date:20180701

It just seems like, for most people, dragging and dropping a plugin would 
be much more preferable than the current 5 step, complicated process -- 
especially for updates.

Thanks,
-- Mark

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 1:51:30 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I haven't tried dragging and dropping the packaged plugin into a node 
> wiki. I don't see any reason it wouldn't work. After you install the plugin 
> you would still have to start the server using the wsserver command instead 
> of the normal server one but there isn't any reason it wouldn't work. I 
> haven't tested it because so far the only times I have the packaged plugin 
> are when I am running Bob and you only need one wiki running it so it never 
> came up.
>
> And thank you for pointing out the error! It looks like I missed a spot 
> when I changed the name to Bob. I will hopefully be somewhere I can fix 
> that soon.
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] "Muuri-Touch" plugin on TiddlywikiDesktop?

2018-07-01 Thread Alfonso Arciniega

I've just downloaded a copy of TiddlyTouch and opened it in TiddlyDesktop 
0.0.13.

It works fine to me in Windows 10 (though I have not imported anything into 
it yet).

Cheers,

Alfonso Arciniega

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[tw5] Re: fewer tiddlydesktop backups

2018-07-01 Thread Alfonso Arciniega

I leave the backups as they are. Then, at the end of a week (or at the 
beginning), I just run a free portable utility to delete all backups 
automatically. No big deal!

https://portableapps.com/apps/security/eraser-portable

Cheers,

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[tw5] Re: macro and submacro (private macro not available globally)

You are great Eric!
Thank you!

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 2:03:15 AM UTC+4:30, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 9:07:45 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> I use the  TW 5.1.18-prerelease, it seems instead of $includevariables I 
>> have to use $importvariables
>>
>
> oops!  I meant to write "$importvariables" my bad.
>
> -e
>
>

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[tw5] conditional operations

Question:
 How does it possible to have a conditional operation in TW


   - *Question*

Assume based on the value of input to a macro parameter I want to do some 
operation like

IF CONDITION THEN
   TRUE-PART
ELSE
   FALSE-PART
END IF


   - *My solution: Is it correct?*


I did something like this

\define _maca(x) This is Macro ''A'':  $x$
\define _macb(y) This is Macro ''B'':  $y$

\define polymorph(input, cond:"a")
 <$reveal type="match" text=$cond$ default="a")>
<<_maca $input$>>
 
 <$reveal type="match" text=$cond$ default="b")>
<<_macb $input$>>
 
\end




   - Example

<>
<>
<>
<>



   - Output

This is Macro *A*: Hi

This is Macro *A*: Hello

This is Macro *B*: Hola

This is Macro *B*: Hola



Is this correct? If I want to have something like below, what can I do

IF CONDITION THEN
   TRUE-PART
ELSE IF
   OTHER-PART
ELSE
   FALSE-PART  
END IF


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[tw5] Re: Contacts/people database

I found Stephan Hradek tiddler(s) "Creating a simple Contacts DB" at 
http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ to be very educational and a good starting 
point. However, it is somewhat dated now and may require plugins that are 
no longer necessary.

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On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 7:19:10 AM UTC-7, Vladimír Macko wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am fairly new to TW5 so I would be grateful for feedback and suggestions.
>
> *What I want to do*
>
>- a way to keep a database of people.
>   - relatively flexible way to create a new person.
>  - Required "field".
>  - Optional "fields"
>  - ability to reference information about such people anywhere on 
>TW. {{FirstnameLastname!!title}}, {{FirstnameLastname##title}} ?
>- future proof.
>- If I decide to [[link]] towards a person, readable (nice looking) 
>html but ability to edit the "fields" easily from there.
>
> *What I am considering*
>
>- A single tiddler for every person.
>   - tagged `person`
>   - Data stored in field.
>   - text field shows the data stored in fields in nice way.
>   - How would I go about creating a "template" for such a tiddler.
>  - How to implement required/optional fields?
>  - A single data tiddler for every person.
>   - Any advantages?
>
> Thanks a lot! 
>
> If you feel like pointing out something I missed/haven't considered that 
> would be great.
>
> Kind regards,
> Vladimir
>

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[tw5] Re: Contacts/people database

2018-07-01 Thread TonyM

Vladimir,

It is worth looking at other implementations before you start, here are 
some hard won lessons that may or may not yet make sense to you. However 
you seem on track.


