Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello Coyle306, On or about Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 07:54:46GMT -0400 (which was 6:54 AM in the tropics where I live) Coyle306 posted: C> I have good success putting my spam catcher _after_ filters that C> look for stuff I want to keep and read. The problem is, the (dozens of) [EMAIL PROTECTED] are in groups I want to keep messages from, but yet may contain the trigger phrases by which I determine to dump them. C> In other words, pick off the stuff you want to read _first_, route C> it to the appropriate folders, then run what's left through C> the spam filter(s). The filters ARE working for this mail account, as any of the ones with the "trigger phrases" have gone to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] folder. In the OTHER affected account, it is the _EXACT_ repetitive phrases that get caught, not individual words. I found the [EMAIL PROTECTED] uses hundreds of different addresses, most of them bogus, but yet all 'subscribed' to the list somehow. The other way they get in is by 'spoofing' legitimate list member's addresses. C> If the spam filter is first, this good message would get C>trashed. No legitimate sender would have the EXACT phrases, so this wouldn't happen, but I do check the TRASH folder before deleting messages and compressing the folder. In the affected account, if I see any legitimate messages that get erroneously trapped, I re-filter that folder and they go where they are supposed to be! This is the behavior I can't understand. I just re-filtered the TRASH folder and 75 legitimate messages that HAD been flagged as spam got filtered to the PROPER folders. C> Known filter(s) C> Spam filter(s) C> Unknown filter My arrangement is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters (up to 7 right now, as there is a limit of 25 alternate entries per filter (or so I have been told) and I seem to have confirmed it Known filters Inbox for anything else. This has worked for me as I get a lot of legitimate mail from unknown senders due to my consultancy work, as well as my radio program. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the moment: "In wildness is the preservation of the world." Henry David Thoreau, Walking (1862) /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62r hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello Allie Martin, On or about Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 21:09:28GMT -0500 (which was 9:09 PM in the tropics where I live) Allie Martin posted: AM> For the spam messages, do you have 'continue processing with other AM> filters' enabled? Some did, some didn't, but it doesn't seem to matter. The actions are the same regardless. I've tried it both ways. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the millenium: "A Puritan is someone who is deathly afraid that someone somewhere is having fun." /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62r hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unpredictable filter actions
SS> The [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters ARE before the list filters, as there are specific SS> text phrases such as "Ancient Toaist," "throbbing erections" and SS> "Saundanese Arab Method" (I think you know the specific spam messages SS> I am talking about!) and the text strings are specific and targeted. I have good success putting my spam catcher _after_ filters that look for stuff I want to keep and read. In other words, pick off the stuff you want to read _first_, route it to the appropriate folders, then run what's left through the spam filter(s). This method has the added advantage of avoiding a legitimate message accidentally getting treated as spam. For example, if someone in my address book sends me a message containing the phrase "erection of a new bridge over the Swatara Creek", it gets filtered to my "known" folder, even though "erection" is a word my spam filter, later, will look for. If the spam filter is first, this good message would get trashed. Anything that doesn't get picked off by any filter, including the spam catcher, I route to my "unknown" folder. The "unknown" filter comes last. Known filter(s) Spam filter(s) Unknown filter Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello Spike, M>> Are your spam filter(s) before or after the mailing list filters? M>> It looks like if for some reason you mailing list messages were M>> catched as spam. > > The [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters ARE before the list filters, as there are specific > text phrases such as "Ancient Toaist," "throbbing erections" and > "Saundanese Arab Method" (I think you know the specific spam messages > I am talking about!) and the text strings are specific and targeted. Even if it was only for a test, I would put the list filters before the spam ones. Your own message, the one I am replying to, is an example of a legitimate message that includes "specific text phrases" or words. I have seen this happen in other mailing lists. > Is there some explanation as to why the filters would work correctly > on the SAME messages, only now from the trash folder? Not that I can think of at the moment, but there must be one if it works as you say. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul R. Dedrick, Cet, Csm, A+, [PRD] wrote: PRD> Is there some explanation as to why the filters would work correctly PRD> on the SAME messages, only now from the trash folder? For the spam messages, do you have 'continue processing with other filters' enabled? - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPwt5W1fJ62ArBxfiEQL8dwCgy53deyoaSGEIk+UHtH+/vvgNiN8AoJr3 ZaW9Yjqs8U+2dROkrFpsTkYB =XjHH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello MAU, On or about Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 17:40:18GMT +0200 (which was 10:40 AM in the tropics where I live) MAU posted: M> Are your spam filter(s) before or after the mailing list filters? M> It looks like if for some reason you mailing list messages were M> catched as spam. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters ARE before the list filters, as there are specific text phrases such as "Ancient Toaist," "throbbing erections" and "Saundanese Arab Method" (I think you know the specific spam messages I am talking about!) and the text strings are specific and targeted. There is also a black-list which is the known source addresses of these chronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I don't understand is why when I RE-FILTER the messages, they go where they were _supposed_ to go! Is there some explanation as to why the filters would work correctly on the SAME messages, only now from the trash folder? -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the moment: "Reason for leaving last job: They insisted that all employees get to work by 8:45 am every morning. I couldn't work under those conditions." /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62r hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unpredictable filter actions
Hello Spike, > I am experiencing a strange behavior of my filters in one e-mail > account only. Most or ALL of my mailing list messages are filtered to > TRASH (where my spam messages are sent) instead of their designated > folders specified in filters. Are your spam filter(s) before or after the mailing list filters? It looks like if for some reason you mailing list messages were catched as spam. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unpredictable filter actions
Hello tbudl'ers, I am experiencing a strange behavior of my filters in one e-mail account only. Most or ALL of my mailing list messages are filtered to TRASH (where my spam messages are sent) instead of their designated folders specified in filters. However, if I _RE-filter_ the same messages in the TRASH folder using Folder->Re-filter->Incoming mail The messages all magically go to their proper folders! The spam stays where it should be and all is right in the world again. I haven't edited ANY filters in this account for weeks, yet beginning over the weekend, this behavior started seemingly without any trigger event. This one is driving me crazy, as several of these lists generate 100-150 messages a day each. The re-filtering works flawlessly with the exception of ONE list, which I also can't seem to fathom. Luckily this list is only 2-4 messages a day! Any suggestions?? -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Quote for the second: "Nostalgia isn't what it used to be." /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62r hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
