Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting my plugin library

[Andrew]

Thank you Jeremy. I am not sure how to create a gif with my android phone 
but I will try. 

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 7:50:09 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Andrew
>
> It's great you're still using TiddlyWiki after all these years, and have 
> been able to contribute too.
>
> I like websites that reflect the individuality of the creator, being old 
> enough to remember the golden years of geocities etc.
>
> It's good to include screenshots when posting links, it makes the archive 
> more useful in case links change in the future. I don't have the tools with 
> me at the moment to capture a GIF of the animation, but would be grateful 
> if anyone is able to do so!
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 12 Aug 2021, at 14:01, ludwa6  wrote:
>
> Hey @Andrew : i'm just starting to explore your new site, featuring 
> numerous plugin resources i knew nothing about.  Nice!
>
>
>
> Of particular interest to me right now is this "Show Fields" plugin 
> , which promises to solve what is 
> my wiki-weaving challenge of the day, namely:  getting a bunch of tiddlers 
> i have created via TiddlyGoo import process to display certain fields -most 
> importantly the image field- in body of all tiddlers that have that field.
>
> Using your plugin, i configured control panel : settings to display 
> contents of the "image" field in body of tiddler, which indeed it does... 
> But not by rendering the image as prescribed in that that field's 
> contents.  Instead, it presents a 2-column table with the word "image" in 
> the LH column, and the RH column showing code that i want TW to render -for 
> example:
>
>  
> ![img[chard|
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chard_%28Beta_vulgaris_var_cicla%29.jpg/450px-Chard_%28Beta_vulgaris_var_cicla%29.jpg
> ]] 
> from [[Wikipedia article on Chard|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chard]] 
>  
> More: Learn [[how to grow your own|
> https://www.yates.com.au/plants/vegetable/silverbeet/how-to-grow-silverbeet/]]
>  
> from Yates (AU) Co.
>
> To illustrate, i've attached two images showing (1) that two-column 
> display described above, and (2) the way it renders if i put that code into 
> body of tiddler manually (it is the same code in both cases).  Is there 
> anything you can suggest to put this working right?
>
> /walt
>
> 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 6:38:57 AM UTC+1 Andrew wrote:
>
>> I have migrated from tiddlyspot to github. Check out my updated page of 
>> plugins at https://t5a.github.io and let me know what you think.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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[tw5] Re: Presenting my plugin library

[Andrew]

Sorry ludwa6, showfields is very basic in that it displays fields like in 
the information tabs.

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:01:13 AM UTC-7 ludwa6 wrote:

> Hey @Andrew : i'm just starting to explore your new site, featuring 
> numerous plugin resources i knew nothing about.  Nice!
>
> Of particular interest to me right now is this "Show Fields" plugin 
> , which promises to solve what is 
> my wiki-weaving challenge of the day, namely:  getting a bunch of tiddlers 
> i have created via TiddlyGoo import process to display certain fields -most 
> importantly the image field- in body of all tiddlers that have that field.
>
> Using your plugin, i configured control panel : settings to display 
> contents of the "image" field in body of tiddler, which indeed it does... 
> But not by rendering the image as prescribed in that that field's 
> contents.  Instead, it presents a 2-column table with the word "image" in 
> the LH column, and the RH column showing code that i want TW to render -for 
> example:
>
>  
> ![img[chard|
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Chard_%28Beta_vulgaris_var_cicla%29.jpg/450px-Chard_%28Beta_vulgaris_var_cicla%29.jpg
> ]] 
> from [[Wikipedia article on Chard|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chard]] 
>  
> More: Learn [[how to grow your own|
> https://www.yates.com.au/plants/vegetable/silverbeet/how-to-grow-silverbeet/]]
>  
> from Yates (AU) Co.
>
> To illustrate, i've attached two images showing (1) that two-column 
> display described above, and (2) the way it renders if i put that code into 
> body of tiddler manually (it is the same code in both cases).  Is there 
> anything you can suggest to put this working right?
>
> /walt
>
> [image: Chard1.jpeg][image: Chard2.jpeg]
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 6:38:57 AM UTC+1 Andrew wrote:
>
>> I have migrated from tiddlyspot to github. Check out my updated page of 
>> plugins at https://t5a.github.io and let me know what you think.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> Get Outlook for Android 
>>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting my plugin library

[Andrew]

You have to carefully replace it with a bag of sand or the snakes   will 
get you.

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 9:13:45 PM UTC-7 The Islander wrote:

>
> My goodness. That tiddlywiki5 logo. Can I steal that please? :)
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 8:23:51 AM UTC-7 Andrew wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mario for your candid response. You have always been 
>> insightful.  I now know what to focus on fixing. Thank you.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 12:15:04 AM UTC-7 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> It's nice, but why do you use a promotion image of an image hosting 
>>> service as a backdrop image? 
>>>
>>> Github lets you add your own images to gh-pages. So you should use this 
>>> service instead of tickle users privacy concerns. 
>>>
>>> Whenever you load an image from a 3rd party, you also ping them, that 
>>> I'm visiting your page. .. I personally don't want this and the page 
>>> doesn't contain an option to opt-out. ... :/
>>>
>>> Sorry for ranting, but that and the animated psychedelic image, was the 
>>> first thing that jumped into my eyes and made the page unusable. For me 
>>> it's impossible to read the text on a transparent tiddler if the background 
>>> image moves left and right. 
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Why is the menu so ugly?

[PMario]

Hi, 
This will be fixed in the next version. See the prerelease 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
-m

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[tw5] Re: Using <$list> widget to generate table rows

[springer]

Louis, responding not directly to your question, but to the kind of task 
that seems to lie behind it:

if you're trying to display tables with rows that meet filter conditions, 
you might be well served by Mohammad's Shiraz plugin 
, which offers dynamic tables with 
many lovely features. 

If you stand on Mohammad's shoulders, your tiddlywiki time is freed up to 
solve more nuanced problems!

-Springer



On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 9:46:15 AM UTC-4 davou...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I'm trying to use the <$list> widget generate table rows. One is this even 
> possible. Two How? Here is simplified version of code I've tried. 
>
> \define davout-list(levels: "1,3,5")
> | ! Level | ! Blah |
> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
> | <> | Blah |
> 
> \end
>
> \define davout-list2(levels: "1,3,5")
> | ! Level | ! Blah |
> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
> | <> | Blah |
> <$wikify name=wikifiedRow text=| <> | Blah |>
> <>
> 
> 
> \end
>
> <>
>
> <>
>
> The html it generates:
>  Level align="center"> Blah
> | 1 | Blah |
>
> | 3 | Blah |
>
> | 5 | Blah |
>  Level align="center"> Blah
> | 1 | Blah |
>  | Blah |
> |
>
>
> | 3 | Blah |
>  | Blah |
> |
>
>
> | 5 | Blah |
>  | Blah |
> |
>
> 
>
> It's closing the table and generating  tags.
> -
> A more general question. It's been stated that macros are text 
> substitution not functions that return a value. And they don't "evaluate". 
> I've seen first hand they don't return a value, but they do seem to at 
> least execute some code. For example they do call other macros:
>
> \define a()
> <>
> \end
>
> \define b(where)
> $where$
> \end
>
> <>
>
> produces:
> here
>
> So what are the rules for what macros will and will not "execute"?
>
> Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[David Gifford]

Too good, Tweeter!

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 4:47:54 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> I'm sorry Dave but you may have chosen the wrong name.
>
> I know you took precautions, but that Pfizer shot may be interfering with 
> your preliminary findings.
>
> This kind of thing has cropped up before, Dave, but honestly I wouldn't 
> worry about that.
>
> HAL, x
>

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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[David Gifford]

Wow, PMario, I had only seen the two shorter replies. I just realized now 
you had a much more substantial response. That looks like a lot of work. I 
will give it a try. Thank you very much.

I actually have been going sideways on this, to get it the way I would use 
it. It is quite different than HAL. I will share when I get it stable, and 
I will compare it with the macro you attached. Blessings!

