I have an amazing picture of the whitest most pure flowstoneon top of the
grossiest, nastiest guanothat I had to crawl through that nasty poo to get
the pictureit sort of made getting completely slimed worth it
But I don't think beautiful calcite on top of bat poo proves
All the news about Locklear's passport has reminded me that I saw a
statement in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago, in an article about
the problem with passport delays impacting air and sea travelers to Canada,
Mexico, and the Caribbean, that the date for requiring passports for land
I heard it briefly on the news recently. Check out this State Department webpage:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html
From:"Bill Mixon" billmi...@worldnet.att.netTo:"CaveTex" texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:[Texascavers] passportsDate:Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:32:45
Please join us for the next UT Grotto Meeting:
Wednesday 18 July in Painter Hall rm 2.48
7:45 pm
Vivian Loftin will present slides from her recent chick trip to Lechiguilla
Cave. Highlights include an exciting aid climb and interesting theatrical
performances for Park personnel.
Re: 2nd law of thermodynamics, the Will of Allah:
Life does not contradict the 2nd Law, all biological processes are eddies
along the edge of the great stream of entropy.
As for the age of formations, I have seen highly mineralized streams in
southern Belize and adjacent parts of
OK, I'll play along. Calcium carbonate formations can grow at very rapid
rates. Did I miss something? I thought that this was old news to
cavers. Haven't we all seen examples of calcite deposition over man made
objects in caves? I am amused at the website,
On Jul 17, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Philip L Moss wrote:
In the late 1800's, the first person to receive two Nobel prizes in
science (who is worth looking up as this person is atypical is
another important way, not just because of the receipt of two
Nobels), made a discovery that was later
Thanks, Philip. I think. Most interesting. I would still like to know if
these new formations pictured are basically of the same composition as
those in most Texas caves. If so, gee, we may have been misled about the
period of time that it took for the really large stalagmites to attain
their
Now for those who are still scratching your heads about the source of
approximately 99% of the heat on earth -
if you can't recognize a simple thing like a heat source that provides 99%
of the heat on your planet, perhaps you
might have a little trouble recognizing evolution, which plays just
Quick distinction and then I'll get back to being productive at work:
There is a difference between evolution as a viable mechanism for life
that already exists, and evolution as the origin of life. While this
statement is probably controversial, I don't think evolution in a living
organism
On Jul 17, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Brian Riordan wrote:
Calibration curves that have been developed to take into account
KNOWN radiation fluxuations are based on radiation fluxuations
observed during the past century. If you've done any
extrapolation, you'd know that 60,000 years is fr
Diana
P.S. I've always wanted to date a speleothem, but they never seemed
interested in me. :)
You should just creep up on them in the dark and jump 'em then...
:-)
Stefan
PS. Was getting too serious, I couldn't help it...
--
IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any
--- Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote:
P.S. I've always wanted to date a speleothem, but they never seemed
interested in me. :)
Hmmm... must work on joke involving isotopic secular equilibrium.
- Jack Wood
University of Illinois at Chicago
Earth and
I am waiting for a knowledgeable geologist or someone to tell us that
these formations are not formed by the same minerals or in the same
manner in which cave formations are formed. I'm sure that there must be
an explanation why these formations grew at such a rapid rate.
Fritz with questions.
Or phrased another way, why do we always seem to assume formations must grow
slowly?
Under favorable conditions, is fast growth possible?
Has anyone tried to grow artificial formations under controlled
conditions?
George
On 7/17/07, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
I am
Once again I'm going to have to question the wisdom in mocking religion on
this listserve...
So yes, caves, in the right conditions, can form far more quickly than
sometimes stated as uniform. Just as a private company can build a road 10
times quicker than the state- it varies with
Fritz Holt said:
I'm sure that there must be an explanation why these formations grew at such a
rapid rate.
And George Nincehelser said:
Or phrased another way, why do we always seem to assume formations must grow slowly?
Under favorable conditions, is fast growth possible?
I'm staying out of the religious controversy though I agree with the concept
of not dissing another persons beliefs. I guess some of the ultra religious
could consider what I'm about to say as bearing witness!
I have observed some very fast formation growth in an area where the soil
appears to
Butch,
The "Caves of Houston," otherwise known as the storm sewers, have stalactites, bacon rind, etc. We used to "cave" there in the 70s when we had nothing else to do. Somewhere in my prehistoric slide files I have some pictures.
Louise
From: "Butch Fralia" cave...@charter.netTo: "'Brian
... I'm not sure what a rebuttle is, maybe you meant my rebuttal. In that
case:
Thank you for your constructive criticism, if you want to talk more about
carbon dating we can do that, keeping in mind that the whole point I made
before is that calibration is based on very large assumptions. In
I apologize, that last e-mail wasn't meant for the whole listserve...
*sheepish grin*
On 7/17/07, Brian Riordan riordan.br...@gmail.com wrote:
... I'm not sure what a rebuttle is, maybe you meant my rebuttal. In
that case:
Thank you for your constructive criticism, if you want to talk more
Hi Don,
I know what a speleothem is
A speleothem (from the Greek for "cave deposit") is a secondary mineral deposit formed in caves. It is the formal term for what is also known as a cave formation, or amongst cavers sometimes known as decorations or pretties.
But I don't know what a speleotherm
But I don't know what a speleotherm is. Have I missed something?
Maybe that there is a world out there that spells it differently.
Like colour, aluminium, herb, etc. etc. :-)
Before I came over here i'd never heard of a speleothem, but i accept
that they exist.
Stefan
But I don't know what a speleotherm is. Have I missed something?
A speleotherm is one of the HOT speleothems that Diana wants to date! *LOL*
Ah! Gotcha. Thnx
From: "Allan Cobb" a...@oztotl.comTo: Texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:36:24 -0500MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc2-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft
Howdy All,
On the speleogenesis of the original subject, speleotherms (hot stag
mights, or an editor who cannot use spell check) in the basement, let's
not forget that these are Government buildings. Built by the lowest
bidder. Using the cheapest concrete. Using the cheapest laborers. And
Having worked during the development at Natural Bridge Caverns in 1963 and 1964
and regularly visiting the cave since, I have been amazed at the growth of
calcite in areas where there was none. As might be expected, growth is
proportional to how active water seepage is at any particular area.
This was sent out today regarding Paul Stevens.
Paul and Lee taught me how to survey and took me on my first survey trip into
Organ Cave. It has been a difficult time for both Paul and Lee over the last 5
years. ALS is a horrible diease and robs from both the patient and their loved
ones. I
Hi Nico:
Pity you were not caving when I was beating around Mexico in the 60's and 70's!
I have appreciated your posts.
The rental property is a large house zoned commercial a block off the center
of downtown Ruidoso. That part is rented long-term and pays for the property
and a bit more.
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