Re: [tw5] Re: Collapse and expand headings in a tiddler

[TW Tones]

Actually the summary tag can contain wiki text.

I have used it to allow editing {{tiddlername||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}

HelloThere 
{{HelloThere||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}

{{HelloThere}}


I also use filtered transclusion to count something and display that in the 
summary so there is not need to open it if there are no cases (=0)
Or wrap the whole thing to optionally display

<$list filter="display condition" variable=nul emptyMessage="No details 
message">
HelloThere 
{{HelloThere||$:/core/ui/Buttons/edit}}

{{HelloThere}}



Regards
Tones
On Monday, 30 August 2021 at 07:56:32 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not only can summary be styled, but details can be styled too, as per this 
> snippet from the tiddlers included in that earlier attachment of mine:
>
> <*details* style="background-color:white;border:1px solid lightgray;">
>   <*summary* style="font-size:1.5em;background-color:white;border:1px 
> solid lightgray;">{{!!title}}<$link>*
>
> <$transclude tiddler=<> mode="block"/>
> 
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:50:24 PM UTC-3 theok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> To add to what @David Gifford said I've been tinkering with the details 
>> html element today. They documentation I was reading said it didn't support 
>> any attributes besides open/close.
>>
>> BUT...  I discovered SUMMARY which is used to change it's name DOES.
>>
>> 
>> > style="background-color:green;color:white;font-weight:bold;width:220px;">TESTING
>>  
>> DETAILS STYLES
>>
>> Testing a bunch of testing text. a bunch and more and more and more.
>> 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 11:39:51 AM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hoo Nelly, I'm not an Emacs Org-Mode guy, so that is all gobbledygook to 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> There is a sweet spot for adequate WikiText:
>>>
>>>- complex WikiText formatting markup is bad
>>>- not enough simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
>>>- too much simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
>>>- not enough depends on the person; too much also depends on the 
>>>person
>>>
>>> That can be a drag when one needs some complicated formatting that isn't 
>>> available in WikiText (or whatever markup).
>>>
>>> But having to fall back on HTML/CSS isn't so bad.  With TiddlyWiki, it 
>>> can be plug and play.  Grab somebody else's HTML/CSS, drop it in some 
>>> tiddlers, and forget about it.
>>>
>>> Ideally, any HTML (well, anything particularly complicated/messy) you do 
>>> need can be put in a template tiddler, and then it is just a matter of 
>>> applying that template anywhere you need via the beauty of transclusion and 
>>> then you never need to put your eyeballs on that HTML again.  Well, maybe 
>>> once in a blue moon when really necessary.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I go bananas for transclusion ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 3:17:09 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:
>>>
 @Charlie,

 Thanks a lot. The example you showed nearly does what I wanted.

 But to implement it, I will need to do more than write simple wikitext.

 I was looking to solution like Emacs org-mode Visibility Cycling 
 .


 @David

 Thanks a ton!

 Your code snippet came in handy for something else that was bothering 
 me.  And that is solved now.

 But for collapse/ expand headings, it requires additional markup. That 
 would be too cumbersome to implement.



 On 29/08/21 4:24 am, David Gifford wrote:

 Everyone always forgets the simplest solution to this. The HTML details 
 disclosure element.

 Your section header

 {{Your transcluded tiddler}} 

 

 On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> BTW, please remember: anything cosmetically disagreeable can be easily 
> adjusted via some quick CSS adjustments. 
>
> For example: different border setup or no borders, background colors, 
> indent of sections within other sections, etc. etc.
>
> That code demo is very rough around the edges, just to prototype a 
> design possibility.
>
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:41:45 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Hello, 
>>
>> Just a code sample in case of any use.  It is just me imagining how 
>> I'd create a basic setup to get started.  A little bit rough around the 
>> edges.
>>
>> Download the attached and drag it into https://tiddlywiki.com/ for 
>> importing and checking out.
>>
>> Screenshot below fyi.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2021-08-28 3.40.35 PM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 12:23:22 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ReadThisLongManual tiddler carries this:
>>>
>>> ! Heading1
>>>
>>> {{||PartOne}}
>>>
>>> {{||PartTwo}}
>>>
>>> !! Heading 2
>>>
>>> Some text 

[tw5] Re: Highlighting duplicates in lists

[TW Tones]

Mohamad,

Part of the issue here is you have not yet learned the basic syntax of 
tiddlywiki yet, we all start somewhere, my instructions should have being 
self evident if you had just rudimentary tiddlywiki syntax, all of which I 
learned from TiddlyWiki.com 

I did answer this latest question here 
 and 
you can put *{{{ [all[current]get[date-field]format:date[]] }}} *where you 
read *this is displayed inside the list*

I am happy still to help, but you force me to revisit the whole thread 
again. I am not sure that when I gave previous answers, you tried to 
understand what I shared with you, it seems more like you just tried to 
"plugin my answers" to your code without trying to work it out. I may be 
wrong but please try a little harder to work through the carefully 
considered answers you get.

