date:20200425

Hey Anne-Laure:  You needn't get used to html anchor tags for external 
links; in Markdown, the syntax for external links is:

inline link to [the canonical TiddlyWiki site](https://tiddlywiki.com/), 
for example

This is both easy to read and reasonably intuitive to write -one reason why 
i am so grateful that Markdown has become the defacto standard for people 
who write for the web these days.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:31:10 AM UTC+1, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:
>
> Thanks so much, Mark! Not going to use it for now then, my muscle memory 
> of [[*]] is too strong :) Going to gave to get used to html anchor tags for 
> external links. Thank you for clarifying!
>
>> ...
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Markdown plugin doesn't work

Hey Mark:  Good to hear! am glad to have jumped on board since 5.1.22 (just 
yesterday in fact :-), in light of what you've written, because -while i 
appreciate the Wiki Text syntax for writings that will remain inside 
TiddlyWiki- i really need Markdown in those tiddlers i intend to export out 
of the TW environment.  Am having some trouble with this though, as my 
experience thus far is not consistent with yours on a few points -to wit:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:33:41 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> ...
> You got on board TW at the right time. A month ago markdown on TW didn't 
> acknowledge or use any wikitext (the mark up language used by TW).
>
> Today, with 5.1.22, tiddlers using markdown can use wikitext UNLESS it's 
> markup style conflicts with that of markdown's. Also, it's rendered on a 
> line-by-line basis.
>
> The bad news is that [[*]] conflicts with markdown (or at least that's how 
> I understand it).
>

Meaning that: enclosing a string in double square brackets has some meaning 
in Markdown?  I've tried it in several Markdown editing tools, and am not 
seeing how strings so marked-down appear any different in the rendering.

The medium news is that widgets don't conflict, so you can use instead:
>
> <$link>My Tiddler
>

Interesting:  This markup renders enclosed string as something that *looks* 
like a link (i.e. font color blue, underlined on rollover, in the default 
them), but does not go anywhere on mouseclick.

> You can also use traditional HTML markup like this:
>
> My tiddler
>

Even MORE interesting:  this one works on mouseclick to open the tiddler 
whose name is inside the tags, but it also throws this error message:

Internal JavaScript Error
Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki by 
refreshing your browser

So i refreshed (TiddlyDesktop version 0.0.13 (13) for Mac), clicked the 
link... And it opened the file of this TiddlyWiki instance in my web 
browser, instead of desktop -and that to the default view, not to the 
tiddler whose name i clicked.

Can't understand this behavior well enough to manage it... So i'll have to 
avoid using internal links in tiddlers of the text/x-markdown datatype, 
until i get this figured out.  Meanwhile: any additional light you might 
shed on how this all works would be much appreciated!

so i have

so

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[tw5] Re: What is a large tiddlywiki file size? What is too large?

You have 9 megs in your $:/Import tiddler ! Delete that and you'll feel 
much better.



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 8:34:48 PM UTC-7, Bob Jansen wrote:
>
> I am working on a tiddlywiki of images of a book of newspaper clippings 
> covering a forty year period. There will be about 180 main tiddlers each 
> with an image of a page. I am working on extracting the names of people, 
> places, names, and exhibitions mentioned in a clipping so that the reader 
> can easily navigate through the book to pages of interest. Each page then 
> has an image loaded from an external folder, a list of names, each linked 
> to a tiddler providing additional information about the name, such as other 
> pages upon which the name appears, links to external biographical sources, 
> etc.
>
> The issue I am facing is that with only 13% of the pages processed, the 
> tiddlywiki file size is already 12Mbyte. At this rate, the final fie size 
> could be closer to 100Mbyte. That seems like a large file to load into a 
> browser from a web server.
>
> Anybody got any suggestions as to whether this is going to be too large as 
> a single file? How can the file size be reduced, is anything able to be 
> removed from the file? Is it possible to split the single file into smaller 
> files and of so how?
>
> One other question, as you can see, each page has the names in a list on 
> the page itself and as a tag. That seems to be duplication. Anyone wishing 
> to provide their feedback as to which should be used, or keep both?
>
>
> http://cultconv.com/English/Conversations/MacQueen_Mary/TiddlyWiki/index.html
>
> bobj
>

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[tw5] Re: Retrieving external url title

Hi Tony K
Would you please add a little text explaining how the plugin work?
The Readme.md in https://github.com/akhater/TiddlyWiki-EasyBookmark
has no instruction.

--Mohammad

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 2:14:46 AM UTC+4:30, Tony K wrote:
>
> Done 
>
> here is my first plug-in ever
>
> it is working 100% but, for some reasons, some webpages refuse to work i 
> can't get my head around it yet
>
> https://github.com/akhater/TiddlyWiki-EasyBookmark
>
> hope it will help someone 
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:56:46 AM UTC+3, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, gotcha! I don't know about a solution that works on mobile. I'll be 
>> following this thread out of curiosity.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:25:20 AM UTC+1, Tony K wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Anne for the reply
>>>
>>> Problem with booklets is they operate in the browser. What I mean is how 
>>> to use them if you are on mobile? 
>>>
>>> That's why I was looking at something that is TW5 side so a simple copy 
>>> paste would be enough 
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] What is a large tiddlywiki file size? What is too large?

2020-04-25 Thread Bob Jansen

I am working on a tiddlywiki of images of a book of newspaper clippings
covering a forty year period. There will be about 180 main tiddlers each
with an image of a page. I am working on extracting the names of people,
places, names, and exhibitions mentioned in a clipping so that the reader
can easily navigate through the book to pages of interest. Each page then
has an image loaded from an external folder, a list of names, each linked
to a tiddler providing additional information about the name, such as other
pages upon which the name appears, links to external biographical sources,
etc.

The issue I am facing is that with only 13% of the pages processed, the
tiddlywiki file size is already 12Mbyte. At this rate, the final fie size
could be closer to 100Mbyte. That seems like a large file to load into a
browser from a web server.

Anybody got any suggestions as to whether this is going to be too large as
a single file? How can the file size be reduced, is anything able to be
removed from the file? Is it possible to split the single file into smaller
files and of so how?

One other question, as you can see, each page has the names in a list on
the page itself and as a tag. That seems to be duplication. Anyone wishing
to provide their feedback as to which should be used, or keep both?

http://cultconv.com/English/Conversations/MacQueen_Mary/TiddlyWiki/index.html

bobj

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyServer upgraded to 5.1.22 (and NPM install)

I'm running Linux, but like Mohammad I don't see a server.js file in the 
unzipped packages.

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 1:39:44 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyServer upgraded to 5.1.22 (and NPM install)

Because each zip file extracts with "package" dir, I'm lost what the final 
structure is supposed to be after the two packages are combined. Could you 
give a quick (text based) diagram of the structure?

 ~/TiddlyServer/node_modules/package/

or

 ~/TiddlyServer/node_modules/tiddlywiki-production/

or ???

I kind of lose track of which directory you mean by "it" in your release 
instructions.

Thanks!

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 1:39:44 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I've upgraded TiddlyServer to target 5.1.22. 
>
> @someguynamedmatt helped rearrange the build process, resulting in a clean 
> production build. So, I've now published TiddlyServer to npm and you can 
> install it by running 
>
>  npm install -g tiddlyserver
>
> This will install it globally, which also puts it in your PATH, so you can 
> run it directly using 
>
>  tiddlyserver --config /path/to/settings.json
>
> Windows should also work just fine. You can use the tilde (~) if your 
> shell supports it. I forgot to include tilde support for the config 
> parameter (if the shell passes it through). I'll add that in the future. 
>
> If you don't have npm installed or you want to do a portable install, 
> you'll find the archives listed at 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/v2.2.0-alpha-3. I 
> downloaded the tgz files from npm, and the zip files are the same archive 
> converted to a zip file. 
>
> I've separated out the tiddlywiki bundle into a separate npm package. If 
> you're familiar with that it's still the same idea. I will add more info to 
> the readme, but for now it's ready to use. It also includes the client-side 
> .js files for adding in an html page, which probably nobody uses yet. I'm 
> still working on the use cases and so forth for that, so that's just a 
> little teaser. 
>
> https://www.npmjs.com/package/tiddlywiki-production
>
> As always, remember to create backups before upgrading.
>
> Enjoy, 
> Arlen
>

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Re: [tw5] Live Demo: SVG, embedded buttons controlling animations, audio, other widgets embedded

2020-04-25 Thread A Gloom



> <$set name="orgn1" value={{!!filter-field1}}>
> <$set name="orgn2" value={{!!filter-field2}}>
> <$set name="whv3" value={{!!filter-field3}}>
> <$set name="whv4" value={{!!filter-field4}}>
>

<$vars orgn1={{!!filter-field1}} orgn2={{!!filter-field2}} 
whv3={{!!filter-field3}} whv4={{!!filter-field4}} > 

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Re: [tw5] Live Demo: SVG, embedded buttons controlling animations, audio, other widgets embedded

2020-04-25 Thread A Gloom

This is how I did the viewBox by buttons with a macro
 a macro for the viewBox attribuute with variable transclusins from 
fields set by the buttons
  viewBox=<>

\define viewBox4(origin1:"0",origin2:"0",wh1:"240",wh2:"240")
$origin1$ $origin2$ $wh1$ $wh2$
\end

<$set name="orgn1" value={{!!filter-field1}}>
<$set name="orgn2" value={{!!filter-field2}}>
<$set name="whv3" value={{!!filter-field3}}>
<$set name="whv4" value={{!!filter-field4}}>
default viewBox: <> -- current viewBox: <>

http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; 
xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; viewBox=<> width="240">



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[tw5] Re: Is there a solution for triggering scrolling to to Top ( when you are not using the storyriver. )

You have written a macro, not a widget.

Look at one of the action widgets and write an action-totop widget, e.g:
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/core/modules/widgets/action-deletetiddler.js

The invokeAction method is where the logic goes for what happens when the 
widget is triggered.



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 8:40:56 PM UTC+2, Jan wrote:
>
> Hi, 
> I made a Landing-Page which uses its own Pagetemplate and hides the 
> storyriver: https://szen.io/Grid/ 
> The grid can be restructured by setting a tag to filter content. 
> When a user triggers this action, it would be great to scroll to the top 
> of the Webpage automatically. 
> How can I do this? 
>
> Best wishes Jan 
>
> Hi, 
>
> I tried to build a widget, but so far it wont work. 
>
>
>
> /*\
> title: $:/core/modules/macros/totop.js
> type: application/javascript
> module-type: macro
> Macro that scrolls to the top
> \*/
>
> (function(){
>/*jslint node: true, browser: true */
>/*global $tw: false */
>"use strict";
>
> /*
> Information about this macro
> */
>exports.name = "totop";
>exports.params = [
>];
> /*
> Run the macro
> */
>exports.run = function() {
>var totopp = window.scrollTo({ top: 0, behavior: 'smooth' });
>totopp;
> }
> })();
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Looking for a debug how-to/tutorial

2020-04-25 Thread Petruschka

Hello Mat,

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 6:19:18 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> It depends on what kind of bugs you've introduced but the "UI way" would 
> be to go to Ctrlpanel > Basics > Info and look at very bottom there to 
> investigate which shadow tiddlers have been overwritten, i.e click the 
> little magnifying glass.
>
> Then you can delete one of those tiddlers at a time, and save+reload, to 
> see if it helped. What happens when you delete a manipulated shadow tiddler 
> is that it resets it to the original.
>

I will try what you proposed. Thank you.


> Before everything, you should of course update the wiki to latest version.
>
> You mention backups so I assume this is already taken care of, which would 
> be the very first step.
>
> If your bugs are of a more serious kind where you e.g have manipulated the 
> file content via an external editor then I'm not sure what to do.
>
> <:-)
>

Already done, 5.1.22 - no external editing involved - only importing 
tiddlers and plugins. :) 

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[tw5] Re: Retrieving external url title

2020-04-25 Thread Tony K

Done 

here is my first plug-in ever

it is working 100% but, for some reasons, some webpages refuse to work i 
can't get my head around it yet

https://github.com/akhater/TiddlyWiki-EasyBookmark

hope it will help someone 

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:56:46 AM UTC+3, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Oh, gotcha! I don't know about a solution that works on mobile. I'll be 
> following this thread out of curiosity.
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:25:20 AM UTC+1, Tony K wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Anne for the reply
>>
>> Problem with booklets is they operate in the browser. What I mean is how 
>> to use them if you are on mobile? 
>>
>> That's why I was looking at something that is TW5 side so a simple copy 
>> paste would be enough 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a solution for triggering scrolling to to Top ( when you are not using the storyriver. )

Maybe

trigger
...
<$set name=top filter="""[list[$:/StoryList]first[]]""" >
<$action-navigate $to=<>/>


<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Is there a solution for triggering scrolling to to Top ( when you are not using the storyriver. )

Thomas Elmigers Linktotop 


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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:06:13 PM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:
>
> @Mohammad: these look amazing! We need to have a proper gallery of themes 
> in the new tiddlywiki.com - it will really help to get people excited.
>
> And talky talky looks amazing, but already a bit more technical :)
>
That is true! I just wanted to show the theme and page layout already 
existed for creating Intro

Best
Mohammad

>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:41:22 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Anne-Laure
>>>
>>>
- It's the fist time I see the introduction walkthrough 
, this is going to 
become my go-to when telling people about TiddlyWiki

 Have you seen the https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/  presentation by 
>>> Jeremy!
>>> I think this is a great edition of Tiddlywiki to be used for brief 
>>> introduction!
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>
>>
>> Don't forget to click the full screen button on the top right! 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is there a solution for triggering scrolling to to Top ( when you are not using the storyriver. )

2020-04-25 Thread Jan


Hi,
I made a Landing-Page which uses its own Pagetemplate and hides the 
storyriver: https://szen.io/Grid/

The grid can be restructured by setting a tag to filter content.
When a user triggers this action, it would be great to scroll to the 
top of the Webpage automatically.

How can I do this?

Best wishes Jan


Hi,

I tried to build a widget, but so far it wont work.

|

/*\
title: $:/core/modules/macros/totop.js
type: application/javascript
module-type: macro
Macro that scrolls to the top
\*/

(function(){
   /*jslint node: true, browser: true */
   /*global $tw: false */
   "use strict";

/*
Information about this macro
*/
   exports.name = "totop";
   exports.params = [
   ];
/*
Run the macro
*/
   exports.run = function() {
   var totopp = window.scrollTo({ top: 0, behavior: 'smooth' });
   totopp;
}
})();|


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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

@Mohammad: these look amazing! We need to have a proper gallery of themes 
in the new tiddlywiki.com - it will really help to get people excited.

And talky talky looks amazing, but already a bit more technical :)

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:41:22 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Anne-Laure
>>
>>
>>>- It's the fist time I see the introduction walkthrough 
>>>, this is going to 
>>>become my go-to when telling people about TiddlyWiki
>>>
>>> Have you seen the https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/  presentation by 
>> Jeremy!
>> I think this is a great edition of Tiddlywiki to be used for brief 
>> introduction!
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>
>
> Don't forget to click the full screen button on the top right! 
>

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[tw5] Re: Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

You can find the latest thread here:Bob 
 


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[tw5] Re: Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

Bob is a node-based server for TW that can run multiple wikis at a time and 
allow mult-user access. It can also save single-file wikis

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob

Here's another approach to saving.

