[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Adam S.]

Navigator is gone missing again, I love this plugin so I uploaded the last 
version (with instructions) I have  to this thread 
. I hope 
its okay with you, BurningTreeC. Please don't abandon this great plugin, I 
completely rely on it and the other solutions are nowhere near to 
navigator! (Not that it needs any updates because it works fine for me.) In 
case you end up leaving it behind I still want to thank you for it, great 
work!

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 9:10:58 AM UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Here's a new version with some of the problems fixed
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Diego Mesa]

Here is a gif showing the behavior:

https://media.giphy.com/media/f74ubKES9IXKFA0uvg/giphy.gif

After typing the search term, I am only pressing the down arrow key .

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 10:59:15 AM UTC-6, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Thanks BTC! In briefly playing around with this something interesting 
> happens. If you make tiddlers:
>
>
>- tiddler 1
>- tiddler 2
>- tiddler 3
>
> And then search "tiddler" you see all three popup. If you then press the 
> down arrow, it selects "tiddler 1" and the results dropdown only shows 
> tiddler 1, as opposed to all three with tiddler 1 selected - this is 
> because pressing down arrow causes the text of in the search box to change. 
> Now the interesting part is that even after this happens, if I press down 
> again, tiddler 2 shows up! And again, tiddler 3.
>
> Diego
>
> On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 4:04:54 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> Here a single wiki with both working together
>>
>> The filters configured for the up/down selections are not changed to be 
>> the same that Thomas uses
>>
>> Also, if changing a search-results tab, the simple-search shows its 
>> search results but cycles through the results of my open tab
>>
>> These are small things that need to be touched so that it works correctly
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Diego Mesa]

Thanks BTC! In briefly playing around with this something interestign 
happens. If you make tiddlers:


   - tiddler 1
   - tiddler 2
   - tiddler 3

And then search "tiddler" you see all three popup. If you then press the 
down arrow, it selects "tiddler 1" and the results dropdown only shows 
tiddler 1, as opposed to all three with tiddler 1 selected - this is 
because pressing down arrow causes the text of in the search box to change. 
Now the interesting part is that even after this happens, if I press down 
again, tiddler 2 shows up! And again, tiddler 3.

Diego

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 4:04:54 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Here a single wiki with both working together
>
> The filters configured for the up/down selections are not changed to be 
> the same that Thomas uses
>
> Also, if changing a search-results tab, the simple-search shows its search 
> results but cycles through the results of my open tab
>
> These are small things that need to be touched so that it works correctly
>

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[BurningTreeC]

> Hey BTC,
>
> Keeboord is now partly in the core, and the rest has merged into the 
> Navigator plugin? Is this correct? I'm interested in trying to use this in 
> conjunction with Thomas's simple search popup bar.
>
> Thanks,
> Diego
>
>
Hi Diego, yes the Navigator plugin is the current successor. For the search 
bar Thomas has made you need only a subset of its features, but the easiest 
way is to get the whole thing

The plugin comes with a macro that makes an input field which is already 
prepared to be selectable like the tags-input and the sidebar search on 
burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator

The macro is called "selectable-dropdown-input" but it doesn't create a 
dropdown and it works with or without a dropdown

It's a big macro but not that difficult to integrate. Basically it just 
replaces an <$edit-text .../>

The input is created within the macro
The actions for going up/down through a list and clearing the input are 
defined within the macro
The actions for what to do when hitting enter are configurable outside

The macro accepts the following attributes

editTiddler
 the tiddler to edit
inputTag:"input"
the tag for the edit-text widget, in your case "input" which is 
default
inputDefault
   a default text for the input, see the edit-text widget docs
inputPlaceHolder
  same, this is just the placeholder attribute for the edit-text 
widget
inputPopup
  the focusPopup attribute for the edit-text widget
inputClass
  the class attribute for the edit-text widget
inputFocus:"no"
  the focus attribute for the edit-text widget