Tones

On Sunday, 29 August 2021 at 12:38:56 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> thanks tones,
>
> back one step , the original code was ..
>
>   matchthen[color: 
> red;]] }}}><>
> 
>
> 
> 
> the modified code is as follows 
>
> get[field]match
> *{!!field}*then[color: red;]] }}}>* this is displayed inside the 
> list* 
>
>
> the instruction is to replace 
>  *{{!!field}} *
> With *{{{ [all[current]get[field]format:date[]] }}}*
>
> *(change "field" to your date field)*
>
> making the code
>
> get[field]match 
> *{{{ 
> [all[current]get[field_example]format:date[]] }}} *then[color: red;]] 
> }}}> this is displayed inside the list 
>
> this does not work, prob because i have misinterpreted your instructions
>
> also there are several things missed out in the modified code , the enlist 
> operator, the   variable, is this intentional?
>
> if the date field is "field_example"  , can you please tell me what the 
> full line of code would be ..  
>
> thanks again
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:44:23 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> The information you are after is in my earlier post
>> *<> {{!!field}} *is the display replace this with *{{{ 
>> [all[current]get[field]format:date[]] }}}*
>>
>> It is what is inside the span that gets coloured using style attribute, 
>> thus what is inside the span is what is displayed,
>>
>> > [all[]prefix[New]!titleget[field]match{!!field}then[color: 
>> red;]] }}}>* this is displayed inside the list*
>>
>> So basically we replace the display of  *{{!!field}} *
>> With *{{{ [all[current]get[field]format:date[]] }}}*
>> (change "field" to your date field)
>>
>> So the following will be inside the span because you want the title and 
>> its date.
>> *<> **{{{ [all[current]get[field]format:date[]] }}}*
>>
>> The format operator requires tiddlywiki 5.1.23 or greater
>>
>> Tones
>> On Saturday, 28 August 2021 at 02:13:48 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi tones,
>>>
>>> have you had the chance to look at my last post?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 5:14:38 AM UTC+2 paulgilbert2000 wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tones,

 I am not sure which line of code you are referring too , the line that 
 does the coloring is 
 <$list filter="[all[current]get[field_example]] 
 [all[current]get[field_example2]] [all[current]get[field_example3]]" 
 variable=field-value>
 matchthen[color: 
 red;]] }}}><>

 It does not have <> {{!!field}} 

 instead there is  <>  ,so is this the bit that should be 
 replaced *?*

 i tried this  with no luck..


 *[image: Capture.PNG]*
 On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 6:29:52 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

> Hio,
>
> Back in my code
> 
> <$list filter="[all[]prefix[New]has[field]]">
> [all[]prefix[New]!titleget[field]match{!!field}then[color:
>  
> red;]] }}}>* <> {{!!field}}*
> 
> 
>
>
> *<> {{!!field}} *is the display
> replace this with 
> *{{{ [all[current]get[field]format:date[]] }}}*
> Not tested by me on this occasion
>
> where field is the chosen fieldname.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Monday, 16 August 2021 at 12:14:51 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you tones
>>
>> The real life example is to evaluate duplicate dates, so the actual 
>> real values populating the fields are not  1 ,2 , etc.. they are actual 
>> dates , IE . 2021062506295,   20210811055859000,etc.
>> and so what i was trying is to  do is have the highlighted duplicate 
>> values converted from the tiddly wiki format they are stored in in their 
>> respective fields , to a normal readable format when displayed in the 
>> filter
>>
>> the
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 2:34:07 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>>
>>> I am confused, until now the fields  field_example,  
>>> field_example1,  field_example2 did not contain dates. 
>>>
>>>- Are you trying to convert these to dates?
>>>- the view widget 

Re: [tw5] Re: Collapse and expand headings in a tiddler

[Charlie Veniot]

Not only can summary be styled, but details can be styled too, as per this 
snippet from the tiddlers included in that earlier attachment of mine:

<*details* style="background-color:white;border:1px solid lightgray;">
  <*summary* style="font-size:1.5em;background-color:white;border:1px solid 
lightgray;">{{!!title}}<$link>*

<$transclude tiddler=<> mode="block"/>


On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:50:24 PM UTC-3 theok...@gmail.com wrote:

> To add to what @David Gifford said I've been tinkering with the details 
> html element today. They documentation I was reading said it didn't support 
> any attributes besides open/close.
>
> BUT...  I discovered SUMMARY which is used to change it's name DOES.
>
> 
>  style="background-color:green;color:white;font-weight:bold;width:220px;">TESTING
>  
> DETAILS STYLES
>
> Testing a bunch of testing text. a bunch and more and more and more.
> 
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 11:39:51 AM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hoo Nelly, I'm not an Emacs Org-Mode guy, so that is all gobbledygook to 
>> me.
>>
>> There is a sweet spot for adequate WikiText:
>>
>>- complex WikiText formatting markup is bad
>>- not enough simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
>>- too much simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
>>- not enough depends on the person; too much also depends on the 
>>person
>>
>> That can be a drag when one needs some complicated formatting that isn't 
>> available in WikiText (or whatever markup).
>>
>> But having to fall back on HTML/CSS isn't so bad.  With TiddlyWiki, it 
>> can be plug and play.  Grab somebody else's HTML/CSS, drop it in some 
>> tiddlers, and forget about it.
>>
>> Ideally, any HTML (well, anything particularly complicated/messy) you do 
>> need can be put in a template tiddler, and then it is just a matter of 
>> applying that template anywhere you need via the beauty of transclusion and 
>> then you never need to put your eyeballs on that HTML again.  Well, maybe 
>> once in a blue moon when really necessary.
>>
>> Yeah, I go bananas for transclusion ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 3:17:09 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:
>>
>>> @Charlie,
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot. The example you showed nearly does what I wanted.
>>>
>>> But to implement it, I will need to do more than write simple wikitext.
>>>
>>> I was looking to solution like Emacs org-mode Visibility Cycling 
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> @David
>>>
>>> Thanks a ton!
>>>
>>> Your code snippet came in handy for something else that was bothering 
>>> me.  And that is solved now.
>>>
>>> But for collapse/ expand headings, it requires additional markup. That 
>>> would be too cumbersome to implement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/08/21 4:24 am, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Everyone always forgets the simplest solution to this. The HTML details 
>>> disclosure element.
>>>
>>> Your section header
>>>
>>> {{Your transcluded tiddler}} 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 BTW, please remember: anything cosmetically disagreeable can be easily 
 adjusted via some quick CSS adjustments. 

 For example: different border setup or no borders, background colors, 
 indent of sections within other sections, etc. etc.

 That code demo is very rough around the edges, just to prototype a 
 design possibility.

 On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:41:45 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

> Hello, 
>
> Just a code sample in case of any use.  It is just me imagining how 
> I'd create a basic setup to get started.  A little bit rough around the 
> edges.
>
> Download the attached and drag it into https://tiddlywiki.com/ for 
> importing and checking out.
>
> Screenshot below fyi.
>
> Cheers!
>
> [image: Screenshot 2021-08-28 3.40.35 PM.png]
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 12:23:22 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh 
> wrote:
>
>> ReadThisLongManual tiddler carries this:
>>
>> ! Heading1
>>
>> {{||PartOne}}
>>
>> {{||PartTwo}}
>>
>> !! Heading 2
>>
>> Some text under the heading
>>
>> {{||PartThree}}
>>
>> When rendered, there will be several headings. Some of these will 
>> come from the transcluded templates.
>>
>> Is there a way to collapse/ expand these headings at will? So, while 
>> viewing, either clicking on the heading will collapse/ expand it or 
>> there 
>> is a tiny button next to it that will do the collapse/ expand?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Collapse and expand headings in a tiddler

[Paul Hampshire]

To add to what @David Gifford said I've been tinkering with the details 
html element today. They documentation I was reading said it didn't support 
any attributes besides open/close.

BUT...  I discovered SUMMARY which is used to change it's name DOES.


TESTING
 
DETAILS STYLES

Testing a bunch of testing text. a bunch and more and more and more.


On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 11:39:51 AM UTC-4 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hoo Nelly, I'm not an Emacs Org-Mode guy, so that is all gobbledygook to 
> me.
>
> There is a sweet spot for adequate WikiText:
>
>- complex WikiText formatting markup is bad
>- not enough simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
>- too much simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
>- not enough depends on the person; too much also depends on the person
>
> That can be a drag when one needs some complicated formatting that isn't 
> available in WikiText (or whatever markup).
>
> But having to fall back on HTML/CSS isn't so bad.  With TiddlyWiki, it can 
> be plug and play.  Grab somebody else's HTML/CSS, drop it in some tiddlers, 
> and forget about it.
>
> Ideally, any HTML (well, anything particularly complicated/messy) you do 
> need can be put in a template tiddler, and then it is just a matter of 
> applying that template anywhere you need via the beauty of transclusion and 
> then you never need to put your eyeballs on that HTML again.  Well, maybe 
> once in a blue moon when really necessary.
>
> Yeah, I go bananas for transclusion ...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 3:17:09 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:
>
>> @Charlie,
>>
>> Thanks a lot. The example you showed nearly does what I wanted.
>>
>> But to implement it, I will need to do more than write simple wikitext.
>>
>> I was looking to solution like Emacs org-mode Visibility Cycling 
>> .
>>
>>
>> @David
>>
>> Thanks a ton!
>>
>> Your code snippet came in handy for something else that was bothering 
>> me.  And that is solved now.
>>
>> But for collapse/ expand headings, it requires additional markup. That 
>> would be too cumbersome to implement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29/08/21 4:24 am, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Everyone always forgets the simplest solution to this. The HTML details 
>> disclosure element.
>>
>> Your section header
>>
>> {{Your transcluded tiddler}} 
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, please remember: anything cosmetically disagreeable can be easily 
>>> adjusted via some quick CSS adjustments. 
>>>
>>> For example: different border setup or no borders, background colors, 
>>> indent of sections within other sections, etc. etc.
>>>
>>> That code demo is very rough around the edges, just to prototype a 
>>> design possibility.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:41:45 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
 Hello, 

 Just a code sample in case of any use.  It is just me imagining how I'd 
 create a basic setup to get started.  A little bit rough around the edges.

