Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-30 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:47:43 +0200 Peter Rosin wrote: > Den 2009-04-24 11:00 skrev Pierre Ossman: > > I feel a bit like every option results in ugly complexity somewhere. :/ > > > > The best option would be if we could extend the init sequence, but I'm > > not sure that's feasible. > > If you c

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-26 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2009-04-24 11:00 skrev Pierre Ossman: > I feel a bit like every option results in ugly complexity somewhere. :/ > > The best option would be if we could extend the init sequence, but I'm > not sure that's feasible. If you can live with a dependency on the tight security type, you're all set.

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-24 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:41:35 +0200 Peter Rosin wrote: > Den 2009-04-23 10:45 skrev Pierre Ossman: > > As I see it, there are three options here: > > > > 1. Keep the text as it is, making non-incr. a bit odd in that > >it will never give you any data directly. > > 2. Only send the

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-24 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2009-04-23 10:45 skrev Pierre Ossman: > On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:43:00 +0200 Peter Rosin wrote: >> Den 2009-04-22 16:34 skrev Pierre Ossman: >>> In case someone has already started looking at implementing this, >>> here's another update. >>> >>> Changed: >>> >>> - Require that the ExtendedDeskto

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-23 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:25:52 +0200 Pierre Ossman wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:34:51 +0200 > Pierre Ossman wrote: > > > - Clarify DesktopSize behaviour based on a survey of the major VNC > >implementations. > > Thinking more about this, I now believe that the RealVNC > implementation of

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-23 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:34:51 +0200 Pierre Ossman wrote: > - Clarify DesktopSize behaviour based on a survey of the major VNC >implementations. Thinking more about this, I now believe that the RealVNC implementation of DesktopSize is broken and incompatible with the earlier implementations l

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-23 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:43:00 +0200 Peter Rosin wrote: > Den 2009-04-22 16:34 skrev Pierre Ossman: > > In case someone has already started looking at implementing this, > > here's another update. > > > > Changed: > > > > - Require that the ExtendedDesktopSize is sent without any data > >upd

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-22 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2009-04-22 16:34 skrev Pierre Ossman: > In case someone has already started looking at implementing this, > here's another update. > > Changed: > > - Require that the ExtendedDesktopSize is sent without any data >updates. I think it would be useful to explicitely state somewhere that a

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension (v2)

2009-04-22 Thread Pierre Ossman
In case someone has already started looking at implementing this, here's another update. Changed: - Official numbers allocated. - Some minor clarifications for when both DesktopSize and ExtendedDesktopSize are used, for replies to SetDesktopSize and for the flags. - Require that the Ex

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-17 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:30:51 +0100 Pierre Ossman wrote: > > How do local equivalents behave? How does Windows or RandR respond to > an invalid change request? I haven't seen much more than "sod off" in > the way of helpfulness from those systems either. The only addition > might be that they can

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-17 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:55:45 +0100 Peter Rosin wrote: > > However, I still think 16 bits to be too little to deliver a useful > error response for something as complex as this and I wish you a happy > time telling users to read the manual of the server they are connecting > to when the client ge

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-17 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2009-03-13 13:01 skrev Pierre Ossman: > Hi, > > We've been working on client initiated screen size changes and need to > extend the protocol to do that. > > In order to minimise the number of extensions, we'd also like to > accommodate multi-head configurations with this new protocol. > > So

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-17 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2009-03-16 18:15 skrev Pierre Ossman: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:54:20 +0100 > Peter Rosin wrote: > >> Den 2009-03-16 15:00 skrev Pierre Ossman: >>> Annoying. Do they also rely on putting the conversion requirements on >>> the client? >> Yes. If a client claims support for WMVi, it has to suppor

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-17 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2009-03-16 11:45 skrev Pierre Ossman: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:44:07 +0100 > Peter Rosin wrote: > >> Hi Pierre! >> >> There is also the WMVi pseudo-encoding (0x574d5669, or "WMVi" in FourCC) >> to consider. A problem with this new proposal is that *both* WMVi and >> this multihead scheme are "

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-17 Thread Peter Rosin
Den 2009-03-16 15:00 skrev Pierre Ossman: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:29:38 +0100 > Peter Rosin wrote: > >> Den 2009-03-16 11:45 skrev Pierre Ossman: >>> That would be very against the RFB mentality, yes. But the wiki entry >>> you pointed to suggests that these encodings are just used for >>> "offli

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-16 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:54:20 +0100 Peter Rosin wrote: > Den 2009-03-16 15:00 skrev Pierre Ossman: > > > > Annoying. Do they also rely on putting the conversion requirements on > > the client? > > Yes. If a client claims support for WMVi, it has to support all pixfmts > (or disconnect on recepti

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-16 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:29:38 +0100 Peter Rosin wrote: > Den 2009-03-16 11:45 skrev Pierre Ossman: > > > > That would be very against the RFB mentality, yes. But the wiki entry > > you pointed to suggests that these encodings are just used for > > "offline" rendering. At that point there is no po

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-16 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:44:07 +0100 Peter Rosin wrote: > > Hi Pierre! > > There is also the WMVi pseudo-encoding (0x574d5669, or "WMVi" in FourCC) > to consider. A problem with this new proposal is that *both* WMVi and > this multihead scheme are "better than" the DesktopSize pseudo-encoding. >

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-13 Thread Pierre Ossman
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:37:18 -0500 DRC wrote: > While we're asking about protocol extensions, do we want to bring up > adding the TurboVNC extensions as well? These extensions are a superset > of the existing vnc-tight extensions, so I'm not sure if the RealVNC > list would even care. > We nee

Re: [Tigervnc-devel] VNC multihead and size change extension

2009-03-13 Thread DRC
While we're asking about protocol extensions, do we want to bring up adding the TurboVNC extensions as well? These extensions are a superset of the existing vnc-tight extensions, so I'm not sure if the RealVNC list would even care. Pierre Ossman wrote: > Hi, > > We've been working on client init