[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.1.0 Actually Garlic Bagels prerelease

[Peter Merel]

My head's been out of TW for several months so all this Bob stuff is new to 
me. Well done Jed and and everyone involved! 

But I have a question about a statement on the Multi-User TW5 plugin github 
site  where you say "*a git plugin is currently being developed*”. I see 
this as critical to multi-use TW on the open web and very keen to hear 
about its status. 

I should explain why.


20 years ago I spent a lot of time on the original c2 wiki. I ran one of 
its sister sites, GreenCheese, edited about 2000 pages of the original 
WardsWiki, and built the first open source clone of it, “CvWiki". So I saw 
most of the heat-death of c2 up close and personal. I was one of the dozen 
folk Ward picked as stewards to try to defend it form the trolls … 
unsuccessfully …


Right now I'm running the “free and open source agile” community at 
http://xscalealliance.org . We have a TW at http://xscale.wiki but most of 
our communications are going via slack. I see slack as very inferior to the 
wiki way and I’m keen to open up xscale.wiki to multiple users. But given 
the broad potential community I think I need git integration to do it.


I had been thinking that we’d just let practitioners use TW's single user 
node.js server to edit, and then submit pull requests in the usual git way. 
I probably don’t need to tell you that’s clunky …


What I’m hoping for is a multi-user mode where users are able to make a 
number of local edits on their local copy of the wiki, then when they press 
"save" we would have a pull-request generated automagically along with a 
little form for them to fill in the purpose of their edits. After that, 
normal github-flow should be sufficient for the community to police its own 
development. 


Though I think we might also want the “Recents” tab to be improved to 
change the river to reflect the recently changed tiddlers. RecentChanges 
was the beating pulse of c2 … to the point that back in the day many of us 
made it our browser’s homepage. We called ourselves "RecentChangesJunkies" 
...


No worries if you meant something completely different by this but I 
thought it might save us a lot of duplicated effort if you’re going down 
this path and I'm enormously impressed with the progress you've made on Bob 
to date!

Cheers,

Pete

On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 03:03:32 UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I ended up doing some things on the back-end of Bob that would break 
> backwards compatibility if anyone modified the server components of Bob. I 
> am not aware of anyone who has but this gets a minor version bump anyway. I 
> never got through testing version 1.0.7 before getting distracted so those 
> changes got rolled into this.
>
> This is a prerelease for now because there have been a lot of changes and 
> while I am not aware of any new bugs from them, there may be some I have 
> missed. As always, back up your wikis!! The easiest way is to just make an 
> archive of your Wikis folder and the IndexWiki.
>
> The big changes from the perspective of using Bob are:
> - you can now build html wikis that take tiddlers from any of the wikis 
> served by Bob instead of just building an html version of an existing wiki.
> - You can select which plugins from the server should be used in the 
> current wiki
> - Custom tiddler paths using $:/config/FileSystemPaths should work now
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
> or if you prefer there  is a link for PayPal here
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
>
> Here is the current changelog for version 1.1.0
>
> !! Version 1.1.0 (ongoing)
>
> - Add `savePluginFolder` web socket message to save packaged plugins as 
> folders on a server. These plugins can then be available to other served 
> wikis and in the plugin library, if it is enabled.
> - Add the `import` browser message handler to make fetching nicer
> - Add options for how to handle conflicts for `internalFetch`
> - `internalFetch` now displays a list of imported tiddlers
> - Added a way to change which plugins a wiki uses from inside the wiki
>- In the Bob Settings tab there is a Manage Plugins tab
> - Added an interface to save plugins to the server and to select which 
> plugins from the server should be used in the current wiki
> - Change the internals to make one $tw.Wiki object for each wiki instead 
> of having them all in $tw.wiki
>- There are lots of internal changes to make this work
>- $tw.boot.files still uses the prefixed name
> - Streamlined and simplified the file system monitor
>- It should now watch new subfolders inside the tiddlers folder
> - Environment variables are now set from the plugin, themes, and languages 
> paths given in the settings.
>- This is 

Re: [tw5] Re: "clientSideInclude is not defined" in iframe - any ideas?

[Peter Merel]

You’re exactly right BurningTreeC - it was a dodgy chrome extension on my end. 
Please disregard this thread.

Peter

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> Hi, I don't get this error on your site - I'm using Chrome.
> 
> BTC
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[tw5] "clientSideInclude is not defined" in iframe - any ideas?

[Peter Merel]

I'm experiencing an error when I embed the current TiddlyWiki in an iframe 
at http://xscalealliance.org/blueprint.html . The error only occurs on 
Chrome. Firefox, Vivaldi and Safari all work fine. It only occurs in the 
iframe. And it only occurs the first time a tiddler link is clicked. After 
that everything works fine. 