 Download the attached and drag it into https://tiddlywiki.com/ for 
 importing and checking out.

 Screenshot below fyi.

 Cheers!

 [image: Screenshot 2021-08-28 3.40.35 PM.png]



 On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 12:23:22 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

> ReadThisLongManual tiddler carries this:
>
> ! Heading1
>
> {{||PartOne}}
>
> {{||PartTwo}}
>
> !! Heading 2
>
> Some text under the heading
>
> {{||PartThree}}
>
> When rendered, there will be several headings. Some of these will come 
> from the transcluded templates.
>
> Is there a way to collapse/ expand these headings at will? So, while 
> viewing, either clicking on the heading will collapse/ expand it or there 
> is a tiny button next to it that will do the collapse/ expand?
>
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[tw5] Re: Introducing the RandomTiddlerButton plugin

[Jon]

Thanks for this - just what I was looking for!

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 11 August 2021 at 14:32:47 UTC+1 R² wrote:

> Thanks for commenting Mario. No merit there, it's merely a FontAwesome SVG 
> I extracted to avoid requiring DiveO's whole plugin as a dependency.
>
> ++ R²
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

[jtech108]

Hello all,

As always, late to the party. Seems lots has happened while I was away.
Good to hear an alternative to Google Groups in underway.

Just signed up in: talk.tiddlywiki.org

Stay safe, stay healthy everyone.

Regards,

Julio

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:23 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> Ed,
>
> It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here and 
> keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that 
> TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with 
> different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it 
> is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small 
> or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs 
> are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to 
> the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes.
>
> If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average 
> Joes.
>
> Best wishes
> Tony
>  
>
>
> On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may 
>> have sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion 
>> are now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to 
>> interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to 
>> keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even 
>> peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time 
>> to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind 
>> this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and 
>> avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. 
>>
>> Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind 
>> this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want 
>> you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! 
>>
>> So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when all 
>> this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of a 
>> group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill a 
>> very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle 
>> extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy 
>> to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little 
>> use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on 
>> very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the 
>> fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with 
>> TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning 
>> management server on site which I had already established, allowing 
>> the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and 
>> apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did 
>> present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as 
>> well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain 
>> tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let 
>> anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, 
>> requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few 
>> who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a 
>> fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I 
>> had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a 
>> professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering 
>> a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to 
>> be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is 
>> very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding 
>> this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on 
>> full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an 
>> awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to 
>> any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that 
>> would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever 
>> it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to 
>> see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys 
>> definitely know what's going on now better than I do.
>>
>> I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally 
>> the full threads within them when I think there might be something I need 
>> to know or I can use. I am not sure (memory is really bad) but I think my 
>> only posts in the last several years and maybe since my surgeries were just 
>> about this particular subject anyway. Fighting change for changes sake and 
>> my ability to cope with it LOL. The last thing I would want to see happen 
>> and I sure others with similar 

Re: [tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

[Charlie Veniot]

That wasn't particularly useful.

This Google Search 
,
 
though, did find:

https://meta.discourse.org/t/reduce-page-margins/159101

The "Wide Theme 
" would be 
good, but useless to me if I can't have both the Wide Theme and Sam's 
Simple Theme simultaneously.

Well, I suppose there can only be one selected theme, so I'd need some kind 
soul to combine Wide and Sam's Simple into an all in one.  "Wide Sam's 
Simple"?  Well, just wide for viewing a topic.  With Sam's Simple to view 
list of topics, it wouldn't make much sense for that to be wide.



On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 2:47:13 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
>
>  Boris has replied and suggested having a look at Discourse themes, they 
> welcome to add more themes!
> Please see https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/other-themes-for-discourse/446
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:46 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:
>
>> Just to re-iterate:
>>
>>- "Sam's Simple Theme" does address one major problem I had
>>
>>
>>- *HOWEVER* *(I think Mohammed was referring to this major peeve of 
>>mine)*: when viewing a discussion topic/thread, the obscene size of 
>>left and right side margins rob me of almost 50% of my 27 inch display's 
>>available space width-wise, making for more vertical scrolling and 
>> content 
>>flying vertically out of view
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 12:42:08 AM UTC-3 strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammed,
>>> Go to preferences then Interface and you will see Sams Simple theme. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 5:31:08 AM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:03 AM Charlie Veniot  
 wrote:

> Yeah, GG still works better for me than TT on my desktop.
>
> I don't do mobile, and I suspect it is the mobile goodness in 
> discourse that makes the desktop experience pretty crappy from my 
> perspective.
>
> Every several days or so, I do visit https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/.
>
> My big annoyance at the moment: I have a nice 27 inch display and 
> almost half of the width is used up by obscenely sized margins on left 
> and 
> right side, forcing me into more scrolling up and down.  (Not an issue 
> when 
> viewing list of topics; is an issue when viewing a specific topic.)
>

 *Q:*

 To the attention of https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/. admin!
 Are there other themes out there to be selected based on the user's 
 taste and need?