When your copy of TW saves numbered copies of your file into your browsers 
download directory, it's using the default save mechanism. This mechanism 
works pretty much with any browser, making it the most universal save 
solution. The problem is that the name and location of the saved file is 
not convenient. The Polly project runs a PS* script in the background that 
can find and copy your version in the download directory back to it's 
original location. One idea is that the script could be enhanced at some 
point to allow sub-scripts to be run. These scripts could do something like 
a git pull on your TW's directory. That way your local and cloud (github) 
versions would be kept in synch. Unfortunately, Polly hasn't grabbed a lot 
of attention, so I just work on it when there seems to be a need:

https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/

* PS is powershell, which runs on Windows, Linux, and Mac 

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There are some 20+ solutions to saving listed at TiddlyWiki.com. Another 
possibility for GH and TW is to put your GH folder below the downloads 
directory. Then use PMarios' file-backups extension to save your file. From 
time to time you would need to commit and push your saved file.

Another possibility is to use the local storage saver in conjunction with 
the GH saver. In this configuration, TW is constantly saving itself to the 
browser's storage without having to press the save button. When you press 
the save button, the file gets pushed to GH. You can then periodically do a 
pull to upate your local copy. In the event that you have a net 
disconnection, turn off the GH saver and save a local copy (in this case, 
setting the browser to ask where you want to save might be a good thing).

Local browser can be confusing, at least it was for me. Jeremy warns us 
that the browser could cleanse it's internal cache. So far no one has 
reported that event. Then again, I'm not sure whether many are using it. 
But used in conjunction with GH the loss of an internal cache might not be 
a total disaster. I'm relating this as best as I can from memory, since I 
only played with local storage/GH for a short time a couple weeks ago.

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-7, ludwa6 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the good explainer, Jed; clarifies some things i've been 
> wondering about.  
>
> As to documentation, i'm still pretty fuzzy (still finding my way around 
> the many granular pieces at tiddlywiki.com) but would like to know: what 
> is this "Bobs" of which you speak? 
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:30:17 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> ludwa6,
>>
>> In a browser it isn't possible to save things the way you are talking 
>> about without some external help, like the browser plugins discussed on 
>> tiddlywiki.com. These are restrictions built into browsers and we can't 
>> change them. The way around them is to make a new browser, which is 
>> essentially what tiddlydesktop is, or to use one of the non-git or 
>> tiddlyspot savers that saves locally. Unfortunately the only thing that 
>> works out of the box without any other installation is saving on remote 
>> servers. I could say a lot about this but it would take a long time and be 
>> about 90% profanity.
>>
>> As far as the documentation goes, I am probably the wrong person to write 
>> that, but a GitHub issue would probably get some discussion and results. I 
>> have learned that there is almost no overlap in the documentation that I 
>> find useful and what most other people seem to find useful, if the 
>> reactions to Bobs documentation are any indication.
>>
>

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[tw5] Create TiddlyWiki sitemap

Hi everyone,

I added the following command to my build.sh file in order to generate a 
sitemap of my TiddlyWiki static website:

--rendertiddler sitemap sitemap.xml text/plain


So my full render command looks like this now:

tiddlywiki --rendertiddlers [!is[system]] 
$:/ness_labs/templates/static.tiddler.html static text/plain 
--rendertiddler $:/ness_labs/templates/static.template.css 
static/static.css text/plain --rendertiddler sitemap sitemap.xml text/plain


I do get a sitemap.xml file, but it's empty. Is there anything else I 
should do beside using this command?

(all of this will be going into a SEO guide for TW btw!)

Thank you!
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

Just drag them into your file in your browser. Or, export them as tid files
and put them in the folder where your nodejs tids are.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 11:30 AM Kyrylo Zapylaiev  wrote:

> Thanks! Sorry about the offtopic, but how can I extract/import these
> tiddlers in order to create a custom plugin for nodejs environment?
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 7:04:03 PM UTC+3, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kyrylo
>>
>> The primary tiddlers for this transclude backlinks in four different
>> ways, according to one's preferences
>>
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refscontext
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refslinks
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludeclean
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludecollapse
>>
>> and the buttons
>>
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewToolbar/new-note-here
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewToolbar/new-note-here-datetime
>>
>> If you want just backlinks, I think that might be all you need, other
>> than maybe the Stylesheet, $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet4tiddlyblink Please
>> get them from https://giffmex.org/experiments/tiddlyblink.experiment.html,
>> though, not from the original TiddlyBlink site.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:37:16 AM UTC-5, Kyrylo Zapylaiev wrote:
>>>
>>> David, first of all, thank you for all your hard work. But
>>> unfortunately, it's not clear how to add the only functionality of showing
>>> bi-directional links, instead of the whole bunch of custom theming and
>>> articles. I mean, is it possible to add to my own vanilla TiddlyWiki just
>>> the functionality? Because, when I imported the plugin (by dragging 'tb'
>>> tag) it imported a lot and changed my preferences: date format, animations,
>>> added some tiddlers, etc. Is it possible to have only functionality?
>>>
>>> Maybe I just don't understand how plugins work in TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:38:18 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Raghu, if you go to the online Tiddlyblink, drag the tag 'tb' from the
 top tiddler into your own file. Then hit the import button, then hit save,
 and refresh the browser. That should be enough to import everything but the
 tutorials.


 Bi-directional links apply to links between tiddlers in the file, not
 to pages outside the file. But as I mention in the documentation, some
 things such as open and close brackets and parentheses break the links.

 On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:04 AM Raghu Veer S  wrote:

> Hey guys, I was trying to add TiddlyBlink to my my personal wiki, but
> the directions mentioned in 
> here*(https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
> )* says to drag links
> from the TiddlyBlink wiki to My wiki.
>
> 1. I tried importing all of them(all the links present in this tiddler:*
> $:/.giffmex/meta/How.to.add.TiddlyBlink.to.your.TiddlyWiki*) but I
> still couldn't get any of the featues— the autocomplete feature on typing
> "[[" or the bidirectional links feature or the custom view feature. (Which
> files should I be importing to my wiki to get the features to work?)
> 2. When you say bidirectional, isn't it like you should be able to
> have a link back to the original page from the linked page too. I do not
> see that in the TiddlyBlink wiki.(Does it allow navigation back to 
> original
> file from the linked file as Roam does)
>
> Can anyone help me with it. I am not sure how I should go about adding
> the plugin to my personal wiki.
>
> —Raghu
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:51:47 AM UTC+5:30, David Gifford
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> TiddlyBlink is the new name I am giving to the Roam-y experiment I
>> have been working on for the last few days:
>>
>> Same link for now:
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html
>>
>> I don't consider it finished yet, but I wanted you to be able to see
>> and experiment with it.
>>
>> I worked with yesterday's version for the afternoon and found it
>> speeding up my note taking by a lot. But this has a number of 
>> improvements.
>> I hope you all find it helpful.
>>
>> As for the name: blink as in *b*idirectional *link*s, and blink
>> because it helps you work fast, as in "in the blink of an eye".
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: ALERT! In about 1h the meeting starts

We're still on introductions. so anyone can still join.

Very few tiddlywikians so far!

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Re: [tw5] Re: ALERT! In about 1h the meeting starts

I still hope to join but will be a little late,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 25 Apr 2020, at 17:48, Mat  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not sure how to attend tho... the invitation reads
> 
> This is an online only event. We will provide a Zoom video conference link 30 
> minutes before the session here and in the IndieWeb chat.
> 
> ...but ain't no link and no nothin in the chat that I can see.
> 
> 
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[tw5] Re: ALERT! In about 1h the meeting starts

Thanks Mat!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:19:13 PM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> Ah, now!
>
> Zoom link: 
> https://zoom.us/j/95012434695?pwd=cEsyTWRMRXA0d3QxMFNzeFRreENzQT09
> Meeting ID: 950-1243-4695
> Meeting Password: 021089
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[tw5] Re: ALERT! In about 1h the meeting starts

Ah, now!

Zoom link: 
https://zoom.us/j/95012434695?pwd=cEsyTWRMRXA0d3QxMFNzeFRreENzQT09
Meeting ID: 950-1243-4695
Meeting Password: 021089

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[tw5] Re: Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

Thanks for the good explainer, Jed; clarifies some things i've been 
wondering about.  

As to documentation, i'm still pretty fuzzy (still finding my way around 
the many granular pieces at tiddlywiki.com) but would like to know: what is 
this "Bobs" of which you speak? 

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:30:17 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> ludwa6,
>
> In a browser it isn't possible to save things the way you are talking 
> about without some external help, like the browser plugins discussed on 
> tiddlywiki.com. These are restrictions built into browsers and we can't 
> change them. The way around them is to make a new browser, which is 
> essentially what tiddlydesktop is, or to use one of the non-git or 
> tiddlyspot savers that saves locally. Unfortunately the only thing that 
> works out of the box without any other installation is saving on remote 
> servers. I could say a lot about this but it would take a long time and be 
> about 90% profanity.
>
> As far as the documentation goes, I am probably the wrong person to write 
> that, but a GitHub issue would probably get some discussion and results. I 
> have learned that there is almost no overlap in the documentation that I 
> find useful and what most other people seem to find useful, if the 
> reactions to Bobs documentation are any indication.
>

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[tw5] Re: ALERT! In about 1h the meeting starts

Not sure how to attend tho... the invitation 

reads

This is an online only event. We will provide a Zoom video conference link 
30 minutes before the session here and in the IndieWeb chat 
.

...but ain't no link and no nothin in the chat that I can see.


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[tw5] Re: ALERT! In about 1h the meeting starts

Ah Thank you Mat for reminder!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 8:16:08 PM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> In another thread 
> , 
> fellow Chris Aldrich invites...
>
> For those who may be interested in using TiddlyWiki in public or as a 
>> personal website, you might appreciate this upcoming (free) IndieWebCamp 
>> session I'll be hosting on April 25th at 10:00 AM Pacific: 
>>
>> https://boffosocko.com/2020/04/17/gardens-and-streams-wikis-blogs-and-ui-a-pop-up-indiewebcamp-session/
>
>
> So that's in about 1h.
>
> ...now if only this will work on my new laptop... finger crossed.
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki


>
> Anne-Laure
>
>
>>- It's the fist time I see the introduction walkthrough 
>>, this is going to 
>>become my go-to when telling people about TiddlyWiki
>>
>> Have you seen the https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/  presentation by 
> Jeremy!
> I think this is a great edition of Tiddlywiki to be used for brief 
> introduction!
>
> --Mohammad
>


Don't forget to click the full screen button on the top right! 

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

@Anne-Laure


>- It's the fist time I see the introduction walkthrough 
>, this is going to 
>become my go-to when telling people about TiddlyWiki
>
> Have you seen the https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/  presentation by 
Jeremy!
I think this is a great edition of Tiddlywiki to be used for brief 
introduction!

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[tw5] Re: Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread Jed Carty

ludwa6,

In a browser it isn't possible to save things the way you are talking about 
without some external help, like the browser plugins discussed on 
tiddlywiki.com. These are restrictions built into browsers and we can't 
change them. The way around them is to make a new browser, which is 
essentially what tiddlydesktop is, or to use one of the non-git or 
tiddlyspot savers that saves locally. Unfortunately the only thing that 
works out of the box without any other installation is saving on remote 
servers. I could say a lot about this but it would take a long time and be 
about 90% profanity.

As far as the documentation goes, I am probably the wrong person to write 
that, but a GitHub issue would probably get some discussion and results. I 
have learned that there is almost no overlap in the documentation that I 
find useful and what most other people seem to find useful, if the 
reactions to Bobs documentation are any indication.

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

2020-04-25 Thread Kyrylo Zapylaiev

Thanks! Sorry about the offtopic, but how can I extract/import these 
tiddlers in order to create a custom plugin for nodejs environment?

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 7:04:03 PM UTC+3, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Kyrylo
>
> The primary tiddlers for this transclude backlinks in four different ways, 
> according to one's preferences
>
> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refscontext 
> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refslinks 
> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludeclean 
> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludecollapse 
>
> and the buttons
>
> $:/.giffmex/ViewToolbar/new-note-here 
> $:/.giffmex/ViewToolbar/new-note-here-datetime 
>
> If you want just backlinks, I think that might be all you need, other than 
> maybe the Stylesheet, $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet4tiddlyblink Please get them 
> from https://giffmex.org/experiments/tiddlyblink.experiment.html, though, 
> not from the original TiddlyBlink site.
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:37:16 AM UTC-5, Kyrylo Zapylaiev wrote:
>>
>> David, first of all, thank you for all your hard work. But unfortunately, 
>> it's not clear how to add the only functionality of showing bi-directional 
>> links, instead of the whole bunch of custom theming and articles. I mean, 
>> is it possible to add to my own vanilla TiddlyWiki just the functionality? 
>> Because, when I imported the plugin (by dragging 'tb' tag) it imported a 
>> lot and changed my preferences: date format, animations, added some 
>> tiddlers, etc. Is it possible to have only functionality?
>>
>> Maybe I just don't understand how plugins work in TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:38:18 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Raghu, if you go to the online Tiddlyblink, drag the tag 'tb' from the 
>>> top tiddler into your own file. Then hit the import button, then hit save, 
>>> and refresh the browser. That should be enough to import everything but the 
>>> tutorials.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bi-directional links apply to links between tiddlers in the file, not to 
>>> pages outside the file. But as I mention in the documentation, some things 
>>> such as open and close brackets and parentheses break the links.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:04 AM Raghu Veer S  wrote:
>>>
 Hey guys, I was trying to add TiddlyBlink to my my personal wiki, but 
 the directions mentioned in 
 here*(https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html 
 )* says to drag links from 
 the TiddlyBlink wiki to My wiki. 

 1. I tried importing all of them(all the links present in this tiddler:* 
 $:/.giffmex/meta/How.to.add.TiddlyBlink.to.your.TiddlyWiki*) but I 
 still couldn't get any of the featues— the autocomplete feature on typing 
 "[[" or the bidirectional links feature or the custom view feature. (Which 
 files should I be importing to my wiki to get the features to work?)
 2. When you say bidirectional, isn't it like you should be able to have 
 a link back to the original page from the linked page too. I do not see 
 that in the TiddlyBlink wiki.(Does it allow navigation back to original 
 file from the linked file as Roam does)

 Can anyone help me with it. I am not sure how I should go about adding 
 the plugin to my personal wiki.

 —Raghu


 On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:51:47 AM UTC+5:30, David Gifford 
 wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> TiddlyBlink is the new name I am giving to the Roam-y experiment I 
> have been working on for the last few days: 
>
> Same link for now: 
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html
>
> I don't consider it finished yet, but I wanted you to be able to see 
> and experiment with it.
>
> I worked with yesterday's version for the afternoon and found it 
> speeding up my note taking by a lot. But this has a number of 
> improvements. 
> I hope you all find it helpful.
>
> As for the name: blink as in *b*idirectional *link*s, and blink 
> because it helps you work fast, as in "in the blink of an eye".
>
> Dave
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[tw5] Re: Looking for a debug how-to/tutorial

It depends on what kind of bugs you've introduced but the "UI way" would be 
to go to Ctrlpanel > Basics > Info and look at very bottom there to 
investigate which shadow tiddlers have been overwritten, i.e click the 
little magnifying glass.

