Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names
Appropriate or inappropriate cave names?: There is a small cave in Oklahoma that we named “dog shit pit”. The first person down complained “oh hell there is just a bunch of dog shit down here”. I thought that was a weird thing to say and wondered why a dog would poop thereso I questioned him.and the response was “yeahit’s real f@@ing dog shit” After he returned to the surface - I had to get on rope and go down and see. It was tight with razor like rock blades, bad air, some mudand maybe some animal bones. But no dog shit. Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > > Gary Poole also has a place named for him in Honey Creek: Poole's Pool. We > were surveying beyond the Trifurcation in waist- to chest-deep water. Gary > was sketching and suddenly stepped off into a deep pothole. He went in over > his head, but managed to keep the book dry by holding one arm up over his > head. That single hand with the book sticking out of the water looked like > "Thing" on the Addams Family. > > In Cueva de la Peña (SLP, Mexico) Jeff Horowitz dropped a coil of rope into a > deep pothole full of water at the base of a short drop. He managed to > retrieve the rope after diving for it. That place became known as Horowitz > Sunk. > > Then there's the "Can You Stay Dry" passage in Joya de Salas. There was a > deep pool covered with scuzzy organic debris that one could tiptoe around on > skinny ledges while doing an undercling on small nubbins. It was a totally > committing move, because you had to lean back over the water. If it worked, > you got off dry, but if you missed a foot- or handhold, you got totally > submerged. More than one person took the plunge, as did another coil of rope. > We finally got the rope back by fishing it out with a tent stake lashed to a > pole. > > Mark Minton > mmin...@caver.net > > On Mon, 28 May, 2018 at 1:44 PM, George Veni wrote: > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and > Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when > we broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely > stream passage. > > We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we > found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later > trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and > downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving. > > George > > > George Veni, PhD > Executive Director > National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) > and > President > International Union of Speleology (UIS) > > Direct address at NCKRI > 400-1 Cascades Avenue > Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA > Office: +1-575-887-5517 > Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 > Fax: +1-575-887-5523 > gv...@nckri.org > www.nckri.org > > UIS address: > Titov trg 2 > 6230 Postojna > Slovenia > www.uis-speleo.org > > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of > Logan McNatt > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names > > In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called > Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge > pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took > an unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in > honor of the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if > requested. > > Logan McNatt > lmcn...@austin.rr.com > > On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote: > Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly > appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at > Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. > The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. > We have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a > pool of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit. > Mark Minton > mmin...@caver.net > > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele wrote: > Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured > his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a > military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to > rescue him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk. > > Bill Steele > ___ &
Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names
Thanks for the update. Would be great to go back and work on that project. Fond memories of being a dive team Sherpa. - from julia's cell Julia G Germany c: 281.979.9208 e: ju...@trigrants.com<mailto:ju...@trigrants.com> On May 28, 2018, at 15:12, George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote: Creature and James Brown dove upstream and there are still more sumps to do there. Downstream has never been dove. Is a bit more challenging because it is more than twice the distance but also because you can float all of the gear upstream but have to carry it downstream because the water is too shallow for floating in most stretches. George George Veni, PhD Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President International Union of Speleology (UIS) Direct address at NCKRI 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: +1-575-887-5517 Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 Fax: +1-575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/> UIS address: Titov trg 2 6230 Postojna Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Julia Germany Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 12:31 To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names Hi George! I thought Creature completed the sump surveys? - from julia's cell Julia G Germany c: 281.979.9208 e: ju...@trigrants.com<mailto:ju...@trigrants.com> On May 28, 2018, at 12:45, George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote: Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when we broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely stream passage. We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving. George George Veni, PhD Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President International Union of Speleology (UIS) Direct address at NCKRI 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: +1-575-887-5517 Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 Fax: +1-575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/> UIS address: Titov trg 2 6230 Postojna Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Logan McNatt Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06 To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took an unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in honor of the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if requested. Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com> On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote: Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. We have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a pool of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote: Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to rescue him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk. Bill Steele ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.co
Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names