   - A single tiddler for every person (YES)
  - tagged `person` or 'contact' (because what if you document a 
  business?)
  - Data stored in fields eg Phone/Address etc...
  - text field shows the data stored in fields in nice way (*Do not do 
  this see below*) keep text for free form notes about your 
  person/contact
  - How would I go about creating a "template" for such a tiddler - the 
  easy way is to create one with fields etc.. no values and clone it, 
  otherwise you can build a button that creates a new one with the required 
  fields
 - How to implement required/optional fields?
 - A single data tiddler for every person - *I would not unless 
   your contacts where in the thousands, and then probably not. Its much 
   easier to tag anything with a person, to relate it to that person(s)*

*Displaying the values in the fields of a contact*

Create a tiddler "DisplayContact" that references each of the fields as if 
it was a contact tiddler and tag it with $:/tags/ViewTemplate
use the {{$:/tags/ViewTemplate||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}} drag and drop to 
order where they display


Only display the content if it is in fact a contact
eg
<$list filter="[is[current]tag[contact]]" valiable="null"> 
{{!!firstname}} {{!!lastname}}
{{!!address1}}
{{!!address2}}


Editing fields can be done in edit mode without any complexity but smarter 
options are available.

I have just designed a method I may publish soon. But lets help when you 
get there.

Regards
Tony


On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:19:10 AM UTC+10, Vladimír Macko wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am fairly new to TW5 so I would be grateful for feedback and suggestions.
>
> *What I want to do*
>
>- a way to keep a database of people.
>   - relatively flexible way to create a new person.
>  - Required "field".
>  - Optional "fields"
>  - ability to reference information about such people anywhere on 
>TW. {{FirstnameLastname!!title}}, {{FirstnameLastname##title}} ?
>- future proof.
>- If I decide to [[link]] towards a person, readable (nice looking) 
>html but ability to edit the "fields" easily from there.
>
> *What I am considering*
>
>- A single tiddler for every person.
>   - tagged `person`
>   - Data stored in field.
>   - text field shows the data stored in fields in nice way.
>   - How would I go about creating a "template" for such a tiddler.
>  - How to implement required/optional fields?
>  - A single data tiddler for every person.
>   - Any advantages?
>
> Thanks a lot! 
>
> If you feel like pointing out something I missed/haven't considered that 
> would be great.
>
> Kind regards,
> Vladimir
>

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[tw5] Re: macro and submacro (private macro not available globally)

2018-07-01 Thread Eric Shulman

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 9:07:45 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I use the  TW 5.1.18-prerelease, it seems instead of $includevariables I 
> have to use $importvariables
>

oops!  I meant to write "$importvariables" my bad.

-e

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Single Executable version using Bob 1.0.2 Sourdough Biscuits

Ed,

It turns out that the error was a rather serious bug that somehow crept in. 
I am still not sure how it wasn't a problem before but I fixed it and I am 
trying to upload the fix to GitHub. It should be fixed in the plugin repo 
but my inconsistent internet access is giving me trouble uploading the 
single file versions.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Single Executable version using Bob 1.0.2 Sourdough Biscuits

I haven't tried dragging and dropping the packaged plugin into a node wiki. 
I don't see any reason it wouldn't work. After you install the plugin you 
would still have to start the server using the wsserver command instead of 
the normal server one but there isn't any reason it wouldn't work. I 
haven't tested it because so far the only times I have the packaged plugin 
are when I am running Bob and you only need one wiki running it so it never 
came up.

And thank you for pointing out the error! It looks like I missed a spot 
when I changed the name to Bob. I will hopefully be somewhere I can fix 
that soon.

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[tw5] Re: [MuuriTouch] Reloaded

2018-07-01 Thread Dave


Although I understand this is largely designed for touch interfaces, it 
would be a nice option to be able to have the side tiddler controls hide 
until hovered over in the case you want to use it with a mouse and keep it 
prettier.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] "Muuri-Touch" plugin on TiddlywikiDesktop?

2018-07-01 Thread Dave

Hi, yes I got it from the tiddlytouch one, not the test one, although I 
wasn't aware they were different - just a happy accident :)

So, yes, that error is with the right version

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 10:52:31 PM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>

 

>
> I've made a new thread for MuuriTouch over here 
> 
>
> Your error is most likely because of the experimental state of the plugin 
> on muritest.tiddlyspot.com
>
> The latest plugin version is on http://tiddlytouch.tiddlyspot.com  
> - If you obtain it from there, does 
> the error still happen?
>
>
> all the best,
> BTC
>

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[tw5] Re: Host wiki online for multiple users?

First, it is a not a good idea to have multiple people using Bob to access
the same wiki at the same time. They would fight over file changes and you
would get a lot of phantom tiddlers that you can't properly delete and
infinite loops of different instances making changes to the same tiddler
again and again.