Then you can delete one of those tiddlers at a time, and save+reload, to 
see if it helped. What happens when you delete a manipulated shadow tiddler 
is that it resets it to the original.

Before everything, you should of course update the wiki to latest version.

You mention backups so I assume this is already taken care of, which would 
be the very first step.

If your bugs are of a more serious kind where you e.g have manipulated the 
file content via an external editor then I'm not sure what to do.

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

To Mario post I would like o add the great themes by JD

- http://j.d.tiddlyspot.com/
- http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
- http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/   (a lovely theme)
- http://j.d.search.tiddlyspot.com/  (two column like TiddlyBlink)

and Ton Gerener

-  http://tw5mobile.tiddlyspot.com/


and  some others ...

--Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

IMHO Jed: The default option -active on installation, and working with the 
very first edit/save on a tiddler- should be to update (not duplicate) the 
file wherever it sits on the user's machine... And the "Saving" control 
panel should have a line of contextual guidance to say in effect: "this is 
the default, and these other options -if activated- will result in the 
following change to that default" -if any (i am still not clear if these 
saving options are all mutually compatible, or exclusive, or what).  

I just know that i have clicked the two relevant-sounding saver options - 
Saving:General: AutoSave, and Download Saver: Enable AutoSave for Download 
Saver - both on and off, to no apparent effect, i.e. i still wind up having 
to save a new file with a different name (version digit incremented by one) 
on my desktop.  For me, this is both non-intuitive and unduly frictional, 
even if you know what you have to do. 

Anyway: that's all in the web browser UI (Chrome / Firefox / Safari -have 
tried all)... But since i have as Jeremy suggested moved my workflow to 
Tiddly Desktop, this is no longer an issue: local save seems to work fine 
-albeit *without* the GitHub Saver turned on.

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:38:35 PM UTC+1, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> If you don't mind my asking, what features are missing from the savers 
> available? I haven't used anything but bob in a while but my understanding 
> is that the browser extensions save to the local file system without any 
> problems.
>
> I am looking at improving the saver bob uses for single file wikis so I am 
> looking for feature ideas.
>

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[tw5] Looking for a debug how-to/tutorial

2020-04-25 Thread Petruschka

Hello,

does anyone may know where I can find a tutorial or a how-to to debug TW? 

On and off for over 12 years, I always break it (by trying another great 
idea of the TW universe) in a way no backups will handle the situation. 
Often it was a hidden or rare used function (plugins function e.g. right 
know) which broke and made it unusable for me. So I would like to learn 
help myself.

Any hints? Thanks in advance for anything.


PS Right know I discovered I can't go back from my plugin menu (with 0 
searchable plugins) and I have to reload the wiki to use it again.

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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Hi Jeremy,
 I confirm the test example now works on https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/

Many thanks.

Cheers
Mohammad

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 6:54:29 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> I’ve pushed an update that switches to evaluating the subfilter once for 
> each input item, setting the currentTiddler variable for each evaluation. 
> This makes the expression [{!!value}divide{!!cost}] work properly. It’s a 
> bit slower, but definitely more useful.
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/ad575efdcc4d03f9d09bf72defe0e8146164d34f
>
> The update will be available on https://tiddlywiki.com/prelease in a few 
> minutes (you can check on build progress here: 
> https://travis-ci.org/github/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/builds)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:42, Mohammad > 
> wrote:
>
> Jeremy,
>  Many thanks for clarification! Got the point!
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 6:03:50 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mohammad
>>
>> The reason we were getting different results is because I had built the 
>> index.html I was using on my Mac, whereas you were using the online version 
>> that had been built on servers run by TravisCI. Those two environments end 
>> up putting the tiddlers into the HTML file in a different order, which was 
>> the ordering we were seeing.
>>
>> The problem is my fault: I gave the expression 
>> [get{!!value}divide{!!time}] without testing it, and it won’t work in this 
>> context because it relies on the current tiddler. The trouble is that this 
>> filter is run once to convert every list item into the corresponding sort 
>> key. We can only set the current tiddler to a single value for that run of 
>> the filter, so it clearly can’t address every tiddler in the input set.
>>
>> The solution is to use the get operator to retrieve the field values from 
>> each item that is passed into the filter. Hence the examples in the docs 
>> such as [get[text]else[]length[]] not being written as [{!!text}length[]].
>>
>> The problem here is that we need to retrieve both field values, which 
>> can’t currently be done. We can do [get[cost]divide[23]] but nothing that 
>> will divide [get[cost]] by [get[value]].
>>
>> So, it turns out that at this point the subsort operator doesn’t actually 
>> meet the requirement in the OP. I’ll give it some thought.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:13, Mohammad  wrote:
>>
>> Strangely NO! 
>> I see Engineer, Doctor, Designer. I testing online on 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:30:51 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mohammad,
>>>
>>> Thank you, that’s helpful. I’m seeing the result Designer, Doctor, 
>>> Engineer, is that not what you are seeing?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 13:58, Mohammad  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi again Jeremy,
>>>  I have attached the sample tiddlers tested on 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>>  using the new *sortsub*
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

Hi Kyrylo

The primary tiddlers for this transclude backlinks in four different ways, 
according to one's preferences

$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refscontext 
$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refslinks 
$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludeclean 
$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludecollapse 

and the buttons

$:/.giffmex/ViewToolbar/new-note-here 
$:/.giffmex/ViewToolbar/new-note-here-datetime 

If you want just backlinks, I think that might be all you need, other than 
maybe the Stylesheet, $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet4tiddlyblink Please get them 
from https://giffmex.org/experiments/tiddlyblink.experiment.html, though, 
not from the original TiddlyBlink site.

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:37:16 AM UTC-5, Kyrylo Zapylaiev wrote:
>
> David, first of all, thank you for all your hard work. But unfortunately, 
> it's not clear how to add the only functionality of showing bi-directional 
> links, instead of the whole bunch of custom theming and articles. I mean, 
> is it possible to add to my own vanilla TiddlyWiki just the functionality? 
> Because, when I imported the plugin (by dragging 'tb' tag) it imported a 
> lot and changed my preferences: date format, animations, added some 
> tiddlers, etc. Is it possible to have only functionality?
>
> Maybe I just don't understand how plugins work in TiddlyWiki.
>
> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:38:18 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Raghu, if you go to the online Tiddlyblink, drag the tag 'tb' from the 
>> top tiddler into your own file. Then hit the import button, then hit save, 
>> and refresh the browser. That should be enough to import everything but the 
>> tutorials.
>>
>>
>> Bi-directional links apply to links between tiddlers in the file, not to 
>> pages outside the file. But as I mention in the documentation, some things 
>> such as open and close brackets and parentheses break the links.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:04 AM Raghu Veer S  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys, I was trying to add TiddlyBlink to my my personal wiki, but 
>>> the directions mentioned in 
>>> here*(https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html 
>>> )* says to drag links from 
>>> the TiddlyBlink wiki to My wiki. 
>>>
>>> 1. I tried importing all of them(all the links present in this tiddler:* 
>>> $:/.giffmex/meta/How.to.add.TiddlyBlink.to.your.TiddlyWiki*) but I 
>>> still couldn't get any of the featues— the autocomplete feature on typing 
>>> "[[" or the bidirectional links feature or the custom view feature. (Which 
>>> files should I be importing to my wiki to get the features to work?)
>>> 2. When you say bidirectional, isn't it like you should be able to have 
>>> a link back to the original page from the linked page too. I do not see 
>>> that in the TiddlyBlink wiki.(Does it allow navigation back to original 
>>> file from the linked file as Roam does)
>>>
>>> Can anyone help me with it. I am not sure how I should go about adding 
>>> the plugin to my personal wiki.
>>>
>>> —Raghu
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:51:47 AM UTC+5:30, David Gifford 
>>> wrote:

 Hi all

 TiddlyBlink is the new name I am giving to the Roam-y experiment I have 
 been working on for the last few days: 

 Same link for now: 
 https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html

 I don't consider it finished yet, but I wanted you to be able to see 
 and experiment with it.

 I worked with yesterday's version for the afternoon and found it 
 speeding up my note taking by a lot. But this has a number of 
 improvements. 
 I hope you all find it helpful.

 As for the name: blink as in *b*idirectional *link*s, and blink 
 because it helps you work fast, as in "in the blink of an eye".

 Dave

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Re: [tw5] URL of the current tiddler

Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Thanks so much Saq and Jeremy!
>
> Here  is the final 
> result – many thanks for your help!
>

Very nice and clean!
When link-popup is above the link, it seems the link is covered and cannot 
be clicked. The link is clickable if passing outside of the vertical 
"column" that  the link covers. When the popup is below the link, 
everything works.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] URL of the current tiddler

Hi Anne-Laure,

Thank you for sharing!



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 7:17:02 PM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:
>
> Thanks so much Saq and Jeremy!
>
> Here  is the final 
> result – many thanks for your help!
>

This is lovely! The UI is simple and semantic!
 
--Mohammad


> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 1:39:15 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to be late to this thread.
>>
>> The static site generation templates included in the core don’t need to 
>> know the URL at which the site will be published because it only generates 
>> relative URLs. As things stand, users have to edit the definition 
>> of tv-wikilink-template in those templates to include their full URL.
>>
>> An alternative that might work better in some situations would be pass 
>> the URL as a variable to the --rendertiddler or --render commands, and 
>> update the definition of tv-wikilink-template to include that variable.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 10:58, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>> @Anne-Laure you are welcome and this is helpful to the community too. We 
>> are very good at thinking in terms of manipulating content and presentation 
>> inside a running TW, but need some practice (and documentation) on 
>> extrapolating that to static html rendered from tiddlers.
>>
>> If you are keeping the JS macros in place, the last short version I 
>> posted is worth a try at some point.
>>
>> You are getting a uppercase first letter because the javascript macros 
>> turns the title into lowercase for the url and filenames.
>>
>> To do the same with tv-filter-export-link:
>> [split[ ]join[-]encodeuricomponent[]lowercase[]]
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:50:03 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much, Saq!
>>>
>>> I may look into this later, but when I implemented your approach, it 
>>> generated exactly what I wanted, for instance (that's from the static 
>>> website output):
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?source=https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativitytext=Folders
>>>  
>>> kill creativity:%20
>>> https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativityvia=anthilemoonhashtags=mentalnodes;
>>>  
>>> target="_blank" title="Tweet">>> src="social-icons/Twitter.png">
>>>
>>>
>>> (not sure why the URL says "Folders" and not "folders" but that's minor)
>>>
>>> Very grateful!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:37:13 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 @Anne-Laure we should have asked you for those files from the 
 beginning! That would have made helping you out a lot easier all along :)

 Those instructions for regex use one of the other three variables that 
 I mentioned, tv-get-export-link instead of tv-filter-export-link, which 
 requires javascript.

 You can mix and match both approaches but then it can be a little 
 tricky to ensure that both always return the exact same filenames and 
 corresponding links. This may not be an issue, but there is a chance it 
 might cause problems at some point. Basically its a case of making sure 
 the 
 filter in tv-filter-export-link does the exact same thing as the 
 javascript.

 With the way I outlined, you use the same filters for both and there is 
 no javascript involved, so there are no chances of such issues. Or 
 alternatively one could write another javascript macro that defines the 
 url 
 variable, using the same javascript logic.
 For a non-developer I think the non-javascript based approach will be 
 easiest in the long run.

 Regards,
 Saq

 On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:11:56 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
 wrote:
>
> Hi Saq,
>
> First, thanks so much for your help!
>
> Yes, I have modified *static.tiddler.html* - it looks like this 
> 
>  
> in my setup — and it looks like your approach is working! Thank you! Will 
> keep on tweaking, but if you're curious you can see here 
>  the files where I did 
> the regex edits. (following these instructions 
> 
> )
>
> Many thanks!
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:37:44 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> @Anne-Laure : I suspect we have been overcomplicating a bit because 
>> most of us are not familiar with the static site generation process. If 
>> you 
>> can walk us through a few details of your setup I think we are close a 
>> solution. Short instructions at the end, but please read through 
>> everything.
>>
>> Have you modified this template
>>  static.tiddler.html
>>
>> from the folder 
>> /core/templates?
>>
>> If so, please

Re: [tw5] URL of the current tiddler

Hovering the link everything on my screen blinks browser inclusive. It 
takes quite some time.

lørdag den 25. april 2020 kl. 16.47.02 UTC+2 skrev Anne-Laure Le Cunff:
>
> Thanks so much Saq and Jeremy!
>
> Here  is the final 
> result – many thanks for your help!
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 1:39:15 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to be late to this thread.
>>
>> The static site generation templates included in the core don’t need to 
>> know the URL at which the site will be published because it only generates 
>> relative URLs. As things stand, users have to edit the definition 
>> of tv-wikilink-template in those templates to include their full URL.
>>
>> An alternative that might work better in some situations would be pass 
>> the URL as a variable to the --rendertiddler or --render commands, and 
>> update the definition of tv-wikilink-template to include that variable.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 10:58, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>> @Anne-Laure you are welcome and this is helpful to the community too. We 
>> are very good at thinking in terms of manipulating content and presentation 
>> inside a running TW, but need some practice (and documentation) on 
>> extrapolating that to static html rendered from tiddlers.
>>
>> If you are keeping the JS macros in place, the last short version I 
>> posted is worth a try at some point.
>>
>> You are getting a uppercase first letter because the javascript macros 
>> turns the title into lowercase for the url and filenames.
>>
>> To do the same with tv-filter-export-link:
>> [split[ ]join[-]encodeuricomponent[]lowercase[]]
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:50:03 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much, Saq!
>>>
>>> I may look into this later, but when I implemented your approach, it 
>>> generated exactly what I wanted, for instance (that's from the static 
>>> website output):
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?source=https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativitytext=Folders
>>>  
>>> kill creativity:%20
>>> https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativityvia=anthilemoonhashtags=mentalnodes;
>>>  
>>> target="_blank" title="Tweet">>> src="social-icons/Twitter.png">
>>>
>>>
>>> (not sure why the URL says "Folders" and not "folders" but that's minor)
>>>
>>> Very grateful!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:37:13 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 @Anne-Laure we should have asked you for those files from the 
 beginning! That would have made helping you out a lot easier all along :)

 Those instructions for regex use one of the other three variables that 
 I mentioned, tv-get-export-link instead of tv-filter-export-link, which 
 requires javascript.

 You can mix and match both approaches but then it can be a little 
 tricky to ensure that both always return the exact same filenames and 
 corresponding links. This may not be an issue, but there is a chance it 
 might cause problems at some point. Basically its a case of making sure 
 the 
 filter in tv-filter-export-link does the exact same thing as the 
 javascript.

 With the way I outlined, you use the same filters for both and there is 
 no javascript involved, so there are no chances of such issues. Or 
 alternatively one could write another javascript macro that defines the 
 url 
 variable, using the same javascript logic.
 For a non-developer I think the non-javascript based approach will be 
 easiest in the long run.