  

>
> If that gets addressed, then I'll be fine moving to talk.tiddly.org 
> when GG gets locked.
>
> On the positive side:
>
>- My previous annoyance with much-too-busy topics screen was 
>resolved by the "Sam's Simple Theme". 
>- WCAG Dark color scheme is good.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:10:21 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> One more exciting feature of talk.tiddlywiki.org
>>
>> When I send a message in GG, I see it in talk.tiddlywiki.org. It 
>> mirrors GG and all posts (Q)
>>
>> So, when I am not active in GG, I see what is going on in GG!
>> Amazingly is If I send a post in GG, then I can edit it in TT (
>> talk.tiddlywiki.org)
>> TT is forgiving enough to allow me to edit my mistakes in GG!
>>
>> Are you still hesitant which is better: GG or TT?
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:31 PM Mohammad  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> More features
>>>
>>> *https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ *
>>>
>>> 1. is much more readable on my mobile phone than GG
>>> 2. is more mobile friendly in terms of layout
>>> 3. allows me to reply privately to author
>>> 4. allow me to create a wiki (means a page, multiple users can edit 
>>> it)
>>> 5. when I type the new post subjects warns me of similar questions
>>> 6. display the summary of page if I put a link
>>>
>>> talk.tiddlywiki.org makes life easier!  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 3:04:08 PM UTC+4:30 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ 
 ) instead of Google Forum?*


1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be 
notified what is going on Google Forum
2. it allows previewing your post before sending
3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very 
good feature I frequently need)
4. it supports pinig other users
5. it support code block
6. it supports nice sharing features e.g 

Re: [tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Charlie,

 Boris has replied and suggested having a look at Discourse themes, they
welcome to add more themes!
Please see https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/other-themes-for-discourse/446



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:46 AM Charlie Veniot  wrote:

> Just to re-iterate:
>
>- "Sam's Simple Theme" does address one major problem I had
>
>
>- *HOWEVER* *(I think Mohammed was referring to this major peeve of
>mine)*: when viewing a discussion topic/thread, the obscene size of
>left and right side margins rob me of almost 50% of my 27 inch display's
>available space width-wise, making for more vertical scrolling and content
>flying vertically out of view
>
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 12:42:08 AM UTC-3 strikke...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammed,
>> Go to preferences then Interface and you will see Sams Simple theme.
>>
>> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 5:31:08 AM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:03 AM Charlie Veniot 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, GG still works better for me than TT on my desktop.

 I don't do mobile, and I suspect it is the mobile goodness in discourse
 that makes the desktop experience pretty crappy from my perspective.

 Every several days or so, I do visit https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/.

 My big annoyance at the moment: I have a nice 27 inch display and
 almost half of the width is used up by obscenely sized margins on left and
 right side, forcing me into more scrolling up and down.  (Not an issue when
 viewing list of topics; is an issue when viewing a specific topic.)

>>>
>>> *Q:*
>>>
>>> To the attention of https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/. admin!
>>> Are there other themes out there to be selected based on the user's
>>> taste and need?
>>>
>>>
>>>

 If that gets addressed, then I'll be fine moving to talk.tiddly.org
 when GG gets locked.

 On the positive side:

- My previous annoyance with much-too-busy topics screen was
resolved by the "Sam's Simple Theme".
- WCAG Dark color scheme is good.




 On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:10:21 PM UTC-3 Mohammad wrote:

> One more exciting feature of talk.tiddlywiki.org
>
> When I send a message in GG, I see it in talk.tiddlywiki.org. It
> mirrors GG and all posts (Q)
>
> So, when I am not active in GG, I see what is going on in GG!
> Amazingly is If I send a post in GG, then I can edit it in TT (
> talk.tiddlywiki.org)
> TT is forgiving enough to allow me to edit my mistakes in GG!
>
> Are you still hesitant which is better: GG or TT?
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:31 PM Mohammad 
> wrote:
>
>> More features
>>
>> *https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ *
>>
>> 1. is much more readable on my mobile phone than GG
>> 2. is more mobile friendly in terms of layout
>> 3. allows me to reply privately to author
>> 4. allow me to create a wiki (means a page, multiple users can edit
>> it)
>> 5. when I type the new post subjects warns me of similar questions
>> 6. display the summary of page if I put a link
>>
>> talk.tiddlywiki.org makes life easier!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 3:04:08 PM UTC+4:30 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>> ) instead of Google Forum?*
>>>
>>>
>>>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be
>>>notified what is going on Google Forum
>>>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>>>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very
>>>good feature I frequently need)
>>>4. it supports pinig other users
>>>5. it support code block
>>>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>>>
>>>
>>> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Some coding fun: A Word Occurrence Highlighter

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Very nice!
I would suggest adding a little documentation!
I also like to add this to the standard TW search!