Unfortunately the security components that Jeremy is working on probably
won't play well with Bob. Supporting multiple wikis simultaneously makes
reusing the single wiki server components difficult at best and I don't
think that the normal server anything for the websockets.

I am currently polishing up my online version of Bob. It has better
security than most online services, but given the horrific state of online
security that is a pretty low bar. I wouldn't trust it with plans to
overthrow a national government, but I think it is secure enough for most
things short of that.

We have been using it for OokTech things for a few weeks now and it hasn't
given us any trouble. It is on our server and accessible online and we
haven't had any trouble yet.

It is Bob with secure logins and proper access controls so you can
configure who can see or edit wikis individually and I have fine grained
controls over what each person can do in each wiki.

We were hoping to have the public demo up this weekend but progress is slow
because I have very spotty internet access at my home right now. Also the
rest of OokTech is insisting that I make it a bit polished before I open
the public demo.

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[tw5] Re: Contacts/people database

I made a simple contacts database wiki, I don't think it is what you want 
it does show how to do some of what you are asking. You can see it 
here: http://nolearning-contactsdb.tiddlyspot.com

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[tw5] Re: Using an Advanced Search and/or a filter to bulk add or remove tags to a set of tiddlers.

2018-07-01 Thread robert . hustead

Thanks CD.

I think I found what I need:  
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/http$3A$2F$2Fbatchmanipulator.tiddlyspot.com$2F%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/qMsN8KFxSjk/vMqlYGSFAwAJ

The batchmaniuplator plugin is good enough.  



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>
> Hello there. I'm not so sure if the following is something you would want, 
> but in terms of tagging multiple post at a time, I'd say it get the job 
> done.
>
> In terms of how it works is you'd have all the posts you want tagged on 
> the story river and then whatever term you have typed in the search bar 
> becomes the tag for all those posts.
>
>  

> The code and the original discussion I got this from is here: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/qo0kmYAhyMg
>

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[tw5] Re: Using an Advanced Search and/or a filter to bulk add or remove tags to a set of tiddlers.

2018-07-01 Thread CD

Hello there. I'm not so sure if the following is something you would want, 
but in terms of tagging multiple post at a time, I'd say it get the job 
done.

The original discussion I got this from is 
here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/qo0kmYAhyMg

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[tw5] Using an Advanced Search and/or a filter to bulk add or remove tags to a set of tiddlers.

2018-07-01 Thread robert . hustead


They way I work with spreadsheets is to keep a task per row and then I add 
a few status columns to help create various views.

I can do this in TiddlyWiki by opening each Tiddler and tagging it, using 
tags as the status column.

This works, but it gets cumbersome after about five or so tiddlers.

What I'd like to do is use a filter to add or remove tags to a set of 
filtered tiddlers.

Ideally, I'd like to see this function as one of the buttons on the 
"Advanced Search" / Filter page.  Alongside of the  filtered export and 
filtered delete functions.

I've been looking for a few days, assuming this is a common thing to do, 
but so far, I've had no luck.

Is there a way to do this?  



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[tw5] Re: macro within macro using macrocall

Thanks David!

I hope we could have your contribution to TW and its documentation.

Cheers
Mohammad

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:18:41 PM UTC+4:30, Dave wrote:
>
> I figured out this list of things to remember about TW variables for use 
> in macros:
>
>
> variable conventions 
> in a macro
>
>- $someword$ macro variable provided by *parameter* of the remote 
>macro call
>- <>, from: <$set name="someword" value="some value"><– 
>variable set *inside* the macro
>- $(currentTiddler)$ higher order (global?) variable you can use 
>inside a macro
>- <> lower order macro - gives the name of current 
>tiddler, but doesn't go past a single nesting level (as opposed to the 
>example above)
>
> hopefully those are accurate.  I'll have to add the macrocall usage to 
> this now :)
>
> I've just recently figured out that you can set macro definitions for use 
> later in the same tiddler (olmost as a lengthy variable), but not used 
> elsewhere because you don't tag it with $:/tags/macro
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[tw5] Re: macro within macro using macrocall

2018-07-01 Thread Dave

I figured out this list of things to remember about TW variables for use in 
macros:


variable conventions 
in a macro
   
   - $someword$ macro variable provided by *parameter* of the remote macro 
   call
   - <>, from: <$set name="someword" value="some value"><– 
   variable set *inside* the macro
   - $(currentTiddler)$ higher order (global?) variable you can use inside 
   a macro
   - <> lower order macro - gives the name of current 
   tiddler, but doesn't go past a single nesting level (as opposed to the 
   example above)

hopefully those are accurate.  I'll have to add the macrocall usage to this 
now :)

I've just recently figured out that you can set macro definitions for use 
later in the same tiddler (olmost as a lengthy variable), but not used 
elsewhere because you don't tag it with $:/tags/macro

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[tw5] Re: Host wiki online for multiple users?