 Regards,
 Saq

 On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:11:56 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
 wrote:
>
> Hi Saq,
>
> First, thanks so much for your help!
>
> Yes, I have modified *static.tiddler.html* - it looks like this 
> 
>  
> in my setup — and it looks like your approach is working! Thank you! Will 
> keep on tweaking, but if you're curious you can see here 
>  the files where I did 
> the regex edits. (following these instructions 
> 
> )
>
> Many thanks!
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:37:44 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> @Anne-Laure : I suspect we have been overcomplicating a bit because 
>> most of us are not familiar with the static site generation process. If 
>> you 
>> can walk us through a few details of your setup I think we are close a 
>> solution. Short instructions at the end, but please read through 
>> everything.
>>
>> Have you modified this template
>>  static.tiddler.html
>>
>> from the folder 
>> /core/templates?
>>
>> If so, please post your

Re: [tw5] Prevent overwritting images via copy paste import

Jeremy: being able to rename a tiddler before import would be very useful. Even 
when dragging and dropping files, I quite often import and immediately edit the 
tiddler to change the name.

We could also warn the user if the title of a tiddler being imported clashes 
with an existing tiddler.

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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

Hey - Thanks, Jeremy for the good & quick response.  Have installed Tiddly 
Desktop version 0.0.13 (13), seems to be working and auto-saving fine on my 
Mac.

But (never content to leave well enough alone ;-) i now wonder: can i get 
the GitSaver affordance in the desktop app working?  Turned it on, but now 
when i save a tiddler, it pulls a 404 error msg.  Is this supposed to work 
somehow?

Meanwhile: i'll deactivate that option, and pushTo/ pullFrom Github from my 
console as i usually do.  Good enough for now!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:29:09 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ludwa
>
> Your local first principle is roughly the setup I use for my personal 
> wikis. I use TiddlyDesktop on my Mac and Quine on my iPad/iPhoen. Both are 
> a dedicated browsers for TiddlyWiki that save changes automatically to the 
> local file system, which can then be synced as desired (I use both Dropbox 
> and Git).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:59, ludwa6 > wrote:
>
> Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm 
> very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of 
> managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but 
> cannot find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is
>
>1. In keeping with the Local-First principle 
>, the file on my 
>machine should be updated immediately on save of a newly-edited tiddler; 
>and then..
>2. That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version (
>Github.io, in my case) with as little friction as possible.
>
> Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental 
> changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i 
> discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being 
> updated, which violates the Local-First principle 
>  that is one of my 
> non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud 
> storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).
>
> Then -finding no affordances in the default UI for local storage- i 
> explored the plugins, and found this  "Browser Storage: Local storage in 
> the browser" plugin, which i have installed, but this still doesn't solve 
> the problem, AFAICT;  nothing gets saved until i click the download button, 
> which results in a new file with an incremented filename in my local 
> download directory -which i then have to rename, so i can then overwrite 
> the previous version in my local Github directory, so i can then push it 
> live to Github.io.  This is not a sustainable workflow.
>
> So:  i'm thinking: there has *got* to be an easier way... But then, 
> browsing this forum for an answer, the most current & relevant thread on 
> the topic, i.e. "When do my wiki edits get saved to the local file system? 
> " 
> would seem to indicate that this requirement of Local-First storage is not 
> such an easy one to solve.  
>
> Now, as i have reliable internet access at the moment, i can do it the 
> wrong way round -i.e. enable the GitHub Saver for now, and then just pull 
> to my local GitHub directory for backup- but meanwhile, if some more 
> experienced user here can tell me a way to get Local-First storage working 
> in a relatively frictionless way, i'd be much obliged!
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[tw5] Re: Tutorial: How to use TiddlyWiki as a static website generator

Hi Anne-Laure
If you run the code from root folder of wiki, just type as below

tiddlywiki --build static


--Mohammad


On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 7:58:13 PM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> Thank you! I just tried it and get the attached error, am I doing 
> something wrong?
>
> Am I correct to do this in the root folder of the wiki?
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:53:35 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anne-Laure,
>>  
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:23:38 AM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone — here 
>>>  is a short 
>>> tutorial to use TiddlyWiki as a static website generator. Would love any 
>>> feedback or suggestions. Thank you!
>>>
>>
>> I just read the whole tutorial! one comment:
>>
>> In *2. Export your TiddlyWiki as a static website*
>>
>> You have asked to copy paste some commands in terminal and run one by one 
>> or create a setup.sh to make the static website BUT
>>
>> When you create your wiki using 
>>
>> tiddlywiki myfirstwiki --init server
>>
>>
>> Tiddlywiki creates a tiddlywiki.info in *myfirstwik *folder, you can use 
>> it like below
>>
>> tiddlywiki myfirstwiki --build static
>>
>>
>> and it does all the magic and no need for those headaches! specially if 
>> this targets beginners.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] ALERT! In about 1h the meeting starts

In another thread 
, 
fellow Chris Aldrich invites...

For those who may be interested in using TiddlyWiki in public or as a 
> personal website, you might appreciate this upcoming (free) IndieWebCamp 
> session I'll be hosting on April 25th at 10:00 AM Pacific: 
>
> https://boffosocko.com/2020/04/17/gardens-and-streams-wikis-blogs-and-ui-a-pop-up-indiewebcamp-session/


So that's in about 1h.

...now if only this will work on my new laptop... finger crossed.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

2020-04-25 Thread Kyrylo Zapylaiev

David, first of all, thank you for all your hard work. But unfortunately, 
it's not clear how to add the only functionality of showing bi-directional 
links, instead of the whole bunch of custom theming and articles. I mean, 
is it possible to add to my own vanilla TiddlyWiki just the functionality? 
Because, when I imported the plugin (by dragging 'tb' tag) it imported a 
lot and changed my preferences: date format, animations, added some 
tiddlers, etc. Is it possible to have only functionality?

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:38:18 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Raghu, if you go to the online Tiddlyblink, drag the tag 'tb' from the top 
> tiddler into your own file. Then hit the import button, then hit save, and 
> refresh the browser. That should be enough to import everything but the 
> tutorials.
>
>
> Bi-directional links apply to links between tiddlers in the file, not to 
> pages outside the file. But as I mention in the documentation, some things 
> such as open and close brackets and parentheses break the links.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:04 AM Raghu Veer S  > wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I was trying to add TiddlyBlink to my my personal wiki, but the 
>> directions mentioned in here*(https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html 
>> )* says to drag links from 
>> the TiddlyBlink wiki to My wiki. 
>>
>> 1. I tried importing all of them(all the links present in this tiddler:* 
>> $:/.giffmex/meta/How.to.add.TiddlyBlink.to.your.TiddlyWiki*) but I still 
>> couldn't get any of the featues— the autocomplete feature on typing "[[" or 
>> the bidirectional links feature or the custom view feature. (Which files 
>> should I be importing to my wiki to get the features to work?)
>> 2. When you say bidirectional, isn't it like you should be able to have a 
>> link back to the original page from the linked page too. I do not see that 
>> in the TiddlyBlink wiki.(Does it allow navigation back to original file 
>> from the linked file as Roam does)
>>
>> Can anyone help me with it. I am not sure how I should go about adding 
>> the plugin to my personal wiki.
>>
>> —Raghu
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 12:51:47 AM UTC+5:30, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> TiddlyBlink is the new name I am giving to the Roam-y experiment I have 
>>> been working on for the last few days: 
>>>
>>> Same link for now: 
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/roamwiki.experiment.html
>>>
>>> I don't consider it finished yet, but I wanted you to be able to see and 
>>> experiment with it.
>>>
>>> I worked with yesterday's version for the afternoon and found it 
>>> speeding up my note taking by a lot. But this has a number of improvements. 
>>> I hope you all find it helpful.
>>>
>>> As for the name: blink as in *b*idirectional *link*s, and blink because 
>>> it helps you work fast, as in "in the blink of an eye".
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

2020-04-25 Thread 'Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki

The introduction walkthrough looks good, professional. It is important to keep 
that sidebar open and not make it closeable/foldable with the double chevron in 
the top right corner.

If it gets close accidentally a new user might not realise how to get it back. 
Moreover, it would useful to point out early on in the introduction that 
previous slides/tiddlers can be viewed again by clicking on them in the sidebar.


25 Apr 2020, 18:18 by alecu...@gmail.com:

> @Jeremy: this was such an interesting read, thank you!
>
> Just want to jot down some thoughts:
> It's the fist time I see the > introduction walkthrough 
> > , this is going to become my 
> go-to when telling people about TiddlyWiki!
> Tangential - I was about to share the link on Twitter, but checked here first 
> and it looks like there's no link preview. It would be good in a future 
> version to have default link preview parameters so links always look good on 
> social media. Even better if the user can tweak them easily.
> If there are so many limitations in working with the full version of 
> TiddlyWiki, I wonder if Edgaras couldn't design a version that's > 
> purposefully restrictive> . For instance, we're not able to edit on click 
> because we're not sure what complex transclusion may be computed in the 
> background—maybe that super simple Starter Edition of TiddlyWiki would not 
> support such complex transclusions and focus on pure note-taking? May not be 
> possible at all but just throwing it out there.
> Also, side note that I personally never use Storyview, and what Dave Gifford 
> is creating to look at two tiddlers side-by-side feels much more natural to 
> me, but again may be too much of a departure from the way TiddlyWiki works.
> @Edgaras: I don't think the WYSIWYG part is that important to be honest. The 
> kind of users that will be early adopters of this Starter Edition will 
> probably understand markdown fairly quickly, especially if the onboarding is 
> done correctly. (tens of thousands of non-technical people did with Roam)
>
> I think what would be interesting from a design standpoint is figure out 
> everything that should be removed for a Starter Edition, so people can get 
> the best first impression, and then build upon this as they grow along their 
> TiddlyWiki. Very excited to follow the progress on this!
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:06:09 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi Edgaras,
>>
>> Welcome to the club!
>>
>> It's nice to see a designer's point of view! I think your designs should be 
>> like brainstorming about UI and UX improvements. It's cool to explore new 
>> possibilities without thinking about the consequences ;)
>>
>> We developers and power-users should >> not>>  think about, how of if we can 
>> implement "those visions". We shouldn't think about "design" backwards 
>> compatibility. The internals need to be compatible. They are ultra flexible 
>> already ... We will survive it!
>>
>> I think it's about the "First Impression" for new users. Newbies want to 
>> type formatted text. ... Have a TOC ... Create simple ToDo's / shopping / 
>>  lists. ... They seem to like "backlinking" more visible ;) ...
>>
>> I think, if those elements can be made simple and they have the possibility 
>> to "store", "reload" and make their stuff visible for others, they are 
>> "caught" already. 
>>
>> If the second step like dynamic lists need an "extended editor" and 
>> transclusions, macros, widgets need an "advanced" editor this doesn't matter 
>> anymore. We got them already. 
>>
>> -
>>
>> Themes can look like: 
>>
>>  - Hugo static site theme >> Ghostwriter 
>> >>  or
>>  - Wordpress >> Moments  
>> >> or    more TW 
>> like 
>>
>>  - >> Whitespace >>   which IMO 
>> has a very nice sidebar concept. 
>>
>> IMO we can do everything. ... Installing those 3 themes in ONE wiki and make 
>> them switchable will be a challenge. ... But doable, if it needs to be ... 
>>
>> There is one more thing, I wanted to show, but it doesn't work atm ;) ... 
>> Link will follow.
>>
>> have fun!
>> mario
>>
>>
>
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[tw5] Re: Tutorial: How to use TiddlyWiki as a static website generator

Hi Mohammad,

Thank you! I just tried it and get the attached error, am I doing something 
wrong?

Am I correct to do this in the root folder of the wiki?

Thank you!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:53:35 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Anne-Laure,
>  
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:23:38 AM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone — here 
>>  is a short 
>> tutorial to use TiddlyWiki as a static website generator. Would love any 
>> feedback or suggestions. Thank you!
>>
>
> I just read the whole tutorial! one comment:
>
> In *2. Export your TiddlyWiki as a static website*
>
> You have asked to copy paste some commands in terminal and run one by one 
> or create a setup.sh to make the static website BUT
>
> When you create your wiki using 
>
> tiddlywiki myfirstwiki --init server
>
>
> Tiddlywiki creates a tiddlywiki.info in *myfirstwik *folder, you can use 
> it like below
>
> tiddlywiki myfirstwiki --build static
>
>
> and it does all the magic and no need for those headaches! specially if 
> this targets beginners.
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

@Jeremy: this was such an interesting read, thank you!

Just want to jot down some thoughts:

   - It's the fist time I see the introduction walkthrough 
   , this is going to become 
   my go-to when telling people about TiddlyWiki!
   - Tangential - I was about to share the link on Twitter, but checked 
   here first and it looks like there's no link preview. It would be good in a 
   future version to have default link preview parameters so links always look 
   good on social media. Even better if the user can tweak them easily.
   - If there are so many limitations in working with the full version of 
   TiddlyWiki, I wonder if Edgaras couldn't design a version that's 
*purposefully 
   restrictive*. For instance, we're not able to edit on click because 
   we're not sure what complex transclusion may be computed in the 
   background—maybe that super simple Starter Edition of TiddlyWiki would not 
   support such complex transclusions and focus on pure note-taking? May not 
   be possible at all but just throwing it out there.
   - Also, side note that I personally never use Storyview, and what Dave 
   Gifford is creating to look at two tiddlers side-by-side feels much more 
   natural to me, but again may be too much of a departure from the way 
   TiddlyWiki works.

@Edgaras: I don't think the WYSIWYG part is that important to be honest. 
The kind of users that will be early adopters of this Starter Edition will 
probably understand markdown fairly quickly, especially if the onboarding 
is done correctly. (tens of thousands of non-technical people did with Roam)

I think what would be interesting from a design standpoint is figure out 
everything that should be removed for a Starter Edition, so people can get 
the best first impression, and then build upon this as they grow along 
their TiddlyWiki. Very excited to follow the progress on this!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:06:09 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Edgaras,
>
> Welcome to the club!
>
> It's nice to see a designer's point of view! I think your designs should 
> be like brainstorming about UI and UX improvements. It's cool to explore 
> new possibilities without thinking about the consequences ;)
>
> We developers and power-users should *not* think about, how of if we can 
> implement "those visions". We shouldn't think about "design" backwards 
> compatibility. The internals need to be compatible. They are ultra flexible 
> already ... We will survive it!
>
> I think it's about the "First Impression" for new users. Newbies want to 
> type formatted text. ... Have a TOC ... Create simple ToDo's / shopping / 
>  lists. ... They seem to like "backlinking" more visible ;) ...
>
> I think, if those elements can be made simple and they have the 
> possibility to "store", "reload" and make their stuff visible for others, 
> they are "caught" already. 
>
> If the second step like dynamic lists need an "extended editor" and 
> transclusions, macros, widgets need an "advanced" editor this doesn't 
> matter anymore. We got them already. 
>
> -
>
> Themes can look like: 
>
>  - Hugo static site theme Ghostwriter 
>  or
>  - Wordpress Moments 
> ormore TW 
> like 
>  - Whitespace   which IMO has 
> a very nice sidebar concept. 
>
> IMO we can do everything. ... Installing those 3 themes in ONE wiki and 
> make them switchable will be a challenge. ... But doable, if it needs to be 
> ... 
>
> There is one more thing, I wanted to show, but it doesn't work atm ;) ... 
> Link will follow.
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How rename a Tiddler?

