Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 7:29 AM Alexey A. wrote: > > In fact, the compression ratio is higher when same_pages is taken into > account: > ``` > orig_data_size uncompressed size of data stored in this disk. > This excludes same-element-filled pages (same_pages) since > *no memory is allocated

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-27 23:50, Chris Murphy wrote: > > DATA/COMPR is the actual compression ratio > DATA/TOTAL is the effective compression ratio, which includes a bit of > overhead and fragmentation of the zram device (the difference between > COMPR and TOTAL) Thanks. > > I suspect zram-fraction=0.75

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 4:10 AM Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 2020-08-27 09:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > [egreshko@localhost ~]$ zramctl > NAME ALGORITHM DISKSIZE DATA COMPR TOTAL STREAMS MOUNTPOINT > /dev/zram0 lzo-rle 1.2G 510.6M 159.7M 167.6M 1 [SWAP] > > Effective compression

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-27 09:38, Chris Murphy wrote: >> [egreshko@localhost ~]$ zramctl >> NAME ALGORITHM DISKSIZE DATA COMPR TOTAL STREAMS MOUNTPOINT >> /dev/zram0 lzo-rle 1.2G 510.6M 159.7M 167.6M 1 [SWAP] > Effective compression ratio is 3:1. Also, that's at the low end of > what I

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 7:38 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > cc: Zbigniew and Alexey for opinions. -- Forwarded message - From: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek Date: Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:44 AM On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 07:38:37PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 6:02 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 2020-08-27 06:28, Chris Murphy wrote: > >>> We are considering bumping the default size for swaponzram. So (b) is > >>> helpful to see if there are any negative side effects long term. I > >>> never saw any, but I am not a sufficient sample

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-27 06:28, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> We are considering bumping the default size for swaponzram. So (b) is >>> helpful to see if there are any negative side effects long term. I >>> never saw any, but I am not a sufficient sample size. >>> >>> Once the installation is finished, you can

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-27 06:28, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:00 PM Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 2020-08-27 01:13, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 7:55 PM Ed Greshko wrote: I performed the above after assigning 1248mb and the install completed fine. >>> (a) create a

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:00 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 2020-08-27 01:13, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 7:55 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > >> I performed the above after assigning 1248mb and the install completed > >> fine. > > (a) create a swap partition in Custom partitioning > >

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-27 01:13, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 7:55 PM Ed Greshko wrote: >> I performed the above after assigning 1248mb and the install completed fine. > (a) create a swap partition in Custom partitioning > (b) create a custom /etc/systemd/zram-generator.conf file that uses >

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 08:39 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 8/25/20 8:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > So the 'official' doc on this, AFAIK, is > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/rawhide/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview/ > > which still cites 1GB as the minimum for "the

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 7:55 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > I performed the above after assigning 1248mb and the install completed fine. (a) create a swap partition in Custom partitioning (b) create a custom /etc/systemd/zram-generator.conf file that uses zram-fraction=1.0, and restart the zram swap

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:15 PM Richard Ryniker wrote: > However, it is unsatisfactory for installation to fail without some > explanation of what may be wrong. Cannot anaconda attempt to verify the > installation environment provides at least the recommended memory > resources to install

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 8/25/20 8:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: So the 'official' doc on this, AFAIK, is https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/rawhide/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview/ which still cites 1GB as the minimum for "the default installation" (which is of course a fairly vague term). 1GB

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:06 AM Ed Greshko wrote: > My suggestion would be that if the install process could detect/know that > it is below the limits > needed it would notify the user and not proceed. That is, not just crash. > Knowing memory requirements in advance for an ever-changing

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-26 02:27, Chris Murphy wrote: > It's getting clobbered by earlyoom. It really doesn't have enough > memory if it's swapping out 892M. If that were on disk, it'd be kindof > a dreadful experience performance wise, but yeah it would eventually > succeed if big enough. I'm not concerned

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:32 AM Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 2020-08-25 13:58, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:30 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > >> With F32 and previous versions I've been able to install Workstation and > >> other spins in a QEMU VM > >> with about 1200MB~1248MB of

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Tue, 2020-08-25 at 13:30 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > With F32 and previous versions I've been able to install Workstation and > other spins in a QEMU VM > with about 1200MB~1248MB of memory.  With F33 the install process crashes > during the "installing software" > phase. > > Is this

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-25 22:35, Kamil Paral wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:33 AM Ed Greshko > wrote: > > Aug 25 02:27:15 localhost-live anaconda[2042]: program: stderr: > Aug 25 02:27:14 localhost-live anaconda[2042]: program: Running... umount >

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-25 22:38, Kamil Paral wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:08 AM Ed Greshko > wrote: > > On reflection, I don't think that previous installs without zram used any > swap. > > > That seems hardly possible, according to your logs. Anything is possible,

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:08 AM Ed Greshko wrote: > On reflection, I don't think that previous installs without zram used any > swap. > That seems hardly possible, according to your logs. Anything is possible, but it is very improbable that previously you'd be able to finish the installation

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:33 AM Ed Greshko wrote: > Aug 25 02:27:15 localhost-live anaconda[2042]: program: stderr: > Aug 25 02:27:14 localhost-live anaconda[2042]: program: Running... umount > /run/install/source > Aug 25 02:27:13 localhost-live earlyoom[1015]: sending SIGTERM to process > 2042

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-25 14:32, Ed Greshko wrote: > So, it would seem, zram based swap is less forgiving than disk based swap. That may have been silly statement.  On reflection, I don't think that previous installs without zram used any swap. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions.

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On 2020-08-25 13:58, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:30 PM Ed Greshko wrote: >> With F32 and previous versions I've been able to install Workstation and >> other spins in a QEMU VM >> with about 1200MB~1248MB of memory. With F33 the install process crashes >> during the

Re: F33 install minimum memory requirements?

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:30 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > With F32 and previous versions I've been able to install Workstation and > other spins in a QEMU VM > with about 1200MB~1248MB of memory. With F33 the install process crashes > during the "installing software" > phase. > > Is this