But you’ve done nothing but calling me names nonstop,
I owe you an apology then, and the developers and users who may have
read my ramblings.
then complaining when people do the same to you. You’re a hypocrite,
but you clearly don’t realize that, because you keep saying that
“you’re cool”
On 2015-06-29 09.52.19 +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote:
That being said, FAQ is *not* an OpenBSD for former Linux users guide,
FAQ 9 is titled Migrating to OpenBSD, four of the five sections have
Linux in the title, and the one section that does not mentions Linux
twice in the first paragraph.
Are you
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 02:19:36PM BST, Mike Burns wrote:
On 2015-06-29 09.52.19 +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote:
That being said, FAQ is *not* an OpenBSD for former Linux users
guide,
FAQ 9 is titled Migrating to OpenBSD, four of the five sections have
Linux in the title, and the one section
Are you proposing that the whole of FAQ 9 should be scrapped?
May it be proposed to you that you further advise Carlos on improving
his suggested patch or scrapping this knitting already.
Whose idea was to stoke the binpatch theme anyway, somebody of
commercial interest?
No such thing is
Lot of angry fuss over words on a web page.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:58:19 -0400
Bryan Steele bry...@openbsd.org wrote:
Carlos' patch may not be appropriate, but you're kind of a
condecending jerk, especially for someone who's apparently
never sent mail to the OpenBSD lists before. Who are you?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 09:21:14AM BST, Carlos Fenollosa wrote:
Thanks Sebastien,
Here’s a new rewrite with your contributions.
If I may, I’d suggest to keep this list item short, as a summary, and maybe
write a longer
section on the FAQ expanding on it with more detail. If you feel
Thanks Sebastien,
Here’s a new rewrite with your contributions.
If I may, I’d suggest to keep this list item short, as a summary, and maybe
write a longer
section on the FAQ expanding on it with more detail. If you feel that’s
appropriate, I can
volunteer to write it too.
Carlos
Index:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 02:41:16AM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
Lack of
resources is about the only good reason there is for not providing
binary updates.
That's not true.
Further, base + packages are updated frequently in snapshots, which is
exactly a binary upgrade path for users
Work on current is something that naturally occurs. It does not mean there
are enough resources to *duplicate that work* and do the same on stable.
Obvious facts make obvious points.
The snapshots for current and the security errata is good enough for
me. It's easy and allows me to run
Lot of angry fuss over words on a web page.
Indeed.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hrCVu25wQ5s
I have no wishes and the discontent with the proposed patch is gone
now.
Hi,
I’m sorry that it came off that way. Did you read the whole article? No that
you should have, but it addresses most of the points that you mention
I understand that OpenBSD owes me nothing (and vice versa) and I was just
trying to help. The decision to merge that information is not mine to
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 07:20:51PM +0200, Carlos Fenollosa wrote:
This patch is regarding the fact that there are no binary updates,
which is a given thing in most Linux distributions, and some tips on
how to keep the system updated.
It may be worthwhile to mention that updates are
I’ve recently discovered OpenBSD after using Linux for more than 15 years.
Long time, no see? And you blogged and achieved your goal of... making
yourself expressed, critically on your own controlled web space.
I wrote
a blog article with my impressions and some other users suggested me to
On 2015-06-29 00.03.09 +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
And you consider this a service to other Linux long time users? Or a
way to try push some notion of yours - criticise and try to lobby for
some other entity's interests.
Do you have a patch that achieves the same goal (that is, the goal he
I understand that OpenBSD owes me nothing (and vice versa) and I was just
trying to help. The decision to merge that information is not mine to do,
however, I honestly thought it could help people looking for a more thorough
comparison between Linux and the BSDs.
Are you by chance being
Hi,
I’ve recently discovered OpenBSD after using Linux for more than 15 years. I
wrote
a blog article with my impressions and some other users suggested me to patch
faq9.html to help other users migrating.
This patch is regarding the fact that there are no binary updates, which is a
given
This patch is regarding the fact that there are no binary updates, which is a
given thing
What you missed : https://stable.mtier.org/
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 19:55:58 +0200
Denis Fondras open...@ledeuns.net wrote:
This patch is regarding the fact that there are no binary updates,
which is a given thing
What you missed : https://stable.mtier.org/
What do you mean? The author mentioned mtier.org both in his original
blog
What do you mean? The author mentioned mtier.org both in his original
blog post and the patch sent to this mailing list.
Author? Exactly whose ground are you defending here, Adam?
If it's going to be merged then it's probably worth to mention that
if... and you're on top of each other
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 01:02:44AM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
Do you have a patch that achieves the same goal (that is, the goal he
stated, not the one you're reading into) that is up to your standards?
One that reversed the submission of the proposed patch, correcting it
and this
Without reading much of the documentation to gain reasonable production
usage, you're trying to mend the OpenBSD site to say it is lacking
something that you thought worth having according to your current
limited to Linux experience.
Never occurred to you it may be intentional?
The
Lack of
resources is about the only good reason there is for not providing
binary updates.
That's not true.
Further, base + packages are updated frequently in snapshots, which is
exactly a binary upgrade path for users without worry.
This works exceedingly well and is well stated in the
Lack of
resources is about the only good reason there is for not providing
binary updates.
That's not true.
It must feel absolutely glorious to bask in your anonymity and make
such a strong claim.
I personally am not going to spend a second working on binary updates
until I know there
Lack of
resources is about the only good reason there is for not providing
binary updates.
That's not true.
It must feel absolutely glorious to bask in your anonymity and make
such a strong claim.
There are no strong claims. The other good reasons are to manage the
updates
Well, not near one, but I volunteer for binary errata patch on current
for i386 and amd64 (the only archs I own for now).
People are going to use binary patches from you?
Who are you? What is your name? That's the first step to establish
trust.
Boy, that's a pretty clever joke!
Well, not near one, but I volunteer for binary errata patch on current
for i386 and amd64 (the only archs I own for now).
People are going to use binary patches from you?
I was hoping to try help with testing at least.
Who are you? What is your name? That's the first step to establish
So the discussion is to probably best put these upgrade details in the
upgrade guide, not in the migration guide in the meantime.
Without delegating resources until deemed necessary and no need to
state explicitly they have no binary upgrades on the migration guide.
I think you've already
I think you've already said enough nasty stuff
Right.
I personally am not going to spend a second working on binary updates
until I know there are 20+ other developers also dedicated to making
it happen, and once it starts happening -- keeps happening forever.
Well, not near one, but I
Hi,
I would just do some comments inline.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 07:20:51PM +0200, Carlos Fenollosa wrote:
Hi,
I’ve recently discovered OpenBSD after using Linux for more than 15 years. I
wrote
a blog article with my impressions and some other users suggested me to patch
faq9.html to
So, for newcomers from other systems the practical approach would be to
follow snapshots to be able to upgrade all (packages on top of base).
Install first (once)
1) download a snapshot set (or only bsd.rd for network install)
2) install latest snapshot base OS
3) install your packages with
Who are you? What is your name? That's the first step to establish
trust.
I would not think in this way Theo. If you need a name and a social status
to trust someone, then you're fucked, because everyone can fake this, and
a name is just a name, symbols of some language together, nothing
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