Unfortunately the error message is quite large and colourful so I can't 
just ignore it. The Console says:

blueprint.html:8 Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input
blueprint.html:8 Uncaught ReferenceError: clientSideInclude is not defined
at Array.onload (blueprint.html:8)
at vendor.js:26
at Object.keys.t.iterate (vendor.js:26)
at Object.trigger (vendor.js:26)
at window.onload (vendor.js:26)
onload @ blueprint.html:8
(anonymous) @ vendor.js:26
Object.keys.t.iterate @ vendor.js:26
trigger @ vendor.js:26
window.onload @ vendor.js:26
load (async)
initEvents @ vendor.js:26
init @ vendor.js:26
(anonymous) @ vendor.js:26
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Re: [tw5] Stupid question: How can I embed a TW in a static page without getting a scrollbar

[Peter Merel]

Yes, that’s it. Google finds many scripts that autoresize iframes to fit their 
contents, but I haven’t been able to make one of those work for TW … hoping 
someone here has.

Cheers,
Peter

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> Oh, is your goal having the embedded iframe change sizes to accommodate 
> changes to the size of the wiki?
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> Because while that is probably possible it would take a lot more than some 
> simple css.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Stupid question: How can I embed a TW in a static page without getting a scrollbar

[Peter Merel]

Sorry to be ambiguous Jed. What I’m hoping to see is the same layout as on 
http://xscale.wiki, but with the header I’m picking up from the static site per 
http://xscalealliance.org/blueprint.html 
 , and without the iframe scrollbar. 
And ideally with a bit more room for the tiddlymap to expand into as well … but 
that bit’s just a nice to have.


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> You need to describe the behaviour you want then. Because this is acting the 
> way it is expected to act. You may be able to use css to hide the scroll bar 
> but that doesn't sound like what you want.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Stupid question: How can I embed a TW in a static page without getting a scrollbar

[Peter Merel]

Yes, it’s the iframe scrollbar I’d like to get rid of there if you know a way. 
I’ve tried a few scripts that claimed to adjust the sizes to do it but no luck 
so far.

Peter

> On 27 Apr 2018, at 10:42 PM, Jed Carty  wrote:
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> I still don't know which extra scroll bar you mean. There is the scroll bar 
> for the page and the scroll bar because the iframe element is smaller than 
> its content, both are where they are supposed to be. Do you mean one of them?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Stupid question: How can I embed a TW in a static page without getting a scrollbar

[Peter Merel]

Hi Jed,

Thanks for digging in. You’re right - the Javascript error message doesn’t 
occur for me in Firefox or Safari either. I just tried Vivaldi as well and 
couldn’t reproduce it. 

But I get it reliably only in Chrome. Only when I click on a link for the first 
time, and only when the wiki is in the iframe - I don’t get it at 
http://xscale.wiki where the TW is hosted.

I’m running Chrome Version 66.0.3359.139 (Official Build) (64-bit) on OSX 
1-/11/6 on a mid-2012 Macbook Air … 

The extra scrollba occurs on all these browsers so long as we’re in the iframe. 
Again, on xscale.wiki, it doesn’t appear.

Cheers,
Peter 

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> I am not getting any errors on the site on either safari or firefox. I don't 
> know what your desired behaviour is here, it is working the way I would 
> expect.
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Re: [tw5] Stupid question: How can I embed a TW in a static page without getting a scrollbar

[Peter Merel]

No worries Jed, thanks for taking an interest. I’ve got a cut of it up at 
http://xscalealliance.org/blueprint.html 
 . You’ll see two problems there:

1) Extra scrollbar
2) The first time you click on any link in the river, "
Internal JavaScript Error

Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki by 
refreshing your browser
Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of null”


Apart from those things it seems to work okay ...

Both sites are hosted on github-pages and I should mention, in case one of 
these is a cross-site issue, I control both domains and can just add the TW as 
a git submodule if that would help …

Cheers,
Peter 

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> You need to give more context than this. Otherwise the most specific answer 
> possible is 'Probably with css'.
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Re: [tw5] Re: [tw] Annoying "Changes you made may not be saved." popup on leaving without editing

[Peter Merel]

Hi Hans,

Thanks for the kind words. Let me know if you’d like to get involved in it. You 
can check out the video explainers at https://www.youtube.com/c/XSCALEAlliance 
 to get a better idea about the 
principles of the thing. I’m presently updating the main site at 
http://xscalealliance.org .

All the best,
Peter


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> Peter:
> 
> An impressive piece of work, indeed.
> 
> Hopefully I'll find some time this summer to learn more about both your 
> technolony and the subject matter. 
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> Congratulations!
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> Best regards,
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[tw5] Stupid question: How can I embed a TW in a static page without getting a scrollbar

[Peter Merel]

Iframes and objects and embed tags - oh my! And client side includes too 
... but no combination of cute tricks seems to get rid of the extra 
scrollbar I get when I embed the TW in a static page.

