date:20171018

Arlen,

My mistake, a typo fooled me, however I  currently map a network location 
\\studio8d\intranet\TW5 Intranet, to the I: drive 

The Settings.json file reads
"C:": "C:\\",
"I:": "I:\\",

Is there away to specify the network share directly?

So, My Idea was to open a TiddlyServer address in an iframe and use the 
items there to drag and drop items into my current wiki, 

however your tip

*You can drag a link to a Tiddler into your bookmarks as a bookmarklet and 
then drag it into another Tiddlywiki to import the tiddler. *

does not apply to items in the tiddly server file and folder list, and 
sadly not even an iframe with file:///i://

In fact dragging from / to bookmarks is only giving me a link to the file, 
not the contents..

I mistakenly Attributed the tip also to tiddly server - oops.

Regards
Tony



On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 1:14:55 PM UTC+11, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Any folder may contain any file types and you can open any of them. The 
> only purpose the types object serves is to determine the icon used in the 
> directory listing. The icons are found in *assets/icons/files*. Also, you 
> cannot specify a property with the same name twice in a JSON object. Just 
> include the new types object containing all the data in one object.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Arlen
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:30 PM, TonyM  > wrote:
>
>> Arlen,
>>
>> In tiddlyserver is it possible to add to the types in the settings.json 
>> file? It did not work for me
>>
>> "types":{
>> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
>> },
>>
>> "types":{
>> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
>> "jsonfile": ["json"]
>> "tidfile": ["tid"]
>> },
>>
>> The answer to this may help me extend the trick you just shared!
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tony
>>
>> So that one can browse to a folder containing these?
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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.9

2017-10-18 Thread James A Bernard

Hey kelsang,
How did you get it working?
I'm running debian (similar to Mint) and nw file doesn't do anything!
Cheers

On Thursday, 19 October 2017 01:14:16 UTC+11, kelsang sherab wrote:
>
> Ahh my mistake.
> I went into tthe tidllywiki folder in the tiddlydesktop folder instead of 
> simply running the nw file in the tiddlydesktop folder.
>
> apologies for not getting it right.
>
> TD works now and I have created my first TW file on it 
>
> I need to work out what the TW on Node.js is but that'll probably come 
> with time.
>
> many thanks for your hard work
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 2:15:38 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> On Linux mint 18.2 I followed the insturctions in the readme.md and 
>> things seemed to be going well but then :
>>
>> Except not. lol.
>>
>> Attached is  screenshot of my terminal
>>
>> What am i doing wrong?
>>
>>
>> It looks like maybe you don’t have node.js installed properly. Visit 
>> https://nodejs.org/en/ to install it.Î
>>
>> But the screenshot shows the steps for installing TiddlyWiki itself, not 
>> those for installing TiddlyDesktop.
>>
>> Are you trying to install TiddlyWiki under Node.js, or are you trying to 
>> install TiddlyDesktop?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 9:16:13 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m happy to announce a new release of TiddlyDesktop, including new 
>>> features that support creating external attachments via drag and drop — in 
>>> other words, it lets you drag a .JPG file into your TiddlyWiki and have it 
>>> appear as a tiddler with a _canonical_uri field pointing to the original 
>>> file.
>>>
>>> I’ve had reservations about TiddlyDesktop for some time: particularly 
>>> that the understandable pressure from users to make it as good as 
>>> commercial browsers would become a Sisyphean task. Things change; like many 
>>> others, I’ve been relying on TiddlyFox for all my personal work with 
>>> Dropbox-based single file TiddlyWikis on my Mac. With its demise I plan to 
>>> switch to TiddlyDesktop; if it works out, it should help encourage me to 
>>> keep it up to date :)
>>>
>>> This release is mainly about integrating the latest version of the 
>>> underlying NW.js platform. Significant changes to the code were required 
>>> because of many deep changes in NW.js itself. New features include:
>>>
>>> • Latest Chromium features (e.g. integrated PDF viewer)
>>> • Resolves bugs related to window positioning (e.g. quitting while 
>>> windows are minimised) by using NW.js new built-in window handling
>>> • Updated visual appearance for the main toolbar
>>> • New, more distinctive application icon
>>>
>>> You can download the new release here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases/tag/v0.0.9
>>>
>>> As usual, please exercise caution when upgrading: take careful backups 
>>> and don’t rely on it for anything important until you’ve tested things 
>>> thoroughly.
>>>
>>> The support for external attachments takes the form of a new plugin on 
>>> the TiddlyWiki side. I did it this way around because the external 
>>> attachment support isn’t actually dependent upon TiddlyDesktop — it will 
>>> work with any browser environment that provides a “path” property with the 
>>> “File” object created during drag-and-drop operations. There are no such 
>>> alternatives right now, but it gives us room to get things working on 
>>> platforms such as Quine on iOS.
>>>
>>> The new plugin is included in the latest 5.1.15-prerelease:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fexternal-attachments
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>> Note that the plugin requires the matching version of the core to 
>>> operate properly; it can’t be used with older versions of TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> Feedback and questions are welcome,
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.9

Jeremy,

Looking good so far.  I am looking into some opportunities and may have 
some questions later, however one cosmetic problem is my TWC is displaying 
differently on TiddlyDesktop. Is there a font issue at play?

as it appears in TiddlyDesktop


When it should appear




Thanks in Advance
Tony

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Re: [tw] Re: Tiddlers as Bookmarklets!!!

