Re: [tw] Re: Writing a book

[wjam]

you can also use
{{$:/StoryList!!list}}

A long time ago I posted in this group a tw5 tiddler which generated a list 
from storylist where all titles are surrounded by [[ and ]] to fill the default 
tiddler easily

it contained something like:

$list filter=$:/StoryList
<$text text="[["/>
$view field= title"
$text text="]]"/>
/$list

kr wjam 
(typed on mobile phone "soft keyboard")

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[tw] Re: Writing a book

[HansWobbe]

Hi Joe:

Tobi's Save and Load approach works very well for me by building sets of 
Snaphots that can be easily edited to Load tiddlers into the story in 
whatever order you like. 
 
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Saving%20And%20Loading%20A%20History%20Snapshot

Regards,
Hans

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[tw] Re: Writing a book

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I would be very reluctant to use drag-n-drop to preserve the order of my 
writing.

What I did the last time was create tiddler for each anticipated chapter, 
numbered like

01 Intro

The tiddler would tagged with the name of the book/story, the tag 
"Chapter", and a chapter field (double digit zero buffered)

Each chapter is built of several sections (because you probably don't want 
to to be editing thousands of words in a single tiddler). Each section 
tiddler is given a tag for the story, a section field (double digit 
buffered, count in increments of 10) and the chapter number (double digit 
buffered).

Then inside your chapter you use something like:

<$list filter="[tag[Story]chapter[01]has[section]sort[section]]" >
<$link to={{!!title}}>{{!!title}}

<$transclude mode="block"/>



You could put that all into a macro for convenience so you could say 
<>. If I was doing it now, I'd add reveal blocks for each 
transcluded section.

Now you can see your chapter broken into sections. If you want to edit a 
section, you just click on the link about the section. You control the 
order of the text through the section number. If you want to break a 
section into smaller sections, use the excision tool and then give each 
tiddler an appropriate section number (which is why I suggest enumerating 
by 10 initially -- there's always gaps between the numbers). You could 
create several pre-numbered blank tiddlers for each chapter, so that as you 
write you can just start a new section without interruption.

Write on!
-- Mark

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Re: [tw] Re: Writing a book

[PMario]

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 4:33:31 PM UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
> Next question How do I get a list of the opened tiddlers after I have 
> arranged them?
> I need to store this in a new tiddler
>

Rearranging the $:/StoryList manipulates its field named: list 
Since the story list is constantly manipulated by the TW core, you should 
use *your own tags *to list and manipulate the tiddler order. 

eg: <>

learn more at: 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Drag%20and%20Drop:%5B%5BDrag%20and%20Drop%5D%5D%20%5B%5Blist-tagged-draggable%20Macro%5D%5D%20%5B%5Blist-tagged-draggable%20Macro%20(Examples)%5D%5D

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw] Re: Writing a book

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Joe,
 

> Next question How do I get a list of the opened tiddlers after I have 
> arranged them?
> I need to store this in a new tiddler
>
> Just select the tiddler titles in the Open tab and copy/paste them in a 
new tiddler.

Cheers,

Ton

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Re: [tw] Re: Writing a book

[Joe Armstrong]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
>  - but I want to be able to easily change the order
>> so I'd like to add an up and down arrow to the collapsed tiddler to
>> change the position in the
>> story.
>>
>
> Are you aware of the drag & drop possibility in the Open tab in the
> Sidebar?
>

I am now - thanks :-)

Next question How do I get a list of the opened tiddlers after I have
arranged them?
I need to store this in a new tiddler

Cheers

/Joe




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[tw] Re: Writing a book

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Joe,

 - but I want to be able to easily change the order
> so I'd like to add an up and down arrow to the collapsed tiddler to change 
> the position in the
> story.
>

Are you aware of the drag & drop possibility in the Open tab in the Sidebar?

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw] Re: Writing a book

[Joe Armstrong]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:42:14 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> What you want can be achieved with native TiddlyWiki. Of course there are 
> variouse levels of automation and complexity that can be built, but if you 
> create a single tiddler that lists all tiddlers and renders them in the 
> single tiddler, you can "Open the resulting tiddler" in a new window and 
> use the browser print feature, with a Print to PDF printer to create PDF 
> files.
>
> The Editor tool bar Transclude option can help selecting tiddlers to 
> include in a master tiddler, but I would use tags or fields to indicate 
> chapter and sections and an advanced list macro to bring all the content 
> into the single "book" tiddler, ready for reviewing and printing. Perhaps, 
> For each draft save/copy  the tiddlywiki as a new file and continue editing.
>
>
I'm not sure what you mean by "the Editor tool bar Transclude option" - 
when I open an editor the toolbar
has a set of icons starting with the icon to produce Bold test but I can't 
find a "Transclude option" to clarify I'm starting
with an unmodified copy of the TW at tiddlywiki.com

What I want to do is quickly organise a set of tiddlers into a story.

I can get the tiddlers I want on screen and collapse them into single lines 
containing the 
headers only with the "fold other tiddlers"  - but I want to be able to 
easily change the order
so I'd like to add an up and down arrow to the collapsed tiddler to change 
the position in the
story.

Once I'd got the order right I'd like to save the order  in a new tiddler.