I'm sure that I'm overlooking something obvious - how do you do it?

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Annoying "Changes you made may not be saved." popup on leaving without editing

[Peter Merel]

Thanks for the kind words Eneko. I'm just getting around to updating it 
now. 

And many thanks Jeremy for the tip - it works fine!

On Sunday, 24 September 2017 01:08:45 UTC+10, Eneko Gotzon wrote:
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> What a wonderful piece of work Peter… 
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> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Peter Merel <peter...@xscalealliance.org 
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>> Dear tiddlyfolks,
>>
>> I have a public tiddlywiki up at http://xscale.wiki . Public editing is 
>> unimportant because the community coordinates and versions its edits on 
>> github as you'd naturally expect.
>>
>> I know that's not how most people save edits but I confess for the life 
>> of me I don't understand why not. Git integration ought to be a first 
>> priority for tiddlywiki imho 
>>
>> But that's not what this is about. When someone visits the site and then 
>> navigates away they invariably get a popup "Do you want to leave this site? 
>> Changes you made may not be saved." even though they've made no changes.
>>
>> I've had a few complaints about it and don't see a setting to fix it. I 
>> tried to set Autosave to No, and that didn't help. And I tried the 
>> $:/config/SyncFilter 
>> trick Jeremy put up a couple years ago and that had no effect either. Any 
>> ideas?
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>> Thanks in advance!
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[tw] Annoying "Changes you made may not be saved." popup on leaving without editing

[Peter Merel]

Dear tiddlyfolks,

I have a public tiddlywiki up at http://xscale.wiki . Public editing is 
unimportant because the community coordinates and versions its edits on 
github as you'd naturally expect.

I know that's not how most people save edits but I confess for the life of 
me I don't understand why not. Git integration ought to be a first priority 
for tiddlywiki imho 

But that's not what this is about. When someone visits the site and then 
navigates away they invariably get a popup "Do you want to leave this site? 
Changes you made may not be saved." even though they've made no changes.

I've had a few complaints about it and don't see a setting to fix it. I 
tried to set Autosave to No, and that didn't help. And I tried the 
$:/config/SyncFilter 
trick Jeremy put up a couple years ago and that had no effect either. Any 
ideas?

Thanks in advance!

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[tw] Two Tiddler Zoomin?

[Peter Merel]

 

In playing with the different Story View options I'm really drawn to 
Zoomin. Far less clicking on close buttons. But it loses a bit too much of 
the advantage of the story river. It occurs to me that it might make a 
happy medium to keep two tiddlers open - the current one and the last one. 
Navigation would simply automatically close the one-before-the-last-one.


I wonder whether anyone has attempted such a thing?


Cheers,

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[tw] Re: Disabling cache for tiddlyspot

[Peter Merel]

What's the recommended way to do no-cache in TW 5? I'm finding I'm having 
to tell people all about shift-command-R and I'd rather not ...

Cheers,
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On Tuesday, 2 October 2007 03:20:21 UTC+10, Ed wrote:
>
> I have a wiki that is accessed by 5 other people.  I noticed that when
> I accessed it after I knew someone else had made an edit, the page
> showed me an old copy of the site.  I assume this is because the
> browser loaded the cached version instead of the most recent one.
>
> Is there code you can include in the tiddlywiki that disables the
> browser cache for that page, or otherwise forces it to reload and read
> the most recent wiki?
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyMap live view - only show incoming links to the current tiddler?

[Peter Merel]

Hi Felix,

Thanks. xscale.wiki is very much under active development right now - lots more 
to do there. But very happy with the tm and tw tools so far. I'll go check out 
the github tickets and maybe add one or two.

Cheers,
Peter.


On 21 Oct 2015, at 5:40 am, Felix Küppers  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> I'm loving tiddlymap over on http://xscale.wiki but since it's heavily 
> intertwingled I'd like to only show the incoming links to the current tiddler 
> rather than also the outgoing ones.
> 
> Thanks :) This feature doesn't exist yet but there is a ticket for this 
> already: https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TiddlyMap/issues/90
> 
> I'll implement it in one of the next versions. Your xscale wiki got pretty 
> sophisticated. Also good idea, to make use of the single click feature. It's 
> often more intuitive for users to do a single click on nodes. We used 
> TiddlyWiki and TiddlyMap for a university project 
> (http://www.hallo-sme.uni-hamburg.de) and usability tests clearly showed that 
> users do not expect double clicks…
> 
> -Felix
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[tw] TiddlyMap live view - only show incoming links to the current tiddler?

[Peter Merel]

Hi Felix,

I'm loving tiddlymap over on http://xscale.wiki but since it's heavily 
intertwingled I'd like to only show the incoming links to the current tiddler 
rather than also the outgoing ones. I think this will make it easier for users 
to understand context. 

