[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Update 

The installation procedure has been much simplified to now serve *one 
complete graph per plugin*. See image. 

...actually, the blue pills are not plugins but instead "draggable lists" 
kind of like tagpills. (Thanks Stef 
!)

While Graphs is still in beta, I did some cleaning in the process so 
earlier versions may not be fully compatible. To clean out earlier 
versions, use some batch deletion to delete everything tagged "graphs".

<:-)


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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

That, pretty much, takes care of my issue. Now I'm off and running toward 
looking at it.

Not to be real picky about this... but I noticed that on the install sheet 
you added likert but lost line. And for what it is worth, x-axis and y-axis 
are also required to get the Demo-Line to work properly. You might consider 
adding the x-axis and y-axis items to the Line tag as well.

Stephen

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Update 


   - Likert scales 
   - Added a missing tag that caused the problems identified by Stephen 
   (Thank you Stephen!!!)
   - Updated to latest rpn, i.e the "basic math calculations" macro by 
   Thomas Elmiger (Big thanks Thomas!!!)
   - Pies  can now handle >50%. 
   Thanks (again) go to Thomas even if I ended up using another, more 
   contextual, method to achieve it.
   (Unfortunately, my >50% solution sacrificed the pretty box-shading that 
   gave the pie a 3d look. Not crucial, but still. I'll probably make future 
   attempts to get it back but it is not prioritized.)

Do keep ideas / opinions on Graphs coming.

Note that "graphs" is not limited to show... well, graphs; The "engine" 
just visually presents numerical (or other) data from a list of tiddlers, 
where the data set can be treated as a whole or at the individual level. If 
you have any "related" tiddlers, graphs might be of use to *present* them. 
For example, I'd think(!) one could use it to illustrate

   - Board games, such as chess
   - Perhaps make exploded views of things, where each thing is a tiddler
   - ...more ideas?


<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Stephen, I'll investigate this tomorrow.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

Probably I am just exceptionally dense, but I'm having problems with this.

I imported everything listed on the install tiddler, and for good measure 
everything tagged demo, demoData, sample and sample2. Demp Pie gives me two 
large colored circles. Demo Line gives me graph axis but no graph. Demo 
Mapper gives me the text but no graphs. etc. etc. etc. It looks to me as 
though there is some critical tiddlers that weren't included in the ones 
mentioned on the install tiddler, but I can't figure out which ones they 
are.

So... What am I missing here?

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[codacodercodacoder]

I forgot about this little gem!  Especially HashStr -- excellent solution 
to the problem of having to supply/think of IDs per use.  I'm using HashStr 
already :)

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 8:05:03 AM UTC-5, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Mat
>
> Great to hear that my rpn plugin is of use to others!
>
> Your remaining problem with chart slices >50% reminds me of a similar 
> problem you had with CircleBar … please feel free to steal back from my 
> variant on https://tid.li/tw5/styles.html in case you want to integrate 
> something similar in Graphs!
>
> Happy graphing,
> Thomas
>
> Am Dienstag, 8. August 2017 23:31:51 UTC+2 schrieb Mat:
>>
>> Update (still beta)
>>
>> Main change is not noticeable but the previous calculation plugin has 
>> been exchanged for fellow @Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin! (Thank you Thomas!) 
>> It simplified the code in a few places thanks to the "built in" 
>> wikification of the result and I'm doing some experiments with its 
>> randomization feature.
>>
>> Hopefully fellow Danielo will also be happy with the Pie demo now. The 
>> special slice serving should hopefully show up better on small screens.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for the kind words.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
>
> Your remaining problem with chart slices >50% reminds me of a similar 
> problem you had with CircleBar … please feel free to steal back from my 
> variant on https://tid.li/tw5/styles.html in case you want to integrate 
> something similar in Graphs!
>

I had totally forgotten about that. Thanks! I'll see what I can do. 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Mat

Great to hear that my rpn plugin is of use to others!

Your remaining problem with chart slices >50% reminds me of a similar 
problem you had with CircleBar … please feel free to steal back from my 
variant on https://tid.li/tw5/styles.html in case you want to integrate 
something similar in Graphs!