PMario wrote:
>
> You shouldn't call action-widgets inside the button body. It should always 
> look like this:  
>

> \define my-actions()
>
>
Hm, the docs say either 
way is fine. Is a separate macro better practice, and why in that case?

Thanx

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:06:09 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:

IMO we can do everything. ... Installing those 3 themes in ONE wiki and 
> make them switchable will be a challenge. ... But doable, if it needs to be 
> ... 
>

edited last post.
-m

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[tw5] Re: Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread Mike Manchester

Check out Nextcloud  you can signup for a free 
account or setup your own Cloud. I found this solution to work for editing 
offline on my computer and then syncing when I was connected to the 
internet. I'm using Tiddlydesktop on my lap top's and Quine on my IOS 
devices I only wish I had a solution for Android.

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:59:35 AM UTC-4, ludwa6 wrote:
>
> Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm 
> very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of 
> managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but 
> cannot find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is
>
>1. In keeping with the Local-First principle 
>
> ,
>  
>the file on my machine should be updated immediately on save of a 
>newly-edited tiddler; and then..
>2. That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version 
>(Github.io, in my case) with as little friction as possible.
>
> Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental 
> changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i 
> discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being 
> updated, which violates the Local-First principle 
>  that is one of my 
> non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud 
> storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

Hi Edgaras,

Welcome to the club!

It's nice to see a designer's point of view! I think your designs should be
like brainstorming about UI and UX improvements. It's cool to explore new
possibilities without thinking about the consequences ;)

We developers and power-users should *not* think about, how of if we can
implement "those visions". We shouldn't think about "design" backwards
compatibility. The internals need to be compatible. They are ultra flexible
already ... We will survive it!

I think it's about the "First Impression" for new users. Newbies want to
type formatted text. ... Have a TOC ... Create simple ToDo's / shopping /
lists. ... They seem to like "backlinking" more visible ;) ...

I think, if those elements can be made simple and they have the possibility
to "store", "reload" and make their stuff visible for others, they are
"caught" already.

If the second step like dynamic lists need an "extended editor" and
transclusions, macros, widgets need an "advanced" editor this doesn't
matter anymore. We got them already.

Themes can look like:

- Hugo static site theme Ghostwriter
or
- Wordpress Moments
ormore TW
like
- Whitespace which IMO has a
very nice sidebar concept.

IMO we can do everything. ... Installing those 3 themes and make them
switchable will be a challenge. ... But doable, if it needs to be ...

There is one more thing, I wanted to show, but it doesn't work atm ;) ...
Link will follow.

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Tutorial: How to use TiddlyWiki as a static website generator

Hi Anne-Laure,
 
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:23:38 AM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:
>
> Hi everyone — here 
>  is a short 
> tutorial to use TiddlyWiki as a static website generator. Would love any 
> feedback or suggestions. Thank you!
>

I just read the whole tutorial! one comment:

In *2. Export your TiddlyWiki as a static website*

You have asked to copy paste some commands in terminal and run one by one 
or create a setup.sh to make the static website BUT

When you create you wiki using 

tiddlywiki myfirstwiki --init server


Tiddlywiki creates a tiddlywiki.info in *myfirstwik *folder, you can use it 
like below

tiddlywiki myfirstwiki --build static


and it does all the magic and no need for those headaches! specially if 
this targets beginners.

Cheers
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] URL of the current tiddler

Thanks so much Saq and Jeremy!

Here  is the final 
result – many thanks for your help!

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 1:39:15 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Sorry to be late to this thread.
>
> The static site generation templates included in the core don’t need to 
> know the URL at which the site will be published because it only generates 
> relative URLs. As things stand, users have to edit the definition 
> of tv-wikilink-template in those templates to include their full URL.
>
> An alternative that might work better in some situations would be pass the 
> URL as a variable to the --rendertiddler or --render commands, and update 
> the definition of tv-wikilink-template to include that variable.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On 25 Apr 2020, at 10:58, Saq Imtiaz > 
> wrote:
>
> @Anne-Laure you are welcome and this is helpful to the community too. We 
> are very good at thinking in terms of manipulating content and presentation 
> inside a running TW, but need some practice (and documentation) on 
> extrapolating that to static html rendered from tiddlers.
>
> If you are keeping the JS macros in place, the last short version I posted 
> is worth a try at some point.
>
> You are getting a uppercase first letter because the javascript macros 
> turns the title into lowercase for the url and filenames.
>
> To do the same with tv-filter-export-link:
> [split[ ]join[-]encodeuricomponent[]lowercase[]]
>
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:50:03 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much, Saq!
>>
>> I may look into this later, but when I implemented your approach, it 
>> generated exactly what I wanted, for instance (that's from the static 
>> website output):
>>
>> https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?source=https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativitytext=Folders
>>  
>> kill creativity:%20
>> https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativityvia=anthilemoonhashtags=mentalnodes;
>>  
>> target="_blank" title="Tweet">> src="social-icons/Twitter.png">
>>
>>
>> (not sure why the URL says "Folders" and not "folders" but that's minor)
>>
>> Very grateful!
>>
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:37:13 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> @Anne-Laure we should have asked you for those files from the beginning! 
>>> That would have made helping you out a lot easier all along :)
>>>
>>> Those instructions for regex use one of the other three variables that I 
>>> mentioned, tv-get-export-link instead of tv-filter-export-link, which 
>>> requires javascript.
>>>
>>> You can mix and match both approaches but then it can be a little tricky 
>>> to ensure that both always return the exact same filenames and 
>>> corresponding links. This may not be an issue, but there is a chance it 
>>> might cause problems at some point. Basically its a case of making sure the 
>>> filter in tv-filter-export-link does the exact same thing as the javascript.
>>>
>>> With the way I outlined, you use the same filters for both and there is 
>>> no javascript involved, so there are no chances of such issues. Or 
>>> alternatively one could write another javascript macro that defines the url 
>>> variable, using the same javascript logic.
>>> For a non-developer I think the non-javascript based approach will be 
>>> easiest in the long run.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:11:56 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
>>> wrote:

 Hi Saq,

 First, thanks so much for your help!

 Yes, I have modified *static.tiddler.html* - it looks like this 
 
  
 in my setup — and it looks like your approach is working! Thank you! Will 
 keep on tweaking, but if you're curious you can see here 
  the files where I did 
 the regex edits. (following these instructions 
 )

 Many thanks!

 On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:37:44 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> @Anne-Laure : I suspect we have been overcomplicating a bit because 
> most of us are not familiar with the static site generation process. If 
> you 
> can walk us through a few details of your setup I think we are close a 
> solution. Short instructions at the end, but please read through 
> everything.
>
> Have you modified this template
>  static.tiddler.html
>
> from the folder 
> /core/templates?
>
> If so, please post your customized template. If not, where exactly are 
> you using regexp to replace the spaces in file names, and the links to 
> them, with hyphens?
>
> TiddlyWiki defines three variables that can be used to tweak the 
> structure of url's in the static files generated:
>
>

Re: [tw5] Live Demo: SVG, embedded buttons controlling animations, audio, other widgets embedded

2020-04-25 Thread Steven Schneider

Joshua, it looks like you're working on something I'm trying to do too:

render any svg tiddler with fill and stroke set by  fields and using a 
macro: 

<$list filter=[title[whatever]]"><>

it's way beyond my abilities, but well within my imagination :)

thanks,


//steve.





On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:17:50 PM UTC-4, Joshua Fontany wrote:
>
> Really neat to see how far you are taking these SVG experiments!
>
> I am currently translating the gameicons.net icon SGVs into tiddlywiki 
> image tiddlers.
>
> Just figured out how to recolor multiple sub-paths with CSS selectors.
>
> I LOVE that you can transclude SVG code and other tiddler content into 
> other SVG objects.
>
> Hope to share some of that soon.
>
> Best,
> Joshua F
>
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:58:04 AM UTC-7, A Gloom wrote:
>>
>> Zoom & pan control buttons for svg demo
>>
>> Single self contained demo tiddler attached.
>>
>> Using buttons setting fields with math filter operators to set the svg 
>> viewBox, which is the dimension, aspect ratio settings for the svg image.
>>
>> Only drawback is current zoom multipliers product is rounded to whole 
>> numbers so the zoom in and out numbers don't stay constant (zoom in from 
>> 240 doesn't zoom back out to 240).
>>
>> The svg has 9 quadrants, only the central one is visible, the others are 
>> revealed by pan controls.
>>
>> This would be good for "dungeon" maps where portions of the map isn't 
>> revealed till movement direction is chosen by the pan controls.  The pan 
>> controls could also be embedded into the map svg at doors to reveal/move 
>> map view to new rooms by button click.  Shall make a demo dungeon map with 
>> nav buttons on doors-- just have to strip down one of my interactive 
>> novel's maps to make it just enough to demostrate the concept.
>>
>> filter for zoom in (multiply[.75]) & out (multiply[1.25]) to manipulat 
>> width & height portion of viewBox
>>
>> {{{ [all[current]get[filter-field4]multiply[1.25]round[]] }}}
>>
>> filter for pan (add[40]) to manipulate Xmin (origin) & Ymin (origin) 
>> portion of viewBox
>>
>> {{{ [all[current]get[filter-field1]add[40]] }}}
>>
>> Screenshots show the controls (upper right) used with a map as well as 
>> checkbox widgets for building the svg with layers.  First using the normal 
>> button widgets, second using buttons with TW icons housed in a svg "frame" 
>> (the compass rose).  The map key (hidden till the map key button is 
>> clicked) is revealed (another seperate svg). The 2nd screenshot has 3 
>> svgs-- the zoom/pan compass rose & buttons, the map key and the main map.
>>
>> [image: zoompanmap.jpg]
>>
>> [image: zoompanmap2.jpg]
>>
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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

2020-04-25 Thread Jed Carty

If you don't mind my asking, what features are missing from the savers 
available? I haven't used anything but bob in a while but my understanding is 
that the browser extensions save to the local file system without any problems.

I am looking at improving the saver bob uses for single file wikis so I am 
looking for feature ideas.

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Re: [tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

Hi Ludwa

Your local first principle is roughly the setup I use for my personal wikis. I 
use TiddlyDesktop on my Mac and Quine on my iPad/iPhoen. Both are a dedicated 
browsers for TiddlyWiki that save changes automatically to the local file 
system, which can then be synced as desired (I use both Dropbox and Git).

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:59, ludwa6  wrote:
> 
> Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm 
> very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of 
> managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but cannot 
> find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is
> In keeping with the Local-First principle 
> , the file on my machine 
> should be updated immediately on save of a newly-edited tiddler; and then..
> That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version (Github.io, 
> in my case) with as little friction as possible.
> Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental 
> changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i 
> discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being updated, 
> which violates the Local-First principle 
>  that is one of my 
> non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud 
> storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).
> 
> Then -finding no affordances in the default UI for local storage- i explored 
> the plugins, and found this  "Browser Storage: Local storage in the browser" 
> plugin, which i have installed, but this still doesn't solve the problem, 
> AFAICT;  nothing gets saved until i click the download button, which results 
> in a new file with an incremented filename in my local download directory 
> -which i then have to rename, so i can then overwrite the previous version in 
> my local Github directory, so i can then push it live to Github.io.  This is 
> not a sustainable workflow.
> 
> So:  i'm thinking: there has *got* to be an easier way... But then, browsing 
> this forum for an answer, the most current & relevant thread on the topic, 
> i.e. "When do my wiki edits get saved to the local file system? 
> " 
> would seem to indicate that this requirement of Local-First storage is not 
> such an easy one to solve.  
> 
> Now, as i have reliable internet access at the moment, i can do it the wrong 
> way round -i.e. enable the GitHub Saver for now, and then just pull to my 
> local GitHub directory for backup- but meanwhile, if some more experienced 
> user here can tell me a way to get Local-First storage working in a 
> relatively frictionless way, i'd be much obliged!
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyServer upgraded to 5.1.22 (and NPM install)



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 1:09:44 AM UTC+4:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I've upgraded TiddlyServer to target 5.1.22. 
>
> @someguynamedmatt helped rearrange the build process, resulting in a clean 
> production build. So, I've now published TiddlyServer to npm and you can 
> install it by running 
>
>  npm install -g tiddlyserver
>
> This will install it globally, which also puts it in your PATH, so you can 
> run it directly using 
>
>  tiddlyserver --config /path/to/settings.json
>
> Windows should also work just fine. You can use the tilde (~) if your 
> shell supports it. I forgot to include tilde support for the config 
> parameter (if the shell passes it through). I'll add that in the future. 
>
> If you don't have npm installed or you want to do a portable install, 
> you'll find the archives listed at 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/v2.2.0-alpha-3. I 
> downloaded the tgz files from npm, and the zip files are the same archive 
> converted to a zip file. 
>

Arlen,
I downloaded the zip file on Windows 10 with node 12 installed! I cannot 
see any tiddlyserver.cmd server.js ...?
 How can I run and use Tiddlyserver using Portable install?

--Mohammad
 

>
> I've separated out the tiddlywiki bundle into a separate npm package. If 
> you're familiar with that it's still the same idea. I will add more info to 
> the readme, but for now it's ready to use. It also includes the client-side 
> .js files for adding in an html page, which probably nobody uses yet. I'm 
> still working on the use cases and so forth for that, so that's just a 
> little teaser. 
>
> https://www.npmjs.com/package/tiddlywiki-production
>
> As always, remember to create backups before upgrading.
>
> Enjoy, 
> Arlen
>

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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Hi Mohammad,

I’ve pushed an update that switches to evaluating the subfilter once for each 
input item, setting the currentTiddler variable for each evaluation. This makes 
the expression [{!!value}divide{!!cost}] work properly. It’s a bit slower, but 
definitely more useful.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/ad575efdcc4d03f9d09bf72defe0e8146164d34f
 


The update will be available on https://tiddlywiki.com/prelease in a few 
minutes (you can check on build progress here: 
https://travis-ci.org/github/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/builds)

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:42, Mohammad  wrote:
> 
> Jeremy,
>  Many thanks for clarification! Got the point!
> 
> Cheers
> Mohammad
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 6:03:50 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Mohammad
> 
> The reason we were getting different results is because I had built the 
> index.html I was using on my Mac, whereas you were using the online version 
> that had been built on servers run by TravisCI. Those two environments end up 
> putting the tiddlers into the HTML file in a different order, which was the 
> ordering we were seeing.
> 
> The problem is my fault: I gave the expression [get{!!value}divide{!!time}] 
> without testing it, and it won’t work in this context because it relies on 
> the current tiddler. The trouble is that this filter is run once to convert 
> every list item into the corresponding sort key. We can only set the current 
> tiddler to a single value for that run of the filter, so it clearly can’t 
> address every tiddler in the input set.
> 
> The solution is to use the get operator to retrieve the field values from 
> each item that is passed into the filter. Hence the examples in the docs such 
> as [get[text]else[]length[]] not being written as [{!!text}length[]].
> 
> The problem here is that we need to retrieve both field values, which can’t 
> currently be done. We can do [get[cost]divide[23]] but nothing that will 
> divide [get[cost]] by [get[value]].
> 
> So, it turns out that at this point the subsort operator doesn’t actually 
> meet the requirement in the OP. I’ll give it some thought.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:13, Mohammad gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Strangely NO! 
>> I see Engineer, Doctor, Designer. I testing online on 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:30:51 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Hi Mohammad,
>> 
>> Thank you, that’s helpful. I’m seeing the result Designer, Doctor, Engineer, 
>> is that not what you are seeing?
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 13:58, Mohammad gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again Jeremy,
>>>  I have attached the sample tiddlers tested on 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ 
>>>  using the new sortsub
>>> 
>>> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Referencing palette colors in svg code

2020-04-25 Thread Steven Schneider

Below is code for an svg. I would like to reference palette colors or any 
other field values or tiddler names, so that I can render the graphic in 
different colors depending on a filter value. Any help would be much 
appreciated.