These are attributes needed for the mechanism that refreshes the input with 
the selection made by up/down

saveTiddler
a second tiddler where user input gets written to. necessary for 
the mechanism to work
 quick explanation: when we write in the input field the 
editTiddler and the saveTiddler are written with the user input
  when we select 
entries from the dropdown the editTiddler gets written with the selection 
which causes the refresh mechanism to update the text in the input with the 
selection
  but the dropdown list 
is always sorted by the saveTiddler content which doesn't change when we 
make selections, it only changes when we change the text in the input field 
by typing
refreshTiddler
   this tiddler must change in order to trigger a refresh
   provide a temp tiddler name - this tiddler stores the selected entry
refreshCondition
   the value of this must be "true" so that the mechanism refreshes the 
input
   just use 
refreshCondition="""[<__refreshTiddler__>get[refresh-qualifier]removeprefix<__refreshQualifier__>suffix[]addprefix[true]]
 
~[[false]]"""
   the macro handles that internally to determine the input that 
corresponds to the refreshTiddler
refreshQualifier
   provide a qualifier using the qualify macro: 
refreshQualifier=<>
refreshAction
   this can be one of a set of strings that tells the edit-text widget 
how to refresh
   just provide refreshAction="focus-update"
   this updates the input text to show the selection and keeps focus 
within the input

filterTiddler
   this is the most important tiddler in order for the macro to work
   provide a tiddler name, you'll use that tiddler to tell the macro 
which filters are used and what actions to perform when you hit enter or 
escape
   you can also provide actions and keys for up to two additional 
keyboard widgets if you want to add a shortcut that does a custom action 
like "open all found tiddlers" or "create a tiddler with that title" or 
whatever
filterMinLength:"0"
   provide a number, in the search-input I use the default 
filterMinLength={{$:/config/Search/MinLength}}

you don't need these, but if you want the input to cancel other popups when 
you click within it or when it gets focus, set cancelPopups="yes"
tabIndex:""
cancelPopups:""


Configuring the filterTiddler:

It needs a field "dropdown-filter-1" with the filter used for the first 
list of the search results
If there's a second list it also needs "dropdown-filter-2" with the filter 
used for the second list
Thomas uses this filter for the first list: 
[!is[system]search:caption,title{$(searchTiddler)$}sort[caption]limit[250]]
and this for the second: 
[!is[system]search:{{$:/plugins/telmiger/simple-search/filter-other}}{$(searchTiddler)$}sort[title]limit[250]]
 
(he's wikifying this, we'll use a simpler thing)
you need to adjust these filters a bit, but results will be the same
 use  instead of {$(searchTiddler)$} ... userInput is a 
variable within the macro, it's nothing else than what's stored within the 
saveTiddler. the filters are used within the macro, where the variable is 
defined
 dropdown-filter-1: 
[!is[system]search:caption,titlesort[caption]limit[250]]
   

[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Diego Mesa]

Hey BTC,

Keeboord is now partly in the core, and the rest has merged into the 
Navigator plugin? Is this correct? I'm interested in trying to use this in 
conjunction with Thomas's simple search popup bar.

Thanks,
Diego

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:09:18 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> I've put KeeBoord offline temporarily because the new TiddlyWiki version 
> 5.1.18 now includes some features of it and KeeBoord has to be changed
>
> You can see the current state at 
> https://burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator 
>
> Beware before trying it, this is work in progress!
>
> The MuuriTouch plugin is also about to change, I'll leave a note here in 
> the group when it's done
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[BurningTreeC]

> at the tiddlywiki github repo we're discussing about making some of these 
>> features core-ready, so I'm looking forward to bringing as many useful 
>> things to tiddlywiki
>>
>  
> I'm happy to read this.
>
> Thank you for answering. 
>
> What I find extremely useful is reducing older wikies into new ones, 
>> taking over only the relevant pieces and connecting them with pieces from 
>> other wikies. Sort of a brainstorming workflow
>>
>  
> This I have never thought of. Very interesting!
> Do you have separate wikis for different things, or you have different 
> ones but not "content-specififc"?
>

I have content-specific ones, then medley-type wikies, where i mix contents 
together, they mostly combine more different topics. I use the tiddlymap 
plugin to look for connections between them. that requires that I keep a 
certain tagging style through all wikies. Sometimes I just start mashing 
different topics into one wiki if I know they're related. 