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4 PMario wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> You do have a very fine sense, what can be useful for other users. I like 
> it!
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:09:21 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
> Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet.
>>
>
> :)
>  
>
>> I was poking at the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got 
>> distracted enough to came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback:
>>
>> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
>>
>
> I did change quite a bit and hope you like it too.
>  
>
>> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? 
>>
>
> Yea .. a bit. Especially since you mention printing. So you probably don't 
> want them to be shown on paper.
>  
>
>> Any suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 
>> 'view' link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the 
>> edit link. But if I share online content this way, some might want to open 
>> a tiddler to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff 
>> would confuse them).
>>
>
> I can't  believe, that I will write this: You could make an "invisible" 
> edit link, that will only show on hover. So only users, who know, where the 
> link is will see it. 
>
> For the "link" you could change the hal-caption() macro, that I did add 
> to the code in a way that it will use a link to the title instead of the 
> pure text. 
>
> This behaviour could be changed with a global setting. eg: 
> $:/.giffmex/hal/config/show-caption-link and a reveal-widget. The value 
> defaults to "no". If it is set to "yes" then it shows the alternative view. 
> ... It would also be possible to switch between 2 macro names instead of 
> "yes" and "no" ...
>
> I think you can borrow some code from my 
>  
>
>> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays: 
>> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
>>
>
> Yes. See the new hal-caption() macro in the code
>  
>
>> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>>
>
> I do like this field, but imo this will depend on the users taste. 
>
> ---
>
> I would suggest the following things. 
>
>- Make the macro code readable, to be able to change stuff
>   - \whitespace trim  ... will remove the extra whitespace, so no 
>   artefacts are part of the HTML code
>   - Show caption if available ... Using the same mechanism as the 
>core /toc -macro
>- Made the macro code visible in view mode (Kudos go to Eric Shulman;)
>- Added the hal-blurb() macro, so it can be switched on / off in the 
>future. A macro makes future development easier
>- I did replace the SPAN elements with DIV elements. SPANs are inline 
>and DIV are block elements. So now "display: block" in CSS needed!
>- I did replace the B elements with STRONG because of some info at MDN 
> 
>See 2nd paragraph there. 
>- I did remove all the  elements (except of 1), because they 
>should not be used for styling - CSS is used for styling
>   - There is 1  element left, because it is needed if the 
>   "title" + "blurb" is selected and copy / pasted. There needs to be a 
> space 
>   in between the title and the blurb
>   - I did replace the spaces with tc-small-gap-left which is part of 
>   the vanilla CSS 
>   
> 
>  
>   since 5.1.23. 
>
>
>- I did make the Stylesheet readable 
>- I did clean the Stylesheet a bit and add new elements needed
>   - There is a hover "animation" for the buttons now
>   - The mouse cursor changes shape, to give user-feedback, when they 
>   are able to click something
>
>
> Hope you like it.
> Code is in the attachment
>
> IMO that's not all things, that may be done. Especially the link- and 
> edit-buttons could be improved with settings. 
>
> "Well, I don’t think there is any question about it. 
> It can only be attributable to human error. 
> This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to 
> human error."
> - HAL9000
>
>

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[tw5] Why is the menu so ugly?

[Mike Andyl]

This menu looks crooked.
https://i.imgur.com/QnfFa5B.jpg
Some element will be dropped.
https://i.imgur.com/8XmPB00.jpg
and 
https://i.imgur.com/YVOddb5.jpg

Where can I fix this?

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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[TiddlyTweeter]

I'm sorry Dave but you may have chosen the wrong name.

I know you took precautions, but that Pfizer shot may be interfering with 
your preliminary findings.

This kind of thing has cropped up before, Dave, but honestly I wouldn't 
worry about that.

HAL, x

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Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[David Gifford]

Okay, I will look at that some time soon.

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On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 2:50 PM PMario  wrote:

> HI,
> The hover-animation could probably be borrowed from my links-to-tabs macor
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs
> It's CSS only, but it needs type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki to work properly.
> -m
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Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[David Gifford]

Thanks PMario!




On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 2:45 PM PMario  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> You do have a very fine sense, what can be useful for other users. I like
> it!
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:09:21 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:
>
> Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet.
>>
>
> :)
>
>
>> I was poking at the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got
>> distracted enough to came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback:
>>
>> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
>>
>
> I did change quite a bit and hope you like it too.
>
>
>> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying?
>>
>
> Yea .. a bit. Especially since you mention printing. So you probably don't
> want them to be shown on paper.
>
>
>> Any suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the
>> 'view' link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the
>> edit link. But if I share online content this way, some might want to open
>> a tiddler to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff
>> would confuse them).
>>
>
> I can't  believe, that I will write this: You could make an "invisible"
> edit link, that will only show on hover. So only users, who know, where the
> link is will see it.
>
> For the "link" you could change the hal-caption() macro, that I did add
> to the code in a way that it will use a link to the title instead of the
> pure text.
>
> This behaviour could be changed with a global setting. eg:
> $:/.giffmex/hal/config/show-caption-link and a reveal-widget. The value
> defaults to "no". If it is set to "yes" then it shows the alternative view.
> ... It would also be possible to switch between 2 macro names instead of
> "yes" and "no" ...
>
> I think you can borrow some code from my
>
>
>> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays:
>> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
>>
>
> Yes. See the new hal-caption() macro in the code
>
>
>> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>>
>
> I do like this field, but imo this will depend on the users taste.
>
> ---
>
> I would suggest the following things.
>
>- Make the macro code readable, to be able to change stuff
>   - \whitespace trim  ... will remove the extra whitespace, so no
>   artefacts are part of the HTML code
>   - Show caption if available ... Using the same mechanism as the
>core /toc -macro
>- Made the macro code visible in view mode (Kudos go to Eric Shulman;)
>- Added the hal-blurb() macro, so it can be switched on / off in the
>future. A macro makes future development easier
>- I did replace the SPAN elements with DIV elements. SPANs are inline
>and DIV are block elements. So now "display: block" in CSS needed!
>- I did replace the B elements with STRONG because of some info at MDN
>
>See 2nd paragraph there.
>- I did remove all the  elements (except of 1), because they
>should not be used for styling - CSS is used for styling
>   - There is 1  element left, because it is needed if the
>   "title" + "blurb" is selected and copy / pasted. There needs to be a 
> space
>   in between the title and the blurb
>   - I did replace the spaces with tc-small-gap-left which is part of
>   the vanilla CSS
>   
> 
>   since 5.1.23.
>
>
>- I did make the Stylesheet readable
>- I did clean the Stylesheet a bit and add new elements needed
>   - There is a hover "animation" for the buttons now
>   - The mouse cursor changes shape, to give user-feedback, when they
>   are able to click something
>
>
> Hope you like it.
> Code is in the attachment
>
> IMO that's not all things, that may be done. Especially the link- and
> edit-buttons could be improved with settings.
>
> "Well, I don’t think there is any question about it.
> It can only be attributable to human error.
> This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to
> human error."
> - HAL9000
>
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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[PMario]

HI,
The hover-animation could probably be borrowed from my links-to-tabs macor 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs
It's CSS only, but it needs type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki to work properly.
-m

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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[PMario]

Hi David,

You do have a very fine sense, what can be useful for other users. I like 
it!

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 3:09:21 PM UTC+2 David Gifford wrote:

Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet.
>

:)
 

> I was poking at the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got 
> distracted enough to came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>
> I would appreciate feedback:
>
> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
>

I did change quite a bit and hope you like it too.
 

> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? 
>

Yea .. a bit. Especially since you mention printing. So you probably don't 
want them to be shown on paper.
 

> Any suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 
> 'view' link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the 
> edit link. But if I share online content this way, some might want to open 
> a tiddler to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff 
> would confuse them).
>

I can't  believe, that I will write this: You could make an "invisible" 
edit link, that will only show on hover. So only users, who know, where the 
link is will see it. 

For the "link" you could change the hal-caption() macro, that I did add to 
the code in a way that it will use a link to the title instead of the pure 
text. 

This behaviour could be changed with a global setting. eg: 
$:/.giffmex/hal/config/show-caption-link and a reveal-widget. The value 
defaults to "no". If it is set to "yes" then it shows the alternative view. 
... It would also be possible to switch between 2 macro names instead of 
"yes" and "no" ...

I think you can borrow some code from my 
 

> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays: 
> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
>

Yes. See the new hal-caption() macro in the code
 

> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>

I do like this field, but imo this will depend on the users taste. 

---

I would suggest the following things. 

   - Make the macro code readable, to be able to change stuff
  - \whitespace trim  ... will remove the extra whitespace, so no 
  artefacts are part of the HTML code
  - Show caption if available ... Using the same mechanism as the core 
   /toc -macro
   - Made the macro code visible in view mode (Kudos go to Eric Shulman;)
   - Added the hal-blurb() macro, so it can be switched on / off in the 
   future. A macro makes future development easier
   - I did replace the SPAN elements with DIV elements. SPANs are inline 
   and DIV are block elements. So now "display: block" in CSS needed!
   - I did replace the B elements with STRONG because of some info at MDN 
    
   See 2nd paragraph there. 
   - I did remove all the  elements (except of 1), because they 
   should not be used for styling - CSS is used for styling
  - There is 1  element left, because it is needed if the "title" 
  + "blurb" is selected and copy / pasted. There needs to be a space in 
  between the title and the blurb
  - I did replace the spaces with tc-small-gap-left which is part of 
  the vanilla CSS 
  

 
  since 5.1.23. 
   