I'm sure there must be a simple edge filter to achieve this but neither 
googling nor searching for filter on tiddlymap.org revealed same. Can you 
please enlighten me?

Thanks!
Peter.

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Re: [tw] TiddlyMap on mobile?

[Peter Merel]

Hi Felix,

Cool, I shall focus on content and keep my powder dry.

Pete.
 
On 2 Sep 2015, at 8:11 am, Felix Küppers <felixkuepp...@hotmail.de> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> I will implement this in v0.9 which will be released soon so if you wait
> a bit, you have to do nothing :)
> 
> -Felix
> 
> On 09/01/2015 11:17 AM, Peter Merel wrote:
>> Hi Felix,
>> 
>> Yes, I think that would be a great quick fix. I also had a play with it on 
>> an old ipad where, while landscape mode looks brilliant, portrait was even 
>> worse - animated wrong and again should be hidden by default.
>> 
>> Since I'm not a CSS dude I wonder if you could paste up a bit of code to 
>> illustrate where such a media query would go?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Peter.
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 Sep 2015, at 6:41 pm, Felix Küppers <felixkuepp...@hotmail.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> much thanks for your feedback!
>>> 
>>> I also do not feel comfortable with the live view on mobile. Generally
>>> speaking, the live view only makes sense when used on a bigger screen
>>> when it is shown aside.
>>> 
>>> What I could probably do is to completely hide the "map" tab when in
>>> mobile using css media queries. Then for mobile to have a map editor,
>>> you could add a tiddler that contains a tiddlymap with the
>>> editor="advanced" attribute set (see tiddlymap.org examples) and simply
>>> open this tiddler when you need it.
>>> 
>>> At the moment, my only advice is, when in mobile, close the map tab and
>>> do not use it. To connect nodes, you can always use the tiddler-toolbar
>>> map button.
>>> 
>>> -Felix
>>> 
>>> On 09/01/2015 07:48 AM, Peter Merel wrote:
>>>> Hi Felix,
>>>> 
>>>> Love TM on the desktop but there's something that looks wrong in the 
>>>> layout on a mobile in portrait mode. 
>>>> 
>>>> With live view and top or pop view it comes up with the sidebar map 
>>>> consuming the whole screen. The default TW5 sidebar per tiddlywiki.com 
>>>> doesn't have this behaviour - it focuses the mobile portrait on the story 
>>>> river.
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder whether there's a configuration parameter that can sort this out 
>>>> somewhere that I'm missing or should I be editing some part of the topview 
>>>> tiddler somehow to re-order things?
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Peter.
>>>> 
>>>> On 10 Aug 2015, at 9:11 pm, Felix Küppers <felixkuepp...@hotmail.de> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> No worries at all. I don't think TM should be confused with powerpoint.
>>>>> ok :)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think there I'm worried about violating the
>>>>>> principle-of-least-surprise - I think overloading the TM button will
>>>>>> make users confused about its purpose.
>>>>> Yes, I agree, it is a real struggle not too overload TiddlyMap ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah, but then I'll have to remember to edit things in multiple spots to
>>>>>> achieve this. If I have no alternative I guess I will, but your
>>>>>> tmap.open-view tiddler field seems a far tidier solution to me.
>>>>> I'll try to come up with a solution when I have the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess the more one relies on users doing CSS tricks the less users
>>>>>> one has.
>>>>> True, but a feature overload is equally bad. Anyways, I'll see what I
>>>>> can do.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But then in general I see the future of TW and TM as a world where
>>>>>> editors run local node servers and share their work via github,
>>>>>> exposing the result via github pages. To me this is such an appealing
>>>>>> way to federate wikis and edits on wikis I wouldn't go near
>>>>>> tiddlyspace/gollum. But then again I'm probably just being kinky ...
>>>>> I am also a fan of hosting and discussing wikis at GitHub and running
>>>>> local node servers. So I strongly agree with you here :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Felix
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Re: [tw] TiddlyMap on mobile?

[Peter Merel]

Hi Felix,

Yes, I think that would be a great quick fix. I also had a play with it on an 
old ipad where, while landscape mode looks brilliant, portrait was even worse - 
animated wrong and again should be hidden by default.

Since I'm not a CSS dude I wonder if you could paste up a bit of code to 
illustrate where such a media query would go?

Cheers,
Peter.