>
> A related question I have here is whether you have a system like h0p3 
> does? Like what he calls "folders" (if I recall correctly) and structures 
> for those folders that repeat for each one, and then the structure is 
> repeated within the smaller components. (I've found that to be a very good 
> idea, I'm currently trying to figure out how I might use tw - I've been 
> pouring things (ideas, notes, placeholders) into it without much thought 
> about the structure of the wiki and it kind of lost its non-linear nature, 
> I use a toc like in a book and the connection between things is pretty 
> straight-forward. I'm missing out on possible explorations this way. I 
> think this is not what you meant when you mentioned lego but I think that 
> if I could reduce the size of tiddlers and have larger ones as just put 
> together from the small ones I could stitch my notes together in new ways 
> like lego pieces. Not sure if the result would warrant the time I'd spend 
> on reducing my notes/ideas to their essential elements) 
>

I don't know much about h0p3's system. I use tw both on nodejs and the 
single-file version, but mostly node when on my computer. When I started 
using tw I also started just pouring things into it. Then I started 
sticking with a tagging style and some introduction tiddlers that I use as 
connecting-tiddlers for additional notes, through linking or tagging. 
Nothing very fancy.

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Adam Shepherd]

Hello Diego!

I'd like to see that in any way that it could exsist, even it it wasn't a 
core element. But if it could be a core part, that'd be great! 
But with this shortcut to focus on the search box (that is currently 
working) it would mostly be an aesthetic improvement. If it could be used 
to do othe things, than it'd be nice. I'm not sure what other things those 
would be, inserting macros maybe or certain elements perhaps to reach tools 
w/o mouse use. 
I make music with ableton live and one of my favorite feature is to hit 
ctrl+f and type in the first letters of ceratin tools (they're called 
devices in the program)  and then hit enter to insert them at the end of 
the chain. (I often forget where certain things are in photoshop as well, 
ctrl+f brings up a dialog box there too, and works pretty much the same way 
but way slower.) I love to be able to get to things like this.

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 4:57:28 PM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Adam,
>
> I also want to make JD's popup search box a core part of TW. I've used 
> spotlight for mac (also previously quicksilver and now alfred) and many 
> other application/file launchers for windows and linux. I think they are 
> essential. 
>
> With BurningTreeC's keeboord plugin (parts of which are now in the core), 
> and that specific part of JD's theme, we now, in theory, have the tools! We 
> just need to figure out how to get them into the core!
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:15:12 AM UTC-6, Adam Shepherd wrote:
>>
>> Oh, that is a relief. (That they' are not gone and being worked on.)
>> Thank you very much for this plugin, it is truly great. I tried it out in 
>> an empty tw and seems to work flawlessly. I'll update my tw and see what'll 
>> go wrong. :) (hopefully nothing.) 
>>
>> If I may, now that I calmed down (this plugin isn't just good, it is 
>> essential for me so I was genuenly upset), I'd like to make a suggestion, 
>> an addition I'd love to see: something along the lines of what JD did with 
>> his spartan theme - to have a shortcut to focus on the search box. (What JD 
>> did with the popup searchbox is actually fenomenal and beautifully 
>> implemented (in usability and looks - I can't comment on the way it was 
>> coded), too bad spartan theme's ctrl+space search doesn't work with the new 
>> tw release and this plugin. I didn't use that though - I didn't have the 
>> time to figure out how to add back in the tags section in tiddler edit 
>> mode).
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 12:09:18 PM UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> I've put KeeBoord offline temporarily because the new TiddlyWiki version 
>>> 5.1.18 now includes some features of it and KeeBoord has to be changed
>>>
>>> You can see the current state at 
>>> https://burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator 
>>>
>>> Beware before trying it, this is work in progress!
>>>
>>> The MuuriTouch plugin is also about to change, I'll leave a note here in 
>>> the group when it's done
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Adam Shepherd]

> at the tiddlywiki github repo we're discussing about making some of these 
> features core-ready, so I'm looking forward to bringing as many useful 
> things to tiddlywiki
>
 
I'm happy to read this.