Happy graphing,
Thomas

Am Dienstag, 8. August 2017 23:31:51 UTC+2 schrieb Mat:
>
> Update (still beta)
>
> Main change is not noticeable but the previous calculation plugin has been 
> exchanged for fellow @Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin! (Thank you Thomas!) It 
> simplified the code in a few places thanks to the "built in" wikification 
> of the result and I'm doing some experiments with its randomization feature.
>
> Hopefully fellow Danielo will also be happy with the Pie demo now. The 
> special slice serving should hopefully show up better on small screens.
>
> Thanks to everyone for the kind words.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Update (still beta)

Main change is not noticeable but the previous calculation plugin has been 
exchanged for fellow @Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin! (Thank you Thomas!) It 
simplified the code in a few places thanks to the "built in" wikification 
of the result and I'm doing some experiments with its randomization feature.

Hopefully fellow Danielo will also be happy with the Pie demo now. The 
special slice serving should hopefully show up better on small screens.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Can you see my screenshot?
>
> Now that I checked the example on landscape mode I saw the "for you" 
> message, so that "error" may be intentional ?
>

Ah, yes, that is in deed intentional - and it is especially made just for 
the demo. Bad idea of mine to demo it with something that can appear like 
an error. I do want to show that it's possible to single out slices but 
"serving" it above or below doesn't feel aesthetically right, so I'll do 
some thinking.

Thanks for pointing it out.

<:-)


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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Can you see my screenshot?

Now that I checked the example on landscape mode I saw the "for you" message, 
so that "error" may be intentional ?

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Danielo Rodríguez]

This is what I see on my phone:







El martes, 25 de julio de 2017, 15:26:25 (UTC+2), Mat escribió:
>
>
> Directly from the guys at TWaddler Neuro Blast Enterprises...
>
> extremely proudly to presenting...
>
>
> Graphs 
>
> [beta]
>
> I'll be abroad for a few days now so will probably not be
>  able to communicate much, but please do come with input.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Alex Hough]

Matt,

you've been busy!
 Wow!

Alex

On 5 August 2017 at 00:01, @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> Mat wrote:
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> As far as I see it reads data from TiddlerS. I think there are lot of
>>> occasions where reading data from ONE Data Dictionary would be Just As Good.
>>>
>>
>> Hm, interesting - I misunderstood you at first: I think it should be
>> possible to use one dictionary (or rather, its entries) as input for the
>> graph, instead of tiddlers. That's a very good idea.
>>
>> ...but you seem to want something else: Using one single *text* as input
>> and somehow count occurrences of predefined strings, right?
>>
>
> *NO.** I'd have the dictionary done already. *Not your issue. It would be
> this ...
>
> Label: count
>
> The basic structure of Data Dictionaries is that.
>
> It would need be ALREADY ready. Data dictionaries could be anything. The
> one thing they are NOT, usually, is dynamic data.
>
> Josiah, x
>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mat wrote:
>
> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> As far as I see it reads data from TiddlerS. I think there are lot of 
>> occasions where reading data from ONE Data Dictionary would be Just As Good.
>>
>
> Hm, interesting - I misunderstood you at first: I think it should be 
> possible to use one dictionary (or rather, its entries) as input for the 
> graph, instead of tiddlers. That's a very good idea.
>
> ...but you seem to want something else: Using one single *text* as input 
> and somehow count occurrences of predefined strings, right? 
>

*NO.** I'd have the dictionary done already. *Not your issue. It would be 
this ...

Label: count

The basic structure of Data Dictionaries is that. 

It would need be ALREADY ready. Data dictionaries could be anything. The 
one thing they are NOT, usually, is dynamic data.

Josiah, x
 

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> As far as I see it reads data from TiddlerS. I think there are lot of 
> occasions where reading data from ONE Data Dictionary would be Just As Good.
>

Hm, interesting - I misunderstood you at first: I think it should be 
possible to use one dictionary (or rather, its entries) as input for the 
graph, instead of tiddlers. That's a very good idea.

...but you seem to want something else: Using one single *text* as input 
and somehow count occurrences of predefined strings, right? The graph macro 
is rather kind of the step after; you give it the value you want to 
visualize. How to *get* the number to begin with is a totally different 
matter.