   - I did make the Stylesheet readable 
   - I did clean the Stylesheet a bit and add new elements needed
  - There is a hover "animation" for the buttons now
  - The mouse cursor changes shape, to give user-feedback, when they 
  are able to click something
   

Hope you like it.
Code is in the attachment

IMO that's not all things, that may be done. Especially the link- and 
edit-buttons could be improved with settings. 

"Well, I don’t think there is any question about it. 
It can only be attributable to human error. 
This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to 
human error."
- HAL9000

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[tw5] Re: [Theme Tune] I do think the Morricone Clock and all that fits TW well musicallyly ...

[TiddlyTweeter]

BurningTreeC wrote:
Badum badum *sing*

I can't post the  Hardwell & Henry Fong feat BADUM here, it has naughty 
bottoms.

An Italian song that puns on it is the Sicilian BADABUM CHA CHA 
 

I can see how that when one is high on a TW RUN it could express it too, 
though Morricone has better measure.

In tune,
TT


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[tw5] Re: Help please for indicators in SideBar

[Télumire]

Erratum bis (sorry..) :

.indicator-container {
display: flex;
flex-wrap:wrap;
margin-top: -14px;
margin-bottom: -26px;
--indicator-size:10px;
}

.indicator-item{
height:var(--indicator-size);
width:var(--indicator-size);
display:inline-block;
position:relative;
}

.indicator-item button, .indicator-item button * {
position:absolute;
width:100%!important;
height:100%!important;
padding:unset;
margin:unset;
left:0;
top:0;
}

Should I send further replies by private message to avoid spam ?


Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 20:02:22 UTC+2, Télumire a écrit :

> Erratum : no need for the line-height:unset nor the inline-block for the 
> button and its content :
>
> .indicator-container {
> display:block;
> margin-top: -14px;
> margin-bottom: -26px;
> }
>
> .indicator-item{
> height:40px;
> width:40px;
> display:inline-block;
> position:relative;
> }
>
> .indicator-item button, .indicator-item button * {
> width:100%!important;
> height:100%!important;
> padding:unset;
> margin:unset;
> left:0;
> top:0;
> }
>
> Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 20:00:09 UTC+2, Télumire a écrit :
>
>> Ok now I understand what you mean … This is because tiddly wiki wrap the 
>> content in a  tag, which has a margin of 14px. So to fix that, since we 
>> can't style an element based on it's content (at least not until the 
>> pseudo-class :has is supported) nor give it a class (as far as I know), we 
>> need to wrap the indicators in a container and use it to compensate with 
>> negative margin.
>>
>> The code becomes :
>>
>> \whitespace trim
>> 
>> 
>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>>  
>> ..etc..
>> 
>> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/cancel}}
>> 
>>  
>>
>> And the css becomes 
>>
>> .indicator-container {
>> display:block;
>> margin-top: -14px;
>> margin-bottom: -26px;
>> line-height:unset;
>> }
>>
>> .indicator-item{
>> height:40px;
>> width:40px;
>> display:inline-block;
>> position:relative;
>> }
>>
>> .indicator-item button, .indicator-item button * {
>> width:100%!important;
>> height:100%!important;
>> padding:unset;
>> margin:unset;
>> display:inline-block;
>> left:0;
>> top:0;
>> }
>> Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 08:22:19 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :
>>
>>> Télumire
>>>
>>> I just tried this on tiddlywiki.com;
>>>
>>> Thanks, we are almost there.
>>>
>>> I set the width and height to 15px, look like I wanted then added 
>>> list-before = $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs
>>>
>>> Once it moves above the tabs there is too much white space above and 
>>> below
>>>
>>> [image: Snag_1f281978.png]
>>>
>>> Is there some way to remove or reduce this space top and bottom?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 12 August 2021 at 12:07:40 UTC+10 Télumire wrote:
>>>
 So if I understand correctly, you want to be able to give a custom 
 size to your icons/buttons and be able to have them next to each other ?

 Try this and tell me if that works :

 In the tiddler tagged with $:/tags/SideBarSegment : 

 \whitespace trim
 
 {{button 1}}
 
 ..etc..
 
 {{button n}} 
  

 In a stylesheet tiddler :

 .indicator{
 height:20px;
 width:20px;
 display:inline-block;
 position:relative;
 }

 .indicator button, .indicator button * {
 width:100%!important;
 height:100%!important;
 padding:unset;
 margin:unset;
 display:inline-block;
 position:absolute;
 left:0;
 top:0;
 }
 Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 02:42:42 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :

> Folks,
>
> I have a number of projects that could use icons placed in the 
> sidebar, top menu and other places. They would indicate some status such 
> as 
> a green storage icon when the local storage is on and much more. I call 
> these indicators, They may have tooltips or actions on click, with or 
> without modifier keys. 
>
> I have attempted to build a new element tagged $:/tags/SideBarSegment 
> and list-before $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs
>
> The problem I have for for which I seek help is I am finding it 
> difficult to reduce icons and buttons to a half height and not have 
> unnecessary white space above and below the indicators. Margins, padding 
> tweeks etc... have not succeeded. We may use existing buttons and create 
> new ones, the idea is it provides additional place(s) for which we can 
> display content via a tag, so if I publish an indicator and you do the 
> same 
> they can coexist.
>
> I would hope to publish this to set a de facto standard, say using the 
> tag $:/tags/indicator so we can all add additional and conditional 
> iconised 
> information in the sideBar and elsewhere as desired. 
>
> Can anyone help me build this with custom css to minimise its use of 
> space? Ideally customisable.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>


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[tw5] Re: Better indexes through semantic modeling

[Soren Bjornstad]

*Springer*, that's really cool, I don't think I've ever seen that 
particular layout before! I do a similar thing to your “tldr” in my 
Zettelkasten, extending the “description” field to non-system tiddlers and 
displaying it at the top next to the gem icon if present:

[image: ksnip_20210812-125810.png]

*TT*, I'm puzzled where you got the idea that I think book indexes were/are 
a poor tool, or lacking in either authorial effort or utility. Are you able 
to point to location(s) in the post which are “inaccurate” or give you that 
impression? If so, I would like to correct it, as that is the exact 
opposite of what I think. I've been compiling and using keyword indexes 
almost daily myself for about twelve years (almost half my life), and they 
are a powerful tool – not to mention thesauruses, concordances, 
encyclopedias, etc., as you point out. I wrote a guide on using indexes for 
your notes 

 back 
in 2013. It's exactly because they're so good (and, I think, neglected 
nowadays) that I'm interested in expanding them.

And I think many of us today are too “computer exceptionalist”. Good ideas 
are mostly independent of medium, it's just that sometimes they're really 
hard, or a comparatively bad intuitive fit, in one medium, so they don't 
make a lot of sense there. Or to put it another way, a system like what I'm 
proposing would be totally doable even on paper...just *way* more 
time-consuming to create and maintain.