Any folder may contain any file types and you can open any of them. The
only purpose the types object serves is to determine the icon used in the
directory listing. The icons are found in *assets/icons/files*. Also, you
cannot specify a property with the same name twice in a JSON object. Just
include the new types object containing all the data in one object.

Hope that helps,
Arlen

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> Arlen,
>
> In tiddlyserver is it possible to add to the types in the settings.json
> file? It did not work for me
>
> "types":{
> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
> },
>
> "types":{
> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
> "jsonfile": ["json"]
> "tidfile": ["tid"]
> },
>
> The answer to this may help me extend the trick you just shared!
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
> So that one can browse to a folder containing these?
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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki and Git

2017-10-18 Thread jwd

It was the issues with git merge conflicts between single TiddlyWiki HTML
files that pushed me over the edge to adopting the node.js / single file
per tiddler approach and subsequently the TiddlyServer wrapper around that.

If your goal is sharing and synchronizing TW contents made on different,
disconnected platforms I was unable to find another, easier way.

I've also found that, for a subset of tiddlers that I want to 'share'
between two or more TiddlyWikis, the includeWikis capability of
tiddlywiki.info works well for me. I have work, home, and a few other
wikis, for example, all in a git repo. Changes I've made to TiddlyWiki
configuration itself I keep in a sibling, Common TiddlyWiki tiddler
collections; that I include in the sibling wikis via

"includeWikis": [
"../Common",
],

That way I make the configuration change once and, on a node.js /
TiddlyServer restart (and browser refresh), they all get the same
configuration. If its something new I'll try it in one wiki and, once I'm
satisfied, shuffle the tiddler file from its original wiki into the Common
collection as part of git repo management.

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

BJ,

Please let me know when it works with Windows.

I have used symbolic links successfully recently an have some implement-ion 
ideas.

Tony

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[tw] Re: Tiddlers as Bookmarklets!!!

Arlen,

In tiddlyserver is it possible to add to the types in the settings.json 
file? It did not work for me

"types":{
"htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
},

"types":{
"htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
"jsonfile": ["json"]
"tidfile": ["tid"]
},

The answer to this may help me extend the trick you just shared!

Thanks
Tony

So that one can browse to a folder containing these?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Cannot save changes

2017-10-18 Thread Birthe C

Hi Andrew,

Open controlpanel, saving, TiddlySpot Saver and check you have the correct 
password for your tiddlyspot.


Hope you will be enjoying TW5,
Birthe


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[tw] Re: Firefox will not doom TiddlyWiki

Arlen,

Nice capture of the "state of play", and putting paid to possible negative 
sentiments. Personally I am pissed off with FireFox because I have key 
plugins and Tools I have used for some time, and their increased security 
is not something I need, given my own security hygiene. But I am a tart and 
use any browser as I need. I think It is all the people who click on "your 
computer has a virus" popups in browser windows, that we have to thank for 
increased browser security.

As you highlighted part of the issue is the complexity of options. Even 
once you implement one little things differentiate them. I cant seem to get 
store PHP running, and in TiddlyServer I randomly loose the last tiddler 
because of a "412" error (Which I have not tried to diagnose yet.