Thank you for answering. 

What I find extremely useful is reducing older wikies into new ones, taking 
> over only the relevant pieces and connecting them with pieces from other 
> wikies. Sort of a brainstorming workflow
>
 
This I have never thought of. Very interesting!
Do you have separate wikis for different things, or you have different ones 
but not "content-specififc"?

A related question I have here is whether you have a system like h0p3 does? 
Like what he calls "folders" (if I recall correctly) and structures for 
those folders that repeat for each one, and then the structure is repeated 
within the smaller components. (I've found that to be a very good idea, I'm 
currently trying to figure out how I might use tw - I've been pouring 
things (ideas, notes, placeholders) into it without much thought about the 
structure of the wiki and it kind of lost its non-linear nature, I use a 
toc like in a book and the connection between things is pretty 
straight-forward. I'm missing out on possible explorations this way. I 
think this is not what you meant when you mentioned lego but I think that 
if I could reduce the size of tiddlers and have larger ones as just put 
together from the small ones I could stitch my notes together in new ways 
like lego pieces. Not sure if the result would warrant the time I'd spend 
on reducing my notes/ideas to their essential elements) 

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Diego Mesa]

Adam,

I also want to make JD's popup search box a core part of TW. I've used 
spotlight for mac (also previously quicksilver and now alfred) and many 
other application/file launchers for windows and linux. I think they are 
essential. 

With BurningTreeC's keeboord plugin (parts of which are now in the core), 
and that specific part of JD's theme, we now, in theory, have the tools! We 
just need to figure out how to get them into the core!

On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 6:15:12 AM UTC-6, Adam Shepherd wrote:
>
> Oh, that is a relief. (That they' are not gone and being worked on.)
> Thank you very much for this plugin, it is truly great. I tried it out in 
> an empty tw and seems to work flawlessly. I'll update my tw and see what'll 
> go wrong. :) (hopefully nothing.) 
>
> If I may, now that I calmed down (this plugin isn't just good, it is 
> essential for me so I was genuenly upset), I'd like to make a suggestion, 
> an addition I'd love to see: something along the lines of what JD did with 
> his spartan theme - to have a shortcut to focus on the search box. (What JD 
> did with the popup searchbox is actually fenomenal and beautifully 
> implemented (in usability and looks - I can't comment on the way it was 
> coded), too bad spartan theme's ctrl+space search doesn't work with the new 
> tw release and this plugin. I didn't use that though - I didn't have the 
> time to figure out how to add back in the tags section in tiddler edit 
> mode).
>
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 12:09:18 PM UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> I've put KeeBoord offline temporarily because the new TiddlyWiki version 
>> 5.1.18 now includes some features of it and KeeBoord has to be changed
>>
>> You can see the current state at 
>> https://burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator 
>>
>> Beware before trying it, this is work in progress!
>>
>> The MuuriTouch plugin is also about to change, I'll leave a note here in 
>> the group when it's done
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[BurningTreeC]

> I always make backups, that is rule #1. It is at this point an automatic 
> habit. But thank you for reminding me.
>

Good! This is still very experimental, I need to repeat that 

>
> I can't believe I haven't seen that, I can't read today. I apologize for 
> that. This is perfect. I did see the inpututils plugin though and installed 
> it and its ability to select within the dropdown of the search field was 
> the trigger that made me write what I did.
>
> Brilliant work, absolutely terrific.* Thank you!*
>
> This behavior should be part of tiddlywiki by default. I know, it probably 
> complicates things a bit more, but mouse-free control can be the difference 
> between insanely good and perfect.
>

at the tiddlywiki github repo we're discussing about making some of these 
features core-ready, so I'm looking forward to bringing as many useful 
things to tiddlywiki