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> Some of you all might be interested in this new post on my blog:
>>
>>
>> https://controlaltbackspace.org/notes/better-indexes-through-semantic-modeling/
>
>
>  It was well worth reading!
>
> *THE GOOD*
>
> Great example of logical working through to a satisfactory outcome.
>
> I complimented you before that your use of *visual illustrations* helps 
> earth the discussion really well!
> I think they definitely help folk who are not so versed in the conceptual 
> matrix you lay out.
>
> *THE BAD*
>
> TBH your comments about the Old Media of Books are simply inaccurate. 
>
> The Book has had (when required) very *good *indexing where authors chose 
> to do it.
> Think about the richness of the indices of Roget's Thesaurus. 
> Think about all those Biblical things that Dave Gifford and several 
> million other Christians sweat over. 
> Their  CONCORDANCES has been a venerable partner in print works for a very 
> long time.
>
> *THE UGLY*
>
> Nothing. Your basic thing is additive.
>
>
> The Good the Bad & The Ugly 
>
> Best wishes 
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Help please for indicators in SideBar

[Télumire]

Erratum : no need for the line-height:unset nor the inline-block for the 
button and its content :

.indicator-container {
display:block;
margin-top: -14px;
margin-bottom: -26px;
}

.indicator-item{
height:40px;
width:40px;
display:inline-block;
position:relative;
}

.indicator-item button, .indicator-item button * {
width:100%!important;
height:100%!important;
padding:unset;
margin:unset;
left:0;
top:0;
}

Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 20:00:09 UTC+2, Télumire a écrit :

> Ok now I understand what you mean … This is because tiddly wiki wrap the 
> content in a  tag, which has a margin of 14px. So to fix that, since we 
> can't style an element based on it's content (at least not until the 
> pseudo-class :has is supported) nor give it a class (as far as I know), we 
> need to wrap the indicators in a container and use it to compensate with 
> negative margin.
>
> The code becomes :
>
> \whitespace trim
> 
> 
> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
>  
> ..etc..
> 
> {{$:/core/ui/Buttons/cancel}}
> 
>  
>
> And the css becomes 
>
> .indicator-container {
> display:block;
> margin-top: -14px;
> margin-bottom: -26px;
> line-height:unset;
> }
>
> .indicator-item{
> height:40px;
> width:40px;
> display:inline-block;
> position:relative;
> }
>
> .indicator-item button, .indicator-item button * {
> width:100%!important;
> height:100%!important;
> padding:unset;
> margin:unset;
> display:inline-block;
> left:0;
> top:0;
> }
> Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 08:22:19 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :
>
>> Télumire
>>
>> I just tried this on tiddlywiki.com;
>>
>> Thanks, we are almost there.
>>
>> I set the width and height to 15px, look like I wanted then added 
>> list-before = $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs
>>
>> Once it moves above the tabs there is too much white space above and below
>>
>> [image: Snag_1f281978.png]
>>
>> Is there some way to remove or reduce this space top and bottom?
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 12 August 2021 at 12:07:40 UTC+10 Télumire wrote:
>>
>>> So if I understand correctly, you want to be able to give a custom size 
>>> to your icons/buttons and be able to have them next to each other ?
>>>
>>> Try this and tell me if that works :
>>>
>>> In the tiddler tagged with $:/tags/SideBarSegment : 
>>>
>>> \whitespace trim
>>> 
>>> {{button 1}}
>>> 
>>> ..etc..
>>> 
>>> {{button n}} 
>>>  
>>>
>>> In a stylesheet tiddler :
>>>
>>> .indicator{
>>> height:20px;
>>> width:20px;
>>> display:inline-block;
>>> position:relative;
>>> }
>>>
>>> .indicator button, .indicator button * {
>>> width:100%!important;
>>> height:100%!important;
>>> padding:unset;
>>> margin:unset;
>>> display:inline-block;
>>> position:absolute;
>>> left:0;
>>> top:0;
>>> }
>>> Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 02:42:42 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :
>>>
 Folks,

 I have a number of projects that could use icons placed in the sidebar, 
 top menu and other places. They would indicate some status such as a green 
 storage icon when the local storage is on and much more. I call these 
 indicators, They may have tooltips or actions on click, with or without 
 modifier keys. 

 I have attempted to build a new element tagged $:/tags/SideBarSegment 
 and list-before $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs

 The problem I have for for which I seek help is I am finding it 
 difficult to reduce icons and buttons to a half height and not have 
 unnecessary white space above and below the indicators. Margins, padding 
 tweeks etc... have not succeeded. We may use existing buttons and create 
 new ones, the idea is it provides additional place(s) for which we can 
 display content via a tag, so if I publish an indicator and you do the 
 same 
 they can coexist.

 I would hope to publish this to set a de facto standard, say using the 
 tag $:/tags/indicator so we can all add additional and conditional 
 iconised 
 information in the sideBar and elsewhere as desired. 

 Can anyone help me build this with custom css to minimise its use of 
 space? Ideally customisable.

 Regards
 Tones

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Help please for indicators in SideBar

[Télumire]

Ok now I understand what you mean … This is because tiddly wiki wrap the 
content in a  tag, which has a margin of 14px. So to fix that, since we 
can't style an element based on it's content (at least not until the 
pseudo-class :has is supported) nor give it a class (as far as I know), we 
need to wrap the indicators in a container and use it to compensate with 
negative margin.

The code becomes :

\whitespace trim


{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}
 
..etc..

{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/cancel}}

 

And the css becomes 

.indicator-container {
display:block;
margin-top: -14px;
margin-bottom: -26px;
line-height:unset;
}

.indicator-item{
height:40px;
width:40px;
display:inline-block;
position:relative;
}

.indicator-item button, .indicator-item button * {
width:100%!important;
height:100%!important;
padding:unset;
margin:unset;
display:inline-block;
left:0;
top:0;
}
Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 08:22:19 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :

> Télumire
>
> I just tried this on tiddlywiki.com;
>
> Thanks, we are almost there.
>
> I set the width and height to 15px, look like I wanted then added 
> list-before = $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs
>
> Once it moves above the tabs there is too much white space above and below
>
> [image: Snag_1f281978.png]
>
> Is there some way to remove or reduce this space top and bottom?
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
>
> On Thursday, 12 August 2021 at 12:07:40 UTC+10 Télumire wrote:
>
>> So if I understand correctly, you want to be able to give a custom size 
>> to your icons/buttons and be able to have them next to each other ?
>>
>> Try this and tell me if that works :
>>
>> In the tiddler tagged with $:/tags/SideBarSegment : 
>>
>> \whitespace trim
>> 
>> {{button 1}}
>> 
>> ..etc..
>> 
>> {{button n}} 
>>  
>>
>> In a stylesheet tiddler :
>>
>> .indicator{
>> height:20px;
>> width:20px;
>> display:inline-block;
>> position:relative;
>> }
>>
>> .indicator button, .indicator button * {
>> width:100%!important;
>> height:100%!important;
>> padding:unset;
>> margin:unset;
>> display:inline-block;
>> position:absolute;
>> left:0;
>> top:0;
>> }
>> Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 02:42:42 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I have a number of projects that could use icons placed in the sidebar, 
>>> top menu and other places. They would indicate some status such as a green 
>>> storage icon when the local storage is on and much more. I call these 
>>> indicators, They may have tooltips or actions on click, with or without 
>>> modifier keys. 
>>>
>>> I have attempted to build a new element tagged $:/tags/SideBarSegment 
>>> and list-before $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs
>>>
>>> The problem I have for for which I seek help is I am finding it 
>>> difficult to reduce icons and buttons to a half height and not have 
>>> unnecessary white space above and below the indicators. Margins, padding 
>>> tweeks etc... have not succeeded. We may use existing buttons and create 
>>> new ones, the idea is it provides additional place(s) for which we can 
>>> display content via a tag, so if I publish an indicator and you do the same 
>>> they can coexist.
>>>
>>> I would hope to publish this to set a de facto standard, say using the 
>>> tag $:/tags/indicator so we can all add additional and conditional iconised 
>>> information in the sideBar and elsewhere as desired. 
>>>
>>> Can anyone help me build this with custom css to minimise its use of 
>>> space? Ideally customisable.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Timely help needed

[Ste]

Hello wonderful people's. 
I need help with time. 
I am sure there have been discussions about this but alas I can't seem to 
find what I'm looking for. Google groups. You know how it is! 

I have a date in a field. I would like to use this same date in another 
tiddler, but it needs to be plain text so it can be used by the vis.js time 
line plugin.. 

I'd also like to be able to add/ subtract days and have it back into a form 
the plugin can use. 

I'd like a date picker to return the same date in different formats to 
different fields, or be able to convert an existing date into a different 
format, and for it to be useable by the time line or the timely calender. 

So not much really... 

Thanks for your time :)

Ste 

Date picker and timeline 
http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/

Timely 
https://tiddlytools.com/timer.html 


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[tw5] Re: [Theme Tune] I do think the Morricone Clock and all that fits TW well musicallyly ...

[BurningTreeC]

Badum badum *sing*

TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 17:47:37 UTC+2:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tLbBV5RtqQ
>
> Originally from the Sergio Leone, the genius Italian auteur's, FOR A FEW 
> DOLLARS MORE, Morricone's music has spawned outside it as a general 
> expression of the Epic revealing in the Ordinary. It kinda gets that in TW 
> you start humble and eventually find, pretty much, full control. That music 
> is about that too.
>
> Just saying,
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Better indexes through semantic modeling

[TiddlyTweeter]

Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Some of you all might be interested in this new post on my blog:
>
>
> https://controlaltbackspace.org/notes/better-indexes-through-semantic-modeling/


 It was well worth reading!

*THE GOOD*

Great example of logical working through to a satisfactory outcome.