2018-07-01 Thread Ste Wilson

An instance of bob or some such on sandstorm.io? Sandstorm takes care of the 
multi user bit. 

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[tw5] Re: macro within macro using macrocall

I got most of it from tiddlywiki.com and examples in this forum.

TW technology is more like learning a human language than a programming 
language -- there's a handful of rules and then a whole lot of exceptions.

It would be great to write up an all-up tutorial, but like attacking a 
hydra, where do you begin?

-- Mark



On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 5:46:08 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>  That't true! The other think is the many logic you can do the same thing 
> with the same results.
> By the way, is there any place to have all these explained
> When use <> for variable or <<>> or{!field} or {{!!filed}} 
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 3:49:56 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if this will fix your problem (without actually testing) but 
>> one of the things that will drive you crazy (or at least me) with TW5 
>> widgets is the inconsistent attributes/parameters.
>>
>> In this case, you need to call <$macrocall> with attribute "$name", not 
>> "name" . Pretty much every time you use (or I use) a widget, I have to 
>> double check the syntax at tiddlywiki.com, because it's different for 
>> different widgets. For instance, if you had been invoking the "<$set> 
>> widget, then the attribute really would have been "name".
>>
>> HTH
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 4:13:19 PM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I'm struggling getting macrocall to work to allow me to use a macro 
>>> within a macro
>>>
>>> Here's what I originally wanted to do:
>>>
>>> Given this macro (<>)
>>>
>>> \define sliderO(label,text)
>>> <$set name=this value=$(currentTiddler)$ >
>>> <$button popup="$:/state/<>$label$" class="btn-invisible 
>>> tw-slider">$label$
>>> <$reveal type="match" text="" default="" state="$:/state/<>$label$" 
>>> animate="yes">
>>>
>>> $text$
>>>
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> I wanted to call that macro with the following as the text:
>>>
>>>  | ''resisted finger ext'' | <> |
>>>
>>>
>>> So the content would be revealed with the slider mechanism.  The problem 
>>> is that you can't have a <> within a <> I assume 
>>> because of the "<<>>" repetition
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The answer I presume from googling here is to use a macrocall, but for 
>>> the life of me I can't seem to get it to work
>>>
>>> I tried setting the content as both a macro and a variable:
>>>
>>>
>>> \define motor2ndorder()
>>>  | ''resisted finger ext'' | <> |
>>>
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <$macrocall name=sliderO label="Motor 2nd Order" text=<>> >>/>
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> <$vars text="""
>>>  | ''resisted finger ext'' | <> |
>>> """>
>>>
>>> <$macrocall name=sliderO label="Motor 2nd Order" text=<>/>
>>>
>>> but neither of those is working :(
>>>
>>> any suggestions?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Host wiki online for multiple users?

My thought was that the parties would each have their own Bob. Then all the 
security is handled by DropBox, which has experience.

Security is a big deal these days. Consider EquiFax, whose entire business 
is supposed to be that of information security, and yet they exposed 150 
million people's private information. 

A gentleman's (or gentlewoman's) agreement re naming conventions could 
allow people to share, without a 100% multi-user system.

Still, if it was something you planned to do a lot of, it might be better 
to just use wikimedia technology.

