Re: [Texascavers] Announcing the Texas Speleology Center

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Excellent! Thank you, thank you. 

Bill Mixon, you’re my hero!

Bill Steele 

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Texas Speleological Survey (TSS) and the Texas Cave Management 
> Association (TCMA) are pleased to announce the new Texas Speleology Center! 
> This facility will serve as the new joint headquarters for both organizations 
> and will eventually be the new home of the TSS library currently located at 
> the Pickle Research campus. The Texas Speleology Center is located near 
> Driftwood, TX (southwest of Austin) and is in the former residence of Bill 
> Mixon. The TCMA and TSS wish to thank Bill for generously working with us to 
> acquire this property, which will serve the entire Texas caving community. 
> 
> The Center is located on 5 quiet wooded acres and contains a main building 
> and a large metal barn. The main building contains a library, meeting room, 
> office space, and a cooking area. It also has a full size basement with its 
> own lower entrance and the main level has a large deck. The barn is suitable 
> for storing trailers and equipment or holding talks and events. The Center 
> currently holds the AMCS library, which we anticipate will continue.
> 
> The TCMA and TSS wish to thank the many people who helped this purchase come 
> to fruition and we look forward to inviting the Texas caving community to 
> join us at the Center in the upcoming year for many projects and events!
> 
> Joe Mitchell
> President, Texas Speleological Survey
> 
> Gregg Williams
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Re: [Texascavers] where is Dpn Broussard?

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I called Don and told him Mixon is looking for him. 

Bill Steele 

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 3:11 PM, ernie--- via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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> Bill,
>  
>Don has gone out of town, will be back in a couple or three days.
>  
> --Garz
>  
> - Original Message -
> Subject: [Texascavers] where is Dpn Broussard?
> From: "Mixon Bill via Texascavers" 
> Date: 12/21/17 2:28 pm
> To: "Don Broussard" , "Broussard Don" 
> , "Cavers Texas" 
> Cc: "Mixon Bill" 
> 
> Don -- Where are you ? -- Bill Mixon
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Let me know again between Dec. 17-21, please. I’m in Chile, South America.

Bill Steele 

> On Dec 8, 2017, at 9:08 AM, MJ Gibbs via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> I am planning on attending. I will be camping.  If anyone needs to carpool 
> from SA holler I will gave room for 1.
> 
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2017, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> I’m out of the country and would like to hear from people planning to come 
>> between Dec. 17-20. There is some additional information you will need. 
>> Remember that a wetsuit is a must.
>> 
>> Bill Steele 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Dessie Pierce via Texascavers 
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>>> 
>>> Do we need to RSVP or can we just show up? I really want to go!
>>> 
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>>>> On 2017-11-13 2:36 pm, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Texas cavers:
>>>> 
>>>> DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring 
>>>> Creek Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to 
>>>> finishing. 
>>>> 
>>>> Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to 
>>>> join us. We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at 
>>>> 9:00 a.m. that Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be 
>>>> rented from a dive shop. 
>>>> 
>>>> The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route, 
>>>> but swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls. 
>>>> A map will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall 
>>>> waterfall, a scenic destination. 
>>>> Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally 
>>>> waterproof container. 
>>>> 
>>>> Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring 
>>>> campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.
>>>> 
>>>> Questions? Ask. 
>>>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I’m out of the country and would like to hear from people planning to come 
between Dec. 17-20. There is some additional information you will need. 
Remember that a wetsuit is a must.

Bill Steele 

> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Dessie Pierce via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Do we need to RSVP or can we just show up? I really want to go!
> 
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> Licensed Professional Counselor 
> Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor
> Certified Clinical Trauma Professional
> Wellness Counseling Center of Texas
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> or return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system.
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> 
>> On 2017-11-13 2:36 pm, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:
>> 
>> Texas cavers:
>> 
>> DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring 
>> Creek Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to 
>> finishing. 
>> 
>> Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to join 
>> us. We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at 9:00 
>> a.m. that Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be rented from 
>> a dive shop. 
>> 
>> The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route, 
>> but swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls. A 
>> map will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall 
>> waterfall, a scenic destination. 
>> Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally 
>> waterproof container. 
>> 
>> Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring 
>> campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.
>> 
>> Questions? Ask. 
>> 
>> Bill Steele 
>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Come camp with us. Take caver people photos.

Bill 

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 3:04 PM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill
> 
> Thanks for inviting me, but with my current heart condition i am unable to 
> go. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
> 
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Texas cavers:
> 
> DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring Creek 
> Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to finishing. 
> 
> Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to join 
> us. We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at 9:00 a.m. 
> that Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be rented from a 
> dive shop. 
> 
> The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route, 
> but swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls. A 
> map will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall 
> waterfall, a scenic destination. 
> Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally 
> waterproof container. 
> 
> Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring 
> campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.
> 
> Questions? Ask. 
> 
> Bill Steele 
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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[Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Texas cavers:

DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring Creek 
Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to finishing. 

Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to join us. 
We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at 9:00 a.m. that 
Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be rented from a dive shop. 

The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route, but 
swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls. A map 
will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall waterfall, a 
scenic destination. 
Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally 
waterproof container. 

Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring 
campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.

Questions? Ask. 

Bill Steele 
cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Thanks for writing.

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> This has not happened to my knowledge but has been discussed as an 
> alternative for at least one cave recently.
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> Has TCMA ever leased a cave? 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's a great idea Bill. The TCMA has committed itself to building a 
>>> strong organizational foundation so it can, in the future, partner with 
>>> organizations to purchase large tracts with caves. Midnight cave is located 
>>> on a very large ranch and big purchases like that are not within the scope 
>>> of the TCMA at this time.
>>> 
>>> Currently the TCMA is actively engaged in the purchase of property with the 
>>> TSS to house the yet unnamed Texas caving headquarters. While there isn't a 
>>> cave on the property and it is a little less exciting the purchase will 
>>> give a permanent home to Texas caving and it's assets and archives. This 
>>> will also mean that the TSS's archives will be more easily accessed by 
>>> cavers so they can find that new big project or get  their new discoveries 
>>> recorded for posterity. 
>>> 
>>>  Also, as far as I know there is no reason to believe the ranch Midnight is 
>>> on is for sale at this time. 
>>> 
>>> Gregg
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>> How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C <scotts.la...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting 
>>>>> :) Thanks for sharing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Cogburn 
>>>>> GHG
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gregg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>>>>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Great story
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>>>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
>>>>>>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many 
>>>>>>> stories in the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 
>>>>>>> Years of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
>>>>>>> It is better than my synopsis below. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LowGun
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and 
>>>>>>> Nick Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two 
>>>>>>> members of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave 
>>>>>>> where they had pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant 
>>>>>>> unexplored section of the cave.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, 
>>>>>>> and pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and 
>>>>>>> met up with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving 
>>>>>>> at the bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators 
>>>>>>> feigned dismay and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm 
>>>

Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Has TCMA ever leased a cave? 

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> That's a great idea Bill. The TCMA has committed itself to building a strong 
> organizational foundation so it can, in the future, partner with 
> organizations to purchase large tracts with caves. Midnight cave is located 
> on a very large ranch and big purchases like that are not within the scope of 
> the TCMA at this time.
> 
> Currently the TCMA is actively engaged in the purchase of property with the 
> TSS to house the yet unnamed Texas caving headquarters. While there isn't a 
> cave on the property and it is a little less exciting the purchase will give 
> a permanent home to Texas caving and it's assets and archives. This will also 
> mean that the TSS's archives will be more easily accessed by cavers so they 
> can find that new big project or get  their new discoveries recorded for 
> posterity. 
> 
>  Also, as far as I know there is no reason to believe the ranch Midnight is 
> on is for sale at this time. 
> 
> Gregg
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C <scotts.la...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting 
>>> :) Thanks for sharing!
>>> 
>>> Scott Cogburn 
>>> GHG
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
>>>> 
>>>> Gregg
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>>> Great story
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>>>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
>>>>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories 
>>>>> in the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 
>>>>> Years of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
>>>>> It is better than my synopsis below. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> LowGun
>>>>> 
>>>>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick 
>>>>> Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two 
>>>>> members of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave 
>>>>> where they had pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant 
>>>>> unexplored section of the cave.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, 
>>>>> and pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met 
>>>>> up with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at 
>>>>> the bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned 
>>>>> dismay and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of 
>>>>> Jan and Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with 
>>>>> sunlight coming through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting :) 
> Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Scott Cogburn 
> GHG
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
>> 
>> Gregg
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Great story
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
>>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in 
>>> the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>>> 
>>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 Years 
>>> of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
>>> It is better than my synopsis below. 
>>> 
>>> LowGun
>>> 
>>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick 
>>> Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members 
>>> of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they had 
>>> pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored section 
>>> of the cave.
>>> 
>>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, and 
>>> pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met up 
>>> with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the 
>>> bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay 
>>> and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and 
>>> Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight 
>>> coming through the new entrance.
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[Texascavers] Write-in candidate for TSA treasurer

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

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Hello fellow Texas cavers,

Our DFW Grotto chairperson, Jules Rincon, somehow didn’t get on the TSA 
election ballot. She’s running for treasurer. Please consider writing her name 
in as your vote for her. 

Jules is super gung-ho. She has done a superb job of breathing fresh air into 
our grotto. She got limitless energy and good ideas. As treasurer she’s sure to 
keep the accounts accurate and transparent. I’d like to see her run for TSA 
chair some day.

Have a good one,

Bill Steele 
Irving, Texas
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Re: [Texascavers] Spring 2018 BOG meeting

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

We held one in Irving, Texas fairly recently. Come on, Logan! 

Bill Steele 

> On Oct 16, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Logan,
>  
> Well, I’m open to that but we’ve already held the BOG in San Antonio twice in 
> the last six years and the BOG parties at my house (they all stayed off the 
> roof). In addition, San Antonio is already the center of the caving universe. 
> I figured we should give the Austin folks a chance since Houston has also 
> recently hosted the BOG. Now Austin may  be of the opinion that the famous 
> Buda BOG meeting can’t be topped so why try (wish I had been there). But, the 
> BOG meeting does require some organizational and planning skills – do you 
> think Austin is up for that (Ok, I’ve thrown down the challenge LOL). Let’s 
> see if the UT Grotto rises to the bait.
>  
> Geary
>  
> From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com] 
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 8:34 AM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com; Geary Schindel 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Spring 2018 BOG meeting
>  
> You're the President. It should be at your house.:-P
> 
> On 10/16/2017 8:11 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers wrote:
> Folks,
>  
> Do any of the Texas Grottos want to host the Spring 2018 NSS Board of 
> Governors meeting. It’s pretty easy to do. For more information, contact Jean 
> Devries at the email above.
>  
> Geary Schindel
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

YES! You’re our champion, Don! Thank you very much. 

How’d the Shiner beer work out? 

From the Pacific Ocean offshore of Guatemala.

Bill Steele 
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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 7:02 PM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Don for all your hard work
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
> 
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
> done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!
> 
> Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!
> 
> The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date 
> set yet.
> 
> THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!
> 
> I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last 
> TCR as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and 
> an adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good 
> shape with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.
> 
> The music was very very good! 
> The food was very very good! Great job!!
> We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
> We had David Locklear!
> The NSS represented!
> The Texas Contingent represented!
> The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
> There was a REBELAY course!
> We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
> There was a SLIDESHOW!
> There were POWERWAGONS in service!
> There was a HUGE board game.
> There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
> We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
> There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
> People smiled!
> What more can you ask for?
> I’m happy!
> 
> Thank you
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Re: [Texascavers] The 'underground astronaut' in search of ancient bones - New chapter of an old story

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Dr. Lee Berger is a friend of mine.

Bill Steele
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> On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:11 PM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers 
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> 
> Elen Feuerriegel risked her life to recover bones hidden in a cave below the 
> rolling hills of South Africa. What she found helped open a new chapter in 
> the story of human evolution.
>  
> Four years ago, Dr Elen Feuerriegel was trawling the internet when she saw an 
> ad.
> The ad was unusual — it asked for three or four people for a short-term 
> project, but they had to be skinny, preferably small and could not be 
> claustrophobic.
> They also needed to be fit, have some caving experience, a good attitude and 
> be a team player.
> And they had to be willing to work in cramped quarters.
> Elen was intrigued.
> The ad described her to a tee.
> "I sat on it for an hour or two, thinking 'well if I fit the bill I should 
> really apply' but I didn't think I'd have a chance in heck that I'd even be 
> considered," she says.
> "And then I thought 'I would be a fool if I let this opportunity go by 
> without trying.' It cost me nothing, so why not?"
> So the 24-year-old Australian PhD student sent her resume — and her 
> measurements — to a man she'd never met in South Africa.
>  
>  
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-08-26/elen-feuerriegel-the-underground-astronaut/8825148?utm_source=sfmc_medium=email_campaign=abc_science_newsletter%3a125_id=f9e042d83d4ce8cddb605dd0ee1b4d8c56d0b9eb1556ba79ca7b029519da3225=email_id=Email%7cabc_science_newsletter%7c125_content=story_2_title
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> Jon
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Re: [Texascavers] new deep cave

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Yeah, something must not translate well. 

How's it going?

Bill 

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I bite my elbow.
> 
> (Not an easy task)
> 
> Josh
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> > Russians just took another cave over 2,000m depth:   below is the notice I 
>> > received this
>> > morning (after translation).
>> >
>> > Stone [copied by Mixon]
>> >
>> > =
>> >
>> >
>> > "The cave named after Verevkin is 2151 m deep!
>> > In the period from July 30 to August 14 (the deadline for underground 
>> > work), another expedition of the speleoclub Perovo took place in the cave 
>> > named after Verevkin. As a result of the expedition, the depth of the cave 
>> > increased to 2151 m. Thus, the cave became the second super deep (over 
>> > 2000 m) in the world. "
>> >
>> >
>> > Congratulations to the speleoclub Perovo! Krosavchegi!)) After years of 
>> > hard work they did it! Foreign speleologists bite their elbows - already 
>> > the 4 deepest caves in the world are on the territory of Abkhazia, and 
>> > only Russians and Ukrainians have set records in recent years. Hooray!)
>> > P.S. To the world record (-2196 m) is very little. And if you consider 
>> > that now the second group of Perovians is starting to work in Verevkin, 
>> > there are chances to do it in the coming days! To understand what hellish 
>> > work it was achieved - here are the cool films made by speleologists about 
>> > the cave of Verevkin in the expeditions of 2004 and February 2017:
>> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1_mEZ299Y
>> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgY536DxCo
>> >
>> >
>> > "... The lower point is currently in the system of subhorizontal spacious 
>> > courses in the zone from -2100 m to-2150 m, this is a mirror of one of the 
>> > siphons .The absolute elevation is 129 m above sea level .According to the 
>> > main watercourse, it is possible to reach unflooded areas deeper than this 
>> > For this expedition, there was a shortage of working time, stopped at 
>> > -2129 m before the next ledge (8 m).
>> > To the previously known three siphons in the cave was added 4 more. One of 
>> > them is located on the main watercourse (-1963 m), its bypass was found. 
>> > Three more - in the subhorizontal system below -2100 m: mirrors at 2115 m, 
>> > 2140 m and 2151 m. All of them are spacious, the dimensions of the course 
>> > are more than 4 m, standing water.
>> > In addition, during the expedition the telephone communication was 
>> > organized from -600 m to -1350 m, work was carried out on the passage of 
>> > the upper entrances to Vimevkin. In addition to the existing ones, PBL 
>> > 1900 was installed ... "Nowadays there has begun to work Perovo-speleo, 
>> > maybe they will dive.
>> 
>> God created the word in six days.
>> On the seventh day, while God rested,
>> the Devil created religion.
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Kegs]&[Freetail Brewing]

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Yes, I'll line up a Shiner beer donation for TCR again once I'm back in Texas 
in mid-Sept. I need to know who is picking up and returning the kegs before I 
ask for the donation.

Bill Steele
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> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone volunteering to get Kegs from Shiner, if the Man of Steele, works his 
> magic again?
> 
> Also
> 
> Anyone have a contact over at Freetail Brewing?
> 
> --Don
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] A question about the rights of cavers

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Start with this case:

https://www.quimbee.com/cases/marengo-cave-co-v-ross

Bill Steele 

> On Jul 22, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have probably all been in this situation: A landowner invites you explore 
> a cave on his land. You do a few trips with your caving buds. You survey the 
> cave. After surveying it becomes obvious that the cave crosses under the 
> property line of the neighboring landowner. Are you trespassing if you 
> continue to visit the cave and pass under the neighboring property? Were you 
> trespassing before you were aware that the cave crossed the property line? Is 
> it only trespassing when the neighbor becomes aware of the cave and asks you 
> not to traverse his part of the cave anymore?
>  
> A related question: Does the survey data you collected of the neighbor’s 
> portion of the cave and do the pictures you took of that area belong to you, 
> or would the neighboring landowner have standing to sue in court for the 
> rights to that data?
>  
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Re: [Texascavers] National Park Pass fee to increase

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Yes, the narrows was crowed with people at its opening. I went farther and 
farther until there was just a trickle of people. I decided to go until there 
wasn't anyone else. Eventually it got real narrow and one young couple came the 
other way. I asked them if anyone was ahead. They said no, no one else is up 
there. I went a couple more bends and turned around. For training's sake for 
caving, I blasted out as fast as I could.

Bill Steele 

> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:43 AM, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
> 
> Some parks are $15 for a vehicle, Rocky Mountain National Park comes to mind, 
> and I think Lake Powell was the same.  Taking 3 others into Carlsbad Caverns 
> saves you quite a bit as well.
> 
> Zion is a great park, Bill, did you go up the narrows?
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> I got one in Zion National Park last year. It cost me $10 for a lifetime 
>> pass. It includes everyone in the vehicle with me. I told the NPS guy it was 
>> the best deal in the country and an incentive to live a long time.
>> 
>> Bill Steele
>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>> 
>> > On Jul 19, 2017, at 1:37 AM, David via Texascavers 
>> > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am sure you all have heard that if you qualify for a Senior Pass with 
>> > NPS, and
>> > do not have one that you should order one ASAP as the fee will increase in 
>> > six weeks.
>> >
>> > I do not have the link in front of me.
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Re: [Texascavers] National Park Pass fee to increase

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I got one in Zion National Park last year. It cost me $10 for a lifetime pass. 
It includes everyone in the vehicle with me. I told the NPS guy it was the best 
deal in the country and an incentive to live a long time.

Bill Steele 
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> On Jul 19, 2017, at 1:37 AM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am sure you all have heard that if you qualify for a Senior Pass with NPS, 
> and
> do not have one that you should order one ASAP as the fee will increase in 
> six weeks.
> 
> I do not have the link in front of me.
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Re: [Texascavers] Underground chamber world’s fourth largest - La Muñeca Fea in Puebla, Mexico :

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

http://www.mexicancaves.org/pubs.html

> On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:43 AM, JAMES JASEK via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> How do I place an order for #40
> 
> Jim
>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is an article on scanning that room in the new AMCS Activities 
>> Newsletter 40, and there will be another one in number 41 next year 
>> (advertisement). 396 meters long, 242 m wide, and 225 m high. Volume 5.9 
>> million cubic meters. -- Mixon
>> 
>> Nature is a hanging judge.
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] caving historical date trivia

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Robot

> On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> From memory--haven't gone back to check source--probably one of Casteret's 
> books.
> 
> Here's a _real_ trivia question: Lascaux, the most famous paleolithic art 
> cave, was supposedly discovered when a dog was chasing something that ran 
> into the small natural entrance. What was the _name of the dog_? -- Mixon
> 
> Nature is a hanging judge.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] mountain-climbing related

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In the article at this link:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39989992

It says this:

"Mountaineers said the Hillary Step may have fallen victim to Nepal's 
devastating 2015 earthquake."

Forty years ago, in 1977, there were three expeditions to Huautla caves (they 
were given the name Sistema Huautla in 1980). Between the second and third 
expeditions in 1977 there was a major earthquake in the area. There was still 
building rubble on the streets in towns. We watched closely for anything 
changed in the cave we were working, La Grieta. We only saw fresh rockfall on 
the floor in one place, a dome 500 m deep in the cave that had a breakdown 
ceiling.

Last month cavers were in that part of Sistema Huautla for the first time since 
1977. There are plans for the dome with the unstable ceiling to be climbed next 
year.

Cavingly,

Bill Steele
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> On May 21, 2017, at 12:53 PM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the news today, a mountain-climber is reporting that an earthquake
> has removed the Hillary Step from Mount Everest. A photo he posted shows
> about a 20 foot piece of rock missing, and the area covered in snow, making 
> it just a
> hop over some very slippery boulders.
> 
> I guess one could assume that the piece of rock tumbled down the mountain.
> 
> I do not see any reports of when the climbers think that that might have 
> happened.
> 
> Has anyone ever noticed a major cave feature destroyed by an earthquake ?
> 
> Here is Houston, we had a major natural landmark destroyed by Hurricane Ike.
> It was a big cypress tree in the middle of White Oak Bayou visible while 
> driving west
> on Interstate 10 just north of downtown.
> 
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Cypress_Tree%2C_White_Oak_Bayou%2C_Houston%2C_Texas_1002101548_%285066288746%29.jpg
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[Texascavers] If you know Bob Liebman

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I'm going to send him a letter tomorrow.