Basically I'm creating a tiddler whose content is

{{Some heading}}
{{Some name}}
{{and more}}

But it would be nice to semi-automate the process

Cheers

/Joe



 

> I would use tiddler names to describe content, and have chapter titles 
> etc... actually in the tiddler text.
>
> I will give this some more thought, as ultimately I would like such a tool 
> as well, however I am focusing on interactive work instructions rather than 
> books.
>
>
> Happy to discuss further.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:53:45 AM UTC+11, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'd like to mock up a book in TW - the input would be a TW
>> the output a nicely formatted book in HTML (or PDF -- but I'll be happy 
>> with
>> HTML for now)
>>
>> To fix my ideas I'd like the output to look like
>>
>> http://book.mixu.net/distsys/index.html
>>
>> Any tips of tag structures and so on to achieve this?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Writing a book

[TonyM]

PS

Using dragable lists can be helpful for rearranging titles and how they are 
listed. this can be done for items with the same tags.

Regards
Tony


On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 5:42:14 PM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> What you want can be achieved with native TiddlyWiki. Of course there are 
> variouse levels of automation and complexity that can be built, but if you 
> create a single tiddler that lists all tiddlers and renders them in the 
> single tiddler, you can "Open the resulting tiddler" in a new window and 
> use the browser print feature, with a Print to PDF printer to create PDF 
> files.
>
> The Editor tool bar Transclude option can help selecting tiddlers to 
> include in a master tiddler, but I would use tags or fields to indicate 
> chapter and sections and an advanced list macro to bring all the content 
> into the single "book" tiddler, ready for reviewing and printing. Perhaps, 
> For each draft save/copy  the tiddlywiki as a new file and continue editing.
>
> I would use tiddler names to describe content, and have chapter titles 
> etc... actually in the tiddler text.
>
> I will give this some more thought, as ultimately I would like such a tool 
> as well, however I am focusing on interactive work instructions rather than 
> books.
>
>
> Happy to discuss further.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:53:45 AM UTC+11, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'd like to mock up a book in TW - the input would be a TW
>> the output a nicely formatted book in HTML (or PDF -- but I'll be happy 
>> with
>> HTML for now)
>>
>> To fix my ideas I'd like the output to look like
>>
>> http://book.mixu.net/distsys/index.html
>>
>> Any tips of tag structures and so on to achieve this?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Writing a book

[TonyM]

Joe,

What you want can be achieved with native TiddlyWiki. Of course there are 
variouse levels of automation and complexity that can be built, but if you 
create a single tiddler that lists all tiddlers and renders them in the 
single tiddler, you can "Open the resulting tiddler" in a new window and 
use the browser print feature, with a Print to PDF printer to create PDF 
files.

The Editor tool bar Transclude option can help selecting tiddlers to 
include in a master tiddler, but I would use tags or fields to indicate 
chapter and sections and an advanced list macro to bring all the content 
into the single "book" tiddler, ready for reviewing and printing. Perhaps, 
For each draft save/copy  the tiddlywiki as a new file and continue editing.

I would use tiddler names to describe content, and have chapter titles 
etc... actually in the tiddler text.

I will give this some more thought, as ultimately I would like such a tool 
as well, however I am focusing on interactive work instructions rather than 
books.


Happy to discuss further.

Regards
Tony






On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:53:45 AM UTC+11, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to mock up a book in TW - the input would be a TW
> the output a nicely formatted book in HTML (or PDF -- but I'll be happy 
> with
> HTML for now)
>
> To fix my ideas I'd like the output to look like
>
> http://book.mixu.net/distsys/index.html
>
> Any tips of tag structures and so on to achieve this?
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>

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[tw] Re: Writing a book

[Steven Schneider]

Hey Joe, 

I'm also interested in this, and am in process of identifying key 
requirements, such as bibliographic citation and reference generator, and a 
structure to maintain order and sequentiality (assuming your "book" has 
some inherent order). 

Jeremy's text slicer edition does an interesting job using list fields to 
maintain order of a "sliced tiddler", but I find it a bit hard to navigate 
and rather difficult to maintain. One solution would be to modify the edit 
view so that the list field was treated more like the text field, so it 
wouldn't be so hard to manage.

If you pursue this, let's talk. I'm very interested in working with 
scholars and others who want to pursue these kinds of projects, and am 
always looking for collaborators.

//steve.



On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 12:12:07 PM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> Seems you're talking about a digital format as opposed to a book intended 
> for pretty print out on paper. That should not be overly difficult.
>
> "Tips for tag structures" - I suggest you just start and then correct 
> things as you go along.
>
> If I wrote a book I'd definitely look into this modification by Siniy-kit, 
> i.e a dragn'drop ToC:
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/siniy-kit%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/9yPVVMn5KJA/dHJNGbe6AgAJ
>
> I have not fooled around with it yet, just bookmarked if for 'a rainy day'.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Writing a book

[Mat]

Seems you're talking about a digital format as opposed to a book intended 
for pretty print out on paper. That should not be overly difficult.

"Tips for tag structures" - I suggest you just start and then correct 
things as you go along.

If I wrote a book I'd definitely look into this modification by Siniy-kit, 
i.e a dragn'drop ToC:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/siniy-kit%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/9yPVVMn5KJA/dHJNGbe6AgAJ

I have not fooled around with it yet, just bookmarked if for 'a rainy day'.

<:-)

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