-- Mark

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 9:37:20 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Perhaps Jed can answer that. It could be great, 
>
> I think at the moment Bob (the single Host) is dealing with the possible 
> contention between multiple users on a per tiddler basis. There may need to 
> be an extension to allow two hosts to share the one file area, but its a 
> bloody good question. However on the current model if you can get a node 
> server accessible on the Internet both can happily visit the one tiddlywiki 
> and both work on it, with only changing tiddlers where contention is 
> managed.
>
> I recently hosted NodeJS on the internet, and plan to make this bob 
> however I am cautious because it can be a very high security risk. But 
> Jeremy is working on a Login security component.
>
> With Vanilla Node or even TiddlyServer  it can auto-save every change 
> quite quickly, I think it would be quite easy to, check it is available for 
> checkout,  save a tiddler indicating I have the wiki checked out for 
> editing, so others can view but not save, until I check it back in, then 
> they can check it out.
> I believe this is possible with the current technology. Bob can help in 
> this scenario to avoid the need to save and reload the wiki. 
>
> Another method that may work in some use cases is to force people to 
> "login" to the wiki, basically providing their user name, them allow them 
> to create and edit tiddlers created by them but not others (unless they 
> check it out as above). Ie check it out to edit system tiddlers, or others 
> tiddlers, otherwise use it "not checked out" knowing users will not step on 
> each others toes.
>
> Just some recent thoughts of mine
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Basically this would allow multiple user edits over time if not at the 
> same time, or what I would call "serial editing". In many business cases 
> this is often more than enough.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 2:12:26 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if two users, each with their own Bob implementation, could 
>> share the same DropBox folder, essentially creating a nearly-multi-user 
>> system (taking into account various lag times). ??
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 6:13:55 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Zenai,
>>>
>>> There are many ways to do what you ask and there is no clear winner in 
>>> my mind, The best for you will depend a little on the work requirements and 
>>> the facilities available to you. There is work in progress right now that 
>>> will increase the possibilities.
>>>
>>> Sharing on a local network only is quite simple using node, TiddlyServer 
>>> Bob even I believe TiddlyDesktop.
>>> TiddlySpot.com is possibly the best immediate general solution.
>>>
>>> There are ways to share a tiddlywiki as a file online from share storage 
>>> such as dropbox, one Drive Google Drive and more however these tend to be 
>>> file based wikis so multiple serial editors is ok but there is a danger one 
>>> user would save over the other.
>>>
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted will help you get started and so 
>>> can the newly created setup http://setup.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> Since TiddlyWiki single file is html it can be posted anywhere on the 
>>> internet for read only access
>>> Noteself allows each user to have their own instance with a browser but 
>>> it does not help with collaboration unless you connect it to an online 
>>> CouchDB database or people export their tiddlers and send them to you.
>>> The bees knees I can see is hosting the Multi-user Node version called 
>>> bob online, but an additional layer of security is required and not all 
>>> people have this hosting ability.
>>>
>>> Depending on your needs, you could have the editors access your wiki in 
>>> you local network and upload a copy to a html server in releases, for read 
>>> only users.
>>>
>>> Many of us know the possibilities, and some have implemented them, 
>>> Jeremy is even working on Deploying on Amazon Web Services, I do th
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 6:13:15 AM UTC+10, Zenai10 wrote:

 Hi,
 So i'm sure this has been asked many times but I cannot find what I 
 need. I'm trying to set up a wiki server so several users can connect and 
 edit a wiki online as we are across the country. 
 I have only been able to create local network server wiki's using 
 node.js. Is it possible to host

[tw5] Re: macro and submacro (private macro not available globally)

Hi Eric,
 Yes, that works wonderful! In this way I can hide the macros I don't want 
to be accessible by other tiddlers or globally.
Some times we create a code contains several parts, but only one macro 
should be available.

*Note:*
I use the  TW 5.1.18-prerelease, it seems instead of $includevariables I 
have to use $importvariables



Thank again Eric.

Cheers
Mohammad


On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 8:16:07 PM UTC+4:30, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 7:22:20 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> The case is how can I have myMac available globally (can be invoked from 
>> any tiddlers) but smac1 and smac2 remain private!
>>
>
> 1) put myMac() in a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/Macro
> 2) put smac1() and smac2() in another tiddler (e.g., "smacFunctions") 
> tagged with "MyMacroFunctions"
>
> in the definition of myMac(), write:
>
> \define myMac(x,y)
> <$includevariables filter="[tag[MyMacroFunctions]]">
> <> <>
> 
> \end
>
> The <$includevariables> widget pulls in all the variables (i.e., macro 
> definitions) contained in the tiddlers matching the specified filter.
>
> Note that, if you only want to include variables from one specific 
> tiddler, then you don't need to use a tag... you can just specify the name 
> of the tiddler as the filter:
> <$includevariables filter="smacFunctions">
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: macro and submacro (private macro not available globally)

2018-07-01 Thread Eric Shulman

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 7:22:20 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> The case is how can I have myMac available globally (can be invoked from 
> any tiddlers) but smac1 and smac2 remain private!
>

1) put myMac() in a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/Macro
2) put smac1() and smac2() in another tiddler tagged with "SomeTag" (e.g., 
"MyMacroFunctions")

in the definition of myMac(), write:

\define myMac(x,y)
<$includevariables filter="[tag[MyMacroFunctions]]">
<> <>

\end

The <$includevariables> widget pulls in all the variables (i.e., macro 
definitions) contained in the tiddlers matching the specified filter.