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> Hi Peter,
> 
> much thanks for your feedback!
> 
> I also do not feel comfortable with the live view on mobile. Generally
> speaking, the live view only makes sense when used on a bigger screen
> when it is shown aside.
> 
> What I could probably do is to completely hide the "map" tab when in
> mobile using css media queries. Then for mobile to have a map editor,
> you could add a tiddler that contains a tiddlymap with the
> editor="advanced" attribute set (see tiddlymap.org examples) and simply
> open this tiddler when you need it.
> 
> At the moment, my only advice is, when in mobile, close the map tab and
> do not use it. To connect nodes, you can always use the tiddler-toolbar
> map button.
> 
> -Felix
> 
> On 09/01/2015 07:48 AM, Peter Merel wrote:
>> Hi Felix,
>> 
>> Love TM on the desktop but there's something that looks wrong in the layout 
>> on a mobile in portrait mode. 
>> 
>> With live view and top or pop view it comes up with the sidebar map 
>> consuming the whole screen. The default TW5 sidebar per tiddlywiki.com 
>> doesn't have this behaviour - it focuses the mobile portrait on the story 
>> river.
>> 
>> I wonder whether there's a configuration parameter that can sort this out 
>> somewhere that I'm missing or should I be editing some part of the topview 
>> tiddler somehow to re-order things?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Peter.
>> 
>> On 10 Aug 2015, at 9:11 pm, Felix Küppers <felixkuepp...@hotmail.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>>> No worries at all. I don't think TM should be confused with powerpoint.
>>> ok :)
>>> 
>>>> I think there I'm worried about violating the
>>>> principle-of-least-surprise - I think overloading the TM button will
>>>> make users confused about its purpose.
>>> Yes, I agree, it is a real struggle not too overload TiddlyMap ;)
>>> 
>>>> Ah, but then I'll have to remember to edit things in multiple spots to
>>>> achieve this. If I have no alternative I guess I will, but your
>>>> tmap.open-view tiddler field seems a far tidier solution to me.
>>> I'll try to come up with a solution when I have the time.
>>> 
>>>> I guess the more one relies on users doing CSS tricks the less users
>>>> one has.
>>> True, but a feature overload is equally bad. Anyways, I'll see what I
>>> can do.
>>> 
>>>> But then in general I see the future of TW and TM as a world where
>>>> editors run local node servers and share their work via github,
>>>> exposing the result via github pages. To me this is such an appealing
>>>> way to federate wikis and edits on wikis I wouldn't go near
>>>> tiddlyspace/gollum. But then again I'm probably just being kinky ...
>>> I am also a fan of hosting and discussing wikis at GitHub and running
>>> local node servers. So I strongly agree with you here :)
>>> 
>>> -Felix
>>> 
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[tw] TiddlyMap on mobile?

[Peter Merel]

Hi Felix,

Love TM on the desktop but there's something that looks wrong in the layout on 
a mobile in portrait mode. 

With live view and top or pop view it comes up with the sidebar map consuming 
the whole screen. The default TW5 sidebar per tiddlywiki.com doesn't have this 
behaviour - it focuses the mobile portrait on the story river.

I wonder whether there's a configuration parameter that can sort this out 
somewhere that I'm missing or should I be editing some part of the topview 
tiddler somehow to re-order things?

Kind regards,
Peter.

On 10 Aug 2015, at 9:11 pm, Felix Küppers  wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
>> No worries at all. I don't think TM should be confused with powerpoint.
> 
> ok :)
> 
>> I think there I'm worried about violating the
>> principle-of-least-surprise - I think overloading the TM button will
>> make users confused about its purpose.
> 
> Yes, I agree, it is a real struggle not too overload TiddlyMap ;)
> 
>> Ah, but then I'll have to remember to edit things in multiple spots to
>> achieve this. If I have no alternative I guess I will, but your
>> tmap.open-view tiddler field seems a far tidier solution to me.
> 
> I'll try to come up with a solution when I have the time.
> 
>> I guess the more one relies on users doing CSS tricks the less users
>> one has.
> 
> True, but a feature overload is equally bad. Anyways, I'll see what I
> can do.
> 
>> But then in general I see the future of TW and TM as a world where
>> editors run local node servers and share their work via github,
>> exposing the result via github pages. To me this is such an appealing
>> way to federate wikis and edits on wikis I wouldn't go near
>> tiddlyspace/gollum. But then again I'm probably just being kinky ...
> 
> I am also a fan of hosting and discussing wikis at GitHub and running
> local node servers. So I strongly agree with you here :)
> 
> -Felix
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[tw] image pre-loading

[Peter Merel]

Dear tiddleymeisters,

I've seen lots of JS ways to pre-load images. I really only have 3 sizable 
ones to worry about, but I do worry about them. I'm wondering whether 
there's a good Tiddly idiom (tiddliom?) for pre-loading, and maybe some 
magic system tiddler where it would be best to do that. I'm thinking it 
should happen after the default tiddlers have rendered to avoid making the 
user wait for it ... ?

Thinking this must be a commonplace challenge I did google for it but only 
found a TWC discussion that talked about MarkupPreHead which doesn't seem 
to exist any more ... or I'm not finding it ...

Thanks in advance!

Pete.

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Re: [tw] image pre-loading

[Peter Merel]

Hi Mario,

That would make sense except http://xscale.wiki my use case is external facing 
so I use external images to avoid slow load times. Hence the need to figure out 
where to preload since these images aren't part of the TW.