Best wishes
Mohammad


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> Drag the attached to https://tiddlywiki.com/ to import the single tiddler.
>
> This bit of coding fun inspired by the Highlighting duplicates in lists
>  discussion thread.
>
> My kind of "BrainAge" game.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Installing plugins on node.js installation

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 11:45:56 PM UTC-7 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

> That is a relief, Mark.
>
> But although I have not installed any *official* plugin myself, the 
> following plugins are installed already. I guess they are installed by 
> default.
>
>- Core 
>- Filesystem 
>- Highlight 
>- Tiddlyweb 
>
> You should never drag and drop those particular plugins -- they're 
provided from the central repository when node runs. They're "Sort of" 
installed by default. If you look in your tiddlywiki.info file, you'll see 
that all of them except core are listed. Core isn't listed because there 
would be no TiddlyWiki without the core ;-) So I guess you could say that 
it is a true default. You could remove Filesystem and Tiddlyweb (I think) 
from tiddlywiki.info if you wanted a read-only node instance. 



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[tw5] Re: Some coding fun: A Word Occurrence Highlighter

[Charlie Veniot]

Cognitively, "mark" throws me off because every time I see that I think of 
"Mark", a great childhood buddy.  Then, whatever I'm trying to do at the 
moment hits a major pause as I'm distracted by childhood memories.  
Everything, and I mean everything, is just one degree of separation from 
everything else ...

Giggles aside:

I didn't focus much on making things particularly very readable or 
organized or easy to understand (just a quick and dirty coding exercise).  
If anything is clear as mud, please let me know, and I can clean things up 
and explain things a smidgen.  


On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 5:15:57 AM UTC-3 Télumire wrote:

> Hi, thanks for sharing this, I struggle a bit with the filter operator so 
> this help a lot !
> As a side note, the  element 
>  would be a 
> more semantic solution :)
>
> Le dimanche 29 août 2021 à 06:39:42 UTC+2, cj.v...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
>> Drag the attached to https://tiddlywiki.com/ to import the single 
>> tiddler.
>>
>> This bit of coding fun inspired by the Highlighting duplicates in lists 
>>  discussion thread.
>>
>> My kind of "BrainAge" game.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Collapse and expand headings in a tiddler

[Charlie Veniot]

Hoo Nelly, I'm not an Emacs Org-Mode guy, so that is all gobbledygook to me.

There is a sweet spot for adequate WikiText:

   - complex WikiText formatting markup is bad
   - not enough simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
   - too much simple WikiText formatting markup is bad
   - not enough depends on the person; too much also depends on the person

That can be a drag when one needs some complicated formatting that isn't 
available in WikiText (or whatever markup).

But having to fall back on HTML/CSS isn't so bad.  With TiddlyWiki, it can 
be plug and play.  Grab somebody else's HTML/CSS, drop it in some tiddlers, 
and forget about it.

Ideally, any HTML (well, anything particularly complicated/messy) you do 
need can be put in a template tiddler, and then it is just a matter of 
applying that template anywhere you need via the beauty of transclusion and 
then you never need to put your eyeballs on that HTML again.  Well, maybe 
once in a blue moon when really necessary.

Yeah, I go bananas for transclusion ...





On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 3:17:09 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

> @Charlie,
>
> Thanks a lot. The example you showed nearly does what I wanted.
>
> But to implement it, I will need to do more than write simple wikitext.
>
> I was looking to solution like Emacs org-mode Visibility Cycling 
> .
>
>
> @David
>
> Thanks a ton!
>
> Your code snippet came in handy for something else that was bothering me.  
> And that is solved now.
>
> But for collapse/ expand headings, it requires additional markup. That 
> would be too cumbersome to implement.
>
>
>
> On 29/08/21 4:24 am, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Everyone always forgets the simplest solution to this. The HTML details 
> disclosure element.
>
> Your section header
>
> {{Your transcluded tiddler}} 
>
> 
>
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> BTW, please remember: anything cosmetically disagreeable can be easily 
>> adjusted via some quick CSS adjustments. 
>>
>> For example: different border setup or no borders, background colors, 
>> indent of sections within other sections, etc. etc.
>>
>> That code demo is very rough around the edges, just to prototype a design 
>> possibility.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:41:45 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, 
>>>
>>> Just a code sample in case of any use.  It is just me imagining how I'd 
>>> create a basic setup to get started.  A little bit rough around the edges.
>>>
>>> Download the attached and drag it into https://tiddlywiki.com/ for 
>>> importing and checking out.
>>>
>>> Screenshot below fyi.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2021-08-28 3.40.35 PM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 12:23:22 AM UTC-3 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:
>>>
 ReadThisLongManual tiddler carries this:

 ! Heading1

 {{||PartOne}}

 {{||PartTwo}}

 !! Heading 2

 Some text under the heading

 {{||PartThree}}

 When rendered, there will be several headings. Some of these will come 
 from the transcluded templates.