Thanks, 

//steve.

http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; 
xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; x="0px" y="0px"
viewBox="0 0 1366 768" style="enable-background:new 0 0 1366 768;" 
xml:space="preserve">


.st0{stroke:#04202f;fill:#feb1a4;stroke-width:0.75;stroke-miterlimit:10;}











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[tw5] Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm
very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of
managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but
cannot find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is

1. In keeping with the Local-First principle
, the file on my machine
should be updated immediately on save of a newly-edited tiddler; and then..
2. That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version
(Github.io, in my case) with as little friction as possible.

Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental
changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i
discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being
updated, which violates the Local-First principle
that is one of my
non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud
storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).

Then -finding no affordances in the default UI for local storage- i
explored the plugins, and found this "Browser Storage: Local storage in
the browser" plugin, which i have installed, but this still doesn't solve
the problem, AFAICT; nothing gets saved until i click the download button,
which results in a new file with an incremented filename in my local
download directory -which i then have to rename, so i can then overwrite
the previous version in my local Github directory, so i can then push it
live to Github.io. This is not a sustainable workflow.

So: i'm thinking: there has *got* to be an easier way... But then,
browsing this forum for an answer, the most current & relevant thread on
the topic, i.e. "When do my wiki edits get saved to the local file system?
"
would seem to indicate that this requirement of Local-First storage is not
such an easy one to solve.

Now, as i have reliable internet access at the moment, i can do it the
wrong way round -i.e. enable the GitHub Saver for now, and then just pull
to my local GitHub directory for backup- but meanwhile, if some more
experienced user here can tell me a way to get Local-First storage working
in a relatively frictionless way, i'd be much obliged!

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[tw5] Re: How rename a Tiddler?

Just a reminder. 

You shouldn't call action-widgets inside the button body. It should always 
look like this: 

\define my-actions()
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-home"/>
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-full-screen"/>
\end

<$button actions=<>>
Click me!


It saves you a lot of problems in the long run. Trust me. 


On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:42:29 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi N P 
>
> I did test the tm-rename-tiddler. ... It doesn't modify the "created" 
> field. So it seems you did other commands, that created a new tiddler. 
>
> -m
>
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[tw5] Re: How rename a Tiddler?

Hi N P 

I did test the tm-rename-tiddler. ... It doesn't modify the "created" 
field. So it seems you did other commands, that created a new tiddler. 

-m

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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Jeremy,
 Many thanks for clarification! Got the point!

Cheers
Mohammad

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 6:03:50 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad
>
> The reason we were getting different results is because I had built the 
> index.html I was using on my Mac, whereas you were using the online version 
> that had been built on servers run by TravisCI. Those two environments end 
> up putting the tiddlers into the HTML file in a different order, which was 
> the ordering we were seeing.
>
> The problem is my fault: I gave the expression 
> [get{!!value}divide{!!time}] without testing it, and it won’t work in this 
> context because it relies on the current tiddler. The trouble is that this 
> filter is run once to convert every list item into the corresponding sort 
> key. We can only set the current tiddler to a single value for that run of 
> the filter, so it clearly can’t address every tiddler in the input set.
>
> The solution is to use the get operator to retrieve the field values from 
> each item that is passed into the filter. Hence the examples in the docs 
> such as [get[text]else[]length[]] not being written as [{!!text}length[]].
>
> The problem here is that we need to retrieve both field values, which 
> can’t currently be done. We can do [get[cost]divide[23]] but nothing that 
> will divide [get[cost]] by [get[value]].
>
> So, it turns out that at this point the subsort operator doesn’t actually 
> meet the requirement in the OP. I’ll give it some thought.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:13, Mohammad > 
> wrote:
>
> Strangely NO! 
> I see Engineer, Doctor, Designer. I testing online on 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:30:51 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> Thank you, that’s helpful. I’m seeing the result Designer, Doctor, 
>> Engineer, is that not what you are seeing?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 13:58, Mohammad  wrote:
>>
>> Hi again Jeremy,
>>  I have attached the sample tiddlers tested on 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>  using the new *sortsub*
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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>> 
>> .
>> 
>>
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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Hi Mohammad

The reason we were getting different results is because I had built the 
index.html I was using on my Mac, whereas you were using the online version 
that had been built on servers run by TravisCI. Those two environments end up 
putting the tiddlers into the HTML file in a different order, which was the 
ordering we were seeing.

The problem is my fault: I gave the expression [get{!!value}divide{!!time}] 
without testing it, and it won’t work in this context because it relies on the 
current tiddler. The trouble is that this filter is run once to convert every 
list item into the corresponding sort key. We can only set the current tiddler 
to a single value for that run of the filter, so it clearly can’t address every 
tiddler in the input set.

The solution is to use the get operator to retrieve the field values from each 
item that is passed into the filter. Hence the examples in the docs such as 
[get[text]else[]length[]] not being written as [{!!text}length[]].

The problem here is that we need to retrieve both field values, which can’t 
currently be done. We can do [get[cost]divide[23]] but nothing that will divide 
[get[cost]] by [get[value]].

So, it turns out that at this point the subsort operator doesn’t actually meet 
the requirement in the OP. I’ll give it some thought.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:13, Mohammad  wrote:
> 
> Strangely NO! 
> I see Engineer, Doctor, Designer. I testing online on 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:30:51 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Mohammad,
> 
> Thank you, that’s helpful. I’m seeing the result Designer, Doctor, Engineer, 
> is that not what you are seeing?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 13:58, Mohammad gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again Jeremy,
>>  I have attached the sample tiddlers tested on 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ 
>>  using the new sortsub
>> 
>> --Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Prevent overwritting images via copy paste import

I remember being pretty surprised by this. The title “grafik.png” (or 
“image.png” in English) is generated by the browser when an image is pasted, 
and is part of the file information passed to TW’s javascript. We use the 
filename of incoming files as the title because that makes sense for most files.

We could fix it in a couple of ways:

* Allow the user to edit the title (and perhaps other fields) of tiddlers 
before they are imported
* Add a checkbox to automatically generate unique titles by adding a number if 
required

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 23 Apr 2020, at 10:10, Rohrreiniger  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I often copy and paste screenshots from email to documentation in my TW. They 
> are always imported with the same name "grafik.png" (German version). Any 
> best practice how to get them with a new name so the old existing one isn't 
> overwritten? 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help/hint.
> 
> keywords
> images <> × <>
> graphics <> × <>
> bilder <> × <>
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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Strangely NO! 
I see Engineer, Doctor, Designer. I testing online on 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/


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On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:30:51 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> Thank you, that’s helpful. I’m seeing the result Designer, Doctor, 
> Engineer, is that not what you are seeing?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On 25 Apr 2020, at 13:58, Mohammad > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi again Jeremy,
>  I have attached the sample tiddlers tested on 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>  using the new *sortsub*
>
> --Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: How rename a Tiddler?

Good luck N P, I see your code works now!

Cheers
Mohammad

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:07:43 PM UTC+4:30, N P wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> While normally I would agree.  However, my task titles are simply the 
> -MM-DD of the day I created them.  This is because I leverage the 
> caption field to allow quick changes to the task name.
> [image: tasks.JPG]
>
>
>
> Once I archive my task, the assumption is no more edits will occur and I 
> can file it.  So I change the name to a concatenation of `$completed$ 
> $caption$`.  Now when I use TiddlyWiki's built in search textbox, the tasks 
> show up with information and not just `-MM-DD`
>
> Thank you for the link, I had no idea when I was changing the title, 
> another tiddler was being created.  Here is what I have that will work.  I 
> might try to include a prompt for myself to confirm the rename. This way I 
> can see the empty tiddler before I copy into it and delete the original.
>
> * $:/user/button/ArchiveTask*
> \define archiveHere()
> $(currentTiddler)$
> \end
>
> \define archiveHereButton(completed caption)
> <$button tooltip={{$:/user/button/ArchiveTask/Hint}} 
> class=<> param=<> >
> 
> <$action-listops $tiddler=<> $tags="+[append[task-archive]]" 
> />
> 
> <$action-navigate $to="$completed$ $caption$" />
> 
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> title="$completed$ $caption$" />
> 
> <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />
>
> {{$:/core/images/chevron-down}}
> \end
>
> 
> <$macrocall $name="archiveHereButton" completed={{!!completed}} 
> caption={{!!caption}}/>
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 1:32:42 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Think Tiddlywiki way! Why to change the title? You can
>> tag tiddler done, you can have a completion field and add your data there!
>> renaming a tiddler is not a good choice.
>>
>> By the way, Eric Shulman has given the complete solution for renaming 
>> tiddlers here:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/oMBoAkJIZhQ/mTlPv3FbEQAJ
>>
>> You can also use TW-Scripts
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:59:13 AM UTC+4:30, N P wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've been searching for a few days and came up short.  How do you rename 
>>> a tiddler?  The documentation shows WidgetMessage tm-rename-tiddler 
>>> , however 
>>> that is destructive and leaves you with a fresh tiddler with a new name.
>>>
>>> I've tried some variations of the below and came up short in my macro 
>>> testing
>>>
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="New Tiddler 2" $field="title" $value="New 
>>> Name" />
>>>
>>> My use case is, I have created a personal task management workflow. When 
>>> I archive my tasks, I want to change the the Title of the Tiddler to a 
>>> combination of Completed date field and Caption field.
>>>
>>> Here is my archive button for reference
>>>
>>> \define archiveHere()
>>> $(currentTiddler)$
>>> \end
>>>
>>>
>>> \define archiveHereButton(completed caption)
>>> <$button tooltip={{$:/user/button/ArchiveTask/Hint}} class=<>> toolbar-class>> param=<> >
>>> <$action-listops $tiddler=<> $tags=
>>> "+[append[task-archive]]" />
>>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> title="$completed$ $caption$" 
>>> />
>>> {{$:/core/images/chevron-down}}
>>> \end
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> <$macrocall $name="archiveHereButton" completed={{!!completed}} caption
>>> ={{!!caption}}/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mick
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Hi Mohammad,

Thank you, that’s helpful. I’m seeing the result Designer, Doctor, Engineer, is 
that not what you are seeing?

Best wishes

Jeremy



> On 25 Apr 2020, at 13:58, Mohammad  wrote:
> 
> Hi again Jeremy,
>  I have attached the sample tiddlers tested on 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ 
>  using the new sortsub
> 
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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Hi again Jeremy,
 I have attached the sample tiddlers tested on 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
 using the new *sortsub*

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Re: [tw5] 5.1.22 Upgrade Problem - TypeError: $tw.wiki.doesPluginRequireReload is not a function

Hi Tony

It looks like you’ve still got a bunch of overridden configuration shadow 
tiddlers. Some of them may be intentional tweaks, but there are so many it 
looks like you’ve still got the same problem.

I’d suggest unchecking all tiddlers, and then just manually select the tiddlers 
that you know contain content that you wish to retain.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 25 Apr 2020, at 08:19, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> Jeremy,
> 
> I am still stuck on this.
> 
> I used the following filter to delete overwritten system tiddlers that should 
> not have being
> [all[shadows+tiddlers]prefix[$:/]!has[modified]]
> The resulting wiki dropped from  6,956 KB to 4,550 KB and seems to be working 
> as expected.
> 
> I kept a json of deleted tiddlers.
> 
> When Upgrading, as before, the attached PDF shows the resulting tiddler list 
> which seems to ignore all the real tiddlers that should be included in the 
> upgrade process.
> 
> I freshly loaded https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html 
>  and both dropped and on another attempt 
> selected the reduced file.
> 
> I then used the  Save upgraded TiddlyWiki file  button and the resulting file 
> was dropped to 2,262 and seems to be no more than an empty.html.
> 
> I am not sure how to proceed and where the problem lays.
> 
> 
> thanks in Advance
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:01:27 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
> On Overwritten Shadows
> 
> I see with the preview option "differences from shadow (if any)" counts the 
> number of differences.
> 
> Thus if I could delete the tiddlers with 0 differences I would get along way. 
> Although perhaps I will hit the odd one that was tagged or something.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 2:47:36 PM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
> Jeremy,
> 
> In the source before upgrade I see the following;
> 
> Number of tiddlers:   375,
> Number of tags:   77,
> Number of system tiddlers:2992,
> Number of shadow tiddlers:2227,
> Number of overridden shadow tiddlers: 2227,
> 
> Clearly there is no shadow tiddler not overridden in the source, so I expect 
> the upgrade is overwhelmed.
> 
> Perhaps this happened in an earlier upgrade and was not noticed by me?
> 
> A Possible solution;
> If I could build a tool to delete all shadow tiddlers that are identical to 
> core Shadow tiddlers before upgrading I may have the solution?
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 1:05:44 AM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Tony
> 
> According to that listing, every core shadow JS module has been exploded into 
> an ordinary tiddler, overwriting the shadow. Perhaps this was a wiki that 
> you’d used for experimentation with plugin packing/unpacking. What number do 
> you see for “Number of overridden shadow tiddlers” at the bottom of the first 
> page of the control panel?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
>> On 23 Apr 2020, at 11:45, TonyM > wrote:
>> 
>> Jeremy,
>> 
>> I undertook the upgrade again. I get an alert
>> import - 23rd April 2020 at 8:17pm
>> You are about to import a tiddler that will overwrite a core module tiddler. 
>> This is not recommended as it may make the system unstable
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have printed the upgrade page to PDF in case it sheds light on this.
>> 
>> However its 24MB in size and could not send, 
>> 
>> see here https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_H8j-KlIQYUHxXiwH8vrkY3mjaUQhTas 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 6:40:00 PM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Hi Tony
>> 
>> It sounds like the shadow tiddler $:/core/modules/wiki.js has been 
>> overwritten. Can you search for the string “doesPluginRequireReload” and 
>> report in which system tiddlers it occurs?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>>> On 23 Apr 2020, at 06:20, TonyM > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded a large production wiki as a test from 5.1.21  to 5.1.22 I 
>>> get this Javascript error
>>> 
>>> Internal JavaScript Error
>>> Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki 
>>> by refreshing your browser
>>> TypeError: $tw.wiki.doesPluginRequireReload is not a function
>>> 
>>> $tw.wiki.doesPluginRequireReload is only found in 
>>> $:/core/modules/startup/plugins.js
>>> 
>>> and relates to the reload plugin test.
>>> 
>>> I cant reload without this message occuring, not can I close it. I had a 
>>> core tiddler override during upgrade but not sure what may have caused this.
>>> 
>>> Any insight would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Yes Jeremy,
I did this in Prerelease with some tiddlers having job as a tag and time 
and value fields. I will send an attachment within a minute.