Cheers,
Pete.

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 Hi Peter, 
 
 There is no need to preload images. If you embed them they are already 
 loaded, if the TW is shown. So the display of images will be immediate, since 
 they are part of the TW.
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Re: [tw] Add backlinks to every tiddler

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Hi Mario,

I looked into the SVG linking but I think I'm going with imagemaps. Tobias Beer 
has a nice description on same at 
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Interactive%20SVG%20Image%20Map .

Reason has nothing to do with SVG per se, but I can't find a way to turn my png 
or pptx into an svg that doesn't generate a huge file. Probably all those 
gradients I use. Anyway, no problemo.

Cheers,
Pete.

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 Hi Mario,
 
 Yes, SVG linking sounds like the way. Thanks for the example! It looks like I 
 can edit the links in using inkscape. 
 
 When you start tiddling there's no end of twiddling. Maybe that should be on 
 a t-shirt ...
 
 Cheers,
 Pete
 
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 IMO if you create this image as an SVG, it would be easy to make it 
 interactive. 
 See: http://tiddlywiki.com/#UsingSVG for some very simple examples. 
 
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Re: [tw] Add backlinks to every tiddler

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Hi Mario,

Yes, SVG linking sounds like the way. Thanks for the example! It looks like I 
can edit the links in using inkscape. 

When you start tiddling there's no end of twiddling. Maybe that should be on a 
t-shirt ...

Cheers,
Pete

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 See: http://tiddlywiki.com/#UsingSVG for some very simple examples. 
 
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Re: [tw] Add backlinks to every tiddler

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Done ... but I still want to find a way to get the titles to open same. It's 
far from the top of my list but it just sounds like it ought to be simple and 
configurable like most other tiddly things ... I shall cool my jets until I 
have enough expertise to have a go at it.

Cheers,
Pete.

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 On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 11:07:43 PM UTC+2, Peter Merel wrote:
 I was aware of that one. It's part of the way there. I hate to seem 
 persnickety, but I think with the extra click and having to figure out that 
 References means backlinks ... it's not quite there.
 
 Changing this text is simple. Just edit this system tiddler: 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Flanguage%2FTiddlerInfo%2FReferences%2FCaption 
 to Backlinks. 
 
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[tw] Re: Add backlinks to every tiddler

[Peter Merel]

Hi Mario,

I like this but I'm thinking of something a bit simpler. Right now when I 
turn on the title as a link it's pretty worthless - the only effect of 
clicking is to nudge the focus in the story stream. What I want is for 
clicking the title link to open the References tab. I see the title as the 
obvious place to click to get backlinks - that's how it used to work on c2 
anyway.

So ... is there an easy way to tweak your code here to do this? Really it 
seems like it ought to be easy to adorn the link in the title ViewTemplate 
with some kind of transclusion magic but I'm not certain that's sensible ...

Thanks for your help!

Pete.

On Monday, 27 October 2014 02:45:23 UTC+11, PMario wrote:

 Hi Omit,

 If you open the tiddler (i)nfo slider and select the References tab you 
 get what you want.

 The code can be found here: 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FTiddlerInfo%2FReferences
 The template is here: $:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate

 If you want to create your own *global macro *crate a tiddler eg: 
 myReferences 
 and tagg it: $:/tags/Macro
 add this code: 

 \define myReferences()
 $list filter=[all[current]backlinks[]sort[title]] emptyMessage=lingo 
 TiddlerInfo/References/Empty $link to={{!!title}}$view 
 field=title/, /$link/$list
 \end

 The macro can be called with: myReferences

 - 

 If you want to have a footer in every tiddler create a tiddler eg: myFooter 
 and tag it: $:/tags/ViewTemplate
 add this code:

 hr
 $list filter=[all[current]backlinks[]sort[title]] emptyMessage=lingo 
 TiddlerInfo/References/Empty $link to={{!!title}}$view 
 field=title/, /$link/$list

 For me this significantly slows down the test TW. Full download from 
 tiddlywiki.com. .. But I'm not sure yet. 

 have fun!
 mario


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Heard it on the hangout: How to list referencing tiddlers

[Peter Merel]

I like this but would prefer a way to just get the Title link to open the 
info/References pane. That would look a lot better ... ?

Cheers,
Pete. 

On Friday, 20 December 2013 22:35:58 UTC+11, Chris wrote:

 All,

 I was delighted by a question/answer exchange between Jim Weaver and 
 Jeremy on Hangout #25: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGV5F2Gj_mE

 Jim's questions concerned the desire to list tiddlers which link to the 
 current tiddler. Of course one can always get that information from the 
 References tab of the info section of a tiddler display, but Jim wanted 
 the list of referencing tiddlers listed explicitly for his specific use of 
 TiddlyWiki. 