 Is there a way to collapse/ expand these headings at will? So, while 
 viewing, either clicking on the heading will collapse/ expand it or there 
 is a tiny button next to it that will do the collapse/ expand?

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[tw5] Re: List sort by count field operator

[Soren Bjornstad]

Can you maybe upload a small wiki with some tiddlers that could serve as an 
example? It's pretty difficult to go into more depth without any data to 
try it on.

On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 9:47:27 PM UTC-5 barro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for your response, you have always been helpful.
>
> I'm still working on it and studying your thread (Retrieving the number of 
> link paths to a tiddler, 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/c_f9bfnp2KY/m/lMfu_WIpBAAJ ) 
> where you ranked tiddlers by number of backlinks.
>
> Where I'm going wrong-- I don't think a single list/filter (without a 
> subfilter or second filter) will  let me sort by the count I'm aiming for, 
> since the count of the root filter would just be the number of different 
> values of the field being filtered, not the count of tiddlers having each 
> different value.  Putting in the each[]get[]count[] in the sortsub with any 
> of the suffixes is producing any result.
>
> What I'm starting out with, this gives an alphabetical listing (rather 
> than the default listing without a sort which I assume is by field creation 
> time but not sure if that's so):
>
>
>
> \define fldcntvar() [:filter[count[]]
>
> <$list 
> filter="[tag[zz@]each[zztopic]get[zztopic]subsort:integer]"><$view
>  
> field="title"/> - <$count 
> filter="[tag[zz@]zztopic]"/>
>
> I also tried $set and $var for the sortsub filter but stuck with macro 
> definition after seeing your work.
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 9:16:08 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> Unless I'm misunderstanding, sortsub[] with a filter containing count[] 
>> should do what you need. You might need to add the *integer* suffix to 
>> it though, or else it will sort the numbers alphabetically and not produce 
>> a very useful sort.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 6:05:57 AM UTC-5 barro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw references to sorting list results by the count operator but 
>>> didn't find the actual threads/posts about the method.
>>>
>>> I assume it will require a subfilter, because in a root list filter the 
>>> count just returns the count of the list results, not counts for each of 
>>> the list results.  
>>>
>>> The sortsub operation worked with anything involving the titles of the 
>>> list results (such as length) but not the count operator.
>>>
>>> What I'm aiming for is ranking/sorting results (greatest to lowest 
>>> counts) of such lists as tags and tiddlers tagged with each or
>>>
>>> fields and how many tiddlers have each value of a particular field such 
>>> as below:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[tag[zz]each[zzfield1]get[zzfield1]]"><$view 
>>> field="title"/> - <$count filter="[tag[zz] 
>>> zzfield1]"/>
>>>
>>> Any directions to threads about such esoteric wikiery would be greatly 
>>> appreciated...
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: 10 Years of TiddlyWiki Development in 7 Minutes

[TiddlyTweeter]

@PMario I  like that! It is one of the FEW representations I have ever seen 
where coding emulates the ORGANIC well.

The use of MUSIC in it is really good! Ever a liker of Fantasia, a use of 
sophisticated 
music for modern sensibilities , 
its gets 10 out of 10 for me ... 

TT, x

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 20:32:16 UTC+2 PMario wrote:

>
> 10 Years of TiddlyWiki Development in 7 Minutes 
> 
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[tw5] Re: 10 Years of TiddlyWiki Development in 7 Minutes

[PMario]

I did create an account at https://codescene.io/ . They do have a free tier 
for open-source projects. ... BUT they do want to have read and write 
access to the whole repo to work properly. So I do need to create a new 
organisation with a fork of TW to be able to run some tests. 
Github tokes imo are a bit generous with access rights granted. ... 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: !!! ''foo'' does not appear as bold

[Sapphireslinger]

Thank you so much, Álvaro! That worked!

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:19:09 AM UTC+8 Álvaro wrote:

> It is a problem with font-weight that it fixed in the prerelease, the fix 
> 
> the heading elements have a font-weight of 300 and the ** element 
> has font-weight bolder.
> The bolder of 300 is 400 (=normal)
> You can see the specification about this property here 
> 
>
> El lunes, 16 de agosto de 2021 a las 14:47:50 UTC+2, TW Tones escribió:
>
>> Can you give an example?
>>
>> This works;
>>
>>  This is a heading with ''bold'' in it
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Saturday, 14 August 2021 at 20:03:47 UTC+10 Sapphireslinger wrote:
>>
>>> The heading wikitext cancels out the bold wikitext.
>>>
>>> I went to the control panel and looked through the palette editor but 
>>> couldn't find anything to edit to keep the H1 and H2  and H3 (etc) buttons 
>>> from interfering with the bold formatting. 
>>>
>>> I am using Vanilla theme.
>>>
>>> Thank you for any tips.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: !!! ''foo'' does not appear as bold

[Sapphireslinger]

Thank you so much! That worked!

