Re: manpage text width

Hi Ingo, In article <20180329235743.ge59...@athene.usta.de> Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > Can I do anything to fix this? > > Yes. > I've always wondered why groff did that nonsense with man pages. I remember discussing this same issue in groff mailing lists years ago (with E.

Re: manpage text width

> Don't you already need this logic, getenv(3) + isatty(3), to decide if > you use a pager or not? Although I don't understand why getenv(3) is > needed, isn't a TIOCGWINSZ ioctl(2) enough?. Because there is a defacto standard that some SVR2 environment (before the ioctl) be honoured by many

Re: manpage text width

On 3/31/18, Andras Farkas wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Chris Bennett wrote: >> This is very important. Our brains just are not good at working with >> long lines. This is hard-wired. If anyone doesn't believe me, try >> setting your browser window to a narrower width or use reader

Re: manpage text width

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:57:43AM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > I do *NOT* want to add SIGWINCH signal handling to man(1) to abort > less(1), reformat, and respawn less(1) in that case. That kind of > magic would be over the top, and SIGWINCH is an abomination in the > first place. Why on earth

Re: manpage text width

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Chris Bennett wrote: > This is very important. Our brains just are not good at working with > long lines. This is hard-wired. If anyone doesn't believe me, try > setting your browser window to a narrower width or use reader mode.

Re: manpage text width

On 31/03/18(Sat) 03:20, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Paul Irofti wrote on Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:23:54AM +0300: > [...] > > which is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Can it be the default? :) > > I'm neither particularly enthusiastiastic (because it requires > more code, in particular more getenv(3)

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Hi Paul, Paul Irofti wrote on Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:23:54AM +0300: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> * Nowadays, i guess that terminals narrower than 80 columns >>have become seriously rare, so there is not very widespread >>benefit for that case. > Maybe that was true when we still had 4:3

Re: manpage text width

Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:23:12 -0700 Chris Bennett > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:57:43PM +, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > I *could* maybe teach man(1) to honour $COLUMN by default when > > starting up in interactive mode, but i did not do so for the following > >

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:57:43PM +, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > I *could* maybe teach man(1) to honour $COLUMN by default when > starting up in interactive mode, but i did not do so for the following > reasons: > > * Many people are using terminals wider than 80 columns, but >texts get hard

Re: manpage text width

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:57:43AM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > When you want a manpage to exactly fill the available terminal width, > you can use an alias like this: > > $ alias wman='man -Owidth=$COLUMNS'# or > $ alias wman='man -Owidth=$((COLUMNS-2))' > > Of course, if you

Re: manpage text width

Hi Ingo, Thanks for the detailed reply. I was expecting it :) > * Nowadays, i guess that terminals narrower than 80 columns >have become seriously rare, so there is not very widespread >benefit for that case. Maybe that was true when we still had 4:3 screens, but now I always have 2 or

Re: manpage text width

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 01:57:43AM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Theo de Raadt wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 04:17:14PM -0600: > > piroft@ wrote: > > >> Is there any reason why manpage text does not resize nicely > >> with <80 columns xterms? > > I want to avoid excessive magic. >

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Hi Paul, Theo de Raadt wrote on Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 04:17:14PM -0600: > piroft@ wrote: >> Is there any reason why manpage text does not resize nicely >> with <80 columns xterms? I want to avoid excessive magic. By the way, actually, the default width is 78, not 80. By tradition. >> Is it

Re: manpage text width

> Is there any reason why manpage text does not resize nicely with <80 > columns xterms? Is it because of less(1)? Can I do anything to fix this? It is pre-formatted.

manpage text width

Hi, Is there any reason why manpage text does not resize nicely with <80 columns xterms? Is it because of less(1)? Can I do anything to fix this? Thanks, Paul