[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[PJO]

I clicked on the PouchDB link at the bottom of the web page from which I 
downloaded Noteself. This gave me a certificate warning and when I 
proceeded anyway no useful result (site unavailable or something like 
that). I tried again just now and everything looks ok. I'm seeing the site 
for the first time.

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello PJO

>PouchDB is prominently linked to and is either down or gone

Do you mean that there are several links to pouchdb? It is not gone, it is a 
live project. If you found any dead link, please let me know which one. 

Regards 

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[PJO]

PouchDB is prominently linked to and is either down or gone. Thanks for the 
clarification. Maybe you could include that info? 

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello PJO,

El domingo, 25 de septiembre de 2016, 0:43:31 (UTC+2), PJO escribió:
>
> Thanks. I'd like to take a look at this but it looks as if I need PouchDB 
> and it seems to be down/gone. Any advice?
>

Sorry, I'm not sure that I understand your question completelly. You don't 
need PouchDB, you need any CouchDB compatible server. This can be an online 
service such cloudant.com , your own server like your NAS or your server 
running on a server as a service like heroku, or anything else you want. If 
you can trust a third party server I recommend you to give cloudant a try, 
the service is very easy to setup and maintain, and it is fully compatible 
with NoteSelf.

For any of the services you usually use you need an account somewhere: for 
using dropbox you need a dropbox account, for using evernote you need an 
evernote account, for using... you get the idea. For using NoteSelf you can 
use any couchdb provider.

Regards. 

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[PJO]

Thanks. I'd like to take a look at this but it looks as if I need PouchDB 
and it seems to be down/gone. Any advice?
>
>

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Dear PJO

> A family wiki is definitely something I think would be good to be able to 
> manage using an information sharing tool, like a federated version of 
> Tiddlywiki capable of syncing tiddlers, say between wikis of the same name, 
> the way Dropbox can sync files in folders. I do not wish to share any such 
> information with any commercial provider, so something like OwnCloud or 
> NextCloud running on an Internet-connected Raspberry Pi front ending network 
> storage at home would suit.

That is exactly the problem that I try to solve in Noteself. Maybe you can 
check it out: Noteself.github.io
Sync can happen to any commercial couch service or to any custom installation 
of your choice. 

Regards 

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[Farayi Chambati]

Thanks for Sharing. I downloaded straight away.

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 7:43:57 AM UTC+12, Alfonso Arciniega 
wrote:
>
> Attached is "The Big Book of Everything" in PDF. I have thought of having 
> a similar FIMS in TiddlyWiki. Maybe some day...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alfonso
>

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[Farayi Chambati]

That is so my challenge PJO.

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 6:03:17 AM UTC+12, PJO wrote:
>
> This is an interesting idea. I use TiddlyWiki for personal things (I 
> created TiddlyFolio some years ago for data I wanted to keep locally and 
> didn't want to upload to Lastpass or anywhere else online) but do need to 
> share certain information with my wife about the house, our wills, tax 
> returns, warranties etc. I've played aroud with DokuWiki running on a 
> Synology NAS so far but not really put much in the way of a structure 
> together, so I still have information 
>
>- on paper
>- in a scanned documents folder on the network
>- in Lastpass
>- in Evernote 
>- in separate TiddlyWikis
>- in files, emails and email archives indexed with X1(.com)
>- in notes on my phone
>- in contact records on Bakail (running on my NAS)
>- in calendars (Google, Fastmail) 
>
> etc.
>
> That's in addition to photos, music, software etc. on the NAS
>
> My wife is concerned that she wouldn't be able to find or access 
> everything if I dropped dead and I've said don't worry I'm working on it. 
> Meanwhile, we do at least have have good automated backup operations in 
> place. 
>
> A family wiki is definitely something I think would be good to be able to 
> manage using an information sharing tool, like a federated version of 
> Tiddlywiki capable of syncing tiddlers, say between wikis of the same name, 
> the way Dropbox can sync files in folders. I do not wish to share any such 
> information with any commercial provider, so something like OwnCloud or 
> NextCloud running on an Internet-connected Raspberry Pi front ending 
> network storage at home would suit. 
>
> One of the things on my TO DO list is sort out our books. I use a nice app 
> called BookDroid on my phone to keep a record of books I want to buy or 
> borrow. It can scan a barcode and then retrieve full details from the web. 
> I have used it in other people's houses to quickly lift details of things I 
> want to read and would love to be able to transfer the data to TiddlyWiki 
> and add some tags. Our books are more sorted by shelf size than anything 
> else so, partly as a result of moving every so often and partly for lack of 
> time they aren't sorted by topic, never mind cataloged. But a tool to make 
> it trivial is almost there, surely.
>
> This is just a FOR EXAMPLE idea of something I'd be happy to see in a 
> system of the kind you mention. I imagine others would be happy to have 
> records of car maintenance, mileage and expenses and ... one could go on.
>

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[Farayi Chambati]

Hi Tobias,

It is always a pleasure to pick on your brilliant brain. I appreciate you 
taking the time to write a detailed honeypot of ideas. This gives me a good 
headstart. I have a created some working prototype based on my family. I 
guess I a struggling with abstraction to general a Family Edition or a how 
to guide for others. The ideas you have shared - will give me a headstart.

Thanks again.


On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 7:41:00 AM UTC+12, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Farayi,
>
> I'd recommend casting your ideas into clear (functional) "requirements" as 
> in "With respect to *foo*, we want our *Family Information Thing* to do 
> *bar* so that we can *mumble* because *frotz*" and possibly (but not 
> necessarily) respective ideas for (technical) solutions as to how to make 
> the idea work.
>
> I'd start by creating a TiddlyWiki that, first and foremost, serves as a 
> Notebook or manual with tiddlers like:
>
>- *About *Contacts (*About *Family, *About *Friends)
>- *About *Places
>- *About *Health
>- About Education
>- About Career
>- About Possessions (About Houses, About Vehicles, About Inventory)
>- About Community
>- About Documents
>- About Memories
>- About Birthdays
>- About Activityíes
>
> And then you document in each of those precisely what type of information 
> you wish to save alongside records of each kind, whereas a respective 
> record would have the respective tag, e.g. *Contact*.
>
> In a second step, think about where you want to store any related 
> information / details, e.g.:
>
>- in the tiddler text
>   - maybe in defined sections
>   - I very much like definition lists
>- in tags
>   - for modeling a hierarchy
>- in fields or list fields, if you want to
>   - later retrieve stuff in lists
>   - show things conditionally
>- in related tiddlers, incl. DataTiddlers
>   - for when you don't want to overload a given tiddler
>   - or when that information / detail is really more of a technical, 
>   configuration type
>- in sub-tiddlers
>   - i.e. those that have that tiddler as a tag
>
> The actual records, I would then tag as:
>
>- Contact (Family, Friend)
>- Place
>- Health
>- Education
>- Career
>- Possession (House, Vehicle, Inventory)
>- Community
>- Document
>- Memory
>- Birthday
>- Activity
>
> I would conceptualize this Family Thing in the most organic manner 
> possible. You can pre-define all those category tags, but not necessarily. 
> Create, design and define them as you go, as you try to create records for 
> each.
>
> If you want to make cross-lists, you could use something like 
> tobibeer/xlist  to create 
> tiddlers like:
>
>- Birthday Memories
>- Health Documents
>- Contact Memories
>- Community Activities
>- etc...
>
> Perhaps use some approach that involves prefixes, e.g.
>
>- *#* for *status*
>*e.g. #next, #future, #waiting*
>- *@* for *contexts*
>*e.g. @vacation, @call, @write, @vacation*
>- *$* for *projects statuses*
>*e.g. $active, $someday, $maybe*
>- *&* for *contact categories*
>*e.g. $family, $friends, $professionals*
>- *!* for *priorities*
>*e.g. !high, !medium, !low*
>- *whatever *you like, *really*
>*those prefixes help you quickly find stuff*
>
> Each category item should have the category as it's tag, e.g. *@buy* 
> should have *Context* as a tag and *About Context* would be tagged *About* 
> and explain what a *Context* is and how to work with one´in a tiddler... 
> or link to interesting list-tiddlers involving contexts.
>
> For example, you would tag, *Caren Miller*, your theoretical sister, with 
> *$family*, and then a tiddler called *Caren's Birthday 2016* tagged 
> *#next* and *Activity* and then have a tiddler *2016 Hawai* *Summer 
> Holidays *tagged *@vacation* but also *Caren's Birthday 2016*, because 
> you will celebrate her birthday that year in Haway, etc...
>
> To cut that long story short, start filling your own Family Information 
> Thing with life. And if you later feel like it's such a great thing that 
> you wish to share it, abstract and refine some prototype for it into that 
> Family Information Edition. Keep in mind that everyone may have their own 
> preferences and categories to work with. So, it could really just be an 
> instruction manual that writes in simple terms "How to make a great Family 
> Information Thingy with TiddlyWiki." ...rather than a full blown thing with 
> all your personal preferences as to how you would display what.
>
> And whenever you're stuck with an idea, try to spell it out in the most 
> simple, clearly defined terms, each one in its own thread in the groups, 
> e.g.
>
>- *As*
>- *A I want...*
>- *B so that*
>- *C because*
>- *D and I tried*
>- *E but somehow*
>- *F isn't working and* *here's*
>- *

[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[PJO]

This is an interesting idea. I use TiddlyWiki for personal things (I 
created TiddlyFolio some years ago for data I wanted to keep locally and 
didn't want to upload to Lastpass or anywhere else online) but do need to 
share certain information with my wife about the house, our wills, tax 
returns, warranties etc. I've played aroud with DokuWiki running on a 
Synology NAS so far but not really put much in the way of a structure 
together, so I still have information 

   - on paper
   - in a scanned documents folder on the network
   - in Lastpass
   - in Evernote 
   - in separate TiddlyWikis
   - in files, emails and email archives indexed with X1(.com)
   - in notes on my phone
   - in contact records on Bakail (running on my NAS)
   - in calendars (Google, Fastmail) 
   
etc.

That's in addition to photos, music, software etc. on the NAS

My wife is concerned that she wouldn't be able to find or access everything 
if I dropped dead and I've said don't worry I'm working on it. Meanwhile, 
we do at least have have good automated backup operations in place. 

A family wiki is definitely something I think would be good to be able to 
manage using an information sharing tool, like a federated version of 
Tiddlywiki capable of syncing tiddlers, say between wikis of the same name, 
the way Dropbox can sync files in folders. I do not wish to share any such 
information with any commercial provider, so something like OwnCloud or 
NextCloud running on an Internet-connected Raspberry Pi front ending 
network storage at home would suit. 

One of the things on my TO DO list is sort out our books. I use a nice app 
called BookDroid on my phone to keep a record of books I want to buy or 
borrow. It can scan a barcode and then retrieve full details from the web. 
I have used it in other people's houses to quickly lift details of things I 
want to read and would love to be able to transfer the data to TiddlyWiki 
and add some tags. Our books are more sorted by shelf size than anything 
else so, partly as a result of moving every so often and partly for lack of 
time they aren't sorted by topic, never mind cataloged. But a tool to make 
it trivial is almost there, surely.

This is just a FOR EXAMPLE idea of something I'd be happy to see in a 
system of the kind you mention. I imagine others would be happy to have 
records of car maintenance, mileage and expenses and ... one could go on.

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[tw] Re: Who is up for a challenge: Family Management Information System

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Farayi,

I'd recommend casting your ideas into clear (functional) "requirements" as 
in "With respect to *foo*, we want our *Family Information Thing* to do 
*bar* so that we can *mumble* because *frotz*" and possibly (but not 
necessarily) respective ideas for (technical) solutions as to how to make 
the idea work.

I'd start by creating a TiddlyWiki that, first and foremost, serves as a 
Notebook or manual with tiddlers like:

   - *About *Contacts (*About *Family, *About *Friends)
   - *About *Places
   - *About *Health
   - About Education
   - About Career
   - About Possessions (About Houses, About Vehicles, About Inventory)
   - About Community
   - About Documents
   - About Memories
   - About Birthdays
   - About Activityíes

And then you document in each of those precisely what type of information 
you wish to save alongside records of each kind, whereas a respective 
record would have the respective tag, e.g. *Contact*.

In a second step, think about where you want to store that related 
information, e.g.:

   - in tags
  - for modeling a hierarchy
   - in fields or list fields, if you want to
  - later retrieve stuff in lists
  - show things conditionally
   - in related tiddlers, incl. DataTiddlers
  - for when you don't want to overload a given tiddler
  - or when that information / detail is really more of a technical, 
  configuration type
   - in sub-tiddlers
  - i.e. those that have that tiddler as a tag
   
The actual records, I would then tag as:

   - Contact (Family, Friend)
   - Place
   - Health
   - Education
   - Career
   - Possession (House, Vehicle, Inventory)
   - Community
   - Document
   - Memory
   - Birthday
   - Activity

I would conceptualize this Family Thing in the most organic manner 
possible. You can pre-define all those category tags, but not necessarily. 
Create, design and define them as you go, as you try to create records for 
each.

If you want to make cross-lists, you could use something like tobibeer/xlist 
 to create tiddlers like:

   - Birthday Memories
   - Health Documents
   - Contact Memories
   - Community Activities
   - etc...

Perhaps use some approach that involves prefixes, e.g.

   - *#* for *status*
   *e.g. #next, #future, #waiting*
   - *@* for *contexts*
   *e.g. @vacation, @call, @write, @vacation*
   - *$* for *projects statuses*
   *e.g. $active, $someday, $maybe*
   - *&* for *contact categories*
   *e.g. $family, $friends, $professionals*
   - *!* for *priorities*
   *e.g. !high, !medium, !low*
   - *whatever *you like, *really*
   *those prefixes help you quickly find stuff*

Each category item should have the category as it's tag, e.g. *@buy* should 
have *Context* as a tag and *About Context* would be tagged *About* and 
explain what a *Context* is and how to work with one´in a tiddler... or 
link to interesting list-tiddlers involving contexts.

For example, you would tag, *Caren Miller*, your theoretical sister, with 
*$family*, and then a tiddler called *Caren's Birthday 2016* tagged *#next*
 and *Activity* and then have a tiddler *2016 Hawai* *Summer Holidays *tagged 
*@vacation* but also *Caren's Birthday 2016*, because you will celebrate 
her birthday that year in Haway, etc...

To cut that long story short, start filling your own Family Information 
Thing with life. And if you later feel like it's such a great thing that 
you wish to share it, abstract and refine some prototype for it into that 
Family Information Edition. Keep in mind that everyone may have their own 
preferences and categories to work with. So, it could really just be an 
instruction manual that writes in simple terms "How to make a great Family 
Information Thingy with TiddlyWiki." ...rather than a full blown thing with 
all your personal preferences as to how you would display what.

And whenever you're stuck with an idea, try to spell it out in the most 
simple, clearly defined terms, each one in its own thread in the groups, 
e.g.

   - *As*
   - *A I want...*
   - *B so that*
   - *C because*
   - *D and I tried*
   - *E but somehow*
   - *F isn't working and* *here's*
   - *G to demonstrate the problem*

Something like that. ;-)

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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