As I raised previously we need a large table with hosting options and the 
features issues and architecture to help people navigate the complexity and 
we need to set some clear guidance to users who do not care to read that 
table.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 1:21:41 AM UTC+11, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Neither will Chrome. Neither will any other browser existing or not 
> existing or changing. I know a lot of discussion has happened in relation 
> to that, but I just want to let you all know how it looks from my 
> perspective. 
>
> TiddlyWiki gives me the peace of mind that I'm not tied to any one browser 
> or software company. I use data folders, which stores the tiddlers as raw 
> wikitext in the file system. If I ever need to read them as a text file, I 
> can easily do that. Single file wikis would be the same, although you have 
> to look through 1.5+ MB of code to find the wiki store, but definitely 
> doable and a necessary inconvenience. Of course, I can also load it in any 
> modern browser and expect it to work exactly as it always did as far as 
> rendering and reading is concerned.
>
> First of all, there is TiddlyServer. I have loaded data folders for a long 
> time, but this was the first time I made something this dynamic. At the 
> same time, I made it to fit my use case, which is something of a data 
> power-user. I accumulate loads of notes and need someway to store and 
> categorize them. I like data folders, and needed something like the Node 
> server command, but which allowed static files to be served as well.
>
> Before TiddlyServer, I used Electron and a simple saver script that I 
> wrote very similar to TiddlyChrome or TiddlyFox. That worked very well and 
> I stored everything on Dropbox in single file wikis. I still use Dropbox, 
> but found myself quickly switching to data folders once I discovered how 
> easy TiddlyServer actually made things.
>
> There is also TiddlyDesktop. It is built on NodeWebkit, but as far as the 
> end user is concerned, it could also be build on Electron. Even if 
> NodeWebkit goes away, Electron is a very active project used by several 
> very popular source code editors and maintained by Github. I don't think it 
> is going to disappear any time soon.
>
> It would not be hard for me to port Tiddlyserver to Electron to turn it 
> into another TiddlyDesktop. I could still allow access over the network. 
> That, I'm guessing, is on the roadmap, but it's still a little ways away.
>
> *We still have TiddlyChrome until next spring. *
>
> Every browser that supports extensions would have some way of saving 
> directly in the browser if you install a native application on your 
> computer that would communicate with the extension. This seems feasible to 
> me because installing an extension is also computer specific.
>
> There are creative ways of using the download saver along with shell 
> scripts to do various things. 
>
> Several users are working on various ways to use WebDAV to save TiddlyWiki 
> on Apache and IIS. We have store.php which does basically the same thing if 
> you have PHP enabled on the web server. 
>
> Saving used to be a lot more browser-specific. Each browser had its own 
> method of doing things. Five has made things a lot more equal and taken out 
> a lot of the guess work and hassle of hacking the core code. If there is a 
> different way of saving, you just write a new saver and drop it into your 
> wiki.
>
> It is a hassle to work through all the different options available to us 
> and figure out which ones are user-friendly and simple. I think that is 
> what is creating all the discussion about Firefox. We have a plethora of 
> options available, it's just that the one some of us like best is going 
> away. I barely ever use Firefox, and therefore hardly ever use TiddlyFox. 
> So I am not affected by it as a user, and I'm sure there are others. 
>
> It has come to my attention very strongly, however, as the developer of 
> TiddlyServer, because suddenly there is a lot of interest in it. It was 
> primarily built to allow someone to load multiple data folders (which have 
> nothing to do with TiddlyFox and are always browser agnostic)

[tw] Re: Tiddlers as Bookmarklets!!!

Arlen

,Nice discovery, may even be a reason to use FireFoxe's side bar, allowing 
drag left and drop, and the side bar stays open while navigating 
TiddlyWikis on the righ.

I wonder how much I will use it

Tony

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 1:22:55 AM UTC+11, Arlen Beiler wrote:
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> Hey!!! Just made a discovery. You can drag a link to a Tiddler into your 
> bookmarks as a bookmarklet and then drag it into another Tiddlywiki to 
> import the tiddler. 
>
> Hot off the press, 
> Arlen
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[tw] Re: How to add button to Edit Widget?

2017-10-18 Thread Birthe C

Stephen Kimmel created quite a collection http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/


Birthe

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[tw] N00b question re: saving

2017-10-18 Thread hubertgk

Hi all,

Please excuse my ignorance, this is a noob question and I could not find a 
satisfactory answer elsewhere.

There's been lot of discussion going on recently about the way that future 
updates to FF and Chrome may break saving in TiddlyWiki. At the same time, 
workarounds and solutions are being offered to make TiddlyWiki 
'future-proof'.

However, my question is very basic: will these updates that are the subject 
of so much doom and gloom actually break the functionality of saving 
changes to the wiki and downloading the TW5 as a new file (also doable 
using the widget message tm-save-wiki)? If yes, this is profound and 
potentially existential. If not, then what exactly are we going to lose 
(except for convenience)?

Thanks in advance for enlightening me and again apologies for my ignorance.

Best,


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[tw] How to add button to Edit Widget?

2017-10-18 Thread Andrew Shmelev




Hello. How to customize Edit Widget and add to its toolbar new botton? 
Where should I make edits? Any sample or tutorial appreciated. Thanks.

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

For the real nitty-gritty...

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager#Accessing_the_Profile_Manager

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-5, coda coder wrote:
>
> Yes.  I use 55, 56 and 58.
>
> You may want to setup different profiles for each.  
>
>
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles?redirectlocale=en-US=Managing+profiles
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:15:00 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Can I install 57 without over-writing 56?
>>
>> Mark
>>
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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

2017-10-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Can I install 57 without over-writing 56?