I complimented you before that your use of *visual illustrations* helps 
earth the discussion really well!
I think they definitely help folk who are not so versed in the conceptual 
matrix you lay out.

*THE BAD*

TBH your comments about the Old Media of Books are simply inaccurate. 

The Book has had (when required) very *good *indexing where authors chose 
to do it.
Think about the richness of the indices of Roget's Thesaurus. 
Think about all those Biblical things that Dave Gifford and several million 
other Christians sweat over. 
Their  CONCORDANCES has been a venerable partner in print works for a very 
long time.

*THE UGLY*

Nothing. Your basic thing is additive.


The Good the Bad & The Ugly 

Best wishes 
TT

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki functionality from within javascript macro

[Louis Davout]

Thanks Jeremy. I didn't know that existed.

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 10:52:35 AM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Louis,
>
> I'm glad you found the answer. Just to say that GitHub Discussions can be 
> more suited for developer/JS discussions because it has better support for 
> code blocks and linking to code etc
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
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> On 12 Aug 2021, at 10:46, Louis Davout  wrote:
>
> Is Tiddlywiki functionality, such as running filters, available from 
> within a javascript macro? I've found the code for $tw.utils and how you 
> can get access to a tiddler object via this.wiki.getTiddler(title). But I 
> haven't come across anything for using filters. Thanks.
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> 
> .
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[tw5] [Theme Tune] I do think the Morricone Clock and all that fits TW well musicallyly ...

[TiddlyTweeter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tLbBV5RtqQ

Originally from the Sergio Leone, the genius Italian auteur's, FOR A FEW 
DOLLARS MORE, Morricone's music has spawned outside it as a general 
expression of the Epic revealing in the Ordinary. It kinda gets that in TW 
you start humble and eventually find, pretty much, full control. That music 
is about that too.

Just saying,
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Using <$list> widget to generate table rows

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Louis

As you've discovered, the wikitext table syntax is very simple, and doesn't 
support dynamic generation. The philosophy of TiddlyWiki's wikitext syntax is 
to provide easy-to-type shortcuts for common idioms that expand to sequences of 
widgets. In designing the wikitext syntax we are able to favour simplicity over 
flexibility because it is always possible for users to drop down into "raw 
widgets" to get the finest possible degree of control.

One can visualise the various elements of wikitext as a hierarchy of 
complexity/flexibility:

* Wikitext syntax is simple, easy to type and remember
* Macros add dynamic effects with the simplest possible syntax (because there 
are no closing tags to get mismatched)
* Widgets (and HTML) provide the base level of elementary primitives

Best wishes

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> On 9 Aug 2021, at 22:02, Louis Davout  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well this works:
> 
> \define davout-list(levels: "1,3,5")
> 
> LevelBlah
> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
> <> Blah
> 
> 
> \end
>> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 9:53:34 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:
>> \define davout-list(levels: "1,3,5")
>> | ! Level | ! Blah |
>> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
>> 
>> | <> | Blah |
>> 
>> 
>> \end 
>> 
>> Removes the  tags but makes each row into its own table.
>> 
>>> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 9:46:15 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to use the <$list> widget generate table rows. One is this even 
>>> possible. Two How? Here is simplified version of code I've tried. 
>>> 
>>> \define davout-list(levels: "1,3,5")
>>> | ! Level | ! Blah |
>>> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
>>> | <> | Blah |
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> 
>>> \define davout-list2(levels: "1,3,5")
>>> | ! Level | ! Blah |
>>> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
>>> | <> | Blah |
>>> <$wikify name=wikifiedRow text=| <> | Blah |>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> The html it generates:
>>>  Level>> align="center"> Blah
>>> | 1 | Blah |
>>> 
>>> | 3 | Blah |
>>> 
>>> | 5 | Blah |
>>>  Level>> align="center"> Blah
>>> | 1 | Blah |
>>>  | Blah |
>>> |
>>> 
>>> 
>>> | 3 | Blah |
>>>  | Blah |
>>> |
>>> 
>>> 
>>> | 5 | Blah |
>>>  | Blah |
>>> |
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's closing the table and generating  tags.
>>> -
>>> A more general question. It's been stated that macros are text substitution 
>>> not functions that return a value. And they don't "evaluate". I've seen 
>>> first hand they don't return a value, but they do seem to at least execute 
>>> some code. For example they do call other macros:
>>> 
>>> \define a()
>>> <>
>>> \end
>>> 
>>> \define b(where)
>>> $where$
>>> \end
>>> 
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> produces:
>>> here
>>> 
>>> So what are the rules for what macros will and will not "execute"?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Better indexes through semantic modeling

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Soren

Thank you for sharing, as ever your writing is admirably clear and concise, and 
it's a pleasure to follow your thought processes.

I tweeted your post as TiddlyWiki:

https://twitter.com/TiddlyWiki/status/1425837197844910080

Many thanks,

Jeremy

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> On 12 Aug 2021, at 08:03, PMario  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 1:31:00 AM UTC+2 springer wrote:
>> Soren,
>> 
>> In your "better indexes" essay you write:
>> If we do have the full text included in each locus, we may want to write a 
>> summary anyway and store it along with the full text: this way, we’ll be 
>> able to create an outline later and more easily see what parts of the 
>> document we’re hopping between.
>> 
>> And it reminds me how certain enlightenment texts were printed with a 
>> running outer-margin summary distilling key points (and of course the 
>> cognitive work of spelling out those side-notes is considerable!). For 
>> example, see the side-notes starting at p 49 (pdf-pagination) on this Adam 
>> Smith manuscript: 
>> https://oll-resources.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/oll3/store/titles/237/0206-01_Bk.pdf
>> 
>> For some tiddlywiki projects, I've started to employ a super-condensed 
>> summary field (call it, say, the tldr field) that can be displayed for 
>> certain purposes. Unlike the main body of the tiddler, the tldr is 
>> text-only, maximum of a single sentence. (And if I can't summarize the 
>> tiddler in one sentence, then it needs to be more than one tiddler. ;) ) Of 
>> course, the fact that tw's standard search interface doesn't peek beyond 
>> title and text field means this solution requires some building-around to be 
>> useful. 
> 
> As I did read that section, I did think in a similar direction. I was 
> thinking about a "teaser" text that is shown in "Blog overview listings". 
> Sometimes it's the first paragraph of the text itself and sometimes it is a 
> short summary, that comes later in the text. 
> 
> --
> 
> I did create a field-search plugin, that lets you configure additional fields 
> that are shown in the search results. See: 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/field-search/
> 
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[BurningTreeC]

Update from the front: One can now change the recognized language to the 
BCP-47 language codes specified in 
https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/docs/languages
Additionally, there's a setting ($:/config/speech-to-text/continuous set to 
"yes") that allows for continuous listening (listening doesn't stop 
automatically, one must stop it by hand or voice command)

all the best, BTC

BurningTreeC schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 15:59:45 UTC+2:

> The cool thing is, that now if it recognizes keywords wrongly, users can 
> just add keywords to the $:/config/speech-to-text/keywords tiddler and 
> recognition gets better
>
> BurningTreeC schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 15:54:35 UTC+2:
>
>> >I'm pretty sure it will since you know what you doing, unlike me :-)
>>
>> I don't know if I know what I'm doing :D
>>
>> Best, BTC
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 15:52:26 UTC+2:
>>
>>> BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
 @TiddlyTweeter, I have changed the default so that it uses the websites 
 *lang 
 *attribute or the system-default language

>>>
>>> Thanks for such a swift reply! 
>>> I'll test and report back if it don't work. I'm pretty sure it will 
>>> since you know what you doing, unlike me :-)
>>>
>>>  Best, TT
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki functionality from within javascript macro

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Louis,

I'm glad you found the answer. Just to say that GitHub Discussions can be more 
suited for developer/JS discussions because it has better support for code 
blocks and linking to code etc

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions

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> On 12 Aug 2021, at 10:46, Louis Davout  wrote:
> 
> Is Tiddlywiki functionality, such as running filters, available from within 
> a javascript macro? I've found the code for $tw.utils and how you can get 
> access to a tiddler object via this.wiki.getTiddler(title). But I haven't 
> come across anything for using filters. Thanks.
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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[BurningTreeC]

The cool thing is, that now if it recognizes keywords wrongly, users can 
just add keywords to the $:/config/speech-to-text/keywords tiddler and 
recognition gets better

BurningTreeC schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 15:54:35 UTC+2:

> >I'm pretty sure it will since you know what you doing, unlike me :-)
>
> I don't know if I know what I'm doing :D
>
> Best, BTC
>
> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 15:52:26 UTC+2:
>
>> BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>>> @TiddlyTweeter, I have changed the default so that it uses the websites 
>>> *lang 
>>> *attribute or the system-default language
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for such a swift reply! 
>> I'll test and report back if it don't work. I'm pretty sure it will since 
>> you know what you doing, unlike me :-)
>>
>>  Best, TT
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[BurningTreeC]

>I'm pretty sure it will since you know what you doing, unlike me :-)

I don't know if I know what I'm doing :D

Best, BTC

TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 15:52:26 UTC+2:

> BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>> @TiddlyTweeter, I have changed the default so that it uses the websites 
>> *lang 
>> *attribute or the system-default language
>>
>
> Thanks for such a swift reply! 
> I'll test and report back if it don't work. I'm pretty sure it will since 
> you know what you doing, unlike me :-)
>
>  Best, TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[TiddlyTweeter]

BurningTreeC wrote:

> @TiddlyTweeter, I have changed the default so that it uses the websites *lang 
> *attribute or the system-default language
>

Thanks for such a swift reply! 
I'll test and report back if it don't work. I'm pretty sure it will since 
you know what you doing, unlike me :-)

 Best, TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[David Gifford]

I had a feeling someone might reference  2001. I just didn't realize how
appropriate the line in 2001 was. Good one Eric! :-)




On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:20 AM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
>
> - HAL9000
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet. I was poking at
>> the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got distracted enough to
>> came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback:
>>
>> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
>> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? Any
>> suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 'view'
>> link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the edit link.
>> But if I share online content this way, some might want to open a tiddler
>> to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff would
>> confuse them).
>> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays:
>> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
>> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[BurningTreeC]

@TiddlyTweeter, I have changed the default so that it uses the websites *lang 
*attribute or the system-default language


TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 15:17:22 UTC+2:

> BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>> Hi @TiddlyTweeter, we're working on making ANY API-supported language 
>> work.
>> We could imagine adding a tiddler $:/config/speech-to-text/language and 
>> users can set the text of that tiddler to en-US, de-DE or whatever they like
>>
>
> Sounds great!
>
> *Just FYI. A side point. *Whatever is going on in the background with the 
> API still slightly confuses me. Particularly on what version of the 
> (variant) language gets returned in text. For instance I'm testing on 
> Chrome and Windows tablets. Even though the default is *en-US* the 
> spellings that come back are IN *en-GB* (e.g. colour, not color; and 
> honour, not honor). I have NO idea where in the chain of things that 
> happens. It may be because I set machine & browser defaults to British 
> English and that interacts with the recognition somewhere?? 
> I should emphasise this it NOT a problem for me since I dominantly write 
> in British English. But it is a bit confusing! :-)
>
> Thank you!
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

[Eric Shulman]

"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

- HAL9000

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:09:21 AM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi everyone
>
> Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet. I was poking at 
> the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got distracted enough to 
> came up with this idea, somewhat similar:
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)
>
> I would appreciate feedback:
>
> 1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
> 2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? Any 
> suggestions?  (I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 'view' 
> link is necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the edit link. 
> But if I share online content this way, some might want to open a tiddler 
> to view it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff would 
> confuse them).
> 3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays: 
> caption field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
> 4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[TiddlyTweeter]

BurningTreeC wrote:

> Hi @TiddlyTweeter, we're working on making ANY API-supported language work.
> We could imagine adding a tiddler $:/config/speech-to-text/language and 
> users can set the text of that tiddler to en-US, de-DE or whatever they like
>

Sounds great!

*Just FYI. A side point. *Whatever is going on in the background with the 
API still slightly confuses me. Particularly on what version of the 
(variant) language gets returned in text. For instance I'm testing on 
Chrome and Windows tablets. Even though the default is *en-US* the 
spellings that come back are IN *en-GB* (e.g. colour, not color; and 
honour, not honor). I have NO idea where in the chain of things that 
happens. It may be because I set machine & browser defaults to British 
English and that interacts with the recognition somewhere?? 
I should emphasise this it NOT a problem for me since I dominantly write in 
British English. But it is a bit confusing! :-)

Thank you!
TT

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[tw5] Feedback desired for HAL macro

[David Gifford]

Hi everyone

Just got Pfizer shot #2 yesterday, and no reactions yet. I was poking at 
the fixes I need to do on the Subsume plugin, and got distracted enough to 
came up with this idea, somewhat similar:

https://giffmex.org/experiments/hal.macro.html (HAL = header and list)

I would appreciate feedback:

1. Is there a more concise / proper way to do the macro?
2. Do you think the link and edit icons are too annoying? Any suggestions?  
(I am on the fence about how they look and whether the 'view' link is 
necessary. If it were just for me, I would only have the edit link. But if 
I share online content this way, some might want to open a tiddler to view 
it, share a link it, print it, etc, and the edit stuff would confuse them).
3. Is there a way to set the list filter $view so that it displays: caption 
field if there is one, and title field if there is no caption?
4. Opinions: do you like it better with or without blurb field?

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[BurningTreeC]

Hi @TiddlyTweeter, we're working on making ANY API-supported language work.
We could imagine adding a tiddler $:/config/speech-to-text/language and 
users can set the text of that tiddler to en-US, de-DE or whatever they like

Some news from the front:
users can now define their own keywords, which means that they can add 
words to "Ok" and "Wiki" using a config tiddler - like "Pasta" for "Ok" and 
"Maccheroni" for "Wiki" ... then you can trigger the listening for commands 
using "Pasta Maccheroni"
users can now define their own actions triggered by voice-commands. See the 
actualized Usage section on https://speech-to-text.finnsoftware.net/

best wishes, BTC
TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 14:51:44 UTC+2:

> flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Strikke…, yes. Any language shown on the demo is theoretically be 
>> supported by the plug-in. I’m not sure if there is a Danish translation of 
>> TW. With my new idea to just use the TW language, there may be some 
>> limitation. 
>>
>
> Ciao Flanc ...
>
> After using this a few days I do think that being able to switch via *"OK 
> Wiki" to ANY API supported language would make good sense*.
>
> I don't see the need to limit the available recognitions to only languages 
> that TW has editions for. 
> WHY? Because it is often the case we use software in English UIs to do 
> things in other languages. 
> It is not an impediment to DICTATING to TRANSCRIPTION since the process is 
> self-contained and has no UI implications.
>
> FYI, if you limit language switch it to ONLY the TW Language Editions I 
> think you will get endless requests to add more! 
>
> For instance, I could, as I mentioned before, do with access to SLOVENIAN 
> recognition. :-)
>
> An opinion. 
> Best wishes 
> TT 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[TiddlyTweeter]

flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Strikke…, yes. Any language shown on the demo is theoretically be 
> supported by the plug-in. I’m not sure if there is a Danish translation of 
> TW. With my new idea to just use the TW language, there may be some 
> limitation. 
>

Ciao Flanc ...

After using this a few days I do think that being able to switch via *"OK 
Wiki" to ANY API supported language would make good sense*.

I don't see the need to limit the available recognitions to only languages 
that TW has editions for. 
WHY? Because it is often the case we use software in English UIs to do 
things in other languages. 
It is not an impediment to DICTATING to TRANSCRIPTION since the process is 
self-contained and has no UI implications.

FYI, if you limit language switch it to ONLY the TW Language Editions I 
think you will get endless requests to add more! 

For instance, I could, as I mentioned before, do with access to SLOVENIAN 
recognition. :-)

An opinion. 
Best wishes 
TT 

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[tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[TiddlyTweeter]

flanc...@gmail.com wrote (my emphasis):

> New idea I would like to share: Because of spoken commands in languages 
> other than English to
> change the language again, I believe a better method would be to allow the 
> plugin to get the current language of TW, and auto-default to that setting. 
> When the wiki language was changed, the plugin could also change.
>
> With this idea, English custom spoken commands would still be available.
>
> Let me know what you think!
>

Ciao Flanc...

I think that is a great approach!

