[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-26 Thread PMario
Hi MGT,

log in to your tweb VM like this:

cd to/your/instance/dir
vagrant up
vagrant ssh


in the VM get the interactive tweb-config script from my github repo

cd ~

wget https://raw.github.com/pmario/tweb-config/master/tweb-config
chmod +x tweb-config
sudo mv tweb-config /usr/local/bin/tweb-config


the command which tweb-config should show you: usr/local/bin/tweb-config. 
If not, there is something wrong.


The users and new TW configuration has to be done at the tweb instance.
The /vagrant directory will be automatically shared with the host system. 
So this directory can be seen inside and outside the VM.

inside the VM

cd /vagrant
cd /tweb
tweb-config[image: Superuser Menu]

you should see: http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com/010InstanceMenu.png

This system is designed to work with different users but since the auth 
system is not installed yet, every user can write to every TW. This may 
change in the future (TiddlyWiki UI is missing atm :)

If you create a new TW, you will need to assign an existing user. 
You should not use administrator. That's why create a new user ...

2 - create a new user
3 - create a new tiddlywiki

If you did create a new TW named eg: myTw. Just reload your browser.  
http://tweb.local:8080/recipes
You should see a new recipe

myTw_public .. http://tweb.local:8080/myTW_public

behind the scenes the script creates a second TW: myTw_private
but since you are not logged in, you can't see it. 
If you have a look at the directory structure you will see it ...

I did remove the renaming feature, since it gets extremely confusing if you 
have 10+ recipes (TWs). 

feedback is highly welcome!

have fun!
mario
PS: I think I'll include this script by default. So it will be easy to 
create new users and TWs. The whole setup stuff will be not needed anymore.

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-26 Thread PMario
Hi MGT,

log in to your tweb VM like this:

cd to/your/instance/dir
vagrant up
vagrant ssh


in the VM get the interactive tweb-config script from my github repo

cd ~

wget https://raw.github.com/pmario/tweb-config/master/tweb-config
chmod +x tweb-config
sudo mv tweb-config /usr/local/bin


the command which tweb-config should show you: usr/local/bin/tweb-config. 
If not, there is something wrong.


The users and new TW configuration has to be done at the tweb instance.
The /vagrant directory will be automatically shared with the host system. 
So this directory can be seen inside and outside the VM.

inside the VM

cd /vagrant
cd /tweb
tweb-config[image: Superuser Menu]

you should see: http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com/010InstanceMenu.png

This system is designed to work with different users but since the auth 
system is not installed yet, every user can write to every TW. This may 
change in the future (TiddlyWiki UI is missing atm :)

If you create a new TW, you will need to assign an existing user. 
You should not use administrator. That's why create a new user ...

2 - create a new user
3 - create a new tiddlywiki

If you did create a new TW named eg: myTw. Just reload your browser.  
http://tweb.local:8080/recipes
You should see a new recipe

myTw_public .. http://tweb.local:8080/myTW_public

behind the scenes the script creates a second TW: myTw_private
but since you are not logged in, you can't see it. 
If you have a look at the directory structure you will see it ...

I did remove the renaming feature, since it gets extremely confusing if you 
have 10+ recipes (TWs). 

feedback is highly welcome!

have fun!
mario
PS: I think I'll include this script by default. So it will be easy to 
create new users and TWs. The whole setup stuff will be not needed anymore.

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-26 Thread MGT
Hi Mario,

Works great, thanks - two TW's up and running. The TiddlyWeb at home 
configuration tool is a nice feature - will you keep expanding its 
functionality? Would be great if there was a command line script to make it 
easier to assess these tools.

Cheers,

Mark

On Monday, 26 August 2013 09:47:47 UTC+1, PMario wrote:

 Hi MGT,

 log in to your tweb VM like this:

 cd to/your/instance/dir
 vagrant up
 vagrant ssh


 in the VM get the interactive tweb-config script from my github repo

 cd ~

 wget https://raw.github.com/pmario/tweb-config/master/tweb-config
 chmod +x tweb-config
 sudo mv tweb-config /usr/local/bin


 the command which tweb-config should show you: usr/local/bin/tweb-config. 
 If not, there is something wrong.


 The users and new TW configuration has to be done at the tweb instance.
 The /vagrant directory will be automatically shared with the host system. 
 So this directory can be seen inside and outside the VM.

 inside the VM

 cd /vagrant
 cd /tweb
 tweb-config[image: Superuser Menu]

 you should see: http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com/010InstanceMenu.png

 This system is designed to work with different users but since the auth 
 system is not installed yet, every user can write to every TW. This may 
 change in the future (TiddlyWiki UI is missing atm :)

 If you create a new TW, you will need to assign an existing user. 
 You should not use administrator. That's why create a new user ...