Mark

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[tw] Re: Reveal widget with nonempty field

2017-10-18 Thread Diego Mesa

Thanks Mario! You're the best! 

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> Hi Diego, 
>
> See attachment and only import: aka-macros
>
> -m
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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

Unfortunately there is no way around saving under the download dir. You can 
use symbolic links to move the effective location of the files. 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 10:35:46 PM UTC+2, Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>
> Hello BJ,
>
> I just test it on a fresh Mac 10.11.6 with Firefox Beta 57, follow up 
> step, and it's promising :) It's great to see popin saver and the backup 
> file too !
>
> Thanks for sharing, and hope to see a clean FF 57 compliant.
>
> Do you think we will limited to download directory ?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Sylvain
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[tw] Re: Reveal widget with nonempty field

Hi Diego, 

See attachment and only import: aka-macros

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aka-macros-v2.json
Description: application/json

[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

I would only try this with the ff 57 beta. I tried with ff 49 and it did 
not work. You would need to disable the tiddlyfox extension if you want to 
try in earlier versions.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 9:55:12 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Is this supposed to work *with* the existing firefox extension? Or should 
> that be removed and/or disabled?
>
> In your instructions, for the FF people you should state that you need to 
> load the manifest file. There's nothing in the directory that clearly looks 
> like an extension.
>
> Thank you,
> Mark
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>
>> HI Mark, 
>> I've added some more details to the install instructions
>>
>> BJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 8:27:44 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> What exactly are we supposed to download? There's no release copy that I 
>>> can see, and the extensions directory has multiple js files.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-7, BJ wrote:

 HI All,

 I have build a (basic) saver that allows TWs to be saved in a subdir to 
 the download dir, with some other minor restrictions. This is of course 
 very restricting, however it allows saving to be similar to using 
 tiddlyfox 
 (it allows backups), and allows TWs to be moved out of the main part of 
 the 
 download directory, into a tree of subdirs.

 A proof of concept is here: https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlysaver.  It 
 is not tested so DO NOT USE ON LIVE TWs, however feedback would be useful.

 I have only tried this on xubuntu 14.04

 Cheers

 BJ

>>>
>>>
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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

2017-10-18 Thread Sylvain Naudin

Hello BJ,

I just test it on a fresh Mac 10.11.6 with Firefox Beta 57, follow up step, 
and it's promising :) It's great to see popin saver and the backup file too 
!

Thanks for sharing, and hope to see a clean FF 57 compliant.

Do you think we will limited to download directory ?


Cheers,
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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 9:55:12 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:

> Is this supposed to work *with* the existing firefox extension? Or should 
> that be removed and/or disabled?
>

IMO it will be a replacement, once FF57 is out. I'm pretty sure it causes 
problems, if you use TiddlyFox and this one together. 
 

> In your instructions, for the FF people you should state that you need to 
> load the manifest file.
>

IMO this is only important for devs and alpha testers atm, since the plugin 
is gone when the browser is closed. 

-m

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[tw] Re: Reveal widget with nonempty field

2017-10-18 Thread Diego Mesa

Thanks for the reply and your continued hard work Mario! I went ahead and 
installed your macros and have been testing them out. Frequently I use 
things like:

<>'s papers

which now renders as: Tom 's papers (Note the space between Tom and the ' 
character). Is this an easy edit? 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 7:51:16 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mario - I just wasn't sure if once bundled it would be more of a 
>> package which is easier to install and uninstall.  
>>
>
> At the moment it's easier to tweak, since all the files are visible. ... 
> and you can easily delete the test-tiddlers. 
>
> You just need to keep: 
>
> aka-footer ... footer template, that contains a refined version of Jed's 
> footer code
> aka-macros ... 3 macros ... refined, but based on Mark's code
> alias-list ... tiddler linked list + all aliases 
>
>
>
> Once it is a plugin, all the files will be shadow tiddlers, that are "kind 
> of" hidden. And getting the docs and edition right will be more work then 
> the functionality itself.  
> That's why there is no timeline. 
>
> -m
>
>

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

I use a symbolic link to my files, I have not tried just the backup but it 
should work I think.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 7:58:16 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
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> Hi BJ, 
>
> Does it work with FF57? Did you test, if it's possible to symlink the 
> backup directory out of the "downloads folder"?
>
> -m
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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

I think you are correct that each profile has its own config data.

At the moment I have put in a separate dir for backups, there could be an 
option to put backdirs where each TW is.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 8:15:23 PM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>
> Hi BJ
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:11:24 PM UTC-5, BJ wrote:
>>
>> HI All,
>>
>> I have build a (basic) saver that allows TWs to be saved in a subdir to 
>> the download dir, with some other minor restrictions. This is of course 
>> very restricting, however it allows saving to be similar to using tiddlyfox 
>> (it allows backups), and allows TWs to be moved out of the main part of the 
>> download directory, into a tree of subdirs.
>>
>>
> If user were to use firefox profiles - one profile per TW - then the 
> saving location can be set on a per TW basis, anywhere you want.  Right?
>

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[tw] Re: Reveal widget with nonempty field

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 7:51:16 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Thanks Mario - I just wasn't sure if once bundled it would be more of a 
> package which is easier to install and uninstall.  
>

At the moment it's easier to tweak, since all the files are visible. ... 
and you can easily delete the test-tiddlers. 

