Hello all, As always, late to the party. Seems lots has happened while I was away. Good to hear an alternative to Google Groups in underway.
Just signed up in: talk.tiddlywiki.org Stay safe, stay healthy everyone. Regards, Julio On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:35:23 AM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote: > Ed, > > It is truly amazing given what you have gone through that you are here and > keeping an interest and sharing your story. I believe strongly that > TiddlyWiki is a tool towards democratising software for every one with > different skills, ability, experience, capacities in different areas. If it > is what I believe it to be, it must be able to support all our needs small > or large. Everyone of our community members especially with different needs > are valuable participants, because without you all we cant be exposed to > the issues that arise, and our communities capacity diminishes. > > If we play our cards right tiddlywiki will enable far more than average > Joes. > > Best wishes > Tony > > > > On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 16:18:17 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Tony, >> >> I honestly didn't read your reply as a complaint but thought mine may >> have sounded that way or offended someone. Misunderstandings and confusion >> are now a cloud that surrounds not only me but all those who dare try to >> interpret what I am attempting to express as well LOL and a good reason to >> keep that picture handy! Anyway, after looking at discourse (I hadn't even >> peeked) and seeing I can go there and find out what is happening from time >> to time without even setting up an account and knowing Jeremy is behind >> this, I see nothing to worry about. I like sticking to the core and >> avoiding addons as much as possible anyway. >> >> Thanks Jeremy for letting me know what's happening and you are behind >> this. I am so sorry to hear you had to deal with this bug! We do not want >> you in my shape, get or stay well whichever best applies! >> >> So, If it helps? I have been pretty much just lurking since 2014 when all >> this stuff happened to me anyway and regretfully right in the middle of a >> group effort with many here to build an add on for TW5 that would fulfill a >> very specific need in education and I see has now been done ( a moodle >> extension using scorm or whatever they are calling it now)! I am so happy >> to see that but feel I had to let down many and regretfully it's of little >> use to me now (no longer able to teach). The purpose I had was to use on >> very limited tablets, in correctional (prison) systems, to get around the >> fact that they had no internet access, only a browser for email, but with >> TW5 would be able to pull and receive data from a learning >> management server on site which I had already established, allowing >> the teacher and student to track progress etc. I do appreciate and >> apologize to all here that were in that group when this happened; it did >> present capabilities far beyond my use in a greater educational role as >> well and we were all very excited about it at the time. My stroke and brain >> tumor came out of nowhere (I can't even remember if I was able to let >> anyone here know about it). My first surgery I came out OK but not right, >> requiring a second that really did some damage but I am one of a very few >> who have survived everything that happened to me I am told. I am still in a >> fight trying to recover memories, and some of the very basic abilities I >> had before like simply playing my guitar for relaxation (I was a >> professional musician for decades before teaching full time). Administering >> a network much less teaching others to do so is definitely never going to >> be an option again (or working for that matter the cloud of confusion is >> very real. Cognitive abilities tested and with everything else surrounding >> this I am no longer able to work in any setting. I am now on >> full disability just trying to write this is taking an eternity). We had an >> awesome team but it serves as a great example of why not to get married to >> any platform including Goole. Perhaps if our GG here can be exported that >> would be wise? We were using something I think G+ or Google+ but whatever >> it was is now gone and all that was communicated within it. I would hate to >> see that happen here regardless of platform and know you guys >> definitely know what's going on now better than I do. >> >> I read these condensed email updates weekly and then only occasionally >> the full threads within them when I think there might be something I need >> to know or I can use. I am not sure (memory is really bad) but I think my >> only posts in the last several years and maybe since my surgeries were just >> about this particular subject anyway. Fighting change for changes sake and >> my ability to cope with it LOL. The last thing I would want to