>
> Can I ask you what you personally use tiddlywiki for?
>
 
I'm a linux user for ~10 years or so and I've been looking for good 
notetaking software when I started studying. Pretty late I found tiddlywiki 
mentioned somewhere and I only found out about it because I had a curious 
moment. Best curious moment ever... So at first I used it for notetaking 
only but I soon started playing around and tried to customize it to fit my 
keyboard-driven workflows...
It's also my new lego, I like playing with it.
Now I use it for my everyday-notes and ideas and as a database to look-up 
my older ones. What I find extremely useful is reducing older wikies into 
new ones, taking over only the relevant pieces and connecting them with 
pieces from other wikies. Sort of a brainstorming workflow

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Adam Shepherd]

I always make backups, that is rule #1. It is at this point an automatic 
habit. But thank you for reminding me.

I can't believe I haven't seen that, I can't read today. I apologize for 
that. This is perfect. I did see the inpututils plugin though and installed 
it and its ability to select within the dropdown of the search field was 
the trigger that made me write what I did.

Brilliant work, absolutely terrific.

This behavior should be part of tiddlywiki by default. I know, it probably 
complicates things a bit more, but mouse-free control can be the difference 
between insanely good and perfect.

Can I ask you what you personally use tiddlywiki for?

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[BurningTreeC]

> Oh, that is a relief. (That they' are not gone and being worked on.)
> Thank you very much for this plugin, it is truly great. I tried it out in 
> an empty tw and seems to work flawlessly. I'll update my tw and see what'll 
> go wrong. :) (hopefully nothing.) 
>

Please make copies before :P


> If I may, now that I calmed down (this plugin isn't just good, it is 
> essential for me so I was genuenly upset), I'd like to make a suggestion, 
> an addition I'd love to see: something along the lines of what JD did with 
> his spartan theme - to have a shortcut to focus on the search box. (What JD 
> did with the popup searchbox is actually fenomenal and beautifully 
> implemented (in usability and looks - I can't comment on the way it was 
> coded), too bad spartan theme's ctrl+space search doesn't work with the new 
> tw release and this plugin. I didn't use that though - I didn't have the 
> time to figure out how to add back in the tags section in tiddler edit 
> mode).
>
>
 https://burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator/  has a shortcut to focus the 
search field (alt-F but you might need to change it)

the inpututils plugin adds the tags- and search-dropdown 
select-with-shortcuts functionality ... 
https://burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator/ has that installed, too. 
alt-Right / alt-Left in the search input changes the search tab ... up/down 
selects a search entry ... enter opens it in the story-river

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[Adam Shepherd]

Oh, that is a relief.
Thank you very much for this plugin, it is truly great. I tried it out in 
an empty tw and seems to work flawlessly. I'll update my tw and see what'll 
go wrong. :) (hopefully nothing.) 

If I may, now that I calmed down (this plugin isn't just good, it is 
essential for me so I was genuenly upset), I'd like to make a suggestion, 
an addition I'd love to see: something along the lines of what JD did with 
his spartan theme - to have a shortcut to focus on the search box. (What JD 
did with the popup searchbox is actually fenomenal and beautifully 
implemented (in usability and looks - I can't comment on the way it was 
coded), too bad spartan theme's ctrl+space search doesn't work with the new 
tw release and this plugin. I didn't use that though - I didn't have the 
time to figure out how to add back in the tags section in tiddler edit 
mode).


On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 12:09:18 PM UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> I've put KeeBoord offline temporarily because the new TiddlyWiki version 
> 5.1.18 now includes some features of it and KeeBoord has to be changed
>
> You can see the current state at 
> https://burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator 
>
> Beware before trying it, this is work in progress!
>
> The MuuriTouch plugin is also about to change, I'll leave a note here in 
> the group when it's done
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Where is the KeeBoord plugin?

[BurningTreeC]

Hi Adam,

I've put KeeBoord offline temporarily because the new TiddlyWiki version 
5.1.18 now includes some features of it and KeeBoord has to be changed

You can see the current state at 
https://burningtreec.github.io/TW5-navigator 

Beware before trying it, this is work in progress!

The MuuriTouch plugin is also about to change, I'll leave a note here in 
the group when it's done


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