 The answer from Jeremy was simple but also quite instructive:

 1. Create a tiddler containing the following list macro text:

 $list filter=[is[current]backlinks[]sort[title]] emptyMessage=No 
 tiddlers link to this one template=$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate/$list

 2. Tag the tiddler with the tag: $:/tags/ViewTemplate

 3. Give the tiddler a name, any name, maybe something like References or 
 BackLinks.

 By tagging with $:/tags/ViewTemplate this tiddler gets transcluded onto 
 the end of every tiddler which you view. 

 The text of the tiddler is a straight copy-paste of the macro call used in 
 the standard References tab, which lists all backlinks from the current 
 tiddler.

 As pointed out on the hangout, you can always add some nice formatting 
 around the $list... macro to create something even nicer.

 Cheers ~ Chris.


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Re: [tw] Re: Add backlinks to every tiddler

[Peter Merel]

Hi Felix,

I've been meaning to compliment you on TiddlyMap - it is pure awesomeness! I'm 
using the live view on the site I'm building at xscale.wiki and expect to do a 
lot of process diagramming with it in tiddlers. Given that most of the XSCALE 
process involves composites of feedback loops, I can't think of a better tool 
for such a purpose.

Now while I like the idea that TM can display the backlinks, that would require 
the user to shift their gaze from the story stream to the map. And since I'm 
using the map for process context, I think the reader would be confused that 
way.

I should have said that the existing title-as-link is just worthless to me - I 
have no doubt whatsoever that every feature in TW has utility, but I'm just 
trying to bend the thing to my will. And I don't have much literacy in JS or 
TW5 so in general I'm only an egg.

While I have your attention, however, I have a couple of TM questions ... 

* I wonder whether it's possible for a tiddler that has an embedded map to 
display it in the sidebar rather than inline? In other words, for focusing on a 
tiddler to cause the sidebar to change to its embedded view? 
* Could we have a setting for the half-screen mode that hides the editing 
tools? I'm asking because the way I'm setting up at the moment only people who 
use github will be able to save, where the majority of users will only be 
navigating around on the public site - ?

Cheers!
Pete.
 
On 9 Aug 2015, at 6:47 pm, Felix Küppers felixkuepp...@hotmail.de wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 If you use TiddlyMap it can display you the backlinks in the graph (live 
 view).
 
 Moreover, clicking on the TiddlyMap toolbar button, it also at the moment 
 shows you all kind of backconnections (e.g. tagged by, listed in,...) but I 
 did not include backlinks. For the next version of tiddlymap (not sure when 
 it is released), the toolbar button will also show links and backlinks (see 
 screenshot).
 
 Right now when I turn on the title as a link it's pretty worthless
 
 Well I also use this feature a lot to drag n drop titles into other tiddlers 
 when not being in the sidebar's open tab..
 
 -Felix
 
 
 
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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to use images with node.js ?

[Peter Merel]

I just hit this issue this evening and I have a better solution I'll be 
implementing for myself in the morning.

Basically, I run the node server on my local box to be able to edit my 
tiddlers just as you'd expect. But I back the entire shebang with git and 
serve it up publicly via github pages. I have to save the wiki by hand and 
copy into an index.html in my github pages repo, but I'll eventually 
automate that and right now it's not very onerous.

And ... then I can just commit my images folder as a peer of my index.html 
tiddlywiki and let github pages serve the images. So long as I use absolute 
paths in my cannonical_uris to point back to my github pages domain they'll 
turn up even on my local node server so long as I remember to push them to 
github before I try to use them ...

Er, perhaps needless to say, a lot of people who'd want to use the node 
server wouldn't be going to this much trouble. Verily some automation 
around the github tiddly workflow will come in very handy!

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Re: [tw] Re: Add backlinks to every tiddler

[Peter Merel]

Hi Felix,

Thanks for the prompt response! Replies inline.

 
 Thanks for sharing your use case. It is always valuable for me to get some 
 feedback on how TiddlyMap is used. Personally, I am acquainted with Scrum and 
 Kanban (1st generation) but never came into touch with other agile 
 strategies. In case of drawing process diagramss, the next release of 
 TiddlyMap will feature the design of nodes, and add a GUI for styling edges 
 and nodes. But this release is not done yet as I have to carefully plan the 
 architecture, especially considering the usability.

No worries at all. I don't think TM should be confused with powerpoint. To give 
an example of what I don't imagine TM doing, here's my curliest big-picture 
diagram. I expect this kind of thing to remain in the realm of externalimages. 
When time permits I'm thinking it should become an imagemap that links to the 
appropriate tiddlers. Each of them would have a TM that illustrates its 
process. I haven't yet figured out the intricacies of imagemaps but I know gimp 
can generate 'em.






 
 Now while I like the idea that TM can display the backlinks, that would 
 require the user to shift their gaze from the story stream to the map.
  