Note that, if you only want to include variables from one specific tiddler, 
then you don't need to use a tag... you can just specify the name of the 
tiddler as the filter:
<$includevariables filter="smacFunctions">

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: macro and submacro (private macro not available globally)

Mark!
Thank you for your quick reply!
The case is how can I have myMac available globally (can be invoked from 
any tiddlers) but smac1 and smac2 remain private!

/Mohammad

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Sure. Just put the first two macros in a tiddler labeled with 
> $:/tags/Macro. Then don't put a macro in your 2nd tiddler that has the 3rd 
> macro. e.g:
>
>
> title: My Invocation tiddler
> tags: RandomTag
>
> \define myMac(x,y)
> <> <>
> \end
>
> <>
>
>
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 5:56:07 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>  I have a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/Macro in that I have three macros, 
>> tow of them work as sub-macro (like sub-function or private methods in 
>> other programming language) for the main macro.
>>
>>
>>- Example
>>
>> \define smac1(a)  This is $a$
>> \define smac2(b)  and I it is really $b$.
>>
>> \define myMac(x,y)
>> <> <>
>> \end
>>
>>
>>
>> I use it like 
>>
>> <>
>>
>>
>>
>> The question is I want to have only myMac available globally and not 
>> smac1, and smac2. Is it possible with TW?
>>
>> /Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Contacts/people database

2018-07-01 Thread Vladimír Macko

Hello,

I am fairly new to TW5 so I would be grateful for feedback and suggestions.

*What I want to do*

- a way to keep a database of people.
- relatively flexible way to create a new person.
- Required "field".
- Optional "fields"
- ability to reference information about such people anywhere on
TW. {{FirstnameLastname!!title}}, {{FirstnameLastname##title}} ?
- future proof.
- If I decide to [[link]] towards a person, readable (nice looking) html
but ability to edit the "fields" easily from there.

*What I am considering*

- A single tiddler for every person.
- tagged `person`
- Data stored in field.
- text field shows the data stored in fields in nice way.
- How would I go about creating a "template" for such a tiddler.
- How to implement required/optional fields?
- A single data tiddler for every person.
- Any advantages?

Thanks a lot!

If you feel like pointing out something I missed/haven't considered that
would be great.

Kind regards,
Vladimir

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[tw5] Re: Editing Problem on Kindle Fire

2018-07-01 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 9:58:51 AM UTC-4, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
> I'm unable to edit old TW5 content on my Kindle Fire. When i press the edit 
> icon, TW switches to the editor.  It lets me enter new characters, but I 
> can't backspace over existing characters or otherwise replace them.
> 
> A real Handy use-case for TW on a Kindle is to run TW in a browser (to a 
> remote node.js TW) to take notes while reading an e-book.  But if the editor 
> won't allow editing existing text, one had best not save any typos!
> 
> The issue appears to be in a core Kindle component, because the behavior is 
> the same with Silk, Chrome, and Firefox.
> 
> Any ideas for a work-around?

It isn't an Android issue.  Editing works fine on my Android Cell phone

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[tw5] Editing Problem on Kindle Fire

2018-07-01 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter

I'm unable to edit old TW5 content on my Kindle Fire. When i press the edit 
icon, TW switches to the editor.  It lets me enter new characters, but I can't 
backspace over existing characters or otherwise replace them.

A real Handy use-case for TW on a Kindle is to run TW in a browser (to a remote 
node.js TW) to take notes while reading an e-book.  But if the editor won't 
allow editing existing text, one had best not save any typos!

The issue appears to be in a core Kindle component, because the behavior is the 
same with Silk, Chrome, and Firefox.

Any ideas for a work-around?

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[tw5] Re: macro and submacro (private macro not available globally)

Sure. Just put the first two macros in a tiddler labeled with 
$:/tags/Macro. Then don't put a macro in your 2nd tiddler that has the 3rd 
macro. e.g:


title: My Invocation tiddler
tags: RandomTag

\define myMac(x,y)
<> <>
\end

<>



-- Mark


On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 5:56:07 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi
>  I have a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/Macro in that I have three macros, 
> tow of them work as sub-macro (like sub-function or private methods in 
> other programming language) for the main macro.
>
>
>- Example
>
> \define smac1(a)  This is $a$
> \define smac2(b)  and I it is really $b$.
>
> \define myMac(x,y)
> <> <>
> \end
>
>
>
> I use it like 
>
> <>
>
>
>
> The question is I want to have only myMac available globally and not smac1, 
> and smac2. Is it possible with TW?
>
> /Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: (re-)Presenting: LeftBar - a menu type sidebar, on the left

Mat,
 Is there anyway to disable the hover feature? Or restrict it to its icon 
only?
Most of the time when I want to resize the window by dragging the border, 
it activated and cause some problem with that!
/Mohammad


On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 12:06:41 AM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> LeftBar  has been updated. Major diff is 
> to remove the supporting Toggle plugin (now deprecated) thanks to new 
> checkbox functionality in 5.1.16.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] macro and submacro (private macro not available globally)

Hi
 I have a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/Macro in that I have three macros, 
tow of them work as sub-macro (like sub-function or private methods in 
other programming language) for the main macro.


   - Example

\define smac1(a)  This is $a$
\define smac2(b)  and I it is really $b$.

\define myMac(x,y)
<> <>
\end



I use it like 

<>



The question is I want to have only myMac available globally and not smac1, 
and smac2. Is it possible with TW?

/Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: macro within macro using macrocall

Hi Mark,
 That't true! The other think is the many logic you can do the same thing 
with the same results.
By the way, is there any place to have all these explained
When use <> for variable or <<>> or{!field} or {{!!filed}} 

Cheers
Mohammad



On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 3:49:56 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I don't know if this will fix your problem (without actually testing) but 
> one of the things that will drive you crazy (or at least me) with TW5 
> widgets is the inconsistent attributes/parameters.
>
> In this case, you need to call <$macrocall> with attribute "$name", not 
> "name" . Pretty much every time you use (or I use) a widget, I have to 
> double check the syntax at tiddlywiki.com, because it's different for 
> different widgets. For instance, if you had been invoking the "<$set> 
> widget, then the attribute really would have been "name".
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
>
> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 4:13:19 PM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I'm struggling getting macrocall to work to allow me to use a macro 
>> within a macro
>>
>> Here's what I originally wanted to do:
>>
>> Given this macro (<>)
>>
>> \define sliderO(label,text)
>> <$set name=this value=$(currentTiddler)$ >
>> <$button popup="$:/state/<>$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"
>> >$label$
>> <$reveal type="match" text="" default="" state="$:/state/<>$label$" 
>> animate="yes">
>>
>> $text$
>>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> I wanted to call that macro with the following as the text:
>>
>>  | ''resisted finger ext'' | <> |
>>
>>
>> So the content would be revealed with the slider mechanism.  The problem 
>> is that you can't have a <> within a <> I assume 
>> because of the "<<>>" repetition
>>
>> 
>>
>> The answer I presume from googling here is to use a macrocall, but for 
>> the life of me I can't seem to get it to work
>>
>> I tried setting the content as both a macro and a variable:
>>
>>
>> \define motor2ndorder()
>>  | ''resisted finger ext'' | <> |
>>
>> \end
>>
>> <$macrocall name=sliderO label="Motor 2nd Order" text=<>/>
>>
>> and
>>
>> <$vars text="""
>>  | ''resisted finger ext'' | <> |
>> """>
>>
>> <$macrocall name=sliderO label="Motor 2nd Order" text=<>/>
>>
>> but neither of those is working :(
>>
>> any suggestions?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [MuuriTouch] Reloaded

Great Job!
Keep going on!

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 9:15:39 AM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi community,
>
> because of some recent requests about MuuriTouch I'm opening this new 
> Thread to provide some updates
> the current plugin is located at http://tiddlytouch.tiddlyspot.com and 
> should be obtained from there, NOT from http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com 
> http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com includes highly experimental experiments 
> and should be seen as what it is, a muuri testing page, a playground, a demo
>
> Regarding a new plugin version:
>
> It's planned but I'm waiting for the new muuri release (see 
> https://github.com/haltu/muuri)
> Since the last version I've tried to create smaller tiddlywiki additions 
> from the lessons I've learned making MuuriTouch, and I've learned a lot 
> about the tiddlywiki internals which hopefully will result in a better new 
> MuuriTouch version.
>
>
> I'd like to use this thread to gather issues, ideas and suggestions and to 
> provide informations to this great community ;)
>
> c u later alligator,
> BTC
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [MuuriTouch] Reloaded

2018-07-01 Thread BurningTreeC


>
> Perhaps a MuuriList / Story List toggle in both views?
>
> Thanks for your work
>
> Tony
>

Thanks Tony,

yes a toggle to switch stories would be nice, I'll put it on the list

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[tw5] Re: [MuuriTouch] Reloaded

2018-07-01 Thread TonyM

Or any other list, this multiple views prepared before hand?


On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 8:09:50 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Perhaps a MuuriList / Story List toggle in both views?
>
> Thanks for your work
>
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 5:31:26 PM UTC+10, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> BuringTree,
>>>
>>> Looking forward to a reloaded version.
>>>
>>> I was wondering if there would be a way to (optionally) use the same 
>>> story as in the regular view or at least open it into the tile view or visa 
>>> versa.
>>>
>>
>> That could be done easily
>> The Muuri view uses its own storylist tiddler, but you could set that 
>> tiddler's list field to the same value as the $:/StoryList 's list field 
>> modifying the button that changes views a bit...
>> and when you leave view, you set the $:/StoryList 's list field to the 
>> value of the Muuri storylist list field...
>>
>>>
>>> I would most often work without the tiles on my desktop (some 
>>> exceptions), but there are the cases where the tile view is best, 
>>> especially once I go mobile or tablet. It would be nice to transition from 
>>> one to the other, with the same set of tiddlers.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 2:45:39 PM UTC+10, BurningTreeC wrote:

 Hi community,

 because of some recent requests about MuuriTouch I'm opening this new 
 Thread to provide some updates
 the current plugin is located at http://tiddlytouch.tiddlyspot.com and 
 should be obtained from there, NOT from http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com 
 http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com includes highly experimental 
 experiments and should be seen as what it is, a muuri testing page, a 
 playground, a demo

 Regarding a new plugin version:

 It's planned but I'm waiting for the new muuri release (see 
 https://github.com/haltu/muuri)
 Since the last version I've tried to create smaller tiddlywiki 
 additions from the lessons I've learned making MuuriTouch, and I've 
 learned 
 a lot about the tiddlywiki internals which hopefully will result in a 
 better new MuuriTouch version.


 I'd like to use this thread to gather issues, ideas and suggestions and 
 to provide informations to this great community ;)

 c u later alligator,
 BTC



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[tw5] Re: [MuuriTouch] Reloaded

2018-07-01 Thread TonyM

Perhaps a MuuriList / Story List toggle in both views?

Thanks for your work

Tony

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 5:31:26 PM UTC+10, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> BuringTree,
>>
>> Looking forward to a reloaded version.
>>
>> I was wondering if there would be a way to (optionally) use the same 
>> story as in the regular view or at least open it into the tile view or visa 
>> versa.
>>
>
> That could be done easily
> The Muuri view uses its own storylist tiddler, but you could set that 
> tiddler's list field to the same value as the $:/StoryList 's list field 
> modifying the button that changes views a bit...
> and when you leave view, you set the $:/StoryList 's list field to the 
> value of the Muuri storylist list field...
>
>>
>> I would most often work without the tiles on my desktop (some 
>> exceptions), but there are the cases where the tile view is best, 
>> especially once I go mobile or tablet. It would be nice to transition from 
>> one to the other, with the same set of tiddlers.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 2:45:39 PM UTC+10, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi community,
>>>
>>> because of some recent requests about MuuriTouch I'm opening this new 
>>> Thread to provide some updates
>>> the current plugin is located at http://tiddlytouch.tiddlyspot.com and 
>>> should be obtained from there, NOT from http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com 
>>> http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com includes highly experimental experiments 
>>> and should be seen as what it is, a muuri testing page, a playground, a demo
>>>
>>> Regarding a new plugin version:
>>>
>>> It's planned but I'm waiting for the new muuri release (see 
>>> https://github.com/haltu/muuri)
>>> Since the last version I've tried to create smaller tiddlywiki additions 
>>> from the lessons I've learned making MuuriTouch, and I've learned a lot 
>>> about the tiddlywiki internals which hopefully will result in a better new 
>>> MuuriTouch version.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to use this thread to gather issues, ideas and suggestions and 
>>> to provide informations to this great community ;)
>>>
>>> c u later alligator,
>>> BTC
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: macro within macro using macrocall

2018-07-01 Thread PMario


On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 1:19:56 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I don't know if this will fix your problem (without actually testing) but 
> one of the things that will drive you crazy (or at least me) with TW5 
> widgets is the inconsistent attributes/parameters.
>

It's not inconsistency, but needed. 
 

> In this case, you need to call <$macrocall> with attribute "$name", not 
> "name" . Pretty much every time you use (or I use) a widget, I have to 
> double check the syntax at tiddlywiki.com, because it's different for 
> different widgets. For instance, if you had been invoking the "<$set> 
> widget, then the attribute really would have been "name".
>


   - The macrocall widget needs to know which macro should be used: $name
   - Macros can have named parameters, eg: name ... 


So the  widget needs to know, which name is a parameter for the 
macro and which one is the macro $name. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Steps in list of tillders