Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Dave Baxter
Hi... I use mostly NI GPIB cards adapters, but from the little work I've done with the HP/Agilent stuff, I think the same overall principle applies, re software development for instrument control. First step... Install the USBGPIB adapter drivers, tools and utilities Exactly as the instruction

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread David C. Partridge
Dave, I don't remember being your college tutor on this - in fact I never was a college teacher, but what you've laid out below is pretty much what I taught all the trainee programmers I had.You've done a very good job of putting it in a nutshell. The objective of the whole is to achieve

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie looking for GPSDO kit or Project sites

2009-10-14 Thread Don Key
There was also a project in Everyday Practical Electronics magazine for a GPS based frequency reference with 10MHz 1MHz outputs. Issues April May 09 had the frequency reference, and issue October 09 carried a project for a 1PPS driver for an analogue quartz clock. If I remember rightly, 1 or

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Jerome Peters
I have not yet met with success, but I have a little more experience ;) Since so many people have made helpful suggestions, I thought I'd include the current status. Just downloaded the most recent version of NI-488.2 version 2.5 off the NI website. It downloaded/unzipped/installed without any

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH)
Dave Baxter wrote: As my old college tutor kept trying to drum into us, the programs purpose and function should be easily read in the comments. The code is the translation from your comments, to get the machine to do your bidding. Document what you do, in the source comments, line by line

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter.

2009-10-14 Thread Dave Baxter
Two YEARS later? I sometimes have trouble understanding what I got working days ago! G But yes, that was what I was going on about.I also keep all my less than successful software projects and ideas, as often though the overall result was not what was wanted, plans changed, I ran out of

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 14/10/2009 11:16:12 GMT Daylight Time, jpet...@nvidia.com writes: Just downloaded the most recent version of NI-488.2 version 2.5 off the NI website. It downloaded/unzipped/installed without any apparent issue. The Devices and Interfaces - Measurement Automation

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'd be (happily) surprised if the NI libraries recognized Agilent devices. I think they only support their own cards though. There could also be a problem if you have both Agilent and NI support libraries installed. I ran into this on Linux when I tried to install the NI-provided drivers

[time-nuts] [OT] Software code: Was RE: Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Dave Baxter
Sorry Stefan.. Yes you are of course correct in that no compiler/interpreter (I know of) checks comments for correctness. But that's not the point of them. They need to be there to describe the intended purpose of the code, above the actual implementation. If you have to modify code (yours or

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
The standard I used in my department was that when anyone changed code, they commented out the original code and then entered their new code with a date and explanation of the change. That way you have the what and why the previous developer originally thought he was doing and what, when, and

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Dave Baxter
Jerome... As others have said, you *Must* use Agilent's software tools with their hardware, not NI's. There are other GPIB/IEEE488 software vendors who's tools can use NI's and other third party controller cards, but NI software will only be able to use NI hardware. So, you need to go find and

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal

2009-10-14 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Hello All, We aren't all made of money so here is the slow but free approach: Download Visual C# or VB, etc express version from Microsoft for free. http://www.microsoft.com/exPress/ Download visa + driver CD from NI for free.

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 10/14/09 5:46 AM, Mike Naruta AA8K a...@comcast.net wrote: The standard I used in my department was that when anyone changed code, they commented out the original code and then entered their new code with a date and explanation of the change. That way you have the what and why the

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Software code: Was RE: Getting GPIB to work onHP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread David C. Partridge
You want to try to work on code that started life as Borland C (from the DOS world) and is now C++ ... Actually, given my druthers, I think I really would prefer not to have to do that. It sounds like an exquisite form of torture, especially if it's not really C++ but is instead C with objects

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal

2009-10-14 Thread Stanley Reynolds
We aren't all made of money snip It may be worth taking a course at the local collage to qualify for the student license of Labview. I agree that it is not intuitive to use but some of that may be my past programing experience. Using Labview is very easy compared to writing your own drivers.

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal

2009-10-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Stanley: It turns out the many of the HP Panel Drivers include Labview code along with the HP VEE code, but they don't talk much about it. The key problem talking to older equipment with modern (fast) computers is the timing. Old instruments are much slower than today's computers so you

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread Tom Holmes, N8ZM
Jerome... I can appreciate the frustration you are experiencing with this. I don't like to do much programming anymore because of so many undocumented rules and procedures needed to make things work that ought to be simple. However, in your case, I think I can be of some help. The Agilent IO

[time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Luis Cupido
Hi, I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less) at microwaves lets say circa 12-18Ghz) Obviously with some resolution (let's say 100Khz step or in that order)(otherwise it would be a trivial exercise in the BW of the PLL

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 10/14/09 12:25 PM, Luis Cupido cup...@mail.ua.pt wrote: Hi, I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers that change frequency in few microseconds time (or less) at microwaves lets say circa 12-18Ghz) Obviously with some resolution (let's say 100Khz step or in

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Marco IK1ODO
At 21.54 14/10/2009, Jim Lux wrote: That's partly because fast frequency hoppers and frequency agile radars are export controlled, and that's one of the applications of a fast switching synthesizer. I had to repair some Comstron synthesizers - probably same problem, no docs around for those

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At least on paper you can run a DDS at VHF/UHF and put it into a (very) wideband PLL driving a 12-18 GHz VCO. As mentioned previously - spurs will be an issue. You also will need to get a hold of some DDS chips with GHz-ish clock rates. Bob -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Behalf Of Luis Cupido Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes Hi, I'm looking for the schemes used on the frequency synthesizers that change frequency in few microseconds time