 Well, actually no :) The dropdown button, (see attached screenshot in the 
 last post) is in the tiddler's toolbar in the story river (stream) and is 
 independent of the maps. So the user does not have to leave the stream/river.

Ah, my fault for not looking at it properly. I think there I'm worried about 
violating the principle-of-least-surprise - I think overloading the TM button 
will make users confused about its purpose. Also for me in xscale.wiki, because 
it's for a broad audience who mostly won't have skill/interest to set up the 
node server and grok github as a collaborative editing method, I don't think 
I'd expose the per-tiddler TM button anyway. Exposing the info pane set to 
References would also enable them to get at the other info-pane functionality 
which is presently a bit inobvious. Speaking purely for my own use-case.

 Hmm, so you are talking about a higher form of live view here right? Not 
 sure if I understand this correctly but you want
 a tab in the sidebar (or maybe the map tab) that,
 when a tiddler is 
 opened
 or scrolled into view,
 displays a certain view (map) that was manually created in advance?
 Well, I could add a tiddler field
 
 tmap.open-view
 that can be set to a view title so when the tiddler is opened or navigated 
 to, the map is opened...

Yes, that's it exactly. That way the live-view becomes the default place for 
people to see concepts illustrated, rather than trying to figure out why 
they're being asked to see the live view on the right and the embedded view on 
the left. The perception of complexity tends to turn people off. See my big 
picture above for an example of that!
 ...but you can also achieve this very easily with existing means, here you go:
 
 Create a new tiddler and tag it with $:/tags/SideBar so it appears in the 
 sidebar.
 Create a list that iterates over all views
 Put every map you want to link to inside a list widget and use a list filter 
 that checks for the focussed tiddler (HotZone Plugin) and the last tiddler in 
 the history (field in $:/HistoryList); use the $:/temp/tmap/currentTiddler 
 for that
 if a view exists with the name of your tiddler that is currently displayed, 
 display that view, otherwise, display a text.
 I think I should add this code to a Useful TiddlyMap code snippets section 
 in the docs...
 
Ah, but then I'll have to remember to edit things in multiple spots to achieve 
this. If I have no alternative I guess I will, but your tmap.open-view tiddler 
field seems a far tidier solution to me.

 
 * Could we have a setting for the half-screen mode that hides the editing 
 tools? I'm asking because the way I'm setting up at the moment only people 
 who use github will be able to save, where the majority of users will only 
 be navigating around on the public site - ?
 You could use css to hide the editing tools by using display: none e.g on 
 .tmap-menu-bar and vis-manipulation.
 But I should add an option to have tiddlymap displayed in no edit mode 
 where a user can still select views. I will put that on my list.

I could do the css ... if my css-fu and tw-fu was a bit stronger. As getting my 
head around it takes me away from editing content, which is my focus at the 
moment, I'll probably limp along and wait for you. In general while I'm 
technically minded and will eventually come up to speed, I guess the more one 
relies on users doing CSS tricks the less users one has. 

But then in general I see the future of TW and TM as a world where editors run 
local node servers and share their work via github, exposing the result via 
github pages. To me this is such an appealing way to federate wikis and edits 
on wikis I wouldn't go near tiddlyspace/gollum. But then again I'm probably 
just being kinky ...

Cheers!

Re: [tw] Re: Add backlinks to every tiddler

[Peter Merel]

Hi Mario,

On 10 Aug 2015, at 3:58 am, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC+2, Peter Merel wrote:
 I like this but I'm thinking of something a bit simpler. Right now when I 
 turn on the title as a link it's pretty worthless - the only effect of 
 clicking is to nudge the focus in the story stream.
 
 pretty worthless ... ouch, that hurts. We all want to create great stuff. I 
 personally prefer a more diplomatic: I like the feature, but there's room 
 for improvements ... to fit my usecase, or something similar ;)

I absolutely agree with you, many regrets for my clumsy wording. As Felix 
noted, this feature has great utility for his use. I'm really just seeking to 
extend it.

  
 What I want is for clicking the title link to open the References tab. I see 
 the title as the obvious place to click to get backlinks - that's how it used 
 to work on c2 anyway.
 
  - check: info – Show information for this tiddlerto make the info panel 
 button visible for every tiddler
  - tell your users, that the can get the backlinks if they select the 
 info-button and the Reference tab. 

I was aware of that one. It's part of the way there. I hate to seem 
persnickety, but I think with the extra click and having to figure out that 
References means backlinks ... it's not quite there.

 IMO no 3 should be relatively simple to implement and shouldn't interfere 
 with the templates. 
 
 No 2 is the version I personally prefer, since I try to remove all dropdowns 
 and modals from my own themes.

Bonus points if it can be activated by clicking the tiddler title rather than 
having to have another button ...

 have fun!
 mario

You too!
Pete.

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