Bill Steele

Bob Liebman Update 

If you are a relatively new caver and don't remember Bob & Bob there's no need 
to read further.

As I'm sure you know, Bob Liebman is one of the Bobs in Bob & Bob. His cave 
gear sales operation was a fixture at many caving events from around 1973 until 
the early 2000s.

Bob is currently being treated for cancer and is in a rehab center near 
Lewisburg, West Virginia. I was in the area this weekend stopped in to visit 
him. He is really really weak, but he's alert and (as always) very
talkative. He seemed to be in fairly good spirits, but lamented that Bob & Bob 
is now just a memory.

Several times during my visit he mentioned that he has received letters from 
cavers thanking him for the personal service and advice he gave them as they 
were getting started rather than just selling them stuff
and then ignoring them.

If Bob Liebman was instrumental in getting you properly equipped for caving 
please take a minute and write him a short note thanking him for the advise he 
gave you along with whatever you purchased. I think he will appreciate hearing 
from his over 40 years of customers.

Bob doesn't do e-mail so please write to him at the following address:

Bob Liebman
PO Box 441
Lewisburg, WV 24901

Please pass this message on to any other cave-related e-mail lists.

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[Texascavers] Dirt bikes (off-road motorcycles)

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Who out there is well versed on the subject of dirt bikes (off-road 
motorcycles)? E-mail me off line, please.

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Bill Stone has problems with feral hogs and I think he said he's got a live 
trap. Catch one, fatten it up, and Vico knows what to do next. 

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've donated meat. Two steers. I don't see anything wrong with a hog turning 
> on a spit. Surely we know hunters.
> 
> 
> --Don
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 6:25 PM, David via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and 
>> fire-roasted vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some 
>> food cooked over wood, or at least charcoal.
>> 
>> I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
>> centerpiece of the table ?   
>> 
>> I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some 
>> leftover scraps.
>> 
>> I can only pray that I will be single by then.
>> 
>> David Locklear
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Movie by the Pond, at Pete Strickland's

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I saw the original play Hair in Chicago in 1969. Met TAG caving (he named TAG) 
legend Richard Schreiber there. He was stationed in Minot, ND with the Air 
Force. 

I love this movie. Treat Williams as Berger (very Austin-like), John Savage as 
Claude, and Beverly D'Angelo as Sheila. I thought it's better than the play. 
And the music is SO good. "You ask me why, why I'm a hairy guy." 

Bill Steele 
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PS - flying to Athens, Greece tomorrow. 

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:55 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw the play 3 times while still in the army-West Greenwich Village, Sydney 
> and SF. But, sorry cannot make it for the movie, as we have a state speleo 
> survey meeting this Sunday in Lexington. This KY group, KSS, is making broad 
> advances trying to catch up with the TSS. 
> 
> Preston at Outer Browder home of the short-eared owls as this evening we 
> reported the first one observed this fall in KY.  
> 
> 
> On Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:29 PM, via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   We will be having a "Movie by the Pond" at my place Sat. Nov. 12th at 6:00. 
> We will be showing the 1979 film "Hair" based on the Broadway play. For info 
> call Pete at 512 897 9235.
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR cooks wrap-up (sort of...)

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Amen to that, Allan!

Thank you, Stefan. You're leaving BIG Wellies to fill.

Bill Steele
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> On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Allan Cobb via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Stefan,
> 
> I want to publicly thank you for your decade of cooking. You took lots of 
> stress out of TCR while I was running. When you first came to me and said you 
> wanted to take over cooking, I was skeptical. You proved me wrong and have 
> done a great job over the years. All I can say is 
> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On 10/19/2016 12:31 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers wrote:
>> The coolers are washed and put away, the recycling sorted (thanks all for 
>> only 0.5% trash in there!) and put out, bills paid… Only the washing up and 
>> re-pack of the trailer to go…
>>  
>> Would like to thank the Aggies for another *outstanding* contribution – 
>> helping cook, serve, wash up after (!!), dismantle tent and re-pack of 
>> trailer. We could not do the weekend without their help, and it is *very* 
>> much appreciated.
>>  
>> The following people were largely responsible for getting all y’all fed  -  
>> Cammy and Vico Jones, Sean Vincent, Laura, Jocie Hooper, Eric Flint, Rob 
>> Upchurch, and a host of choppers (too many to list), stirrers and last 
>> minute shoppers (Ken Demarest)! I want to thank them for all their hard 
>> work, and putting up with me being a miserable  all Saturday! Oh, and 
>> Sam Marshall for hauling the new trailer to and from TCR.
>>  
>>  
>> I have been chief cook and bottle washer for 10 TCRs now and the time has 
>> come for me to hang up my spoon and apron, and pass the trailer keys to a 
>> new, more enthusiastic, volunteer. It has been an interesting ride, but I 
>> need to enjoy Paradise Canyon from the other side of the pot sometime.
>>  
>> If you have the desire to take this on – lead a team of enthusiastic 
>> volunteers of your making, cooking food for your greater circle of friends, 
>> then please get in touch asap and we’ll pass on some wisdom before our old 
>> brains erase it.
>>  
>> So long, and thanks for all the chillies.
>>  
>> -Stefan
>>  
>> Stefan Creaser
>> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
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>> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
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Re: [Texascavers] Authors of scientific articles

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

You're so cute.

> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oddly enough, this afternoon I received a form that I need to fill out in 
> order to have a paper reviewed in eLife, an Open Access journal.
> 
> The form is entitled, "eLife’s transparent reporting form.”
> 
> It consists of detailed questions about how the data was collected, analyzed 
> and any statistical analysis performed on the data.
> 
> This is information that is required from the authors, not from the people 
> cited in the acknowledgements.
> 
> I refer interested parties to the following web site:
> 
> https://elifesciences.org/elife-news/elife-method-and-methodology-data-collection
> 
> I love y’all as cavers, but please, if you’re going to pass judgement on 
> scientific publishing, try to think about how scientific publishing is done 
> nowadays, and realize that for different fields, there are different methods 
> of data collection. Not to mention the rapidly changing field of open versus 
> closed access publication—this stuff is changing almost under our feet.
> 
> Diana
> 
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>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:57 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
>> 
>> As a scientist, I generally agree with the need for multiple "authors",
>> including people who had nothing to do with actually writing an article.
>> However it does seem to have gotten a bit out of control and now people
>> are listed as authors who should more correctly be listed in the
>> Acknowledgments.
>> As cavers, we do not follow this trend. Caving articles, even about
>> whole expeditions, are usually authored by no more than three people,
>> and usually just one or two. Typically every member of the expedition
>> was important, and they should be mentioned by name in the text, but I
>> don't think they should be listed as authors.
>> 
>> Geary,
>> Long lists of authors have been a hallmark of physics papers for
>> decades. I have a paper from 1989 (Physical Review Letters) with 188
>> authors. The list took up the entire first page of the article. And that
>> was long before the CERN Large Hadron Collider came into being. As huge
>> collaborations in physics and astronomy become more common, long author
>> lists are, sadly, likely to become ever more common.
>> 
>> Mark Minton
>> mmin...@caver.net
>> 
>>> On Wed, August 31, 2016 1:46 pm, via Texascavers wrote:
>>> That said, it is often the case that the relative value of an article is
>>> inversely proportional to the number of authors cited. Given the current
>>> frenzy to publish and be recognized for Pd work, it would not be
>>> surprising if the number of authors exceeded the length of the article.
>>> 
>>> Jerry Atkinson.
>>> 
 On Wed, August 31, 2016 1:27 pm, Geary Schindel via Texascavers wrote:
 Diana,
 
 Very well said, I was thinking of replying also but you hit the nail on
 the head. Most research these days are a collaboration between many
 scientists and laboratories. I think the best example I've seen is some
 of the Super Collider work that might have 150 authors for a paper.
 
 Geary Schindel
 gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Texascavers On Behalf Of Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
 Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:16 PM
 To: Cave Tex
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] White-Nose Syndrome in PNW scientific article
 
 Let me clarify what constitutes authorship on a scientific article.
 
 It does not necessarily mean that a person wrote one of the paragraphs.
 In fact, in the future we may have artificial intelligence to thank for
 writing much of the routine text in our articles and technical manuals.
 
 It DOES mean that an author is a person that is responsible for one or
 more of the following:
 
 Coming up with the original idea (i.e., the hypothesis) for the
 experiment Collecting data Analyzing data Presenting data (in graphical,
 written or other forms such as videos, etc.) Supervising the people that
 collect, analyze and present the data Drawing important conclusions from
 the data and testing new hypotheses that result from this all-important
 step Writing the text of the final document
 
 You want and NEED all of these people to be listed as authors-as they
 are the ones that are legitimately responsible for the final published
 work. If there are any questions about what is presented in the work,
 everyone knows who is responsible.
 
 We call this transparency, which unfortunately is lacking in other
 important human 

Re: [Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

These'll keep you busy until I can get Fernando's video onto the Internet and 
send you a link.

PESH 2016 Pre-expedition video 

https://vimeo.com/159258215

PESH 2016 Post-expedition video Part 1

https://vimeo.com/168219582

PESH 2016 Post-expedition video Part 2
 
https://vimeo.com/170531116

PESH 2016 Post-expedition video Part 3

https://vimeo.com/171951021

Enjoy,

Bill 

> On Aug 5, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Since I have no smart phone it doesn't work.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> This is the correct link to Fernando’s talk at the UT Grotto meeting last 
>> night.
>> 
>> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1RDGlkdqqaOKL
>> 
>> I am working on recording it to my computer via QuickTime, will let you know 
>> if that works.
>> 
>> Diana
>> 
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>> Professor
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>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>> Rm. ND10.214A
>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Nuevo Laredo

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

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> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Mark. I do not know from where Bockbeer draws his information 
> but he continues to amaze with his never ending stories. I did cross at N.L. 
> in the middle of a gun battle but only heard the noise and didn't pay 
> attention to it and turned right on Peru Street and drive to Anahuac and 
> Lampazos with nary a fret. Bockbeer of course has driven that road within the 
> past year I am sure and had hand grenades thrown and his SUV that gets 5 mpg 
> and overheats for lack of a radiator cap. Crap I know know about Bockbeer 
> than my own kids. Does he use red or blue TP?
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>>   We cross at Nuevo laredo on the way to and from Huautla every year,
>> sometimes at Colombia and sometimes at the main crossing in town. It
>> hasn't been a problem, and we never see anything out of the ordinary.
>> However, we make a point of crossing in daylight, and we don't drive at
>> night in general. We take toll roads whenever possible. There are now
>> good roads throughout most of Mexico, and travel is much faster and
>> safer than it used to be on the old, narrow, two-lane highways. Tolls
>> are expensive (about $100 one way to Huautla), but worth it.
>> 
>> Mark Minton
>> mmin...@caver.net
>> 
>> On Thu, August 4, 2016 3:45 am, David via Texascavers wrote:
>> > Do Texas cavers still pass thru the bordertown of Nuevo Laredo on
>> > their way to Bustamante ?
>> >
>> > If so, here is a travel-safety-related story:
>> -
>> > I guess the point to this post is not to travel off the beaten path
>> > there at night.
>> 
>> > I can't remember the last time I crossed at the Columbia Bridge.It
>> > was probably 20 years ago.
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Re: [Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Great! Maybe we can put it on Vimeo. 

> On Aug 4, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is the correct link to Fernando’s talk at the UT Grotto meeting last 
> night.
> 
> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1RDGlkdqqaOKL
> 
> I am working on recording it to my computer via QuickTime, will let you know 
> if that works.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
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> Professor
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> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
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> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the cusp of 
Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and use it 
constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do. 

> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of 
> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no 
> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such. No 
> one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for anyone to 
> call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a clunky 
> computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the ludite.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
>> 
>> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
>> 
>> It goes, 
>> 
>> Bill Steele 
>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Bill Steele <cwilliamste...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>>> Subject: UTG program last night
>>> 
>>> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and 
>>> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was 
>>> easy. 
>>> 
>>> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez 
>>> about this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition. 
>>> This was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican 
>>> citizen, excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made 
>>> for a very interesting talk. 
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available at 
>>> Periscope for a short amount of time. 
>>> 
>>> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the 
>>> PESH 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and 
>>> was a pleasure to be around. 
>>> 
>>> Cavingly,
>>> 
>>> Bill Steele 
>>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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[Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:

https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv

It goes, 

Bill Steele 
cwilliamste...@gmail.com


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Steele 
> Date: August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: UTG program last night
> 
> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and 
> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was easy. 
> 
> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez about 
> this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition. This 
> was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican citizen, 
> excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made for a very 
> interesting talk. 
> 
> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available at 
> Periscope for a short amount of time. 
> 
> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the PESH 
> 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and was a 
> pleasure to be around. 
> 
> Cavingly,
> 
> Bill Steele 
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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[Texascavers] UTG program last night

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and enjoyed 
the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was easy. 

The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez about 
this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition. This was 
Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican citizen, 
excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made for a very 
interesting talk. 

My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available at 
Periscope for a short amount of time. 

One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the PESH 
2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and was a 
pleasure to be around. 

Cavingly,

Bill Steele 
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Re: [Texascavers] I'm back

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Thanks.

> On Jun 30, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
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> Back at home, pneumonia infection cured, but still weak. I'll deal with 
> accumulated e-mails as time permits. -- Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] Old Caving Photo

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Good. Thanks. 

> On Jun 21, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Marley is doing fine. I need to give both doggies a bath. Her toe is stable 
> and maybe getting a little smaller.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
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> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
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> From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] on behalf of Bill 
> Steele via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:59 AM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Old Caving Photo
> 
> Rick Rigg went to Huautla once when I wasn't there, I think in 1981. He was 
> originally from PA but moved to Idaho. He's probably 7 or so years older than 
> me and hasn't done much in many years. I've never been caving with him
> 
> How's Marley doing?
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I find it highly amusing that Norm Pace, the National Academy of Sciences 
>> member and a MacArthur Fellow, was the only one that looked like a science 
>> nerd, albeit a happy one.
>> 
>> Who was Rick Rigg? I’ve never heard anyone talk about him.
>> 
>> Diana
>> 
>> **
>> Diana R. Tomchick
>> Professor
>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>> Rm. ND10.214A
>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2016, at 1:14 AM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for posting, Mark! Although I don¹t remember posing with those boy
>>> scout helmets and Butterfly lamp boxes, I do have many fond memories of
>>> that trip and the Cuetzalan area.
>>> The cavers pictured are:
>>> Top row: left to right‹me (Frank Binney), you (Mark Minton), Lisa Wilk
>>> Bottom row: Norm Pace, Bill Liebman, Rick Rigg
>>> ‹Frank
>>> 
>>> Frank Binney
>>> Frank Binney & Associates
>>> Interpretive Planning and Media Development
>>> P.O. Box 258
>>> Woodacre, CA 94973
>>> 415.488.1200 Voice
>>> 415.488.1500 Fax
>>> 415.999.0556 Mobile
>>> fr...@frankbinney.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/20/16, 6:22 PM, "Texacavers on behalf of Mark Minton via Texascavers"
>>> <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com on behalf of
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Attached is a photo showing cavers in the Cuetzalan (Puebla, Mexico)
>>>> field house in 1980, about 35 years ago. Whom do you recognize? Of those
>>>> present, I think only a few are still caving at all, and maybe only one
>>>> actively. The same field house also served a Mexican scout troop and we
>>>> found their stash of caving gear: fiberglass helmets and Butterfly
>>>> carbide lamps. ¡Siempre Listo!
>>>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Old Caving Photo

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Rick Rigg went to Huautla once when I wasn't there, I think in 1981. He was 
originally from PA but moved to Idaho. He's probably 7 or so years older than 
me and hasn't done much in many years. I've never been caving with him

How's Marley doing?

Bill 

> On Jun 21, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I find it highly amusing that Norm Pace, the National Academy of Sciences 
> member and a MacArthur Fellow, was the only one that looked like a science 
> nerd, albeit a happy one.
> 
> Who was Rick Rigg? I’ve never heard anyone talk about him.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2016, at 1:14 AM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for posting, Mark! Although I don¹t remember posing with those boy
>> scout helmets and Butterfly lamp boxes, I do have many fond memories of
>> that trip and the Cuetzalan area.
>> The cavers pictured are:
>> Top row: left to right‹me (Frank Binney), you (Mark Minton), Lisa Wilk
>> Bottom row: Norm Pace, Bill Liebman, Rick Rigg
>> ‹Frank
>> 
>> Frank Binney
>> Frank Binney & Associates
>> Interpretive Planning and Media Development
>> P.O. Box 258
>> Woodacre, CA 94973
>> 415.488.1200 Voice
>> 415.488.1500 Fax
>> 415.999.0556 Mobile
>> fr...@frankbinney.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/20/16, 6:22 PM, "Texacavers on behalf of Mark Minton via Texascavers"
>> > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Attached is a photo showing cavers in the Cuetzalan (Puebla, Mexico)
>>> field house in 1980, about 35 years ago. Whom do you recognize? Of those
>>> present, I think only a few are still caving at all, and maybe only one
>>> actively. The same field house also served a Mexican scout troop and we
>>> found their stash of caving gear: fiberglass helmets and Butterfly
>>> carbide lamps. ¡Siempre Listo!
>>> 
>>> Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] Join the NSS and Team 404

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Thanks. I was just in front of a mirror, practicing my frown. 

Bill 

> On May 10, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Alex Sproul via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this Bill! This needs to be said, many times and loudly. If all 
> the hangers-on joined up, even without joining Team 404, the mortgage issue 
> would essentially be solved. And it would cost 'em less than pizza and beer 
> one Saturday night.
> 
> It's been a pet peeve of mine for many years that these provisions are never 
> enforced. As you are doing, we need to embarrass the slackers into doing 
> their part.
> 
> We also need to embarrass our member slackers into renewing on time, so the 
> staff doesn't spend so much of their time and effort in removing members, 
> only to reinstate them a week later. They still have to wade through 200+ of 
> those every month; that's more than a quarter of our membership.
> 
> We need to stand tall and be proud of our Society,...and "frown at those who 
> are not"!
> 
> Alex
> 
> PS Fantastic job with this  year's PESH expedition!
> 
> 
> 
> On 10 May 2016 at 7:40, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:
> 
> This would be a good opportunity to bring up something that most grottos seem 
> to have a misunderstanding about. Numerous grottos believe that members don't 
> have to be NSS members unless they are in a leadership position in the 
> grotto.  This is incorrect.  This came up at the NSS Board of Governors 
> meeting in Bend, Oregon in March.
> 
> The rules are written so people can be grotto members and not be an NSS 
> member for up to a year. After that, they are expected to join the NSS or 
> stop being a grotto member.  
> 
> Here it is the relevant snippet regarding IOs (Internal Organizations, i.e. 
> grottos, surveys, etc.):
> 
> 5. The membership of IOs shall conform to the following requirements:
> 
> A.  All persons who serve on the governing board of an IO must be a member of 
> the NSS except in the case of Surveys where representatives of state entities 
> or other conservation organizations may serve on the board regardless of 
> their NSS membership status.
> 
> B.  Full membership in IOs shall be open only to embers of the NSS.
> 
> C.  IOs may, at their option, have members who are not members of the NSS and 
> who are limited to a year or less on this status.
> 
> D.  Membership in grottos (or chapters) shall consist of at least five 
> members of the NSS who have designated that grotto as their Primary 
> Affiliation.
> 
> E.   The formal name of a Student Grotto shall indicate that the organization 
> is a Student Grotto (or Chapter), etc.
> 
> Section C is the relevant section. So we should encourage grotto members to 
> become NSS members.
> 
> The NSS needs to raise money now to refinance the mortgage on its new office 
> building in Huntsville, Alabama. Please go on and be committed to caving if 
> you are a caver, and if you are not an NSS member, now's the time to join. 
> 
> And if you are a NSS member, then join Team 404. I am a member of Team 404. 
> If 404 cavers allow $25 a month to be directly withdrawn from their bank 
> account, the mortgage payment is met. All above that pays down the mortgage 
> all the sooner. 
> 
> Tomorrow night I am giving the program at the DFW Grotto meeting. Before I 
> do, I'm going to read the above about being an NSS member and talk about the 
> benefits of membership. I may even paraphrase JFK and  say, "Ask not what the 
> NSS can do for you, ask what you can do for the NSS." You can admit that 
> caving is a main interest of yours, become a member of the NSS, and join Team 
> 404. I'll ask for a show of hands of who is not an NSS member. And I'll frown 
> at those who are not. 
> 
> Cavingly, 
> 
> Bill Steele NSS 8072 (joined at age 16) 
> 
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[Texascavers] Join the NSS and Team 404

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Copied from TagNet this morning:

> This would be a good opportunity to bring up something that most grottos seem 
> to have a misunderstanding about. Numerous grottos believe that members don't 
> have to be NSS members unless they are in a leadership position in the 
> grotto.  This is incorrect.  This came up at the NSS Board of Governors 
> meeting in Bend, Oregon in March.

> The rules are written so people can be grotto members and not be an NSS 
> member for up to a year. After that, they are expected to join the NSS or 
> stop being a grotto member.  

> Here it is the relevant snippet regarding IOs (Internal Organizations, i.e. 
> grottos, surveys, etc.):
> 
> 5. The membership of IOs shall conform to the following requirements:

> A.  All persons who serve on the governing board of an IO must be a member of 
> the NSS except in the case of Surveys where representatives of state entities 
> or other conservation organizations may serve on the board regardless of 
> their NSS membership status.

> B.  Full membership in IOs shall be open only to members of the NSS.

> C.  IOs may, at their option, have members who are not members of the NSS and 
> who are limited to a year or less on this status.

> D.  Membership in grottos (or chapters) shall consist of at least five 
> members of the NSS who have designated that grotto as their Primary 
> Affiliation.

> E.   The formal name of a Student Grotto shall indicate that the organization 
> is a Student Grotto (or Chapter), etc.

> Section C is the relevant section. So we should encourage grotto members to 
> become NSS members.  

The NSS needs to raise money now to refinance the mortgage on its new office 
building in Huntsville, Alabama. Please go on and be committed to caving if you 
are a caver, and if you are not an NSS member, now's the time to join. 

And if you are a NSS member, then join Team 404. I am a member of Team 404. If 
404 cavers allow $25 a month to be directly withdrawn from their bank account, 
the mortgage payment is met. All above that pays down the mortgage all the 
sooner. 

Tomorrow night I am giving the program at the DFW Grotto meeting. Before I do, 
I'm going to read the above about being an NSS member and talk about the 
benefits of membership. I may even paraphrase JFK and  say, "Ask not what the 
NSS can do for you, ask what you can do for the NSS." You can admit that caving 
is a main interest of yours, become a member of the NSS, and join Team 404. 
I'll ask for a show of hands of who is not an NSS member. And I'll frown at 
those who are not. 

Cavingly, 

Bill Steele NSS 8072 (joined at age 16) 


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[Texascavers] Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla 2016 expedition report

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

PESH 2016 Expedition accomplishments

• PESH brochures in Spanish worked well in 
   many ways (thanks to Whole Earth 
   Provision Company!)

• La Grieta Mexiguilla area fully explored, 
   mapped, and photgraphed

• La Grieta Camp 3 used and cave explored 
   north 1.5 km to northernmost point of 
   Sistema Huautla  

• Merican Tubes connected to Refresher in 
   La Grieta

• Hobbit Hole in La Grieta pushed to an end 
   150m in depth

• Six meters of depth added to Sistema 
   Huautla to bring it to 1560m (unofficial)

• 3.5 km in length added to Sistema Huautla 
   to make the length 75.5 km (47 miles)

• Two paleontological caves surveyed and 
   the first complete skull of a Pleistocene 
   sloth  (Megalonyx Jeffersonii) in Mexico 
   recovered by Ivan Alarcon with INAH, a 
   Mexican government agency

• Four UNAM graduate biology students 
  spent a week with on the expedition and 
  made many new insect collections in the caves. 

• Cueva Basura mapped

• Big Wind cave explored and mapped. 
   Three leads remain.  If connected in 2017
   will add around 24 meters in depth to
   Sistema Huautla

• Fourteen presentations given to area 
   school classes about PESH's work, to as 
   many as 800 students

• Precision GPS waypoints recorded for 
  Sistema Huautla entrances

• A digital picture frame with 243 photos 
   installed in San Agustin Zaragoza agencia 
   office 

• 25 school children taken caving

• 20 area school teachers taken caving

• Huautla resident and English teacher Alma 
   Rodriguez was very important to PESH as 
   chief diplomat and school presentation 
   translator

• Alma Rodriguez to form "Friends of 
   Speleologists" group in Huautla 

• Nita Tienzo exploration progressed and 
   looking very good. Has 1,000m+ of depth 
   potential

• Two pits in Plan Carlota valley explored and 
   mapped

• Had a Mazateco curandero ceremony 
   performed to get things right with the cave 
   spirits

• Took 23 strike and dip measurements 
   between San Andreas and Plan Carlota to 
   further map the cave strata

• Another expedition with excellent 
   photography

• Austin caver (formerly from Monterrey, 
  N.L., Mexico) Fernando Hernandez named 
  2016 expedition "Rookie of the Year"
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Re: [Texascavers] Frank Binney's Shiner film

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

And I recall, his award was presented to him by James Earl Jones, the voice of 
Darth Vader. 

Bill Steele 

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> What Frank did not say is that his student film about the Spoetzl Brewery won 
> an annual award. It was the docunentary achievement award for "The Last of 
> the Little Breweries," one of the Student Film Awards for 1977. These are 
> presented by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the Oscars 
> bunch, but aren't really Oscars.
> --Mixon
> 
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> A: Where else could it be?
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] It is done- a Honey Creek update.

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

A major BRAVO! Thank you VERY much! 

Bill Steele
cwilliamste...@gmail.com

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 11:21 AM, A. Wertheim via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "A. Wertheim"  
> Date: 03/07/2016 10:40 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: Victoria Sommers  
> Subject: It is done- a Honey Creek update. 
> 
> Well friends, the Honey Creek road repair project is finished.  The road to 
> the shaft entrance has never been better and will probably never be as good 
> again.  Team “Go Big Or Go Home” brought their best game in a road-working 
> tour-de-force and not only repaired Joyce’s damaged road but made it useable 
> for many years to come.  All the stops were pulled out to make this project a 
> success. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Here’s the rundown:
> 
>  
> 
> Volunteers:
> 
> Tim Ramon-Project Leader
> 
> 8!, count-em, 8! of Tim’s employees volunteered to help on a Saturday.
> 
> Kim Freund-Food and 
> drinks for a lot of hungry, dusty men
> 
> Kurt Menking-Equipment 
> operator, planning, organization, landowner relations
> 
> Arron Wertheim-  That’s me.  I got to 
> run some equipment and swing a chainsaw.
> 
> Victoria Sommers-Photo documentation, 
> lunch
> 
> Robert Bissett-  Equipment 
> operator, fundraising, organization
> 
> Gregg “Breaks Thumbs” Williams  Fundraising
> 
>  
> 
> Equipment:
> 
> (Courtesy of Ramon & Sons Demolition, Inc.)
> 
> Case Backhoe
> 
> Case Compact Track Loader
> 
> Takeuchi Compact Track Loader
> 
> 68000lb Kenilworth roll-off truck with a 20 YARD dump box
> 
> 500 gallon Water Buffalo
> 
> Trucks, Trailers
> 
> Replacement drain pipes
> 
> Replacement gate posts donated for future installation
> 
>  
> 
> (Courtesy of  BCI & Bracken Bat Cave)
> 
> 8000lb Tandem Dump Trailer
> 
>  
> 
> Funding:
> 
> Bexar Grotto
> 
> TCMA
> 
> TSA
> 
> Mr. Jerry Atkinson
> 
> Mr. Joe Ranzou
> 
> Mr. Greg Passmore
> 
> Greater Houston Grotto
> 
> TCR
> 
>  
> 
> Project Timeline:
> 
> Saturday and Sunday, March 5 & 6 2016 with good weather. 
> 
>  
> 
> Project Plan and Action:
> 
>  
> 
> The original plan was to rent a couple skidsteers and borrow the dump trailer 
> from Bracken to patch the road.  When Tim volunteered to help out and review 
> the project, it quickly became apparent that almost a mile of damaged road 
> would take a lot more time and effort than a couple Bobcats would be able to 
> handle.  The heavy fall rains had made the road damage more pronounced.  
> Beers would be spilled trying to drive it.  Unacceptable.  Several different 
> repair options were discussed and a final few were selected based on the 
> value of this work and on reasonable fundraising expectations.  It’s a ranch 
> road, not paved access; and while it was damaged during a rainy caving trip, 
> it also had not been properly maintained since it was originally built.  
> Ultimately a backhoe, skidsteer, and bumper-pull dump trailer were decided on 
> with expected costs of up to $1400/1500. 
> 
>  
> 
> When Kurt and I showed up Saturday morning there was A LOT more equipment 
> than expected, men in orange vests, traffic cones, a low-boy trailer, and 
> tons of things going on.  Tim had taken a second look at the project scope 
> and confirmed his initial thoughts that to get the work done in one weekend 
> we needed to go big or go home.  He asked one of his crew to help out on a 
> Saturday and that quickly grew to 8 hard-working men in steel-toe workboots, 
> hardhats, and safety vests doing what they do best. 
> 
>  
> 
> Tim’s guys worked till 5:00 on Saturday and moved enough material to re-pack 
> the whole road.  A 20-yard dump truck can load a ridiculous amount of 
> material.  The box is 23ftx8ftx4.5ft.  Caliche weighs 2430.57 lbs/cubic yard. 
> That is 48611 pounds of material per load  (as an engineer I just had to 
> know.)  A Bobcat has a ½ yard bucket.  The dump trailer can load 4 yards.  
> Anyways, watching the driver gently back that loaded roll-on behemoth between 
> oak trees without so much as a nick to the bark or a snapped twig was 
> amazing.  Joyce had been adamant about protecting her oak trees.  Well, 
> without the 20-yard dump truck and experienced equipment operators this would 
> probably have been a 2 or 3 weekend project with additional rental and 
> transport costs.
> 
>  
> 
> Kurt and Rob ran the Bracken dump trailer loaded to the max until its 
> hydraulics whined in tired complaint.  When the dumper decided to take a dump 
> from being overloaded, we grabbed shovels and unloaded it by hand.  Short 
> loads only after that!  When it had to be lifted by the track loader to dump 
> we 

Re: [Texascavers] Tapui TED talk

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Mi amiga Alma, este e-mail se trata de la charla en TED sobre las cuevas por el 
hombre italiano.

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> That TED talk is mainly about the Tapuis in Venezuela and the discovery of 
> one of the largest caves in those quartzite mountains. Very nice. The 
> speaker, Francesco Sauro, is a member of the Italian group La Venta, which 
> explores caves all over the world, supported, I gather, by resulting 
> articles, films, and books. They have been active in Mexico, and the AMCS 
> sells several of their books. See 
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/other/otherpubs.html
> 
> Sauro is one of the authors of a nice article in the September 2013 NSS News 
> about the same Tapui and cave that are featured in the TED talk. 
> https://caves.org/nss-business/publications/NSS_News/2013/September_13.pdf
> Some of the photos in it are the same as ones in the talk. If you aren't an 
> NSS member, you're SOL.
> 
> A number of Mexico and other articles by members of the La Venta group are at
> http://www.laventa.it/en/pubblicazioni
> The last five articles there are about the Tapuis. Much of this material is 
> in Italian, however.
> 
> A nice coffee-table book about the environment of Tapuis, including the 
> extensive caves, is Marek Audy's "Brány do Ztraceného Svĕta," no doubt 
> difficult to find in the US. But a PDF of the book is at 
> http://audy.speleo.cz/bocas.pdf, worth browsing for the photos, even though 
> their resolution is poor in the PDF.
> 
> An excellent and free PDF in English is "Venezuelan Tepuis: Their Caves and 
> Biota," available at 
> http://www.academia.edu/3462814/Venezuelan_tepui_their_caves_and_biota
> My review of that is in the same NSS News. If you don't want to log in to 
> download the PDF of the book, you can read it by just scrolling down on that 
> page.
> 
> --Mixon
> 
> Q: Why is the universe here?
> A: Where else could it be?
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] cave digger

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

We watched it at a DFW Grotto meeting and it was great. Everyone liked it.

Bill Steele 
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> first I’ve heard of this guy.  this would make a great grotto meeting.
> 
> http://cavediggerdocumentary.com/index.html
> 
> Nancy
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[Texascavers] PESH 2015 Expedition (Sistema Huautla

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

This came out yesterday. It's Steve Eginorie's blog about his participation in 
this year's expedition. He was there at the beginning.

http://www.stepheneginoire.com/blog/

Caution: the photos are very good. 

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[Texascavers] Mike Boon memorial video

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By British caving filmmaker Sid Perou.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adoKD0vkiuU=em

Bill Steele
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[Texascavers] Sad news

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Texas cavers,

I just learned that Houston caver Jim McLane has passed away. 

Bill Steele 
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[Texascavers] Mimi Alexander

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Mimi, 

Please e-mail me off line. 

Bill Steele
cwilliamste...@gmail.com

 On Aug 19, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Mimi Alex via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Greetings, cavers!
 
 There will be a UT Grotto meeting this evening, although there will not be a 
 presentation following the initial grotto business and announcements. 
 
 In order to prevent such a situation from arising in the future, please 
 consider volunteering to speak at an upcoming grotto meeting. Contact me for 
 more information.
 
 The meeting, hosted by the University Speleological Society, is at 7:45pm in 
 Painter 2.48. Follow this link to a map of where the building is located on 
 the University of Texas campus: 
 http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
 
 For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see 
 www.utgrotto.org
 
 Officer contact, trip reports, event calendar, and new caver training links 
 to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available.
 
 Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy 
 hour specials. Attendance by cavers varies but this area is the best place to 
 park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. Then after the USS meeting, 
 we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, 
 and tall tales of caving at Posse East.www.posse-east.com
 
 Cheers, 
 Mimi Alexander
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Re: [Texascavers] Trip help?

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

My birthday is also the same as TCR, 10/17. Outrageous gag gifts are welcome. 

Bill Steele 

 On Jul 31, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Mal's bday is same as TCR. She better be there.
 
 On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 10:39 AM, via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 Mallory: Have no fear, the caving community has far reaches throughout the 
 world. Have fun, and will we see you at TCR?
 
 --Ernie G
  Original Message 
 Subject: [Texascavers] Trip help?
 From: Mallory via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Thu, July 30, 2015 2:27 pm
 To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com
 
 Hello Cavers!
 
 I'm excited to give y'all a quick update, and ask for help from my caving 
 community again.
 
 After finishing up some insurance drama, and getting confident underground 
 again after my accident 2 years ago, I've move to Louisiana and will be 
 starting a new job in just a couple of weeks!
 
 As a confidence building exercise (plus it's something I really want to do) 
 i'll be traveling to costa Rica this Saturday, and returning next Friday. 
 This will be my first time traveling solo internationally, and there's a 
 little anxiety from the parental units and boyfriend. 
 
 I am relishing the opportunity to travel alone and spread my wings a little 
 bit, after everything that's going on in my life for over two years, but I 
 do want to make everyone in my life feel a little more comfortable with this 
 decision. My question is, are there any members of our caving community 
 living in Costa Rica at the moment? I know there are quite a few Texas 
 Cavers in Mexico. Again, everything has been thoroughly planned, but it 
 would be nice to know there is someone local to reach out to, in event of an 
 emergency.
 
 
 Thanks everyone!
 
 Mallory Mayeux
 mmay...@gmail.com
 
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[Texascavers] Texas cavers get NSS awards

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Texas cavers received awards at the Awards Banquet of the NSS last Friday night 
at the annual NSS convention, this year held in Waynesville, Missouri.

Ellie Falgout NSS 60439 and Geoff Hoese NSS 38832 were named Fellows of the 
Society. 

Bexar Grotto received a Certificate of Merit for organizing the First Texas 
Hydro-Geo Workshop in 2014. 

I am proud to say that I received the Spelean Arts and Letters Award this year. 

You can read about the various NSS awards at this URL:
https://caves.org/committee/award/

Bill Steele 
Irving, Texas

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[Texascavers] Scottsboro Mtn. closed

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

This is from Bill Steele, cwilliamste...@gmail.com

Texas cavers,

I have camped at the caver camp on Scottsboro Mountain above Scottsboro, 
Alabama like many of you. It's also known as Tater Knob. 

This is from TagNet:

1)  Scottsboro Mountain closed for camping indefinitely
 By: Andy Zellner  (Marietta, Georgia)
 andyzell...@gmail.com

I know many cavers have camped or stayed on Scottsboro Mountain (Melody 
Mountain to locals) before. It seems that our access there has finally come to 
an end. Not because of the actions of anyone in particular, it was just time.

A few days ago, a friend drove by the gate and noticed that the caver combo 
lock had gone missing along with most of the other locks. I sent an email to 
the Sheppard family, and learned that Mrs. Sheppard passed away a few weeks 
ago. She had five daughters who are now in their 50s-60s and all have different 
ideas of what to do with the
valuable property.

So at least for now, they have closed access to everyone. I do not forsee them 
opening it back up again, though cavers at least had always been good stewards 
there. They put up with our shenanigans for over 25 years, really. :)

So please pass the word, I'm afraid the end of an era has come in TAG. And 
don't do anything dumb like taking the gate off the hinges and driving up there 
anyway - we need to move on.

Thanks!

--Andy Zellner


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[Texascavers] Huautla display

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

In Spanish.

http://ruta135.com/v2/component/k2/item/1437-donan-espeleologos-acervo-fotografico-sistema-huautla

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Your Daily Caving News

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

 
 
 Your Daily Caving News

 Inaugural SCCi Photo Contest Winners Announced
 No Takers: Australia’s Jenolan Caves Remain For Sale
 Chinese Cavers Find Enormous Transparent Tadpole
 New Book Features the Caves of Ohio’s Adams County
 Petition: Save India’s Kolar Leaf-nosed Bat
 Inaugural SCCi Photo Contest Winners Announced
 Posted: 20 Mar 2015 04:00 AM PDT
 The Southeastern Cave Conservancy (SCCi) has just released the winners of its 
 first annual photo and video contest, held earlier this year. Read More
   
 
 No Takers: Australia’s Jenolan Caves Remain For Sale
 Posted: 19 Mar 2015 12:00 PM PDT
 The Jenolan Caves have failed to secure a private lessee, more than two years 
 after Australia's New South Wales government opened it up for privatization. 
 Read More
   
 
 Chinese Cavers Find Enormous Transparent Tadpole
 Posted: 19 Mar 2015 10:00 AM PDT
 A team of cavers stumbled across a massive 14 centimeter (5.5 inch) tadpole 
 while wading through a stream in a cave near the city of Zunyi in 
 south-western China's Guizhou province. Read More
   
 
 New Book Features the Caves of Ohio’s Adams County
 Posted: 19 Mar 2015 08:00 AM PDT
 A new book on the caves of Ohio's Adams County has recently been published. 
 Read More
   
 
 Petition: Save India’s Kolar Leaf-nosed Bat
 Posted: 19 Mar 2015 06:00 AM PDT
 An online petition has been launched in hopes of protecting an endangered bat 
 species only known to reside in a single cave, from a nearby granite mining 
 operation. Read More
   
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Marion Smith book on Saltpeter mining

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Logan,

Reserve a copy for me, please.

Also, I never got the calcified rope sample back that I sent to TAMU.

Bill

C. William Bill Steele
500 Kingston Drive
Irving, Texas 75061 USA
cwilliamste...@gmail.com
speleoste...@aol.com
cell  214-770-4712

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Contact me if you want a copy of Marion's book, which is only 31 pages,
 but has little-known historical information on saltpeter mining in Arkansas
 and Texas. Texas caves discussed are Longhorn Cavern, Bracken Bat Cave,
 Frio Bat Cave, and Davis Blowout Cave.
 $5 plus $1 SH
 Fastest method is to send a check (payable to TSS), or cash, to my
 address, not the TSS address.

 Logan McNatt
 4419 Clawson Rd
 Austin, TX 78745
 hm 512-462-9581


 On 2/22/2015 10:09 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:

 Thanks, Jerry, for posting that about Confederate saltpeter mining. I
 will send a printed copy to Marion Smith, author of recent book Confederate
 Nitre Bureau Operations in the Trans-Mississippi. That book is available
 from the TSS for $5 postpaid, but the only place you can find it on their
 web site is at the end of
 http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/PDF/TSSprices.pdf. -- Mixon
 
 Work is the curse of the drinking class.
 
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[Texascavers] Mike Boon

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I just learned that Mike Boon passed away yesterday. 

Bill Steele 

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Re: [Texascavers] Mike Boon

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

That's all I know at present. 

Bill 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 22, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Any details or obituaries that you know of ?
  
 Jerry,
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Steele via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Mon, Dec 22, 2014 5:16 pm
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mike Boon
 
 I just learned that Mike Boon passed away yesterday. 
 
 Bill Steele 
 
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[Texascavers] Fwd: some Boon info

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Sent tonight by Pat Kambesis. 

Bill 

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: Kambesis, Patricia pat.kambe...@wku.edu
 Date: December 22, 2014 at 5:18:27 PM PST
 To: Bill Steele speleoste...@aol.com
 Subject: some Boon info
 
 Bill,
 
 Just got this beta about Boon from Canada.
 
 pk
 ---
 
 From: Patrick Shaw
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 5:02 PM
 To: mailto:bcs...@hal.cs.camosun.bc.ca
 Subject: [Bcsf-l] Mike Boon
  
 Hello all -
 
 Sad news from Alberta. 
 
 Mike Boon, most recently resident in Calgary, passed away over the weekend. 
 Mike Boon is truly a legend in caving circles, commencing his caving in the 
 UK in the late 1950s and was the first adopter of the aqualung for sump 
 diving there. Tales of Boon will fill volumes. He pioneered techniques for 
 exploring dangerous river caves in Central America. He was the author of a 
 nice self-published volume entitled Down to a Sunless Sea. There are likely 
 copies around in caver's libraries and occasional used book stores. He made 
 many contributions to Canadian caving, mostly in Rockies explorations. He 
 caused quite a stir in the 1970s with a winter solo exploration to distant 
 reaches of Castleguard Cave. Truly, one of the great personalities in caving 
 history.
 
 There are plans at present for a memorial sometime in the spring.
 
 Pat
 
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[Texascavers] SCCI purchases Stephen's Gap

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Bunches of Texas cavers have done Alabama's Stephen's Gap. 

Bill Steele
cwilliamste...@gmail.com

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: HiddenWorld.Net tag-...@hiddenworld.net
 Date: December 21, 2014 at 9:07:00 PM PST
 To: speleoste...@aol.com
 Subject: Tag-Net Digest #6910 
 Reply-To: tag-...@hiddenworld.net 
 
 
 Tag-Net - The Southeastern Underground...Online!
 Digest #6910, Mon, 12/22/14, 00:00 EST
 
 CONTENTS:
 
 
 1)  SCCi buys Stephens Gap!
By: Ron Miller
 
 
 
 __
 
 
 1)  SCCi buys Stephens Gap!
  By: Ron Miller  (Rome, Georgia)
  rmil...@ronmiller.net
 
 
 For those of you who have not already heard through other channels . . .
 
 The Board of Directors of the Southeastern Cave Conservancy is extremely
 pleased to announce our latest acquisition, the Stephens Gap Callahan Cave
 Preserve!
 
 On December 12, 2014, SCCi purchased 77.8 acres of karst hillside property
 that contains the entire extent of Stephens Gap Cave as well as four other
 known caves, including Pipeside Pit. The preserve is located in Jackson
 County, Alabama, about six miles west of the city of Scottsboro.
 
 The total cost for acquisition and long-term stewardship of the property is
 approximately $150,000.
 
 Stephens Gap Cave is a crown jewel among the thousands of known caves in the
 TAG region. The cave has seven entrances and nearly one half-mile of known
 passage. Its spectacular entrance area, including a 143-foot deep open-air pit
 entrance and a separate large walk-down slope entrance, is perhaps the most
 photogenic cave entrance in the entire United States. Stephens Gap Cave has
 been featured in National Geographic magazine and has even been the site of
 many weddings! The main pit contains two waterfalls that cascade down the pit
 and an elevated area known as the Pedestal. Under the right conditions, shafts
 of sunlight extend over 100 feet below the surface and illuminate the
 waterfalls and the Pedestal, making for a stunning scene that presents
 remarkable photographic opportunities.
 
 Stephens Gap Cave is widely enjoyed by cavers, hikers, and outdoor enthusiasts
 because the cave (including the Pedestal) is accessible both by cavers
 who use vertical rope techniques as well as by visitors who walk down the
 large, naturally lit slope entrance.
 
 It is through the support of our loyal donors and members that the SCCi was
 able to purchase this cave to be preserved and protected as well as kept
 accessible for all to enjoy.
 
 But we still need your help to pay for the SCCi's latest, and likely most
 popular, acquisition. You can contribute in many ways!
 
 Buy A Piece of Stephens Gap Cave in our online eStore
 [https://app.etapestry.com/cart/SoutheasternCaveConservancyIn/default/index.php].
 Many named features, including the pedestal, entrances, and waterfalls, as
 well as one-foot slices of both main entrances, are already available, with
 more to be added soon! Once purchased, your name will be added to the official
 SCCi cave map. Many donors have already staked their claim, so if you have a
 certain piece in mind don't delay!
 
 Make a one-time donation in support of the Stephens Gap Callahan Cave Preserve
 [https://app.etapestry.com/cart/SoutheasternCaveConservancyIn/default/index.php].
 In our eStore, you may also make a one-time donation in support of our most
 recent acquisition. 
 
 Become an SCCi member[http://www.scci.org/join2/]. 
 Show that you care about protecting caves for as little as $25 a year by
 becoming a member of the SCCi.
 
 Become a sustaining member or increase your sustaining
 membership[http://www.scci.org/sustaining/]. 
 Sustaining members are truly the lifeblood of the SCCi; the regular monthly
 income that we obtain from sustaining-member donations is critical to the
 SCCi's ability to plan for the future. As a sustaining member, your credit
 card will be automatically charged monthly. You can become a sustainer for as
 little as $10 per month.
 
 Join the Valhalla Society
 [http://www.scci.org/support/planned-giving-the-valhalla-society/]. 
 This special group includes the dedicated SCCi members who have chosen to
 remember the SCCi through planned giving. For more information email
 leg...@scci.org or consult a financial planning professional.
 
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 Visit us online at www.scci.org.
 Support the SCCi at www.scci.org/support.
 Follow us on Facebook at 
 https://www.facebook.com/SoutheasternCaveConservancy. 
 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mammoth Cave Weekend Update for Roots in the Park, Nov. 7 and 8, 2014

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Very well done report, Preston. I'm envious, especially for the four hour 
Salts Cave Trip led by Ranger Rick Olson.  I've been all over that cave and 
find it fascinating. I'm sure that the skinny wooden pole, set in place 
thousands of years ago by Woodlands Indians, is still leaning where they left 
it to climb up to an upper level. 

It was in the cave in 1971 with cave archaeologist Patti Jo Watson when I 
learned what the word coprolite means. We were on our way to the back of the 
cave to look for them and on the way I finally asked what they are to chuckles. 
We turned over rocks where some minerals had been scraped from the wall and 
found some. 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprolite

Bill Steele
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 On Nov 10, 2014, at 11:37 PM, Preston Forsythe via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 The focus of the weekend was the Lee Family and their contribution to Mammoth 
 Cave. It was a pleasure talking with Mr. Dan Lee, 87 and members of his 
 family. Coy Hansen, 93, was also in attendance. Coy is a brother of the very 
 famous Pete Hansen. Friday evening one of the area's historians and 
 genealogical experts, Norman Warnell, presented a program on the Lee Family. 
 Not only was Dan Lee born in what became Mammoth Cave National Park, but he 
 was a guide in the cave for many years. Mr. Lee was then a ranger at 
 Shenandoah National Park. Next Mr. Lee was superintendant of Custer 
 Battlefield National Monument and he ended his career in the park service as 
 superintendant of Vicksburg National Military Park. Mr. Lee and his wife, 
 Alice, then moved back to Cave City and volunteered eight years in the 
 offices of MCNP.  
  
 Park Ranger David Kem gave a program Saturday evening on the Lee Family. 
 David, who has been at MCNP for 5 years, is the author of a new book The 
 Kentucky Cave Wars.
  
 Another new book is out, The Legacy of Archibald Miller, by Eileen Gonzales. 
 Mr. Miller was the first manager of the cave. In 1808, Fleming Gatewood 
 brought Archibald to Mammoth Cave to manage the mining and processing 
 operations of the petre-dirt for the manufacture of gunpowder. Shari and I 
 hope to participate in the restoration of the Archibald Miller Family Burial 
 Plot at Holton Cemetery on the  northwest corner of Flint Ridge in the park.
  
 A brief summary of other weekend events include:  A  four hour Salts Cave 
 Trip led by Ranger Rick Olson. A three mile round trip hike to Holton 
 Cemetery led by Ranger Johnny Meridith. And a three stop tour led by Ranger 
 John Davis to the entrance of Long Cave. Next was a stop at the site of the 
 Homelike Inn, birthplace of Dan Lee. This is close to the present day cave 
 elevator. And last, Mammoth Cave Baptist Church Cemetery on Flint Ridge.
  
 Next year, 2015, will be the 75th anniversary of Mammoth Cave National Park. 
 It will also be the 200th anniversary of operation as a commercial cave. 
  
 A longer Roots in the Park recap may be available soon. This annual event 
 occurs the second weekend of November and is hosted by the Park Service, Greg 
 Davis and Karen Phillips. There were around 50 in attendance. The next annual 
 Mammoth Cave event is the Christmas Singing in the Cave the first Sunday of 
 December.
  
  
 Preston at Browder, KY, 55 miles west of MaCa
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Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante ...

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I bet Precipicio is wide open for a visit. I wonder how many years it's been 
since anyone's been there? It's one of my favorite caves. 

Bill Steele
speleoste...@aol.com

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 On Nov 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Espeleo Coahuila via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 This is an apology for all the Texas caver.
 
 In March on Spring convention, I was invite you to help me to explore and do 
 the survey in Bustamante cave.
 
 Aimee talked with me and decide to help for Thanks giving day. Past the time 
 we not have a communications, and the chief of the Secretary of tourism in 
 Nuevo León, they have a political interest and stop our project, since August 
 we can't  continue our project.
 
 We don't want to tell you nothing, because, we working to obtain a new 
 permission, and try to finish our reports. But is time and we not have that 
 permission.
 
 Crash Kennedy ask me last week about the project and I told him the 
 situation...he understand. But,  Then Oscar Berrones ask me and he don't 
 understand the reason.
 
 I know. I have a responsability with you and I'm shame for not to tell you in 
 time, what happen with our project..
 
 I was working with my partners.. and try to obtain a permission, without 
 success.\
 
 Jose Fernandez is our president of the ACEAC,  I can't to decide  the deal he 
 made the project with.  I  have  to wait an answer from  him or from the new 
 president, we have a elections in this month We have to wait.
 
 If you want to go to Bustamante, you can do it only at the touristic part...  
  But, if  you want to explore  at the end of the cave, you have to obtain a 
 permission.
 
 I'm so sorry. Please received my apology.
 
 Mónica Ponce.
 
 LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
 Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la UIS
 Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
 Directora de MP- Mex Caving
 Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
 Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
 Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
 Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
 Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
 Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
 Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
 Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
 Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
 
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[Texascavers] Caver bitten by rattler?

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I heard that UTG caver David Moore was recently bitten by a rattlesnake in a 
cave entrance. It was said to be serious enough for him to be airlifted by 
helicopter. Who can tell the tale?

Bill Steele
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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Mark?  I can think of several Marks it could be. 

Bill Steele 

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 On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
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 Received this from the SWR  remailer.
  
 Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit.
  
 Hmmm, a future trip?
  
  
 Mark
 texascav...@yahoo.com
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman
 Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM
 To: Mailing List for SWR
 Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais
  
 All,
 My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El 
 Malpais:
  
 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0
  
 Steve Peerman
  
   Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things 
 you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away 
 from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 
 Discover.
 attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.
  
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Re: [Texascavers] related to caving in Cuba

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

You may recall that as Maria began her talk on the anthropology of cavers she 
asked the audience why we were at the convention. I raised my hand and said, 
It's the gathering of the tribe. She shouted out, Yes, that's exactly what 
it is!  

Well yeah. 

Bill 

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 On Aug 28, 2014, at 8:00 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Maia gave one of the best talks all week at the Huntsville convention.
 
 Preston in west K
 
 
 On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:02 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 
 I'm going to Cuba on this same trip in Dec.
 
 Bill 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 Bill Steele 
 500 Kingston Dr.
 Irving, TX 75061
 cell 214-770-4712
 speleoste...@aol.com
 cwilliamste...@gmail.com
 
 On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, David via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Cooper.   Hit delete button now.
 
 
 
 The link below is an article about a college professor hoping to get
 some speleo-interaction
 going between US and Cuban cavers.
 
 http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=105639
 
 I am only posting this because it seems to be one of the more recent
 news articles
 that might be of interest.
 
 David Locklear
 dlocklea...@gmail.com
 
 
 Ref:
 
 Other August news articles related to caving:
 
 http://www.thearabtribune.com/articles/2014/08/07/news/news4.txt
 
 http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/New-cave-open-to-experienced-adverturers-in-5709768.php
 
 http://www.trevolta.com/travels/Cave-Exploration-in-the-Durmitor-Mountains-18426
 
 Sidenote:Golindrinas has finally been explored:
 
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/10477972/Cavers-explore-1200-foot-deep-sinkhole-in-Mexico.html
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Re: [Texascavers] tcr

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I was there. Seems like yesterday (yeah, right). 

Bill 

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 On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 So how many cavers on this list were there?  I was, and can think of about 10 
 others for sure, probably more. All you Old Timers let us know. You more 
 recent cavers probably will just want to delete these messages as yet more 
 trivial reminescenses from folks who don't go caving anymore (except for 
 notable exceptions like Steele, Sprouse, Minton, Garza, Broussard, Binney, 
 and a few others--not sure who is on this list).
 LowGun 
 
 
 On 8/29/2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers wrote:
 TCR--On this day (the Friday before Labor Day) in 1978 the participants in 
 the 1st Texas Cavers Reunion (TOTR at the time) were gathering at the old 
 cotton gin in Luckenbach, Texas--89 of um as I recall.
 
 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] related to caving in Cuba

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I'm going to Cuba on this same trip in Dec.

Bill 

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Bill Steele 
500 Kingston Dr.
Irving, TX 75061
cell 214-770-4712
speleoste...@aol.com
cwilliamste...@gmail.com

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, David via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Cooper.   Hit delete button now.
 
 
 
 The link below is an article about a college professor hoping to get
 some speleo-interaction
 going between US and Cuban cavers.
 
 http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=105639
 
 I am only posting this because it seems to be one of the more recent
 news articles
 that might be of interest.
 
 David Locklear
 dlocklea...@gmail.com
 
 
 Ref:
 
 Other August news articles related to caving:
 
 http://www.thearabtribune.com/articles/2014/08/07/news/news4.txt
 
 http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/New-cave-open-to-experienced-adverturers-in-5709768.php
 
 http://www.trevolta.com/travels/Cave-Exploration-in-the-Durmitor-Mountains-18426
 
 Sidenote:Golindrinas has finally been explored:
 
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/10477972/Cavers-explore-1200-foot-deep-sinkhole-in-Mexico.html
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Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Like you've done, and now I've done. 

Bill Steele 
500 Kingston Dr. 
Irving, TX 75061
cell 214-770-4712
speleoste...@aol.com

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 On Aug 25, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 If people included their preferred email address in their email signature, 
 this wouldn't be a problem.
 
 Diana
 
 **
 Diana R. Tomchick
 Professor
 Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
 University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
 Rm. ND10.214A
 Dallas, TX 75390-8816
 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
 (214) 645-6383 (phone)
 (214) 645-6353 (fax)
 
 From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] on behalf of Charles 
 Goldsmith via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 5:53 PM
 To: Cavetex
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information
 
 Or hit reply, go delete the name out of the To: field and insert who you want 
 to reply to.  Of course, you have to know the email address, and many won't, 
 which is a pain.
 
 I wish there was a better way to do it.
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw 
 jus...@oztotl.netmailto:jus...@oztotl.net wrote:
 
 So, I just hit reply and unintentionally spammed the whole list with a quip 
 ment for one person.
 
 I was initially horrified that I'd just committed a rookie, reply-all,  
 e-mail mistake. Upon investigation I realized CaveTex is now the only from 
 address in the e-mail header, so any and all replies go to the entire list.
 
 I figured I'd throw this out there so others in the group can be aware; if 
 you want to reply to the sender only,  you have to compose a new e-mail.
 
 Justin
 
 Sent from my cheap mobile device. Please excuse any errors, I can't spell 
 worth a shirt.
 
 On Jul 31, 2014 10:15 AM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 First off, my apologies to those of you who are getting messages about 
 bounced messages and possible removal from the list.
 
 I don't do this for a living, meaning, I don't take care of email servers, my 
 job is networking and telephony, but I do this for a hobby, started off just 
 buying my own domain and learning how to host my own email.  Long story 
 short, I'm learning as I go and adapting to industry changes.
 
 Yahoo, AOL, Hotmail and the other big name email providers keep making 
 changes, and some of these changes think that our email is spam.
 
 That's why I've made some behind the scenes changes, and some you've noticed, 
 like the reply-to and how the list displays.  It's a necessary evil, but 
 needed.
 
 I had an error in my records that I found this morning, and while it may take 
 a few days to get the system flushed out of existing email through the big 
 providers, I'm hoping I've licked the problem and things will go smoother now.
 
 If you see any error messages, bounce notifications, etc, please forward them 
 to me.
 
 As I said in another message, but just to clarify, we now allow larger 
 attachments to the mailing list.  I don't think we have anyone left on 
 dial-up anymore, but please don't abuse it, if I get too many complaints, 
 I'll have to lower the size allowed.
 
 As always, let me know if you have any questions, comments or concerns
 Charles
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Re: [Texascavers] new on AMCS web site

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Hi Preston and Sheri,

I'm retiring in three weeks. Fun!

Bill Steele 

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 On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Preston Forsythe via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Bill this is a monumental achievement. Recently I mentioned Gruta de 
 Balancanche, Yucatan. I searched the 3250 maps on the website and I do not 
 see the Balancanche map I was looking for. It was by David McKenzie, pretty 
 sure, and not only was it an excellent map, but one of the first ever, if not 
 the first, to use blue to show water. This map was on the wall at 1307 1/2 
 Kirkwood for years. Somewhere in my basement I have another copy.
 
 Preston in Browder, KY
 
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 - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:58 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] new on AMCS web site
 
 
 Searchable PDF files of AMCS Activities Newsletters numbers 21-30, for 
 1995-2007, have been added to the Association for Mexican Cave Studies web 
 site. See http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/cat.html.
 
 All of Activities Newsletters 11-30, except 29, are still available on paper 
 for only $3 each, plus shipping; see 
 http://www.mexicancaves.org/finance/order.html for ordering information.
 
 This brings the number of pages of older AMCS magazines and bulletins free 
 on the web to 5500. Links to the original Newsletter volumes 1-5, 1965-1977, 
 are at http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/oldNL.html, and links  to AMCS 
 bulletins are at http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bulcat.html.
 
 The web site also contains searchable PDFs of 1573 pages of other 
 organizations' publications on Mexican cave biology. See 
 http://www.mexicancaves.org/other/otherpubs.html .
 
 So the total number of pages of PDF files at mexicancaves.org is over 7000. 
 Check it out.
 
 The number of maps of Mexican caves at http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/ 
 has reached 3250. -- Bill Mixon, AMCS editor
 
 (Feel free to forward to other appropriate lists.)
 
 I didn't do it. You can't prove it. Nobody saw it. The sheep are lying.
 
 You may reply to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] new on AMCS web site

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Sorry, folks, I meant for that to go only to Preston and Sheri, old friends of 
mine. 

Bill Steele 

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 On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Hi Preston and Sheri,
 
 I'm retiring in three weeks. Fun!
 
 Bill Steele 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Preston Forsythe via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Bill this is a monumental achievement. Recently I mentioned Gruta de 
 Balancanche, Yucatan. I searched the 3250 maps on the website and I do not 
 see the Balancanche map I was looking for. It was by David McKenzie, pretty 
 sure, and not only was it an excellent map, but one of the first ever, if 
 not the first, to use blue to show water. This map was on the wall at 1307 
 1/2 Kirkwood for years. Somewhere in my basement I have another copy.
 
 Preston in Browder, KY
 
 ---
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:58 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] new on AMCS web site
 
 
 Searchable PDF files of AMCS Activities Newsletters numbers 21-30, for 
 1995-2007, have been added to the Association for Mexican Cave Studies web 
 site. See http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/cat.html.
 
 All of Activities Newsletters 11-30, except 29, are still available on 
 paper for only $3 each, plus shipping; see 
 http://www.mexicancaves.org/finance/order.html for ordering information.
 
 This brings the number of pages of older AMCS magazines and bulletins free 
 on the web to 5500. Links to the original Newsletter volumes 1-5, 
 1965-1977, are at http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/oldNL.html, and links  to 
 AMCS bulletins are at http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bulcat.html.
 
 The web site also contains searchable PDFs of 1573 pages of other 
 organizations' publications on Mexican cave biology. See 
 http://www.mexicancaves.org/other/otherpubs.html .
 
 So the total number of pages of PDF files at mexicancaves.org is over 7000. 
 Check it out.
 
 The number of maps of Mexican caves at http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/ 
 has reached 3250. -- Bill Mixon, AMCS editor
 
 (Feel free to forward to other appropriate lists.)
 
 I didn't do it. You can't prove it. Nobody saw it. The sheep are lying.
 
 You may reply to the address this message
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 Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
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Re: [Texascavers] Charles

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

My goodness, Charles, you have gone worldwide. Your home grotto, the DFW 
Grotto, is SO proud of you. Thanks for all you do for caving. 

Bill Steele 
Irving, Texas 

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 On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:59 PM, George Veni via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 I'm late to add my two cents, but Charles isn't exaggerating in saying 
 worldwide. He is also hosting the website of the International Union of 
 Speleology and also serves as a vital member of its IT team.
 
 George
 
 
 Sent from my mobile phone
 
 
 
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 From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Date: 2014/08/11 19:37 (GMT-07:00) 
 To: Cavetex texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Charles 
 
 
 Thanks everyone, including the one's I received private messages from.  I'm 
 just trying to do my part for the cavers world wide.
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Wm Shrewsbury via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 I’ll second that comment!  Charles has been invaluable to the NSS!
 
  
 
 Wm
 
  
 
 From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
 Geary Schindel via Texascavers
 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 8:48 AM
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Charles
 
  
 
 Thanks Charles for all the hard work you put into this and the NSS web pages.
 
  
 
 Geary
 
 
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