see happen >> and I sure others with similar problems agree would be to see anything >> hinder TW5 development and beyond. Jermey is the master of making the >> complicated simple (seriously Jeremy you would make a great teacher if you >> were not such an awesome developer!) so far all releases have been >> pretty self explanatory as far as basic functionality goes anyway >> especially with his release notes and the help he and everyone here or >> later there in discourse provides. So until I really need to communicate I >> will probably just lurk there as I have here and search threads on both to >> find answers to any questions I may have. Almost always anything I might >> have a question about has already been asked and answered anyway. You guys >> are awesome and I want you to know that despite what I can or can not do I >> am 100% behind all of you! >> >> Thanks, >> >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 7:17 PM TW Tones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Birthe/Strike, >>> >>> I hope Ed did not think "I thought he was complaining". I think my >>> argument points out the new platform will be valuable to everyone, and is >>> important, despite the pain of change. In fact it is really important Ed >>> and Charlie etc.. understand I will help in any way I can. >>> >>> Some of these improvements will help reduce cognitive load once we have >>> them working, like being able to have a Wiki Post that we can all edit >>> which ultimately can summarise a thread. >>> >>> Also I would hope the overriding message is "as a community we can work >>> with our diverse community" to support and enable them which I can really >>> see is necessary when moving to a fully featured solution. Basically unlike >>> many other communities members can get personal one on one support. We have >>> done some in the past, and yes we can do so more, but the community seems >>> dedicated to do so. >>> >>> Still I welcome your comments. >>> >>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 13:20:39 UTC+10 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Tony, >>>> Ed did not complain. He would not like to miss totally out on the group >>>> and is afraid that will happen! Explained that his need was to receive >>>> email summary as that is the only way it would be possible for him to >>>> enjoy >>>> the part possible for him to use. The question was not about the reasoning >>>> for some to want the move - but: "Will I be able to receive email summary >>>> from this new group - and if so, can someone help me get it set up?" >>>> >>>> Just as when you asked for a couple of days, why you were not able to >>>> login and get writing in the new group - and asked repeatedly to get help >>>> from moderators to be able to write to the group. (Sure easy to sign up - >>>> you now write). Other people have other problems, and not everyone has all >>>> of your expertise in using all sorts of groups at a professional level. >>>> >>>> As a promoter for the move and now a leader in the new group prepare >>>> for questions like this - and be happy when they are asked. This group is >>>> large and lots of users have used it for years - but have special needs to >>>> be able to do so. If questions like this is not met with answers - those >>>> users will just be sorry and give up without telling you - and have lost >>>> yet another thing in life. Please remember that someone's gain is often >>>> happening while others loose out. >>>> >>>> We know that quite some users of this group -found ways to keep using >>>> Tiddlywiki and this group. And at. some point explained their special >>>> needs >>>> and why they needed a solution. Poor eyesight or blindness has been one of >>>> them. >>>> >>>> I would think that promoting the discourse group - why not make it >>>> clear - can you use the group directly from receiving emails - emails >>>> summary. Can you use the group fully if your only way of being able is >>>> using a screen reader? >>>> >>>> Others have written earlier about having difficulty with busy screens, >>>> moving parts - and lot of colour - lots of changing screens with shifting >>>> layouts - and even more I cannot remember now. Explain how to use it for >>>> those - if possible. >>>> >>>> If people with special needs are not in the target group for the the >>>> new group - save time and explain why. >>>> >>>> Please think about it - and ask people to explain their problems - and >>>> try to find solutions. Use those points in the promotion. Plenty of >>>> telling it is beautiful, easy, what some wants etc. I think most have read >>>> that by now. >>>> >>>> And the questions have to be asked before your wished making this group >>>> read only - because afterwards - you will never know. >>>> >>>> Who *IS* in the Target group for the new group? And then list the >>>> promoting points - ALL of them. Show that list clearly in both groups. >>>> >>>> Please - I did not in anyway want to offend anyone - but we are not all >>>> the same. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:46:44 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ed, >>>>> >>>>> Many of us who are deeply imbedded and active in Google Groups have >>>>> good reasons and arguments to move. Apart from the fact you can't even >>>>> reply on a mobile, mark code in a forum post and more Discourse solves a >>>>> range of problems and issues that I expect you do not experience every >>>>> day. >>>>> >>>>> We can't rely on Google any more and moving to talk.tiddlywiki.org >>>>> puts control into the communities hands. In many ways "a move" if not >>>>> "this >>>>> move" has being on the cards for years, however getting consensus from >>>>> the >>>>> community is like herding cats. To put this decision on Jeremy alone is >>>>> also asking too much. >>>>> >>>>> I know change can be difficult but as always the community is here to >>>>> help, and from what I have seen Discourse offers everything and more than >>>>> GG. So I am confident we can restore the functionality you want. >>>>> >>>>> Please continue to raise issues but also let the community help you >>>>> transition or solve the problems you experience, or even ultimately >>>>> change >>>>> our minds because of your experience. >>>>> >>>>> If you did not see yet, signing up at talk.tiddlywiki.org with your >>>>> google login is possibly the easiest entry to the new system. >>>>> >>>>> Yours sincerely >>>>> Tony >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, 24 August 2021 at 01:15:03 UTC+10 [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Unless Jeremy plans to do the same sorry but no thanks and even then >>>>>> probably not. Other than it being a perhaps more feature rich, and newer >>>>>> platform is there really a burning need to make this switch now? I know >>>>>> its >>>>>> been debated here for a long time and have read the arguments both for >>>>>> and >>>>>> against but this sounds as though it is being forced upon us regardless >>>>>> of >>>>>> Jeremys reluctance to do so for some reason. Maybe google has announced >>>>>> it >>>>>> is killing off groups, Jeremy has decided it is for the best, or >>>>>> something >>>>>> else I am unaware of? (very possible I suffer from brain damage and am >>>>>> no >>>>>> longer really in the know anymore, but do rely on getting these emails >>>>>> to >>>>>> try and stay up on developments with TiddlyWiki and the plugin work >>>>>> being >>>>>> done). I can still use TiddlyWiki to great advantage but no longer have >>>>>> the >>>>>> ability to write plugins or do many things I used to do before. Anything >>>>>> new is pretty much impossible for me to learn. Will discourse offer >>>>>> these >>>>>> email updates like the one I am responding to here and will those of us >>>>>> who >>>>>> choose not to join discourse (my mind is unable to learn new things) be >>>>>> registered to receive those if this is done or will I need to register >>>>>> my >>>>>> email address in their site in order to keep these condensed emails >>>>>> coming >>>>>> to me? I also feel there is a wealth of historical information in this >>>>>> group that would be a shame if not transferred over (perhaps it has?) >>>>>> Anyway, I hope replying to "all" is the proper way to ask. If not I do >>>>>> apologize. Also, I am not being critical of this change just explaining >>>>>> my >>>>>> inability to do this and feel it is pointless unless Jeremy wants to >>>>>> make >>>>>> this change as well. If so I guess this group can still stand as an >>>>>> archive >>>>>> of all the history and work that has been done to get us here and if it >>>>>> offers that condensed email capability then maybe. I DO NOT want an >>>>>> email >>>>>> for every post being made thats is an absolute! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> JW Are you on the specific instance of discourse? >>>>>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 20:55:10 UTC+10 JWHoneycutt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Signed up for Discourse - can't find any hits when searching >>>>>>>> "TiddlyWiki" - did I just lose access to the community? >>>>>>>> JWH >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4 >>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Definitely moving over to the Discourse community. See you all >>>>>>>>> there! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Joshua Fontany >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:42:18 PM UTC-7 Scott Simmons >>>>>>>>> (Secret-HQ) wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've created a profile on Talk.TiddlyWiki.org and am delighted >>>>>>>>>> with the interface there. I'll try to ask questions and create new >>>>>>>>>> threads >>>>>>>>>> there rather than here, though I guess I'll be drawn back to Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>> is that's where the conversation flows. 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