Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-31 Thread lists
Yeh, cutting edge.. I have system lock/freeze every time with bittorent (aria2 or rtorrent) when net bandwidth 5 mbit/s or more :) This is the point I am getting flak again, please don't pollute the env you're doing it wrong. (ffs+softdep on softraid crypto) Plus a person trying to post

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-30 Thread Karel Gardas
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Christian Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de wrote: On 2015-07-30, Karel Gardas gard...@gmail.com wrote: discussion. So far what I've read is that softdep does have some unreliability issues on somehow limited platforms: either small kernel memory or slow disk

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-30 Thread Kimmo Paasiala
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Karel Gardas gard...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Christian Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de wrote: On 2015-07-30, Karel Gardas gard...@gmail.com wrote: discussion. So far what I've read is that softdep does have some unreliability issues on

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-30 Thread Ted Unangst
Karel Gardas wrote: Yes, Free also adds softdep journaling. on the other hand Net completely abandoned softdep in favour of wapbl, this thing is interesting since it's about ~1k lines. Net also as the only one from *BSD supports ffs snapshoting, this is about another ~2k lines of code. Surely

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
Theo de Raadt wrote: I understand that you guys are having fun with this. If you think this is actually an issue, though, it's probably a good idea to suggest an FAQ change. Generally reliable is a pretty lukewarm review compared to the current FAQ, which doesn't mention any

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-30 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:30:36AM +0200, Karel Gardas wrote: Spent already some time in netbsd/bitrig wapbl code to see what's relevant for Open and how to structure it to small sensible patches to push for review. This will take some energy and time indeed, the problem is that anytime the

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
W.r.t. code or fixes, I'm afraid this is not only about developer work but probably also about simple work analysis and kind of direction discussion. So far what I've read is that softdep does have some unreliability issues on somehow limited platforms: either small kernel memory or slow disk

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-30 Thread Karel Gardas
W.r.t. code or fixes, I'm afraid this is not only about developer work but probably also about simple work analysis and kind of direction discussion. So far what I've read is that softdep does have some unreliability issues on somehow limited platforms: either small kernel memory or slow disk

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-29 Thread Артур Истомин
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 06:19:11AM -0700, Chris Cappuccio wrote: ?? ?? [art.is...@yandex.ru] wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 07:56:07AM +0100, Nicholas Marriott wrote: generally reliable HAHAHAHAHA Why irony? It's more or less true for ALL modern computing system.

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-29 Thread Michael McConville
Артур Истомин wrote: Yeh, cutting edge.. I have system lock/freeze every time with bittorent (aria2 or rtorrent) when net bandwidth 5 mbit/s or more :) (ffs+softdep on softraid crypto) I've been getting I/O errors and other strange problems with softraid crypto, both with and without

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-29 Thread Michael McConville
Артур Истомин wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 06:19:11AM -0700, Chris Cappuccio wrote: ?? ?? [art.is...@yandex.ru] wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 07:56:07AM +0100, Nicholas Marriott wrote: generally reliable HAHAHAHAHA Why irony? It's more or less true for ALL

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-29 Thread Michael McConville
Theo de Raadt wrote: I understand that you guys are having fun with this. If you think this is actually an issue, though, it's probably a good idea to suggest an FAQ change. Generally reliable is a pretty lukewarm review compared to the current FAQ, which doesn't mention any downsides:

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-29 Thread Bob Beck
Ffs + softdep + soft raid crypto: Sounds like you have a case of Bill Murray http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM On 29 Jul 2015 18:33, Michael McConville mmcco...@sccs.swarthmore.edu wrote: Артур Истомин wrote: Yeh, cutting edge.. I have system lock/freeze every time with bittorent

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
I understand that you guys are having fun with this. If you think this is actually an issue, though, it's probably a good idea to suggest an FAQ change. Generally reliable is a pretty lukewarm review compared to the current FAQ, which doesn't mention any downsides:

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-28 Thread Chris Cappuccio
?? ?? [art.is...@yandex.ru] wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 07:56:07AM +0100, Nicholas Marriott wrote: generally reliable HAHAHAHAHA Why irony? It's more or less true for ALL modern computing system. Think of it as a selling point. OpenBSD ffs softdep: On the cutting edge

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-24 Thread Nicholas Marriott
generally reliable HAHAHAHAHA On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:31:59PM -0400, Michael McConville wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 06:49:55PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: There was a great discussion about softdep recently: https://marc.info/?t=14216401691r=1w=2 It needs extra

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-24 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2015/07/23 18:49, Theo de Raadt wrote: There is no way this diff is going in. When softdep is 100% reliable, then we can talk. Even if 100% reliable, by design it tends to cause problems on smaller filesystems as space is not reclaimed for removed files until after some delay.

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-24 Thread Артур Истомин
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 07:56:07AM +0100, Nicholas Marriott wrote: generally reliable HAHAHAHAHA Why irony? It's more or less true for ALL modern computing system.

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-23 Thread Ted Unangst
Michael McConville wrote: There was a great discussion about softdep recently: https://marc.info/?t=14216401691r=1w=2 It needs extra memory, so the FAQ warns against its use on really old architectures. tedu@ described the two main deterrents:

softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-23 Thread Michael McConville
There was a great discussion about softdep recently: https://marc.info/?t=14216401691r=1w=2 It needs extra memory, so the FAQ warns against its use on really old architectures. tedu@ described the two main deterrents: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=142294185000751w=2

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
There is no way this diff is going in. When softdep is 100% reliable, then we can talk. Enabling it prematurely is ridiculous. Considering the defects are clearly described as lockups, disk space corruption -- with such a suggestion I must ask --who's side are you on?? There was a great

Re: softdep by default on AMD64

2015-07-23 Thread Michael McConville
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 06:49:55PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: There was a great discussion about softdep recently: https://marc.info/?t=14216401691r=1w=2 It needs extra memory, so the FAQ warns against its use on really old architectures. tedu@ described the two main