That said, someone made a word count widget (Thomas?). I would think it 
should be tweakable to count specific strings rather than (I assume) space 
characters. You could then use a regular list widget and with your funny 
names as the filter argument and apply the count widget/macro on one name 
at a time to get the desired list.


Or even make Word Clouds of them?
>

(What the heck!? ;-)  Word clouds is exactly the thing I had in mind when I 
tried to be mysteriously cryptic in what I would to with the randomization 
feature in Thomas' rpn macro. I have actually already experimented with 
this a bit, for the Graphs macro, and I'm pretty close to a cool solution 
but need a better randomizer than what I currently have 

. 


<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[@TiddlyTweeter]

As far as I see it reads data from TiddlerS. I think there are lot of 
occasions where reading data from ONE Data Dictionary would be Just As Good.

Take the case of doing a search of the novel Great Expectations for the 
word occurrence of Biddy, Pip, Miss Havisham, Estella, Wemmick, Jaggers, 
Joe, Herbert & Orlick. you won't find those counts in any tiddler. Rather, 
they pertain to thousands of paragraphs.

The case would be this kind of outcome in a Data Dictionary:

   Wemmick: 107
   Pip: 302
   Estella: 135
   Orlick: 28
   Herbert: 98
   Jaggers: 72
   Joe: 123
   Miss Havisham: 102
   Biddy: 57

Can your gizmo sail with this easy kind of data counts? Or even make Word 
Clouds of them?

Best wishes,
Josiah

 Mat wrote:
>
>
> Input is more than welcome.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Updates made. (still beta)

Several (probably not noticeable) tweaks have been. The only major feature 
change is:

Three "special fields " 
have been introduced, to easily (1)indent the graph, (2)add a header or 
(3)a footer. These are probably such common use cases that I wanted to 
enable them without CSS knowledge.

@Pit.W - The Gantt macro is approaching readiness - but not quite there 
yet. 

@Thomas E - I intend to experiment replacing the current calc macro with 
your rpn solution, hoping for more efficiency thanks to your wikification 
of the output. Also, I note the rpn randomization feature which will enable 
a fun idea I have... :-)

Input is more than welcome.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Thanks for the kind words, guys!

I made some updates. Please report any other things that look wrong.

Updated

- line graph should spread properly in table
- the prettylist demo
- chronology macro/stylesheet should now not go outside the tiddler

<:-)



On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 9:43:07 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mat
>
> *This looks awesome*. I'm beginning to play with it. I can see its 
> relevance to quite a lot of what I'm doing. 
>
> I'll comment properly later.
>
> Meanwhile, I notice a layout issue on both Firefox and Chrome ...
>
>
>
> And on Firefox only ...
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Mat wrote:
>>
>> extremely proudly to presenting...
>>
>> Graphs 
>> 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Danielo Rodríguez]

I'm experiencing similar issues on my mobile.

Great plugin despite that 

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

*This looks awesome*. I'm beginning to play with it. I can see its 
relevance to quite a lot of what I'm doing. 

I'll comment properly later.

Meanwhile, I notice a layout issue on both Firefox and Chrome ...



And on Firefox only ...



Best wishes
Josiah

Mat wrote:
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> extremely proudly to presenting...
>
> Graphs 
> 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mat

Bravo! That’s pretty brilliant. The presentation is excellent: lots of copious 
documentation and examples. But the way that you’ve been able to generate all 
the graphs just using existing TiddlyWiki primitives is very impressive, and a 
testimony to your ingenuity.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 25 Jul 2017, at 14:26, Mat  wrote:
> 
> 
> Directly from the guys at TWaddler Neuro Blast Enterprises...
> 
> extremely proudly to presenting...
> 
> 
> Graphs 
> 
> [beta]
> 
> I'll be abroad for a few days now so will probably not be
>  able to communicate much, but please do come with input.
> 
> <:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Thanks Josiah, fixed.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Looks interesting. But far too complex to be ON HOLIDAY over.

First Up, missing bits ...


Josiah, x 

On Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:26:25 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
>
> Directly from the guys at TWaddler Neuro Blast Enterprises...
>
> extremely proudly to presenting...
>
>
> Graphs 
>
> [beta]
>
> I'll be abroad for a few days now so will probably not be
>  able to communicate much, but please do come with input.
>
> <:-)
>

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