You just need to keep: 

aka-footer ... footer template, that contains a refined version of Jed's 
footer code
aka-macros ... 3 macros ... refined, but based on Mark's code
alias-list ... tiddler linked list + all aliases 

Once it is a plugin, all the files will be shadow tiddlers, that are "kind 
of" hidden. And getting the docs and edition right will be more work then 
the functionality itself.  
That's why there is no timeline. 

-m

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

HI Mark, 
I've added some more details to the install instructions

BJ

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 8:27:44 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> What exactly are we supposed to download? There's no release copy that I 
> can see, and the extensions directory has multiple js files.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>
>> HI All,
>>
>> I have build a (basic) saver that allows TWs to be saved in a subdir to 
>> the download dir, with some other minor restrictions. This is of course 
>> very restricting, however it allows saving to be similar to using tiddlyfox 
>> (it allows backups), and allows TWs to be moved out of the main part of the 
>> download directory, into a tree of subdirs.
>>
>> A proof of concept is here: https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlysaver.  It 
>> is not tested so DO NOT USE ON LIVE TWs, however feedback would be useful.
>>
>> I have only tried this on xubuntu 14.04
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> BJ
>>
>
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki and Git

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 7:23:33 PM UTC+2, Derek Mahar wrote:
>
> How difficult is it typically to resolve merge conflicts between two 
> TiddlyWiki HTML files?  I'm considering using TiddlyWiki, Nginx, Git, and 
> SSH to share and synchronise my TiddlyWiki notes.
>

As Rob wrote, that's probably not the best way to go. 

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 8:15:23 PM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>
> If user were to use firefox profiles - one profile per TW - then the 
> saving location can be set on a per TW basis, anywhere you want.  Right?
>

No only directories relative to the "default download directory" are 
possible. see: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API/downloads/download

When I get it working, I'll test, if it follows sym-links in windows. 

-m

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 8:27:44 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
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> What exactly are we supposed to download? There's no release copy that I 
> can see, and the extensions directory has multiple js files.
>

You need to download everything. 

In FF you need to import the manifest.json file. ... BUT ... It doesn't 
work on windows systems atm, because the path.separators are wrong there. 

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

Hi BJ

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:11:24 PM UTC-5, BJ wrote:
>
> HI All,
>
> I have build a (basic) saver that allows TWs to be saved in a subdir to 
> the download dir, with some other minor restrictions. This is of course 
> very restricting, however it allows saving to be similar to using tiddlyfox 
> (it allows backups), and allows TWs to be moved out of the main part of the 
> download directory, into a tree of subdirs.
>
>
If user were to use firefox profiles - one profile per TW - then the saving 
location can be set on a per TW basis, anywhere you want.  Right?

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

Hi BJ, 

Does it work with FF57? Did you test, if it's possible to symlink the 
backup directory out of the "downloads folder"?

-m

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[tw] Re: Reveal widget with nonempty field

2017-10-18 Thread Diego Mesa

Thanks Mario - I just wasn't sure if once bundled it would be more of a 
package which is easier to install and uninstall.  

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:45:25 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:59:41 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Thank you mario and everyone else who has helped in this thread! I look 
>> forward to downloading the "official" macros plugin from you site. 
>>
>
> Just to be sure. Have you seen the downloadable attachment from my prior 
> post?
> IMO there is no need to wait for the final plugin. 
>
> -m
>
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[tw] Re: Reveal widget with nonempty field

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:59:41 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Thank you mario and everyone else who has helped in this thread! I look 
> forward to downloading the "official" macros plugin from you site. 
>

Just to be sure. Have you seen the downloadable attachment from my prior 
post?
IMO there is no need to wait for the final plugin. 

-m

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

2017-10-18 Thread Lost Admin

I can't currently find what I was reading that showed me that HEAD gets an 
e-tag, but this blog indicates it does:

http://joshua.schachter.org/2006/11/apache-etags

But I did use this one in my research. It explains why the Etag doesn't 
usually show up with a PUT.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42246577/why-responses-to-put-requests-must-not-provide-an-etag

The apache docs location should be obvious. I had to read the cache control 
and mod_dav, mod_dav_fs, and mod_headers section to sort out that Apache is 
not able to confirm that what as sent in the PUT will be exactly what is 
returned for the next GET request. So, no etag header.

