[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-25 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
The irony is if I "Up-Vote" that comment I will fall into its fallout. On Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:46:36 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote: > > It will also be a short era. Once the AI start writing code, there will be > no need for us coffee-fied wetware interfaces. > > So enjoy the music while you may. >

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-25 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It will also be a short era. Once the AI start writing code, there will be no need for us coffee-fied wetware interfaces. So enjoy the music while you may. -- Mark On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 4:58:01 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > I should write sometime about how "software" can

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-25 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I should write sometime about how "software" can become more like music playing. I.e. you have a vast system of "instruments" in play, each of which has a history, a way of working. The art is in the mastery, at which level you can construct the new, and not repeat. Software is still fairly

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-25 Thread TonyM
Folks, A friendly rant. In any given structure, there tends to be an atomic smallest unit. In tiddlywiki this is the tiddler. This unit is so practical we tend to operate in this domain. In databases the minimum unit is a record, and people have to build larger structures such as client

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-24 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 9:10:14 AM UTC-7, Diego Mesa wrote: > > In a quote framework, I dont like the *idea* of having to come up with > some unique title to specify each quote. I'd rather have a quotes > *database* (tiddler) with *rows* (fields? bullet points in the text > field?) that I

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-24 Thread PMario
On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 6:10:14 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote: > > I agree Mario - having multiline fields will not solve this conceptual > problem - the problem being the relationship between titles and content in > a minimum information unit framework. > > The solution might not be multiline

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-24 Thread Jed Carty
You can use a data tiddler to hold the quotes and just give each one a numeric key that you increment each time. That way you don't have to worry about names and you can have multi-line quotes. You can't tag them individually that way but you could have one tiddler for each group of quotes.

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-23 Thread Diego Mesa
I agree Mario - having multiline fields will not solve this conceptual problem - the problem being the relationship between titles and content in a minimum information unit framework. The solution might not be multiline fields, instead its some way to *specify* and *access* some kind of "sub

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-23 Thread PMario
I did edit my previewous post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/nJVYWLmxEmk/fv3T5UZUCgAJ -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-23 Thread PMario
On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 3:31:18 AM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote: > > This is a good idea - but my concern is not so much about how to create > and ensure I have a unique title. Its more that these methods cause me to > question the entire *idea* and *meaning* of a tiddler title under these >

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-23 Thread PMario
On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 10:50:12 PM UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote: > > I (respectfully) disagree completely on having fields take up multiple > lines! > I think a combination of: > https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1947#issuecomment-261960097 > and >

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread TonyM
Diego, I have no such conumdrum, but I am looking at the edge cases, recently creating a unique field ID allowing references after a title change. One is unique for all time the other is unique at any moment in time. On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 11:31:18 AM UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote: > > Hey

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread RichardWilliamSmith
Hi Diego, You have stumbled upon the deep philosophical conundrum at the heart of tiddlywiki (and maybe the whole world) and one of the "two hardest problems in computer science" "There are 2 hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-1 errors

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread TonyM
Just to add Although a field can have only one line it can include or a reference to a text field which is multiline eg {{othertiddler}} -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread Diego Mesa
Hey David, This is a good idea - but my concern is not so much about how to create and ensure I have a unique title. Its more that these methods cause me to question the entire *idea* and *meaning* of a tiddler title under these circumstances On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 6:28:02 PM UTC-5,

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread David Gifford
I would have a new journal button that titles the journal down to the second. On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 1:28:35 PM UTC-5, Diego Mesa wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have a tiddler of "Important Quotes" with a bunch of bullet points of > interesting quotes Ive come across. I thought it would be

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I respectfully think you are right. I didn't mean they should. I meant it is an issue that one might want to store data with breaks. BUT I don't think its necessary the breaks go with it. Its more about the interaction with fields. Breaks can be re-constituted. The same issue applies to

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread Diego Mesa
I (respectfully) disagree completely on having fields take up multiple lines! I think a combination of: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1947#issuecomment-261960097 and https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3308 Would adequately address this! On Sunday, July 22,

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Comments on fields ... 1 -- you can set TW to show them even if not used (and reveal them outside the editor if you need) 2 -- you can move them to a different position in the editing interface 3 -- its possible to order them (if you need a lot) other than a-z. A fundamental problem is you

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-22 Thread Diego Mesa
Thank you all for your response and suggestion. For me, it seems like this brings into sharp focus the relationship between a minimum information unit (tiddler?) in TW and its requirements (title?). As Mark S said, I like thinking of a tiddler more as a database. If so, then it makes sense

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-20 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Yes, tiddlers have sub-parts. Each tiddler can be thought of as a record in a conventional database, where the title functions as a title, unique id, and visibility flag. There is only one field that corresponds to a blob or text field (i.e. the text field). Real databases may have more than

[tw5] Re: Quotes and Minimum Information Units as Tiddlers

2018-07-20 Thread Matthew Lauber
I would consider putting the quote (or the first line of the quote) as the title of the tiddler, the full quote as the body, and then including information like speaker, date spoken, location, etc, in fields. I'd also tag the tiddlers as "Quotes" so it's easy to find all of them. There's