[tw] Re: New TW user perspective

[Mark Kerrigan]

   
   - However, my main objective is to document my life in a form that is as 
   technology platform independent as possible, as close to just plain text 
   files as possible, so that I don't rely on TW still being around 30 years 
   from now, or rely on remembering how to use/maintain the infrastructure I 
   created. So while macros, variables, plugins, etc. are all very interesting 
   and powerful, I want to limit these as much as possible, and just use the 
   built in markup language (WikiText) and the regular tagging/linking system.

As PMario has already mentioned, a TiddlyWiki is just a HTML file. The main 
challenge in "future-proofing" TiddlyWiki is how / if you choose to go 
about embedding external content. 

You also mention concern about figuring out an organization system. The 
main benefit to TiddlyWiki is you don't need to always know how the 
information really needs to be organized from the beginning, you can just 
start writing tiddlers without necessarily linking to them. So eventually 
you will come up with a system that works for you.


On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 10:47:37 AM UTC-7, TiddlyNoob wrote:
>
> EDIT: To clarify on what I mean by having different contexts inside TW, 
> what I'm imagining is, for example, having a single HTML file that has 
> multiple logical TW's, which the ability to link to tiddlers/tags between 
> the different logical TW's using some sort of namespacing convention like 
> "Name of TW"/TiddlerTitle. It's sort of like having different bounded 
> contexts in DDD software development.
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm a software developer and just started using TiddlyWiki a few days ago, 
> and I would just like to share my perspective on it so far.
>
> TW is fantastic, and I didn't even know something like this existed. I've 
> had this almost subconscious feeling for years now that I needed to have 
> some kind of easy workflow for documentation, not only for work, but for my 
> life in general. I have been looking for a mixture between wiki, blog, and 
> journal solutions using markup syntax like markdown, but completely 
> private, version controlled, and stored in text files.
>
> Even after only a few days I'm fully convinced TW is the answer I've been 
> looking for. Right now I'm running it on nodejs using TW folders, not 
> single file, and using a git repo for syncing/backing up/version control.
>
> With that said, here are some of my concerns or just some of my particular 
> needs/assumptions:
>
>- TW is extremely powerful and flexible, and the software dev side of 
>me wants to over engineer it. However, my main objective is to document my 
>life in a form that is as technology platform independent as possible, as 
>close to just plain text files as possible, so that I don't rely on TW 
>still being around 30 years from now, or rely on remembering how to 
>use/maintain the infrastructure I created. So while macros, variables, 
>plugins, etc. are all very interesting and powerful, I want to limit these 
>as much as possible, and just use the built in markup language (WikiText) 
>and the regular tagging/linking system.
>- The tagging system is great, but the fact that titles of tiddlers 
>are unique identifiers is taking a while for me to get used to. I'm 
> anxious 
>every time I create a new tiddler because I feel like I need to put a lot 
>of thought in to the title, knowing that it has to be unique, but also 
>easily referenced via a link or tag. 
>- Part of my anxiety from above has to do with trying to fit 
>everything in my life (wiki, journal, to-do lists, etc) in one TW, and 
> thus 
>the titles take on even more importance because as I add things for the 
>next 20 years, it still needs to be organized, and every title needs to be 
>unique. I could use multiple TW's, however then I lose the ability to link 
>between concepts across multiple TW's, and trying to update TW and keeping 
>a consistent set of plugins, macros, etc across multiple TW's would be a 
>nightmare. Not to mention, I would need to spin up multiple TW's at once 
> if 
>I wanted a full picture of my life, which would be disconnected since it's 
>spread across multiple TW's.
>- So really my concerns have nothing to do with TW itself, but just 
>how to best organize everything in my life into tags and titles, coming up 
>with naming conventions and structure.
>
> I guess what would be nice is if there was a way to have everything in one 
> TW, but namespaced or some other ability to have multiple contexts, so that 
> you could have simple titles like "TODO List" but it would be context aware 
> such that it could be under a specific project and I wouldn't have to worry 
> about conflicts with other tiddlers named "TODO List". This way, I would 
> still only have to worry about maintaining and updating plugins, macros, 
> etc for one TW, and I could link between 

[tw] Re: New TW user perspective

[Mat]

Warm welcome TiddlyNoob!

TW is fantastic, and I didn't even know something like this existed. 
>

Please tell your friends! (examples 
). And, yeah, it IS amazing!!!


>- [...]as close to just plain text files as possible, so that I don't 
>rely on TW still being around 30 years from now, or rely on remembering 
> how 
>to use/maintain the infrastructure I created. So while macros, variables, 
>plugins, etc. are all very interesting and powerful, I want to limit these 
>as much as possible, and just use the built in markup language (WikiText) 
>and the regular tagging/linking system.
>
> Interesting point. It makes sense that you're using the nodejs version. 
You, as a developer, could possibly build a radically simplified 
alternative engine for the tiddlers that hold your personal content. So 
that only bare bone text is presented. Very interesting idea.
 

>
>- The tagging system is great, but the fact that titles of tiddlers 
>are unique identifiers is taking a while for me to get used to. I'm 
> anxious 
>every time I create a new tiddler because I feel like I need to put a lot 
>of thought in to the title, knowing that it has to be unique, but also 
>easily referenced via a link or tag. 
>
> Currently, yes. If we get tags and hard links to update on title changes, 
under some certain forms, then this should be solved IMO.
 

>
>- Part of my anxiety from above has to do with trying to fit 
>everything in my life (wiki, journal, to-do lists, etc) in one TW, and 
> thus 
>the titles take on even more importance because as I add things for the 
>next 20 years, it still needs to be organized, and every title needs to be 
>unique. I could use multiple TW's, however then I lose the ability to link 
>between concepts across multiple TW's, and trying to update TW and keeping 
>a consistent set of plugins, macros, etc across multiple TW's would be a 
>nightmare. Not to mention, I would need to spin up multiple TW's at once 
> if 
>I wanted a full picture of my life, which would be disconnected since it's 
>spread across multiple TW's.
>
> I thought the nodejs version allows a tiddler to be part of any TW? I only 
use vanilla TW so I don't know, but I thought that was one of the main 
selling points.

  

> I guess what would be nice is if there was a way to have everything in one 
> TW, but namespaced 
>

You may wish to check out this bit 
by TWizard Tobias Beer. His stuff 
is truly top notch and he has been an incredible force majeure in the 
community. (Unfortunately have not seen him lately.) The link is to his 
main site so much more stuff there than namespace bit.
 
Again, please do tell your friends or colleagues about TW. Everyone is 
valuable for the TW project.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: New TW user perspective

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

>
> The tagging system is great, but the fact that titles of tiddlers are 
> unique identifiers is taking a while for me to get used to. I'm anxious 
> every time I create a new tiddler because I feel like I need to put a lot 
> of thought in to the title, knowing that it has to be unique, but also 
> easily referenced via a link or tag. 

 
Yes. I've mentioned this many times. One of the prime tenets of database 
theory is that you don't make double-use of a field, especially not a field 
that needs to be immutable. To do so invites trouble eventually.

The workaround is to give a unique (perhaps datestamped) name to each 
tiddler with a general idea of what it does, and then use the caption field 
as the view title. Some of the macros (toc, tabs) in TW already  make use 
of the caption field instead of the title field, so that gives you a head 
start.

Mark

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