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 7:19:09 AM UTC+8 Álvaro wrote:

> It is a problem with font-weight that it fixed in the prerelease, the fix 
> 
> the heading elements have a font-weight of 300 and the ** element 
> has font-weight bolder.
> The bolder of 300 is 400 (=normal)
> You can see the specification about this property here 
> 
>
> El lunes, 16 de agosto de 2021 a las 14:47:50 UTC+2, TW Tones escribió:
>
>> Can you give an example?
>>
>> This works;
>>
>>  This is a heading with ''bold'' in it
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Saturday, 14 August 2021 at 20:03:47 UTC+10 Sapphireslinger wrote:
>>
>>> The heading wikitext cancels out the bold wikitext.
>>>
>>> I went to the control panel and looked through the palette editor but 
>>> couldn't find anything to edit to keep the H1 and H2  and H3 (etc) buttons 
>>> from interfering with the bold formatting. 
>>>
>>> I am using Vanilla theme.
>>>
>>> Thank you for any tips.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Some coding fun: A Word Occurrence Highlighter

[Télumire]

Hi, thanks for sharing this, I struggle a bit with the filter operator so 
this help a lot !
As a side note, the  element 
 would be a 
more semantic solution :)

Le dimanche 29 août 2021 à 06:39:42 UTC+2, cj.v...@gmail.com a écrit :

> Drag the attached to https://tiddlywiki.com/ to import the single tiddler.
>
> This bit of coding fun inspired by the Highlighting duplicates in lists 
>  discussion thread.
>
> My kind of "BrainAge" game.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Installing plugins on node.js installation

[Sandip P. Deshmukh]

That is a relief, Mark.

But although I have not installed any *official* plugin myself, the 
following plugins are installed already. I guess they are installed by 
default.


 * Core
 * Filesystem
 * Highlight
 * Tiddlyweb

Is there anything specific I need to do about these?


On 28/08/21 7:29 pm, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki wrote:

You shouldn't worry.

Someday, if you have lots of TW files on node.js that all need the 
same plugin, then it might become more convenient to have a central 
plugin repository. The main thing is to not install *official* plugins 
by dragging and dropping, because they can change with every upgrade 
of TW.


On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 6:50:30 AM UTC-7 Sandip Deshmukh wrote:

I installed a tiddlywik on node.js on my linux computer.

Then I installed some plugins like Relink the usual way ---
dragging the link to the wiki. And everything seemed to work
perfectly.

Then I came across this
.

And now I am worried. Should I uninstall all the plugins and
install them the correct way OR just leave things as they are? Why
worry when nothing 'appears' broken?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Collapse and expand headings in a tiddler

[Sandip P. Deshmukh]

@Charlie,

Thanks a lot. The example you showed nearly does what I wanted.

But to implement it, I will need to do more than write simple wikitext.

I was looking to solution like Emacs org-mode Visibility Cycling 
.



@David

Thanks a ton!

Your code snippet came in handy for something else that was bothering 
me.  And that is solved now.


But for collapse/ expand headings, it requires additional markup. That 
would be too cumbersome to implement.




On 29/08/21 4:24 am, David Gifford wrote:
Everyone always forgets the simplest solution to this. The HTML 
details disclosure element.


Your section header

{{Your transcluded tiddler}}



On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 1:49:15 PM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

BTW, please remember: anything cosmetically disagreeable can be
easily adjusted via some quick CSS adjustments.

For example: different border setup or no borders, background
colors, indent of sections within other sections, etc. etc.

That code demo is very rough around the edges, just to prototype a
design possibility.

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:41:45 PM UTC-3 Charlie Veniot wrote:

Hello,

Just a code sample in case of any use.  It is just me
imagining how I'd create a basic setup to get started. A
little bit rough around the edges.

Download the attached and drag it into https://tiddlywiki.com/
 for importing and checking out.

Screenshot below fyi.

Cheers!

Screenshot 2021-08-28 3.40.35 PM.png



On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 12:23:22 AM UTC-3 Sandip
Deshmukh wrote:

ReadThisLongManual tiddler carries this:

! Heading1

{{||PartOne}}

{{||PartTwo}}

!! Heading 2

Some text under the heading

{{||PartThree}}

When rendered, there will be several headings. Some of
these will come from the transcluded templates.

Is there a way to collapse/ expand these headings at will?
So, while viewing, either clicking on the heading will
collapse/ expand it or there is a tiny button next to it
that will do the collapse/ expand?

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