Creature and James Brown dove upstream and there are still more sumps to do there. Downstream has never been dove. Is a bit more challenging because it is more than twice the distance but also because you can float all of the gear upstream but have to carry it downstream because the water is too shallow for floating in most stretches. George George Veni, PhD Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President International Union of Speleology (UIS) Direct address at NCKRI 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: +1-575-887-5517 Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 Fax: +1-575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/> UIS address: Titov trg 2 6230 Postojna Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Julia Germany Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 12:31 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names Hi George! I thought Creature completed the sump surveys? - from julia's cell Julia G Germany c: 281.979.9208 e: ju...@trigrants.com<mailto:ju...@trigrants.com> On May 28, 2018, at 12:45, George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote: Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when we broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely stream passage. We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving. George George Veni, PhD Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President International Union of Speleology (UIS) Direct address at NCKRI 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: +1-575-887-5517 Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 Fax: +1-575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/> UIS address: Titov trg 2 6230 Postojna Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Logan McNatt Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06 To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took an unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in honor of the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if requested. Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com> On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote: Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. We have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a pool of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote: Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to rescue him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk. Bill Steele ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names
Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when we broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely stream passage. We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving. George George Veni, PhD Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President International Union of Speleology (UIS) Direct address at NCKRI 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: +1-575-887-5517 Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 Fax: +1-575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/> UIS address: Titov trg 2 6230 Postojna Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Logan McNatt Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took an unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in honor of the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if requested. Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com> On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote: Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. We have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a pool of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote: Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to rescue him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk. Bill Steele ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names
Gary Poole also has a place named for him in Honey Creek: Poole's Pool. We were surveying beyond the Trifurcation in waist- to chest-deep water. Gary was sketching and suddenly stepped off into a deep pothole. He went in over his head, but managed to keep the book dry by holding one arm up over his head. That single hand with the book sticking out of the water looked like "Thing" on the Addams Family. In Cueva de la Peña (SLP, Mexico) Jeff Horowitz dropped a coil of rope into a deep pothole full of water at the base of a short drop. He managed to retrieve the rope after diving for it. That place became known as Horowitz Sunk. Then there's the "Can You Stay Dry" passage in Joya de Salas. There was a deep pool covered with scuzzy organic debris that one could tiptoe around on skinny ledges while doing an undercling on small nubbins. It was a totally committing move, because you had to lean back over the water. If it worked, you got off dry, but if you missed a foot- or handhold, you got totally submerged. More than one person took the plunge, as did another coil of rope. We finally got the rope back by fishing it out with a tent stake lashed to a pole. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Mon, 28 May, 2018 at 1:44 PM, George Veni wrote: To: texascavers@texascavers.com Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when we broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely stream passage. We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving. George George Veni, PhD Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President International Union of Speleology (UIS) Direct address at NCKRI 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: +1-575-887-5517 Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 Fax: +1-575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/> UIS address: Titov trg 2 6230 Postojna Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Logan McNatt Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took an unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in honor of the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if requested. Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com> On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote: Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. We have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a pool of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote: Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to rescue him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk. Bill Steele ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names
Hi George! I thought Creature completed the sump surveys? - from julia's cell Julia G Germany c: 281.979.9208 e: ju...@trigrants.com<mailto:ju...@trigrants.com> On May 28, 2018, at 12:45, George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote: Actually, Logan’s description pretty much says it all. A handhold broke and Gary made the first descent of the waterfall. That was in October 1979 when we broke the Texas depth record and on our first exploration of that lovely stream passage. We were too excited to be phased by the plunge, but were disappointed when we found a sump around the corner. We bypassed it via an upper level on a later trip, found a second sump that we also bypassed by climbing high, and downstream exploration remains stopped at a third sump that will need diving. George George Veni, PhD Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President International Union of Speleology (UIS) Direct address at NCKRI 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: +1-575-887-5517 Mobile: +1-210-863-5919 Fax: +1-575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org/> UIS address: Titov trg 2 6230 Postojna Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org/> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Logan McNatt Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 11:06 To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Appropriate cave place names In the stream passage at the bottom of Sorcerer's Cave (originally called Adam's Cave) in Terrell County, TX, there is a 1.5 m waterfall into a plunge pool. During a 1978/79 survey by the San Antonio Grotto (SAG), a caver took an unplanned dip into the pool. The place was christened Poole Plunge in honor of the caver--Gary Poole. George Veni can provide more details if requested. Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com> On 5/28/2018 9:25 AM, Mark Minton wrote: Bill Steele's mention of Kerr Plunk reminded me of another similarly appropriate place name in a cave. Actually, it was in the Buenavista Mine at Minas Viejas. Brian Burton (RIP) had his dog along on one trip into the mine. The dog suddenly raced ahead and jumped to its death down a 100-foot shaft. We have no idea why the dog did that; best guess is that it thought it was a pool of water. We named the shaft Dog Gone Pit. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net<mailto:mmin...@caver.net> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Bill Steele mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote: Tennessee caver Chris Kerr fell in Sistema Purificacion in 1978 and fractured his femur. Cavers from Austin drove Terry Sayther’s caving truck up into a military C130 cargo plane and were flown to Victoria, Tamps., Mexico to rescue him. The spot where he fell is named Kerr Plunk. Bill Steele ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