I can show (because I tested) that the HEAD method does appear to return an 
etag.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 11:26:19 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 3:12:00 PM UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
>>
>> Could someone help me a bit with something? My coding skills are not up 
>> to even this simple task sadly.
>>
>> The WebDAV saver for TiddlyWiki saves using the HTTP PUT method. 
>> Unfortunately the Apache and IIS implementations of WebDAV do not respond 
>> with the updated ETag header. However, according to the documentation, 
>>
>
> Hi, Can you add some links to your docs? Especially the ETag handling 
> stuff, that you refer to?
>  
> -m
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Re: [tw] Questions re node.js

2017-10-18 Thread David Gifford

Hi kelsang, no, Resonate's site is not done in TiddlyWiki. They have a
professional communications department that handles that.

My own website, giffmex.org, and my Spanish materials at
articulos.giffmex.org are created with statics generated by my local
TiddlyWikis.

Blessings

David Gifford
Mexico team leader, Mexico City

*Resonate Global Mission*
*Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
resonateglobalmission.org

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:49 AM, kelsang sherab 
wrote:

> David,
>
> out of curiosity is Resonate Global Mission website build with TW ??
>
> it looks very nice and very inormative.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 4:44:15 AM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Arlen!
>>
>> David Gifford
>> Mexico team leader, Mexico City
>>
>> *Resonate Global Mission*
>> *Engaging People. Embracing Christ.*
>> A Ministry of the Christian Reformed Church
>> resonateglobalmission.org
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>
>>> This thread should answer some of your questions. Let us know if you
>>> have more.
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/7d5facb4-d04f-
>>> 49c3-a78e-7e2a16c3282d%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&
>>> utm_source=footer
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2017 18:46, "Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/; <
>>> gif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all

 After wandering about in the world and using Dynalist.io to much
 satisfaction, I am finding I would still like to gather some notes in TW.
 But I have been hearing of rumors that my beloved Firefox will soon no
 longer be supporting changes in TW. And I have never liked Chrome's way of
 saving. I always feel like I am either going to accumulate heaps of files
 or somehow lose my data because I didn't save it.

 Also, I like how http://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyWiki.html
 functions online. I would like to be able to easily generate a large static
 site, especially in Spanish.

 So I am thinking node.js may or may not be my solution. Let me describe
 roughly what I am thinking of, and you guys can maybe tell me if it is
 doable.

 1. Have a number of TiddlyWikis I access via node.js, not just one. The
 tiddlers from the TWs could all be mixed together in folders.
 2. Have the ability to wikilink any tiddler via any of the TiddlyWikis.
 So if I created a tiddler from the 'Animals' TW, there would be a way to
 wikilink to it from a 'Nature' TW.
 3. Generate a static site like http://tiddlywiki.com/static/T
 iddlyWiki.html from all the tiddlers. Having it update automatically
 or at least with the click of a button when I make changes to any of the
 TWs would be a big plus.

 Is this doable? I am guessing it is. In simple but precise English, how
 would I go about doing this? What is the process involved, not so much for
 setting up but for day to day editing and publishing? Do I save locally and
 upload each time from my laptop? Or is there a way to edit online tid files
 via node.js and have their static versions updated? Is there a way to edit
 in node.js so I can see it wikified but not have to depend on a browser?

 I think some of you use Github to do something like this. If so, is
 that something worth pursuing? What is your process?

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[tw] Re: New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff



On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 7:11:24 PM UTC+2, BJ wrote:
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> HI All,
>
> I have build a (basic) saver that allows TWs to be saved in a subdir to 
> the download dir, with some other minor restrictions. This is of course 
> very restricting, however it allows saving to be similar to using tiddlyfox 
> (it allows backups), and allows TWs to be moved out of the main part of the 
> download directory, into a tree of subdirs.
>
> A proof of concept is here: https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlysaver.  It is 
> not tested so DO NOT USE ON LIVE TWs, however feedback would be useful.
>
> I have only tried this on xubuntu 14.04
>
> Cheers
>
> BJ
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[tw] New (Limited) Saver for chrome, ff

HI All,

I have build a (basic) saver that allows TWs to be saved in a subdir to the 
download dir, with some other minor restrictions. This is of course very 
restricting, however it allows saving to be similar to using tiddlyfox (it 
allows backups), and allows TWs to be moved out of the main part of the 
download directory, into a tree of subdirs.

A proof of concept is here: https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlysaver.  It is 
not tested so DO NOT USE ON LIVE TWs, however feedback would be useful.

Cheers

BJ

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Re: [tw] Re: Firefox will not doom TiddlyWiki

Mark is correct. All you need to specify is the folder name and you're good
to go. It will let you browse and load all files and folders inside the
specified folder.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:27 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
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> yeah, I mean it can,  but we have to add each TW to settings json
>>
>
> I still don't understand. I didn't have to add *any* TW file to
> settings.json. Did Arlen change something (my version is about 2 months
> old) ? I just added the directory branches I wanted. Then I navigate to the
> branch on localhost:8080 and right click (open in new tab) on each of the
> TW files I want to open. I didn't have to specify their names in the JSON
> settings.
>
> Mark
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> . Instead,  if we could simply specify a folder name in settings,  from
>> which all html files would be loaded, that would make it much easier. We
>> can specify a folder dedicated to TW and forget all about settings file.
>
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[tw] Re: Firefox will not doom TiddlyWiki

2017-10-18 Thread Riz

yeah, I mean it can,  but we have to add each TW to settings json. Instead,  if 
we could simply specify a folder name in settings,  from which all html files 
would be loaded, that would make it much easier. We can specify a folder 
dedicated to TW and forget all about settings file. 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 3:12:00 PM UTC+2, Lost Admin wrote:
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> Could someone help me a bit with something? My coding skills are not up to 
> even this simple task sadly.
>
> The WebDAV saver for TiddlyWiki saves using the HTTP PUT method. 
> Unfortunately the Apache and IIS implementations of WebDAV do not respond 
> with the updated ETag header. However, according to the documentation, 
>

Hi, Can you add some links to your docs? Especially the ETag handling 
stuff, that you refer to?
 
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[tw] Collaborative editing (2nd attempt)

FYI...

(2nd attempt because my first went into the Google black hole, or google 
hates me)

Quote: *ProseMirror has built-in, ground-up, rock solid support for 
collaborative editing, where multiple people work on the same document in 
real time.*

About: http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/blog/prosemirror-1.html

Site: http://prosemirror.net/


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[tw] Firefox will not doom TiddlyWiki

2017-10-18 Thread Riz

Hi Arlen,  

As I mentioned in github, will you consider supporting an option like "a folder 
full of standalone wikis"? Will easier it easier for those of us who use a lot 
of temporary wikis. 

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[tw] Re: Reveal widget with nonempty field

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:00:06 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
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> What does the syntax "|?]]" do?
>
> Is there any hope that any of this could end up in the core?
>

IMO |?] is much more visible but as I wrote it is already a valid 
pretty-link for existing TWs. Whereas the |] will be ignored. 
Just compare [[test|?]] with [[test|]]

The standard way to get stuff like this ready for the core is plugins. ... 
If they are a success, we can discuss implementing them into the core. 
Especially in cases like this one, where no consensus is reached yet. 

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[tw] Re: Tiddlers as Bookmarklets!!!


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> I think that this could be useful for storing bookmarklets to help with 
> getting new systems set up.
>

Right.  Ad hoc "bundles".  Cool. 

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[tw] Re: Tiddlers as Bookmarklets!!!

2017-10-18 Thread Jed Carty

I think that this could be useful for storing bookmarklets to help with 
getting new systems set up.

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.9

Congrats, Jeremy.  Nice to see multi-instance support added - an issue 
which had led me to turn away from TD in the past.  Is there any hope that 
other "standard" browser features may be added? Cmd/Ctrl-F perhaps? 
(Reading the github issues, it doesn't seem likely).


On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 3:16:13 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m happy to announce a new release of TiddlyDesktop, including new 
> features that support creating external attachments via drag and drop — in 
> other words, it lets you drag a .JPG file into your TiddlyWiki and have it 
> appear as a tiddler with a _canonical_uri field pointing to the original 
> file.
>
> I’ve had reservations about TiddlyDesktop for some time: particularly that 
> the understandable pressure from users to make it as good as commercial 
> browsers would become a Sisyphean task. Things change; like many others, 
> I’ve been relying on TiddlyFox for all my personal work with Dropbox-based 
> single file TiddlyWikis on my Mac. With its demise I plan to switch to 
> TiddlyDesktop; if it works out, it should help encourage me to keep it up 
> to date :)
>
> This release is mainly about integrating the latest version of the 
> underlying NW.js platform. Significant changes to the code were required 
> because of many deep changes in NW.js itself. New features include:
>
> • Latest Chromium features (e.g. integrated PDF viewer)
> • Resolves bugs related to window positioning (e.g. quitting while windows 
> are minimised) by using NW.js new built-in window handling
> • Updated visual appearance for the main toolbar
> • New, more distinctive application icon
>
> You can download the new release here:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases/tag/v0.0.9
>
> As usual, please exercise caution when upgrading: take careful backups and 
> don’t rely on it for anything important until you’ve tested things 
> thoroughly.
>
> The support for external attachments takes the form of a new plugin on the 
> TiddlyWiki side. I did it this way around because the external attachment 
> support isn’t actually dependent upon TiddlyDesktop — it will work with any 
> browser environment that provides a “path” property with the “File” object 
> created during drag-and-drop operations. There are no such alternatives 
> right now, but it gives us room to get things working on platforms such as 
> Quine on iOS.
>
> The new plugin is included in the latest 5.1.15-prerelease:
>
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fexternal-attachments
>  
> 
>
> Note that the plugin requires the matching version of the core to operate 
> properly; it can’t be used with older versions of TiddlyWiki.
>
> Feedback and questions are welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Tiddlers as Bookmarklets!!!

Well that's blindingly obvious.  I guess I must be blind!

Good spot, Arlen!

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 9:22:55 AM UTC-5, Arlen Beiler wrote:
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> Hey!!! Just made a discovery. You can drag a link to a Tiddler into your 
> bookmarks as a bookmarklet and then drag it into another Tiddlywiki to 
> import the tiddler. 
>
> Hot off the press, 
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[tw] Tiddlers as Bookmarklets!!!

Hey!!! Just made a discovery. You can drag a link to a Tiddler into your
bookmarks as a bookmarklet and then drag it into another Tiddlywiki to
import the tiddler.

Hot off the press,
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[tw] Firefox will not doom TiddlyWiki

Neither will Chrome. Neither will any other browser existing or not
existing or changing. I know a lot of discussion has happened in relation
to that, but I just want to let you all know how it looks from my
perspective.

TiddlyWiki gives me the peace of mind that I'm not tied to any one browser
or software company. I use data folders, which stores the tiddlers as raw
wikitext in the file system. If I ever need to read them as a text file, I
can easily do that. Single file wikis would be the same, although you have
to look through 1.5+ MB of code to find the wiki store, but definitely
doable and a necessary inconvenience. Of course, I can also load it in any
modern browser and expect it to work exactly as it always did as far as
rendering and reading is concerned.

First of all, there is TiddlyServer. I have loaded data folders for a long
time, but this was the first time I made something this dynamic. At the
same time, I made it to fit my use case, which is something of a data
power-user. I accumulate loads of notes and need someway to store and
categorize them. I like data folders, and needed something like the Node
server command, but which allowed static files to be served as well.

Before TiddlyServer, I used Electron and a simple saver script that I wrote
very similar to TiddlyChrome or TiddlyFox. That worked very well and I
stored everything on Dropbox in single file wikis. I still use Dropbox, but
found myself quickly switching to data folders once I discovered how easy
TiddlyServer actually made things.

There is also TiddlyDesktop. It is built on NodeWebkit, but as far as the
end user is concerned, it could also be build on Electron. Even if
NodeWebkit goes away, Electron is a very active project used by several
very popular source code editors and maintained by Github. I don't think it
is going to disappear any time soon.

It would not be hard for me to port Tiddlyserver to Electron to turn it
into another TiddlyDesktop. I could still allow access over the network.
That, I'm guessing, is on the roadmap, but it's still a little ways away.

*We still have TiddlyChrome until next spring. *

Every browser that supports extensions would have some way of saving
directly in the browser if you install a native application on your
computer that would communicate with the extension. This seems feasible to
me because installing an extension is also computer specific.

There are creative ways of using the download saver along with shell
scripts to do various things.

Several users are working on various ways to use WebDAV to save TiddlyWiki
on Apache and IIS. We have store.php which does basically the same thing if
you have PHP enabled on the web server.

Saving used to be a lot more browser-specific. Each browser had its own
method of doing things. Five has made things a lot more equal and taken out
a lot of the guess work and hassle of hacking the core code. If there is a
different way of saving, you just write a new saver and drop it into your
wiki.

It is a hassle to work through all the different options available to us
and figure out which ones are user-friendly and simple. I think that is
what is creating all the discussion about Firefox. We have a plethora of
options available, it's just that the one some of us like best is going
away. I barely ever use Firefox, and therefore hardly ever use TiddlyFox.
So I am not affected by it as a user, and I'm sure there are others.

It has come to my attention very strongly, however, as the developer of
TiddlyServer, because suddenly there is a lot of interest in it. It was
primarily built to allow someone to load multiple data folders (which have
nothing to do with TiddlyFox and are always browser agnostic) instead of
having to load each folder on a different port. We also wanted to be able
to serve files (like PDFs and images) along-side the TiddlyWikis. The
single-file saving was an obvious addition, but I almost needed a new saver
to go with it.

I'm sure I missed some things, but that is all I can think of right now.

Arlen

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Re: [tw] Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.9

2017-10-18 Thread Eneko Gotzon

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> I’m happy to announce a new release of TiddlyDesktop…
>

What a wonderful & generous team of coders… Thank you so much, once again!


> I plan to switch to TiddlyDesktop…
>

And I will follow you, –Great– Jeremy.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] WebDav Saver Observations.