--Mohammad

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:16:36 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad
>
> Seems it is sortsub
>
>
> It turns out there is already a “sortby” operator.
>
> Using tiddlywiki.com I made a test as below 
>
> \define cost() [{!!value}divide{!!time}]
> <$list filter="[tag[job]sortsub:number]">
>
> 
>
> but it does not work! Please advise!
>
>
> Did you try it on the prerelease? It looks like you’d need some tiddlers 
> tagged “job” with the right fields for it to work.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Hi Mohammad

> Seems it is sortsub

It turns out there is already a “sortby” operator.

> Using tiddlywiki.com I made a test as below 
> 
> \define cost() [{!!value}divide{!!time}]
> <$list filter="[tag[job]sortsub:number]">
> 
> 
> 
> but it does not work! Please advise!

Did you try it on the prerelease? It looks like you’d need some tiddlers tagged 
“job” with the right fields for it to work.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Great feature!
Thank you Jeremy

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:02:57 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve now implemented a new “subsort” filter that takes a subfilter and 
> sorts the incoming titles by the result of running that filter on each one 
> in turn:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/619c0752bd3c6e71d1fcdb74daa03cfe8257afe4
>
> The OP should be achievable using a subfilter such as:
>
> [{!!value}divide{!!time}]
>
> With that filter in a variable called “cost” it could be used like this:
>
> [tag[tas]subsort:number]
>

Seems it is sortsub

Using tiddlywiki.com I made a test as below 

\define cost() [{!!value}divide{!!time}]
<$list filter="[tag[job]sortsub:number]">



but it does not work! Please advise!


> The new operator will be available on https://tiddlywiki.com/prelease in 
> a few minutes (you can check on build progress here: 
> https://travis-ci.org/github/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/builds)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 23 Apr 2020, at 16:46, si > wrote:
>
>
> Thank you so much Eric you have saved me yet again! I really appreciate 
> you taking the time to help me out.
>
> On Wednesday, 22 April 2020 23:22:31 UTC+1, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 11:30:41 AM UTC-7, si wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> I'm trying to implement a particular type of task list using plain 
>>> wikitext. I stole the idea from supermemo 
>>> .
>>> Each of my tasks is tagged *task*, and has the fields *time *and *value*. 
>>> These fields represent the estimated time a task will take and the 
>>> perceived value of a task respectively.
>>> I'm trying to generate a task list that is sorted by the result of *value 
>>> divided by time* for each task.
>>> I thought this would be able to do this easily, then tried it and 
>>> realised I couldn't. Can anyone help me out here?
>>>
>>
>> I did something similar to create a "tag cloud", where the tags are 
>> sorted by the number of tiddlers they are tagging.
>> See 
>> http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html#TiddlyTools%2FFilterGenerators%2FTagCloud
>>
>> For your purposes, the code is actually quite a bit simpler than the 
>> TagCloud.  This should do the job:
>> \define getitems()
>> <$list filter="[tag[task]]">
>><$vars time={{!!time}} value={{!!value}}>
>><$text text="[["/>{{{ [dividedivide[1]] }}};<<
>> currentTiddler>><$text text="]]"/>
>>
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <$wikify name="items"  text=<>  >
>><$list filter="[enlistnsort[]]">
>>   {{{ [split[;]last[]] }}}
>>
>> 
>>
>> The <> macro:
>> * gets all tiddlers tagged with "task"
>> * calculates the "value/time" number for each and divides it by 1 to 
>> ensure that all numbers are zero-padded for proper sorting (so a value, 
>> e.g., "15" is not sorted between "1" and "2")
>> * prepends that calculated value in front of each task title, separated 
>> by a semi-colon (;) and surrounded by double square brackets to handle 
>> titles with spaces
>>
>> The calling code:
>> * Uses $wikify to capture the output of <> into a variable, 
>> "items"
>> * The $list widget then enlists the items and sorts them numerically
>> * The output then strips off the calculated number and the semi-colon 
>> separator and displays the tiddler titles in the sorted order
>>
>> Let me know how it goes...
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] URL of the current tiddler

Sorry to be late to this thread.

The static site generation templates included in the core don’t need to know 
the URL at which the site will be published because it only generates relative 
URLs. As things stand, users have to edit the definition of 
tv-wikilink-template in those templates to include their full URL.

An alternative that might work better in some situations would be pass the URL 
as a variable to the --rendertiddler or --render commands, and update the 
definition of tv-wikilink-template to include that variable.

Best wishes

Jeremy



> On 25 Apr 2020, at 10:58, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> @Anne-Laure you are welcome and this is helpful to the community too. We are 
> very good at thinking in terms of manipulating content and presentation 
> inside a running TW, but need some practice (and documentation) on 
> extrapolating that to static html rendered from tiddlers.
> 
> If you are keeping the JS macros in place, the last short version I posted is 
> worth a try at some point.
> 
> You are getting a uppercase first letter because the javascript macros turns 
> the title into lowercase for the url and filenames.
> 
> To do the same with tv-filter-export-link:
> [split[ ]join[-]encodeuricomponent[]lowercase[]]
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:50:03 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
> Thanks so much, Saq!
> 
> I may look into this later, but when I implemented your approach, it 
> generated exactly what I wanted, for instance (that's from the static website 
> output):
> 
>  href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?source=https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativitytext=Folders
>  
> 
>  kill 
> creativity:%20https://www.mentalnodes.com/Folders-kill-creativityvia=anthilemoonhashtags=mentalnodes
>  
> "
>  target="_blank" title="Tweet"> src="social-icons/Twitter.png">
> 
> (not sure why the URL says "Folders" and not "folders" but that's minor)
> 
> Very grateful!
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:37:13 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> @Anne-Laure we should have asked you for those files from the beginning! That 
> would have made helping you out a lot easier all along :)
> 
> Those instructions for regex use one of the other three variables that I 
> mentioned, tv-get-export-link instead of tv-filter-export-link, which 
> requires javascript.
> 
> You can mix and match both approaches but then it can be a little tricky to 
> ensure that both always return the exact same filenames and corresponding 
> links. This may not be an issue, but there is a chance it might cause 
> problems at some point. Basically its a case of making sure the filter in 
> tv-filter-export-link does the exact same thing as the javascript.
> 
> With the way I outlined, you use the same filters for both and there is no 
> javascript involved, so there are no chances of such issues. Or alternatively 
> one could write another javascript macro that defines the url variable, using 
> the same javascript logic.
> For a non-developer I think the non-javascript based approach will be easiest 
> in the long run.
> 
> Regards,
> Saq
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:11:56 AM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
> Hi Saq,
> 
> First, thanks so much for your help!
> 
> Yes, I have modified static.tiddler.html - it looks like this 
> 
>  in my setup — and it looks like your approach is working! Thank you! Will 
> keep on tweaking, but if you're curious you can see here 
>  the files where I did the 
> regex edits. (following these instructions 
> )
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:37:44 AM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
> @Anne-Laure : I suspect we have been overcomplicating a bit because most of 
> us are not familiar with the static site generation process. If you can walk 
> us through a few details of your setup I think we are close a solution. Short 
> instructions at the end, but please read through everything.
> 
> Have you modified this template
>  static.tiddler.html
> 
> from the folder
> /core/templates?
> 
> If so, please post your customized template. If not, where exactly are you 
> using regexp to replace the spaces in file names, and the links to them, with 
> hyphens?
> 
> TiddlyWiki defines three variables that can be used to tweak the structure of 
> url's in the static files generated:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#tv-wikilink-template%20Variable:%5B%5Btv-wikilink-template%20Variable%5D%5D%20%5B%5Btv-filter-export-link%20Variable%5D%5D%20%5B%5Btv-get-export-link%20Variable%5D%5D
>  
>

[tw5] Re: How rename a Tiddler?

2020-04-25 Thread N P

Hi Mohammad,

While normally I would agree.  However, my task titles are simply the 
-MM-DD of the day I created them.  This is because I leverage the 
caption field to allow quick changes to the task name.
[image: tasks.JPG] 



Once I archive my task, the assumption is no more edits will occur and I 
can file it.  So I change the name to a concatenation of `$completed$ 
$caption$`.  Now when I use TiddlyWiki's built in search textbox, the tasks 
show up with information and not just `-MM-DD`

Thank you for the link, I had no idea when I was changing the title, 
another tiddler was being created.  Here is what I have that will work.  I 
might try to include a prompt for myself to confirm the rename. This way I 
can see the empty tiddler before I copy into it and delete the original.

* $:/user/button/ArchiveTask*
\define archiveHere()
$(currentTiddler)$
\end

\define archiveHereButton(completed caption)
<$button tooltip={{$:/user/button/ArchiveTask/Hint}} 
class=<> param=<> >

<$action-listops $tiddler=<> $tags="+[append[task-archive]]" />

<$action-navigate $to="$completed$ $caption$" />

<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> title="$completed$ $caption$" />

<$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />

{{$:/core/images/chevron-down}}
\end


<$macrocall $name="archiveHereButton" completed={{!!completed}} 
caption={{!!caption}}/>



On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 1:32:42 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Think Tiddlywiki way! Why to change the title? You can
> tag tiddler done, you can have a completion field and add your data there!
> renaming a tiddler is not a good choice.
>
> By the way, Eric Shulman has given the complete solution for renaming 
> tiddlers here:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/oMBoAkJIZhQ/mTlPv3FbEQAJ
>
> You can also use TW-Scripts
>
> --Mohammad
>
>
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 8:59:13 AM UTC+4:30, N P wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've been searching for a few days and came up short.  How do you rename 
>> a tiddler?  The documentation shows WidgetMessage tm-rename-tiddler 
>> , however 
>> that is destructive and leaves you with a fresh tiddler with a new name.
>>
>> I've tried some variations of the below and came up short in my macro 
>> testing
>>
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler="New Tiddler 2" $field="title" $value="New 
>> Name" />
>>
>> My use case is, I have created a personal task management workflow. When 
>> I archive my tasks, I want to change the the Title of the Tiddler to a 
>> combination of Completed date field and Caption field.
>>
>> Here is my archive button for reference
>>
>> \define archiveHere()
>> $(currentTiddler)$
>> \end
>>
>>
>> \define archiveHereButton(completed caption)
>> <$button tooltip={{$:/user/button/ArchiveTask/Hint}} class=<> toolbar-class>> param=<> >
>> <$action-listops $tiddler=<> $tags="+[append[task-archive]]" 
>> />
>> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> title="$completed$ $caption$" 
>> />
>> {{$:/core/images/chevron-down}}
>> \end
>>
>>
>> 
>> <$macrocall $name="archiveHereButton" completed={{!!completed}} caption
>> ={{!!caption}}/>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Mick
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Is this a bug? Add tag to a tiddler

Jed, Thank you for clarification!


On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 2:49:22 PM UTC+4:30, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> The tags field is always sorted by the core, sometimes this only happens 
> when the wiki is reloaded, but the core will always sort the tags field 
> into alphabetical order when the wiki starts, the order of the tags field 
> at other times isn't reliable and won't be saved.
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

Edgaras - this is amazing! I wish I was a developer or better versed in the 
inner workings of TW so I could help you, but I'll definitely give feedback 
on the design as you go. This is an exciting project.

I think ideally the end result should be easily installed in one click (the 
same way you download an empty TW), so I guess in TW's terminology that 
would make it an edition ?

@David Gifford: we discussed this, you're a TW developer! :)

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 12:46:30 PM UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Thanks Edgaras. I created an account to view your design brief.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:09:16 PM UTC+4:30, Edgaras wrote:
>>
>> *Mohammad*, thank you!
>>
>> Unfortunately, yes sign up is required, but it's free.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

2020-04-25 Thread Edgaras


>
> I actually did this part a number of years ago.

 
*David* please share if you still have it anywhere!

Maybe a sticky toolbar  
> for the 
> various parts of the edittemplate


Probably user should have a choice to toggle the toolbar. The level of 
editor complexity can be un revealed in these steps:
Plain editing, coding → Select word/sentence/paragraph to call a small 
toolkit pop-up → Toggle the toolbar → Reveal more advanced toolbar. So it 
always starts minimal, unless you choose not to.

–

*Mohammad *yes, I am aware of that, but I am just scratching the surface of 
understanding how modules work and what they are capable of doing. To start 
with, it would be good to have a small priority list of crucial modules, 
and then introduce more along the way. That way we can make sure to control 
the consistency in interactions and styling.

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[tw5] Re: UI idea for snippet library

See as another example wiki-wiki-todo 

https://tw-scripts.github.io/Yazd/#macro%2Fwiki-wiki-todo

Copy the simple macro to have a ToDo- list on the fly :-)

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[tw5] Re: UI idea for snippet library

Hi Mat,
 Thank you for this great idea.

I am sure you have seen Yazd: 

Code: https://tw-scripts.github.io/Yazd/
Demo: https://tw-scripts.github.io/Yazd/

It uses a template for documenting simple macros for example look 
at https://tw-scripts.github.io/Yazd/#Macro%20Summary
If you click a link for example macro/cycle you 
see https://tw-scripts.github.io/Yazd/#macro%2Fcycle
You can see code, examples and small description, one can copy and use the 
snippets in his/her own wiki!
Yazd try to gives snippet as macros

You method I think automate this and facilitate user simply find and take 
the code to their own wiki!

I support your idea.

Cheers
Mohammad



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:43:03 PM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> Just throwing out an idea for anyone who wants to service the community by 
> providing curated wiki code (think Mohammads and Davids great services)
>
> First, envision the looks of the (existing) plugin library. It shows a 
> vertical row of plugins where each item consists of an icon and, next to 
> it, some meta data. 
>
> With that layout in mind, instead imagine a site that serves code snips. 
> Instead of icons, it has *buttons*. Clicking a button executes "copy to 
> memory". Further, instead of (or in addition to) meta data, there could be 
> *fields 
> *where the user can preset parameter values that are to be inserted in 
> the snip before he clicks the copy-to-memory button. Sometimes even 
> selectwidgets instead of fields.
>
> I think it would be possible to use a template for creating this, i.e the 
> snips are separate tiddlers and these are then run in a listwidget and 
> displayed via the button+userfields template.
>
> Yeah... that was it. Not expecting anyone to do this, just thought it was 
> a neat idea ;-)
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback needed for experimental update to TiddlyBlink

Thanks Ilya, I will look at the Stylesheet further on Sun afternoon or
Monday. Trying to get away from the compooter today.