Best
TT 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki functionality from within javascript macro

[BurningTreeC]

Hello, if I recall correctly you can filter tiddlers by 
$tw.wiki.filterTiddlers(<>);

As an example:

$tw.wiki.filterTiddlers("[list[$:/StoryList]tag[myTag]]");

best wishes, BTC
davou...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 12. August 2021 um 11:46:38 UTC+2:

> Is Tiddlywiki functionality, such as running filters, available from 
> within a javascript macro? I've found the code for $tw.utils and how you 
> can get access to a tiddler object via this.wiki.getTiddler(title). But I 
> haven't come across anything for using filters. Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki functionality from within javascript macro

[Louis Davout]

Never mind, I found it. this.wiki.filterTiddlers(filter)

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 5:46:38 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:

> Is Tiddlywiki functionality, such as running filters, available from 
> within a javascript macro? I've found the code for $tw.utils and how you 
> can get access to a tiddler object via this.wiki.getTiddler(title). But I 
> haven't come across anything for using filters. Thanks.
>

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[tw5] Tiddlywiki functionality from within javascript macro

[Louis Davout]

Is Tiddlywiki functionality, such as running filters, available from within 
a javascript macro? I've found the code for $tw.utils and how you can get 
access to a tiddler object via this.wiki.getTiddler(title). But I haven't 
come across anything for using filters. Thanks.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin: New Release 2.4.0

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Walt,

Thank you for your kind words and great to hear you like Shiraz!

The only dependency on TW 5.2.0 is the quick table (e.g. table-csv) so you
can use all features with 5.1.23 except quick table.
If you use table-csv  in 5.1.23, it will create the table, but the sort
function will not work as expected.
There is no risk of data loss.

By the way, as TW always recommends, take a full backup before using new
tools.

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:50 PM ludwa6  wrote:

> Congrats @Mohammad on this significant upgrade to a super-powerful
> plugin!  The documentation is exemplary (already was, in fact; now it's
> beyond compare), and the functionality it brings to styling of tiddlers
> -especially tables, now so easy to manipulate- is something i'm going to be
> using heavily for sure.
>
> Before i upgrade tho, i have to ask: Is Shiraz 2.4.0 fully compatible with
> TW 5.1.23, notwithstanding the dependency of "Quick tables" on TW 5.2.0?
> If we invoke some such dependent feature by accident, does it "fail
> gracefully," or is there a risk of data loss?
>
> (would also like to know -Quick tables feature being SO  very compelling-
> when TW 5.2 beta might be available to us non-dev users... But if you can't
> speak to that one, i understand :-)
>
> /walt
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:43:21 AM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Shiraz plugin has just got a new update!
>>
>> The major change is the addition of new *QUICK TABLE* (e.g.
>> automatically create table from csv data)
>> For video tutorial see:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/RUyQNJ_wpCc/m/odOFkGW2BAAJ
>>
>> A comprehensive documentation was also added, see Shiraz Tutorial / Quick
>> Table on https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
>>
>> Shiraz is a small framework of stylesheets, templates and macros to
>> create stylish contents in Tiddlywiki. Shiraz has customized elements like
>> alerts, cards, panels, images, *static tables*, *dynamic tables*, *quick
>> tables,* badges, texts, etc. Shiraz uses some modified CSS classes from
>> Bootstrap 4.3.1.
>>
>> Code and demo
>>
>>- Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
>>- Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>
>> *It is highly recommended to backup your data before trying any new
>> plugin! Do it before installing shiraz*.
>> *Quick tables in Shiraz depends on new features in Tiddlywiki 5.2.0
>> (https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease )*
>>
>> If you like it star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin: New Release 2.4.0

[ludwa6]

Congrats @Mohammad on this significant upgrade to a super-powerful plugin!  
The documentation is exemplary (already was, in fact; now it's beyond 
compare), and the functionality it brings to styling of tiddlers 
-especially tables, now so easy to manipulate- is something i'm going to be 
using heavily for sure.

Before i upgrade tho, i have to ask: Is Shiraz 2.4.0 fully compatible with 
TW 5.1.23, notwithstanding the dependency of "Quick tables" on TW 5.2.0?  
If we invoke some such dependent feature by accident, does it "fail 
gracefully," or is there a risk of data loss? 

(would also like to know -Quick tables feature being SO  very compelling- 
when TW 5.2 beta might be available to us non-dev users... But if you can't 
speak to that one, i understand :-)

/walt
On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 8:43:21 AM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> Shiraz plugin has just got a new update!
>
> The major change is the addition of new *QUICK TABLE* (e.g. automatically 
> create table from csv data)
> For video tutorial see: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/RUyQNJ_wpCc/m/odOFkGW2BAAJ
>
> A comprehensive documentation was also added, see Shiraz Tutorial / Quick 
> Table on https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
>
> Shiraz is a small framework of stylesheets, templates and macros to create 
> stylish contents in Tiddlywiki. Shiraz has customized elements like alerts, 
> cards, panels, images, *static tables*, *dynamic tables*, *quick tables,* 
> badges, texts, etc. Shiraz uses some modified CSS classes from Bootstrap 
> 4.3.1.
>
> Code and demo
>
>- Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
>- Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>
> *It is highly recommended to backup your data before trying any new 
> plugin! Do it before installing shiraz*.
> *Quick tables in Shiraz depends on new features in Tiddlywiki 5.2.0 
> (https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease )*
>
> If you like it star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Shiraz Plugin: New Release 2.4.0

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Shiraz plugin has just got a new update!

The major change is the addition of new *QUICK TABLE* (e.g. automatically
create table from csv data)
For video tutorial see:
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/RUyQNJ_wpCc/m/odOFkGW2BAAJ

A comprehensive documentation was also added, see Shiraz Tutorial / Quick
Table on https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz

Shiraz is a small framework of stylesheets, templates and macros to create
stylish contents in Tiddlywiki. Shiraz has customized elements like alerts,
cards, panels, images, *static tables*, *dynamic tables*, *quick tables,*
badges, texts, etc. Shiraz uses some modified CSS classes from Bootstrap
4.3.1.

Code and demo

   - Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
   - Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz

*It is highly recommended to backup your data before trying any new plugin!
Do it before installing shiraz*.
*Quick tables in Shiraz depends on new features in Tiddlywiki 5.2.0
(https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease )*

If you like it star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz


Best wishes
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Save to Github -- I keep getting "Error while saving: XMLHttpRequest error code: 404"

[PMario]

Hi, 
The only thing, that need to be checked for the access-token to save TW is 
as follows. Nothing else is needed and shouldn't be assigned. 

[image: github-token-save.gif]

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Better indexes through semantic modeling

[PMario]

On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 1:31:00 AM UTC+2 springer wrote:

> Soren,
>
> In your "better indexes" essay you write:
> If we do have the full text included in each locus, we may want to write a 
> summary anyway and store it along with the full text: this way, we’ll be 
> able to create an outline later and more easily see what parts of the 
> document we’re hopping between.
>
> And it reminds me how certain enlightenment texts were printed with a 
> running outer-margin summary distilling key points (and of course the 
> cognitive work of spelling out those side-notes is considerable!). For 
> example, see the side-notes starting at p 49 (pdf-pagination) on this Adam 
> Smith manuscript: 
> https://oll-resources.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/oll3/store/titles/237/0206-01_Bk.pdf
>
> For some tiddlywiki projects, I've started to employ a super-condensed 
> summary field (call it, say, the tldr field) that can be displayed for 
> certain purposes. Unlike the main body of the tiddler, the tldr is 
> text-only, maximum of a single sentence. (And if I can't summarize the 
> tiddler in one sentence, then it needs to be more than one tiddler. ;) ) Of 
> course, the fact that tw's standard search interface doesn't peek beyond 
> title and text field means this solution requires some building-around to 
> be useful. 
>

As I did read that section, I did think in a similar direction. I was 
thinking about a "teaser" text that is shown in "Blog overview listings". 
Sometimes it's the first paragraph of the text itself and sometimes it is a 
short summary, that comes later in the text. 

--

I did create a field-search plugin, that lets you configure additional 
fields that are shown in the search results. See: 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/field-search/

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Using <$list> widget to generate table rows

[TW Tones]

I see you were talking to yourself, 

Are you fine now?

Personally I prefer using the html table tags especially when I use a list 
inside the table to generate rows and another for columns.

Regards
Tones

On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 07:02:44 UTC+10 davou...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well this works:
>
> \define davout-list(levels: "1,3,5")
> 
> LevelBlah
> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
> <> Blah
> 
> 
> \end
> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 9:53:34 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:
>
>> \define davout-list(levels: "1,3,5")
>> | ! Level | ! Blah |
>> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
>>
>> | <> | Blah |
>>
>> 
>> \end 
>>
>> Removes the  tags but makes each row into its own table.
>>
>> On Monday, August 9, 2021 at 9:46:15 AM UTC-4 Louis Davout wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to use the <$list> widget generate table rows. One is this 
>>> even possible. Two How? Here is simplified version of code I've tried. 
>>>
>>> \define davout-list(levels: "1,3,5")
>>> | ! Level | ! Blah |
>>> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
>>> | <> | Blah |
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> \define davout-list2(levels: "1,3,5")
>>> | ! Level | ! Blah |
>>> <$list filter="[[$levels$]split[,]]" variable="level">
>>> | <> | Blah |
>>> <$wikify name=wikifiedRow text=| <> | Blah |>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> The html it generates:
>>>  Level>> align="center"> Blah
>>> | 1 | Blah |
>>>
>>> | 3 | Blah |
>>>
>>> | 5 | Blah |
>>>  Level>> align="center"> Blah
>>> | 1 | Blah |
>>>  | Blah |
>>> |
>>>
>>>
>>> | 3 | Blah |
>>>  | Blah |
>>> |
>>>
>>>
>>> | 5 | Blah |
>>>  | Blah |
>>> |
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> It's closing the table and generating  tags.
>>> -
>>> A more general question. It's been stated that macros are text 
>>> substitution not functions that return a value. And they don't "evaluate". 
>>> I've seen first hand they don't return a value, but they do seem to at 
>>> least execute some code. For example they do call other macros:
>>>
>>> \define a()
>>> <>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> \define b(where)
>>> $where$
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> produces:
>>> here
>>>
>>> So what are the rules for what macros will and will not "execute"?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Add items to a running tiddler

[TW Tones]

Best of luck with the covid-19, 

In Australia if you get a test because you were a close or casual contact 
with Covid you have to self isolate until you get the result (24-48 hours 
max). Ee would not be allowed (with some special exceptions) to go to work 
today. Be carful.

Today I proudly got my second Astra-Zeneca after apparently the ideal 12 
weeks and I hope to get a booster from an RNA vaccine in the next 6-12 
months

Then perhaps we can visit France again, and isolate at home on our return, 
if necessary.

It is a curse to say "may you live in interesting times".

Tones


On Wednesday, 11 August 2021 at 12:46:25 UTC+10 anarchoNerd wrote:

> That's awesome, thank you. I only have a very very basic understanding of 
> javascript and want to learn, so I'm going to try and understand this as I 
> implement it, so it may be a bit. I'll let you know once I get it up and 
> running. Unfortunately both my son and I were exposed to covid over the 
> weekend and we're waiting on test results, so I'm off work and have some 
> extra time. I'll start looking at it tonight and may have it figured out by 
> tomorrow. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 5:52:41 PM UTC-7 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 4:22:31 PM UTC-7 anarchoNerd wrote:
>>
>>> Here is an example of what my *Commands learned* header looks like 
>>> right now:
>>>
>> ...
>>>
>> I would like to automatically add each one to a separate tiddler (and 
>>> auto sort them if possible) so that all commands can be accessed in one 
>>> place, while also remaining in their original tiddler.
>>>
>>
>> Try this:
>> 1) First, create a tiddler (e.g., "CommandListMacros") tagged with 
>> $:/tags/Macro, containing this macro definition:
>> \define addToList(tid)
>> <$vars lf="
>> ">
>> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible" style="text-align:left;" actions="""
>><$set name="lines" filter="[[$tid$]get[text]splitregexp[\n]]">
>>   <$action-setfield $tiddler="$tid$" text={{{ 
>> [enlistsort[]join] }}} />
>>""">
>>
>> !!$tid$:
>> <>
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$tid$" text={{{ 
>> [{$tid$!!text}addsuffixaddsuffix] }}}/>
>> 
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> 2) Then, create a tiddler containing the following content:
>> \define commands()
>> * ''whoami'' - Prints current username.
>> * ''clear (ctrl l)'' - Clears terminal.
>> * ''adduser'' - *requires sudo* Adds new user.
>> * ''which'' - Prints directory which command binaries are being used 
>> from. 
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> In the macro tiddler:
>> * The addToList() macro presents a $button that shows the title of the 
>> target tiddler as a heading, followed by the list of commands
>> * $vars lf="..." defines a literal newline character
>> * Note that the blank line before the "!!$tid$" is necessary so that the 
>> heading is rendered properly using "block mode"
>> * The primary $action-setfield appends the commands to the text of the 
>> target tiddler, separated from existing content by a newline
>> * After adding the commands to the target tiddler, the $button then 
>> invokes the actions="""...""" as a secondary action
>> * This secondary action reads the contents of the now updated target 
>> tiddler, splitting them into separate lines
>> * It then enlists and sorts those lines, joins them back together, and 
>> writes it back to the target tiddler
>> * Note that the enlist filter operator removes any duplicate 
>> lines, so it won't matter if you click the addToList button multiple times
>>
>> In the content tiddler:
>> * First, define the list of commands as a local macro named "commands"
>> * Then, invoke the <> macro to display that command list with 
>> the $button surrounding it
>> * When you click on the displayed command list (or the heading), the 
>> commands are added to the target tiddler and sorted into place.  Q.E.D.
>>
>> Let me know how it goes...
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Help please for indicators in SideBar

[TW Tones]

Télumire

I just tried this on tiddlywiki.com;

Thanks, we are almost there.

I set the width and height to 15px, look like I wanted then added 
list-before = $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs

Once it moves above the tabs there is too much white space above and below

[image: Snag_1f281978.png]

Is there some way to remove or reduce this space top and bottom?

Regards
Tones


On Thursday, 12 August 2021 at 12:07:40 UTC+10 Télumire wrote:

> So if I understand correctly, you want to be able to give a custom size 
> to your icons/buttons and be able to have them next to each other ?
>
> Try this and tell me if that works :
>
> In the tiddler tagged with $:/tags/SideBarSegment : 
>
> \whitespace trim
> 
> {{button 1}}
> 
> ..etc..
> 
> {{button n}} 
>  
>
> In a stylesheet tiddler :
>
> .indicator{
> height:20px;
> width:20px;
> display:inline-block;
> position:relative;
> }
>
> .indicator button, .indicator button * {
> width:100%!important;
> height:100%!important;
> padding:unset;
> margin:unset;
> display:inline-block;
> position:absolute;
> left:0;
> top:0;
> }
> Le jeudi 12 août 2021 à 02:42:42 UTC+2, TW Tones a écrit :
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have a number of projects that could use icons placed in the sidebar, 
>> top menu and other places. They would indicate some status such as a green 
>> storage icon when the local storage is on and much more. I call these 
>> indicators, They may have tooltips or actions on click, with or without 
>> modifier keys. 
>>
>> I have attempted to build a new element tagged $:/tags/SideBarSegment and 
>> list-before $:/core/ui/SideBarSegments/tabs
>>
>> The problem I have for for which I seek help is I am finding it difficult 
>> to reduce icons and buttons to a half height and not have unnecessary white 
>> space above and below the indicators. Margins, padding tweeks etc... have 
>> not succeeded. We may use existing buttons and create new ones, the idea is 
>> it provides additional place(s) for which we can display content via a tag, 
>> so if I publish an indicator and you do the same they can coexist.
>>
>> I would hope to publish this to set a de facto standard, say using the 
>> tag $:/tags/indicator so we can all add additional and conditional iconised 
>> information in the sideBar and elsewhere as desired. 
>>
>> Can anyone help me build this with custom css to minimise its use of 
>> space? Ideally customisable.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Save to Github -- I keep getting "Error while saving: XMLHttpRequest error code: 404"

[Pum Walters]

OK Guys. Thank you for your perseverance! I did as you suggested, typing 
everything instead of cut-and-past, and used a new Personal key (gist, 
notifications, repo) and now it worked.
*Thanks again!*


On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 11:19:50 PM UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:

> Type over the path as well. At least in the past it was a phantom. That 
> is, you had to physically type it in even though it appeared to already be 
> filled in.
>
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 12:25:56 PM UTC-7 pum.w...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> No luck. I tried main and tried retyping it.
>> Note that the only branch is in fact master; I'm not sure why, given the 
>> link you gave. I created the repo today.
>>
>> To be sure: what I should do is adapt these settings in 
>> ControlPanel/Saving/Github Saver, and then hit save (Ⓥ), right?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 4:14:27 PM UTC+2 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 6:34:57 AM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Where it says "master" for branch, try removing that text and typing it 
 back in manually.

 On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 3:32:03 PM UTC+2 pum.w...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Just installed 5.1.23 in a fresh github repo (Pumpapa/
> pumpapa.github.io)


>>> As of Oct 1, 2020, all new GitHub repositories will use "main" instead 
>>> of "master"
>>>   (see https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/10/github-main-branch/)
>>>
>>> So, try setting the "Target branch for saving" to "main" instead of 
>>> "master"
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
>>>

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