 2 - create a new user
 3 - create a new tiddlywiki

 If you did create a new TW named eg: myTw. Just reload your browser.  
 http://tweb.local:8080/recipes
 You should see a new recipe

 myTw_public .. http://tweb.local:8080/myTW_public

 behind the scenes the script creates a second TW: myTw_private
 but since you are not logged in, you can't see it. 
 If you have a look at the directory structure you will see it ...

 I did remove the renaming feature, since it gets extremely confusing if 
 you have 10+ recipes (TWs). 

 feedback is highly welcome!

 have fun!
 mario
 PS: I think I'll include this script by default. So it will be easy to 
 create new users and TWs. The whole setup stuff will be not needed anymore.


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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-26 Thread PMario
On Monday, August 26, 2013 1:21:26 PM UTC+2, MGT wrote:

 Works great, thanks - two TW's up and running.

cool
 

 The TiddlyWeb at home configuration tool is a nice feature - will you keep 
 expanding its functionality?


What did you miss?

Would be great if there was a command line script to make it easier to 
 assess these tools.


A command line script. where? host or inside vm?

-m

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread PMario
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:16:51 AM UTC+2, MGT wrote:

 Works a treat, although I couldn't work out how to set the 'hosts' file 
 for OSX so I just used the full address: http://192.168.3.10:8080/default. 
 This will allow me to start exploring tiddlyweb in more detail and migrate 
 away from the old style single file format. Thanks for putting this 
 together.


Cool that it worked for you. 
You are right. The full address can be used too. I'll include that in the 
docs. 

have fun!
mario
 

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread PMario
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:16:51 AM UTC+2, MGT wrote:

 Works a treat, although I couldn't work out how to set the 'hosts' file 
 for OSX so I just used the full address: http://192.168.3.10:8080/default. 
 This will allow me to start exploring tiddlyweb in more detail and migrate 
 away from the old style single file format. Thanks for putting this 
 together.


A quick search says: /private/etc/hosts

-m

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread MGT
In the end I did need to add the line 192.168.3.10tweb.local to hosts 
as the TW wouldn't save. I used the following command sudo nano 
/etc/hosts and all works fine now.

How do I go about adding another TW to this?

Mark

On Sunday, 25 August 2013 10:16:41 UTC+1, PMario wrote:

 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:16:51 AM UTC+2, MGT wrote:

 Works a treat, although I couldn't work out how to set the 'hosts' file 
 for OSX so I just used the full address: http://192.168.3.10:8080/default. 
 This will allow me to start exploring tiddlyweb in more detail and migrate 
 away from the old style single file format. Thanks for putting this 
 together.


 A quick search says: /private/etc/hosts

 -m


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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread PMario
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:25:08 AM UTC+2, MGT wrote:

 In the end I did need to add the line 192.168.3.10tweb.local to 
 hosts as the TW wouldn't save. I used the following command sudo nano 
 /etc/hosts and all works fine now.


Right. I just did a test and found out, that it doesn't save :))
 

 How do I go about adding another TW to this?


You'd need to ssh into vagrant and create some new TWs with the command 
line. 
There is no possibility atm to do some orchestration from outside.

I'd need some time to create some scripts, or I'd need to rewrite the 
interacitve tool, I did for the raspberry pi. 

Are you able to use the shell ?

-m 

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread PMario
@MGT
* does a Mac use '/usr/local/bin/' to store scripts?

I did have a short look at the tweb-config script. I need to adjust the 
paths but it should be worth the effort. It should work with the vagrant 
setup and the raspi.

-m

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread PMario
I did test the tweb-conifg script and it seems to work well, without any 
modifications. 
I'll do some more testing and post some info how to use it with vagrant 
ssh

-m

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Mario,

Just theoretically, how much more effort, if even possible, would be a 
 TiddlySpace At Home... which might to do away with certain console 
needs? ...at least for starters. Utopia?

Cheers, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-25 Thread PMario
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:19:59 PM UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Just theoretically, how much more effort, if even possible, would be a 
  TiddlySpace At Home... which might to do away with certain console 
 needs? ...at least for starters. Utopia?


You just need to create a desktop link that looks something like this.

working dir: your/dir/that/contains/the/Vagrantfile 
command: vagrant up

done

It could be  part of the autostart mechanism too. But I don't use win 
anymore, so someone else has to jump in here. 

-m

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-24 Thread MGT
Hi Mario,

Works a treat, although I couldn't work out how to set the 'hosts' file for 
OSX so I just used the full address: http://192.168.3.10:8080/default. This 
will allow me to start exploring tiddlyweb in more detail and migrate away 
from the old style single file format. Thanks for putting this together.

Mark

On Thursday, 22 August 2013 21:44:56 UTC+1, PMario wrote:

 On Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:32:52 PM UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:

 1) The video descriptions! ^_^


 You definetely need to link to http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com 
 *everywhere* 
 and also to special topics that are part of the video(s).


 You think of a home button?

 2) Use a handful of annotations to link related videos and resources.


 You are right. The videos need annotations. 
  

 3) After having watched your video I have no idea what Vagrant is doing 
 and if I still need to download and run that iso image or not, etc...


 There is no need to use the LiveCD image if you use the vagrant stuff. 
 Vagrant will build all the dependencies and configurations from scratch.
 The vagrant video is there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFNAlxp5fdg  I 
 just forgot to add it to tweb-at-home :)

 At the moment I'd be am more inclined to try and install TiddlyWeb 
 natively. If you think you can convince me that tweb-at-home is the 
 better way to go: Do you have a list of 

 pro's and con's compared to a native TiddlyWeb install?


 If you want to have a small footprint, you can deffinitely go with a 
 native install. As I wrote (somewhere) I use the step by step howtoos 
 myself. So they should work ... but who knows all the OS quirks :) ...

 Pro's and Con's will follow.
 -m


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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-22 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Mario,

First things first, I think it's great what you're doing there, especially 
with the tenet of making things as simple as it gets!

=

Don't want to introduce more work for you but a couple of things will be 
helpful, if not essential.

1) The video descriptions! ^_^

You definetely need to link to http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com *everywhere* 
and also to special topics that are part of the video(s).

2) Use a handful of annotations to link related videos and resources.

3) After having watched your video I have no idea what Vagrant is doing and 
if I still need to download and run that iso image or not, etc...

~

At the moment I'd be am more inclined to try and install TiddlyWeb 
natively. If you think you can convince me that tweb-at-home is the better 
way to go: Do you have a list of pro's and con's compared to a native 
TiddlyWeb install?

Thanks, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-22 Thread PMario
On Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:32:52 PM UTC+2, Tobias Beer wrote:

 1) The video descriptions! ^_^


You definetely need to link to http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com *everywhere* 
 and also to special topics that are part of the video(s).


You think of a home button?

2) Use a handful of annotations to link related videos and resources.


You are right. The videos need annotations. 
 

 3) After having watched your video I have no idea what Vagrant is doing 
 and if I still need to download and run that iso image or not, etc...


There is no need to use the LiveCD image if you use the vagrant stuff. 
Vagrant will build all the dependencies and configurations from scratch.
The vagrant video is there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFNAlxp5fdg  I 
just forgot to add it to tweb-at-home :)

At the moment I'd be am more inclined to try and install TiddlyWeb 
 natively. If you think you can convince me that tweb-at-home is the 
 better way to go: Do you have a list of 

pro's and con's compared to a native TiddlyWeb install?


If you want to have a small footprint, you can deffinitely go with a native 
install. As I wrote (somewhere) I use the step by step howtoos myself. So 
they should work ... but who knows all the OS quirks :) ...

Pro's and Con's will follow.
-m

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-21 Thread PMario
The latest version of tweb-at-home new possibility is at: 
https://github.com/pmario/tweb-vagrant
have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-05 Thread Dave
Hi, I just saw this now.

One question, in the video, you were accessing the text if the individual 
tiddlers from outside the browser.  I've always wanted to be able to do 
that.  I don't know much about virtual machines, though.  Was that 
accessing the text files from within  a specific part of the VM, or could I 
potentially do that from the normal file system, e.g. through a bash script?

Thanks,
Dave

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[tw] Re: INTRO: tiddlyweb at home - a new possibility

2013-08-05 Thread PMario

On Monday, August 5, 2013 10:59:28 PM UTC+2, Dave wrote:

 One question, in the video, you were accessing the text if the individual 
 tiddlers from outside the browser.  I've always wanted to be able to do 
 that.  I don't know much about virtual machines, though.  Was that 
 accessing the text files from within  a specific part of the VM, or could I 
 potentially do that from the normal file system, e.g. through a bash script?

 
The default behaviour at the moment is, that the tiddlyweb store is exposed 
outside the VM. So if someone messes up the VM, the content is still 
accessible. If external skripts modify the store at the same time, as a TW 
is editing stuff, you will need to reload the TW otherwise the store may 
break.

A better way to modify the content with bash scripts would be to use the 
tiddlyweb http API. It can be used with curl.  You may overwrite some 
tiddlers, but the store should not be broken. As shown in the video the 
text store can handle revisions. 

have fun!
mario
 

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[tw] Re: INTRO: TiddlyWeb at Home

2013-02-26 Thread Måns
Hi Mario

GREAT STUFF :-D

Have to digg this soon as possible :-)

Thanks for sharing your work!

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Ps: If you think you're crazy - don't think that you're the only
one ;-)


On 26 Feb., 22:37, PMario pmari...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi folks,

 There have been a lot of discussions about saving TiddlyWiki lately
 [1]. It seems browser vendors shut down our beloved file TWs.

 One work around is, to use old, insecure, unsupported browsers. I
 personally hate this workaround. I want to use the latest and greates
 browsers.

 An other way would be to create native programms which need to support
 different operating systems and may end up, as writing your own
 browser :/

 * I want to store my stuff in files.
 * I want to use a trusted system!
 * I want to have it all!
 * I want to use it now!

 That's why I created the TiddlyWeb at Home project [3].

 As the name says, everyone should be able to use it at home. It should
 store my ideas in files. It needs to be reliable. It needs to be easy
 to backup. It needs to work out of the box ...

 but ...

 It should scale. It should be like TiddlySpace [7][8], if it needs to
 be. It's based on TiddlyWeb [10].

 ---

 The main part of the project are Step-by-Step HowTo's plus working
 proof of concepts. Learn more about the story at tweb-at-home [3]

 Everything started, with a menu driven installation script (beta) for
 Raspberry Pi owners. If you don't own one, no problem __read on__!

 The setup should be the same or similar with many systems. I did
 _test_ the workflow / HowTo's with the following systems:

 _Bootable LiveCD_
   that runs a TiddlyWeb instance out of the box and lets you install a
 working environment. see the videos [11] I'm really proud about this
 possibility:)

 _Raspberry Pi_
   with raspbian OS [5], which is a Debian based Linux distribution
 running on a low cost, low power computer. see the review about the
 menu driven configuration. [2]

 VirtualBox image (LiveCD)
   tested with Windows7
   tested with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with

 SliTaz OS [6]
   in VBox, which is a tiny Linux distro. I'll be able to host
 VirtualBox images, that should just run out of the box. (TODO)

 Modified TurnKey Linux [7]
   in VBox, which will create the possibility to move the stuff to your
 own servers or to the cloud.

 Windows native
   with python2.7 .. \o/  using virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper (for
 the powershell)

 With MacOS and Linux, the system runs without a VirtualBox.
   I used virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper, to create clean
 environments, to test the workflow. I don't have the   possibility to
 test with MacOS but cdent uses MacOS for development :)

 ---

 * Tested but I won't use them
 PuppyLinux [9]
   works but it is not the system for me.
 TinyCore Linux
   which works, but I couldn't make the content permanent.

 Many things work allready, but I need your help.

 * beta testing
 * feedback
 * code contributions

 If you like this work and want to support the project. Do me a favor
 [I]

 have fun!
 mario pietsch

 PS: You may think: Why did he do this? - Because I think TiddlyWeb
 reliable enough, usefull enough and small enough to run on every PC.
 It's much smaller than any browser but offers so much more. ...
 and ... I want to make the installation process easy enough for
 everyone.
 PPS: and I'm crazy q;)

 [1]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d875a3...
 [2]http://designspark.com/blog/building-a-personal-microcontent-server-w...
 [3]http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com/
 [4] 
 RasPi-TWebhttps://groups.google.com/group/tiddlyweb/browse_thread/thread/84014e...
 [5]http://www.raspberrypi.org/
 [6]http://www.slitaz.org/
 [7]http://tiddlyspace.com/
 [8]http://pmario.tiddlyspace.com/TiddlySpaceNumbers
 [9]http://puppylinux.com/
 [10]http://tiddlyweb.tiddlyspace.com/
 [11]http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com/tweb-at-home-iso
 [12] alpha 
 intro:https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlyweb/hAFOoin...

 [I]http://tweb-at-home.tiddlyspace.com/do-me-a-favor

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[tw] Re: INTRO: TiddlyWeb at Home

2013-02-26 Thread PMario
On 26 Feb., 23:10, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ps: If you think you're crazy - don't think that you're the only
 one ;-)
:)

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