On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ilya  wrote:

> Hi David, yes I changed to a shorter name :))
>
> The new style sheet looks good! I have included screenshots of Stroll vs
> TiddlyWiki for Spartan Night palette. Few things I immediately notice:
>
> - In Stroll, links to missing tiddlers are not italicized, links to
> external sites are not underscored.
>
> - Stroll handles transclusion differently, the color of transcluded box
> seems to be inverted, is this intended? in TiddlyWiki transclusion looks
> seamlessly merged into background tiddler. (tbh I think TiddlyWiki makes it
> look better for this palette)
>
> - The color of monospaced code also seems to be inverted.
>
> - After deleting the TiddlyBlink style sheet, the transcluded reference
> looks like a single link (this is expected)
>
> That's all for now.
>
>
> On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 4:12:49 AM UTC+7, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ilya (did you just change your name?) :-)
>>
>> I updated the Stylesheet at
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/tiddlyblink.experiment.html
>>
>> I tried it with four different dark palettes, and looks good.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:30:32 PM UTC-5, Ilya wrote:
>>>
>>> >Comments:
>>>
>>> Bidirectional linking is definitely the best thing that could happen to
>>> TiddlyWiki for me, thanks a lot for making this!
>>>
>>> I think both this project and TiddlyMap make it much easier for users to
>>> break long and complex sequence of ideas into smaller chunks of expositions
>>> to be combined and reused in different sequences of ideas, this is the
>>> philosophy of TiddlyWiki and also what makes it so powerful.
>>>
>>> I have never used Roam research's product but I think the idea of
>>> networked thoughts is you don't learn concepts one by one in a linear chain
>>> but you learn by association of multiple concepts in a growing network. I
>>> believe both TiddlyMap and TiddlyBlink are needed to do that, TiddlyBlink
>>> for the automatic linking and TiddlyMap to generate the network and
>>> patterns at different level of abstractions. The maps from TiddlyMap have
>>> different "neighborhood scope", which is very useful to trace and connect
>>> ideas not immediately linked, so for example if you have like 10 reference
>>> links, consider nesting the links inside each other and look at the map
>>> instead, this way TiddlyMap and TiddlyBlink complement each other and make
>>> each Tiddler simpler, in accordance with the philosophy above.
>>>
>>> I stopped using TiddlyMap precisely because it doesn't support automatic
>>> generation of small local connections (maps) of related ideas. Doing so
>>> manually was too cumbersome, but with this project I am thinking of picking
>>> it up again!
>>>
>>> >Frustrations:
>>>
>>> Your stylesheet
>>>
>>> $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet4tiddlyblink
>>>
>>> breaks dark themes, all texts remain black in dark themes, thus unusable.
>>>
>>> Also, there are some glitches when used together with TiddlyMap
>>>
>>> >Confusions:
>>>
>>> Nothing for now!
>>>
>>> >Question:
>>>
>>> How do I fix the issue of two unwanted references
>>>
>>> $:/temp/focussedTiddler
>>> $:/temp/tmap/currentTiddler
>>>
>>> keep showing up whenever I enter certain Tiddlers? see attached image.
>>> This happens after I import TiddlyMap into TiddlyBlink
>>>
>>> I really hope you make it possible to integrate TiddlyMap with this
>>> project!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 9:30:36 PM UTC+7, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all

 Looking at updating TiddlyBlink with the features explained in this
 link: two columns of tiddlers, folding tiddlers, moving tiddlers between
 columns. A HUGE thank you to Saq Imtiaz and TonyM for their help with this.

 https://giffmex.org/experiments/tiddlyblink.experiment.html

 Known things to fix:

 1) Wide gap between columns when the sidebar is open *(we will
 probably leave this alone for now, very minor issue)*
 2) Sidebar should probably close by default when shift clicking to
 start a new column *(fixed: problem was a width setting)*
 3) Close others in viewtoolbar is not working properly* (I just need
 to explain in instructions that it only works within the same story, not
 across stories)*
 4) Completely redo the instructions. *(I plan to do video
 instructions)*

 Comments? Frustrations? Confusion? Questions?

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

Thanks Edgaras. I created an account to view your design brief.



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:09:16 PM UTC+4:30, Edgaras wrote:
>
> *Mohammad*, thank you!
>
> Unfortunately, yes sign up is required, but it's free.
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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:01:23 PM UTC+4:30, Edgaras wrote:
>
> Moving forward I see *two main issues *that prevents simplicity:
>
>
>1. The navigation when clicking links. Do you find it useful that 
>tiddles are opening as a vertical stack? I find it kind of confusing, and 
>not really helpful when you have increasingly large stack. I would like to 
>explore alternative interactions:
>- Swapping the tiddle with a new one, but keeping the breadcrumbs on 
>   top (if possible?) and giving < and > navigation, back and forward in 
> time 
>   where you've been.
>   - Stacking tiddle when opening into tabs, so you can switch then by 
>   clicking or keyboard shortcut.
>2. Editing mode. How can we make the editing more fluent with viewing. 
>It distances you from just writing if you have to click edit and save 
>everytime. You should be able to navigate text with keyboard or just click 
>anywhere in text right away and start editing. Saving should happen 
>automatically (to local storage). All the text-type formatting could be 
>hidden, unless it's relevant for the selected word or sentence. This will 
>reduce visual clutter. Check the simplicity of text editing in *Typora* 
>! → *Quick demo* 
>
> Edgaras,

Some thoughts:

Regarding the Typoral, I am sure you know Tiddlywiki Tiddler 
(https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Philosophy%20of%20Tiddlers) not only 
can be used to keep a piece of information (simple text +links or Markdown 
or wikitext), but a Tiddler also can act as small module keeping Tiddlywiki 
scripts (wikitext code, macros, call to widgets, complex transclusion, ...).
Many tiddlers may have both (simple wikitext, script wikitext) as an 
example see: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#Shiraz%20Plugin
So these are should be considered in your design!
--Mohammad
 


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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 5:31:23 AM UTC-5, Edgaras wrote:
>
> Moving forward I see *two main issues *that prevents simplicity:
>
>
>1. The navigation when clicking links. Do you find it useful that 
>tiddles are opening as a vertical stack? I find it kind of confusing, and 
>not really helpful when you have increasingly large stack. I would like to 
>explore alternative interactions:
>- Swapping the tiddle with a new one, but keeping the breadcrumbs on 
>   top (if possible?) 
>
> *I actually did this part a number of years ago. Or maybe it was for TW 
classic. Yes, yes, it was for classic. But I am not a coder or programmer, 
just a guy.*
 

>
>- and giving < and > navigation, back and forward in time where you've 
>   been.
>   - Stacking tiddle when opening into tabs, so you can switch then by 
>   clicking or keyboard shortcut. 
>
>
>1. Editing mode. How can we make the editing more fluent with viewing. 
>It distances you from just writing if you have to click edit and save 
>everytime. You should be able to navigate text with keyboard or just click 
>anywhere in text right away and start editing. Saving should happen 
>automatically (to local storage). All the text-type formatting could be 
>hidden, unless it's relevant for the selected word or sentence. This will 
>reduce visual clutter. Check the simplicity of text editing in *Typora* 
>! → *Quick demo* 
>
> *Maybe a sticky toolbar 
> for the 
> various parts of the edittemplate. Click to open fields, click to open 
> types, click to open preview, click to have editor toolbar buttons visible, 
> etc*
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

2020-04-25 Thread Edgaras

*Mohammad*, thank you!

Unfortunately, yes sign up is required, but it's free.

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki



On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 12:59:32 PM UTC-5, Edgaras wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
>
> I've just recently discovered TiddlyWiki (crazy it's been around for 15 
> years already!) and I am very pumped up about it! It's not only a great 
> note taking tool, but it's also a powerful CMS + Static Site Builder!
>
> I think that TW deserves and has a potential of reaching broader 
> audiences! 
>
> However, one of the biggest drawbacks for me is the *design of TW*. And 
> not only the visual design, but also the whole experience of using it. The 
> functionality and features seem very powerful (and I am just scratching the 
> surface), but the first time experience of using the tool is not very 
> pleasant. I really think we could greatly improve the visuals and usability 
> of TW, to match the other modern tools, and people expectations.
>
> This would address many of the root causes of these problems: Rethinking 
> tiddlywiki.com 
> 
>
> I am experienced UI designer and I am willing to volunteer on creating a 
> new minimal and simple, yet still powerful TW theme!
>
> I am looking for a developer who knows TW well and who wants to 
> collaborate on creating this new theme. I code myself a bit, but it would 
> be way more effective to collaborate with a bit more experienced coder.
>
> If there will be more interest, I will share all the design files on 
> Figma, so anybody can give feedback and we can improve the designs together!
>
> Anyhow, I would like to know if anybody can also see the value in what I 
> am talking about?  
>
> Cheers!
> - Edgaras
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki



On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 2:40:18 PM UTC+4:30, Edgaras wrote:
>
> Thank you for the warm welcome everyone and your responses!  
>
> 
>
> First of all, thanks to *Anne-Laure*, for republishing the TiddlyWiki on 
> ProductHunt, where it caught my attention and then invited me to this 
> community! 
>
> 
>
> This is one of the best collection of Tiddlywiki resources on the net.
>
>
> *Mohmmad*, thank you for sharing this resource, it will definitely come 
> in handy considering the key features and further into development.
>
> 
>
> *Tony,* thank you for the inputs, your interest and open mind!
>
> You are already mentioning bunch of great points:
>
>>
>>- TiddlyWiki can already do or be many things
>>
>>
>>- This presents a dilemma, because how do you set a basic standard 
>>   look for a chameleon? 
>>
>> This is why I am so excited about, it's super powerful, but somehow it 
> seems a bit overwhelming, with all the features shouting for the 
> importance. The tool could be as blank as it can be, while displaying first 
> possible actions, and then introducing complexity as you engage within a 
> context. 
>
>
>>- TiddlyWiki  is the answer to so many questions, but which question 
>>are you trying to answer?
>>
>>
>>- There are already innovative tiddlywiki layouts like a trello look 
>>alike, the Murri plugin and much more
>>
>> As I see it, TW should be as it is – super powerful personal notebook, 
> with a possibility to quickly and simply publish static website, as if 
> possible (don't know much about it) a collaborative writing tool. Some of 
> the things that I see are missing:
>
>1. Simple and intuitive interface that feels nice and simple to sit in 
>front of every morning (e.g. Bear app, Notion, Typora)
>2. Making sure that the notes are as modular and interconnected as 
>possible with backlinks etc. (yet still simple). (RoamResearch achieves 
>that quite well, but it can be better)
>3. Yet, NONE of those powerful ones are free and personal tools for 
>the new digital knowledge age. I believe everyone has a right to their own 
>personal digital knowledge management, publishing and collaboration.
>
> I've seen some of TW themes, but it feels more like as a surface redesign, 
> but underlying issues are there. Yes, some corrections on usability and 
> some nice features like sidebar are there, but many things like fonts, 
> icons, animations, white space feels odd, as most importantly, not much is 
> improved in the usability of editing. Also, obviously I haven't seen 
> enough! Please share if something minimal exist already.
>
>
>  I have a vision for such a solution I would be happy to share if you want 
>> to consider taking it on. 
>
>
> I would love to hear your vision if you are willing to share! Both on the 
> strategy and design, let's collaborate. We can discuss here + draft a more 
> structured google docs + prioritize tasks on Trello + share the actual 
> design vision and comment on Figma prototype.
>
>
> One way I would like to see the recent discussions evolve is a bit like 
>> how developers may use wordpress as the back end and write their own front 
>> end.
>
>
> Could you explain a bit more what do you mean here?
>
>
> When it comes to static site generation, there are great mechanisms in 
>> tiddlywiki to do this already as no doubt people see, but to make it really 
>> powerful we need to improve and support the workflow and templates used to 
>> do this. 
>
>
> I really want to dig deeper into the current state of art of TW's static 
> site generation. It must be as simple as in any other SSG, but even 
> simplier! I like what Publii  is doing. You just 
> write you site visually and then publish to GitHub Pages or SFTP as a 
> static site with one click (+ first time simple settup).
>
>
> Tiddlywiki as a platform, Software Development Kit, Personal Productivity 
>> tool, site generator, database interface design ... is almost infinite.
>>  
>
>
>> I would like to see a responsive theme that contains elements that come 
>> into use only if given content and obeys a set of rules that allows almost 
>> any design structure, with default that result in what we currently see, 
>> but a small set of changes transforms it.
>
>
> That's how I see it too! Simple, responsive, contextual, prioritised. 
> There should no unnecessary switching "modes", viewing and editing should 
> feel as one coherent flow. And all the power of the tool can come into the 
> right place, but it should to be prioritised.
>
> 
>
> *Mat *good idea! Is it possible somehow to tag Jeremy here so he can see 
> this post? Otherwise I will try to find him:)
>
> 
>
> We don't have to overthink it to start with! Yesterday I quickly mocked up

[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

Edgaras,

 I agree with Jed! Most of new features cab be quickly tried as 
plugins/add-on/themes. 
 Mat is right, Jeremy can be of great help in what you like to know in such 
details.

By the way, I love your systematic approach and design brief you gave! I am 
sure other super user/developer will comment and help

Go ahead and please share your progress here with community! You will 
receive supports.

Best wishes
Mohammad

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 1:23:00 PM UTC+4:30, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think that perhaps a design brief or something similar would be more 
> effective for gathering collaborators.
>
> The architecture of tiddlywiki as a piece of software makes everything a 
> plugin and everything is changeable, and it is open source, so it really 
> doesn't matter if something is accepted by Jeremy or any of the devs, you 
> can make it anyway. Also I don't think that Jeremy has ever turned down 
> contributions for new themes and the like as long as they are functional. 
> At a minimum if it comes out well it can be linked to as a good first theme 
> to use.
>

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[tw5] UI idea for snippet library

Just throwing out an idea for anyone who wants to service the community by 
providing curated wiki code (think Mohammads and Davids great services)

First, envision the looks of the (existing) plugin library. It shows a 
vertical row of plugins where each item consists of an icon and, next to 
it, some meta data. 

With that layout in mind, instead imagine a site that serves code snips. 
Instead of icons, it has *buttons*. Clicking a button executes "copy to 
memory". Further, instead of (or in addition to) meta data, there could be 
*fields 
*where the user can preset parameter values that are to be inserted in the 
snip before he clicks the copy-to-memory button. Sometimes even 
selectwidgets instead of fields.

I think it would be possible to use a template for creating this, i.e the 
snips are separate tiddlers and these are then run in a listwidget and 
displayed via the button+userfields template.

Yeah... that was it. Not expecting anyone to do this, just thought it was a 
neat idea ;-)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Feedback needed for experimental update to TiddlyBlink

@BTC thanks, will investigate. 

Suspect it's due to the tiddler title not being encapsulated in double brackets 
[[New Tiddler]]

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

2020-04-25 Thread Edgaras Benediktavicus

Birthe C good point to keep in mind, I definitely don't want to fork this 
project to a separate one! Community is the power.

That's why I am looking for somebody open-minded and who knows the TW code 
well, to think if we can achieve this through plugins and themes. 

So TW stays TW, or adopts some of the changes to the the main trunk, if 
majority agrees they are valid.

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Re: [tw5] Sorting a list by the quotient of two fields?

Brilliant! Thanks Jeremy. I had put that on my to-do list but wasn't sure when 
I would get around to it.

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[tw5] Re: Feedback needed for experimental update to TiddlyBlink

2020-04-25 Thread BurningTreeC



> @BTC thanks, will investigate.
>
> How did you move the tiddler to the other story? Divert button in the edit 
> template, or drag and drop via Open sidebar?
>

Hi, through the divert button. I didn't try the "Open" sidebar way.. 

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki