RE: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Jackie Brown
Hi Gordon I couldn't agree with you more. For most people on a budget, they are prohibitive and, as you say, many are moving to Apple or Android devices and just want Braille support via a cheaper option like the Seika Mini. The Hims products, in the main, are nice, but not realistically

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread William Lomas
Where get seika mini please Regards William Sent from my iPhone On 2 Nov 2013, at 09:40, Jackie Brown thebrownspl...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi Gordon I couldn't agree with you more. For most people on a budget, they are prohibitive and, as you say, many are moving to Apple or Android

RE: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Jackie Brown
Hi Dane Picking up on your point about people turning up their noses, I do agree that there are a lot of people with differing disabilities who expect something for virtually nothing, and life is just not like that. Perhaps we will get to hear more about the new way of producing Braille displays

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Dane Trethowan
I'm no expert on Braille displays but I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. Over here people are making a noise about the cost of Daisy Talking Book Players and perhaps they have a point, you're looking at $400.00 to buy one outright, you can rent the player if you like but as

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Josh Gregory
I can agree with that, human where says they are for employment, but if they were, they would be keeping up with the times more than they are now. They're both for education and employment but like I just said this really doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2,

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Gordon Smith
Dane Like I said, it is rich in features, and also in price. Since all you’re doing is effectively agreeing with me, what was your point? I have no issue with the rich feature set and it is true that other competing device manufacturers would do well to look at implementing some of these or

RE: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Jackie Brown
Hi Gordon Thank you very much, that is very kind. No, please do write to me off list, if I can help I will. Kind regards, Jackie Brown Twitter: @thebrownsplace -Original Message- From: techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net [mailto:techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net] On Behalf Of

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Gordon Smith
Hey Jackie Is it possible to buy from RNIB without paper documents in print being sent to your door? I’m really stamping down on this kind of thing here because even as Lynne says, it deprives blind people of their right to privacy. I have nothing to hide, of course. But it’s the principle.

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Josh Gregory
Hey… Was this meant to go off list? Because it came through on list Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hey Jackie Is it possible to buy from RNIB without paper documents in print being sent to your door? I’m really stamping down on

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Gordon Smith
Hello Dane No, I don’t think your last point is valid. In employment, you need note taking, word processing and databases, things like that. Not DropBox unless you happen to be a business person on the move. I don’t for a second dispute the Hims products are extremely attractive if, and

RE: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Jackie Brown
Hi Gordon I have a Direct Debit set up with them so that if I want to buy something, they debit it within I think three weeks of the order. They always send out a Braille/print summary with the due date for collection of money, but I suppose you could ask them to send you this electronically?

Re: DAISY Players; [Was Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released]

2013-11-02 Thread Gordon Smith
This is a totally different issue I think. DAISY players are also available in software, for free, for Windows users anyway. So why the fuss? Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; Providing Help Support To Young People

Re: DAISY Players; [Was Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released]

2013-11-02 Thread Dane Trethowan
Big difference, we're talking about a system that doesn't require any knowledge to get it running, that's the main point, all the user need do with Daisy Pi is plug it in and turn it on, wait a few seconds and the user hears Daisy Pi Is Ready and at that point you read to your hearts content.

Re: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Dane Trethowan
I'm not in a position to argue exactly what employers want and don't want and perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough, what I am saying that - as it appears to me - Hims Inc seem to be more disposed to the idea of integration into a sighted world whereas other company's have a different

RE: Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released

2013-11-02 Thread Stores, Mary A.
I am actually happy that the next release of KeySoft will allow people to start writing in Nemeth Code. I am still not quite clear how it will exactly display to reachers once it's been printed, but you can print assignments in Nemeth code and turn it in to your instructors. That is a definite

RE: DAISY Players; [Was Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released]

2013-11-02 Thread Stores, Mary A.
First you said there isn't any need for knowledge, then you said you have to configure stuff if you want something more, like for different reading environments. It's great, Dane, that you are proud of your technology. But it is also too bad you have to knock other people down for their

Re: DAISY Players; [Was Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released]

2013-11-02 Thread Dane Trethowan
Yep okay what I meant was that there's no user knowledge required to use the system but a little knowledge may be needed to configure the system as with a PC or Mac. to explain I suppose as many of you may not know what a Raspberry Pi is, its a computer, just the circuit board without a case

Re: RNIB's Practices Procedures

2013-11-02 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Jackie I have no problem with them sending out paper invoices although I believe that they should send them only in accessible formats so that you don’t have to either wait for somebody else to read them or mess around scanning them. What I’m saying is that they are an organisation

Re: DAISY Players; [Was Next Generation Braille Notetaker Just Released]

2013-11-02 Thread Gordon Smith
This sounds a bit like driving a hundred mile round trip to go and visit your next door neighbour. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; Providing Help Support To Young People LivingWith Visual Impairment, plus Braille

RE: Re:KeySoft

2013-11-02 Thread Stores, Mary A.
Hi, Gordon From what I understand, UK math Braille is different from Nemeth code, which is the ystem of math Braille the uS has adopted. But yes, it's a system of math braille. Mary -Original Message- From: techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net

Daisy Players, A Footnote

2013-11-02 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi! Some very odd things happened here in the last 30 seconds, I realised that I hadn't replied to all of Gordon's point in his last message on this subject so I went to look in the Sent Items folder, edited the message I'd sent and then it just vanished it seems into thin air, can't find the