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob Camp wrote: Hi At least on paper you can run a DDS at VHF/UHF and put it into a (very) wideband PLL driving a 12-18 GHz VCO. As mentioned previously - spurs will be an issue. You also will need to get a hold of some DDS chips with GHz-ish clock rates. One could use a suitably high

[time-nuts] Austron 2201 documentation help

2009-10-14 Thread Russell Rezaian
Hello all, I have just obtained an Austron 2201 GPS time and frequency receiver and I was hoping I might appeal to the good people here for pointers to manuals for the box. Downloadable is preferred, but I would happily pay to have one copied. Thank you! -- Russell

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread J. Forster
Take a look at the manuals for some commercial units as a place to start. The Ailtech 380s would go to 0 to 2 GHz w/ 0.1 Hz resolution in under 20 uS as I remember. -John At 21.54 14/10/2009, Jim Lux wrote: That's partly because fast frequency hoppers and frequency agile

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi For that matter, drive a microwave VCO with a couple high speed dac's. Calibrate the tuning curve as best you can and run an open loop synth. Appropriately summing a couple of 16 bit parts could give you KHz level steps. You can also dress it up a bit by running a pair of VCO's with one in

[time-nuts] Interesting and fun project

2009-10-14 Thread Robert Darlington
Hi guys, I wouldn't normally waste bandwidth with this kind of thing, but this is particularly cool and most definitely time related: http://www.eng.yale.edu/pep5/pocket_watch.html -Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] DIY Frequency extension for 53131A - Need help on OPT 050 - OPT 124

2009-10-14 Thread Samuel DEMEULEMEESTER
Hi timenuts, Sorry to reply to my old thread, but I promised to let you know about that project. 10 months after, I successfully reproduced the OPT 030 option without any problem. Now, I want to build my own prescaler design in order to produce some kits without having to bother about

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2201 documentation help

2009-10-14 Thread frledda
I have a 2201 sitting in my lab with antenna and manuals that I would like to sell for $300. Francesco Ledda Garland, Texas Oct 14, 2009 08:55:48 PM, [1]time-n...@febo.com wrote: Hello all, I have just obtained an Austron 2201 GPS time and frequency receiver and

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2201 documentation help

2009-10-14 Thread Russell Rezaian
Thanks! I would like to buy it from you. I have tried to send you a more detailed email off list. -- Russell At 4:48 PM -0500 2009/10/14, frle...@verizon.net wrote: I have a 2201 sitting in my lab with antenna and manuals that I would like to sell for $300. Francesco Ledda

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread John Miles
Pretuning is the right strategy, but for microsecond agility, YIGs may be the wrong choice due to their main-coil inductance. If I were building an agile 12-18 GHz synthesizer I'd try a heterodyne scheme with varactor-tuned oscillators and a fixed (or very coarsely tuned) YIG or DRO. Either way,

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Miles Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:44 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes Pretuning is

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread John Miles
Despite what all the hype will say, do not expect it to be Easy or Quick (whatever programming language you use, and I include LabView in that respect too!) Programming, and doing it well, in any language, for whatever reason, takes time and thought to get Just Right, so that all

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Luis Cupido
Thank you all by your replies. There are very good suggestions to investigate. The solutions that a DDS is a reference of large loop BW PLL may have indeed spurious issues and is not so attractive. The use of a DAC for coarse tune to get it near lock is to be considered yes... I'll detail a bit

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread Luis Cupido
I would use a DDS, but only for fine tuning in a summing loop. E.g., use a DAC to pretune the varactor or YTO to within 50 or so MHz, feed the sampler LO port with a clean 100 MHz crystal, then close the loop by comparing the sampler IF to the DDS-generated offset signal. This is a nice

Re: [time-nuts] fast freq. synthesis schemes

2009-10-14 Thread John Miles
Ooohh.. Sampling Phase Detectors or Harmonic Mixers.. The problem is that you have to hit them with a lot of power on the reference port (+20dBm wouldn't be unusual) Depending on your application, making that much LO power that is suitably quiet is a challenge. Presumably, though, you're

[time-nuts] PM 6681 COUNTER FOR SALE

2009-10-14 Thread jshank
Hi, I am selling my Fluke 6681 Counter. It is in very good condition, comes with operator and service manuals. $800 I will email pictures if interested. Jeff ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal

2009-10-14 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Dear All, To clarify, I was not comparing a quick app to read/set a HP 59309A digital clock with some of the awesome applications produced by the members of this group. Additionally, I would not recommend Visual basic for a large application either! My idea is to encourage everyone to roll

[time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread Mark Sims
The next version of Lady Heather has support for some bigger screen sizes.   Unfortunately the graphics library used cannot enter an arbitrary full screen video mode.  It needs to know what the screen res is before it can set a full screen video mode.   It can create a window of arbitrary

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread Scott Newell
At 10:50 PM 10/14/2009, Mark Sims wrote: The question is what is the maximum full screen resolution of your video monitor? If there is some consensus on screen sizes in use, I can optimize the code for maximum natural goodness... 1280x1024.

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread WB6BNQ
Mark, My screen sizes are 1900x1600 --- 1600x1200 --- 1024x768 BillWB6BNQ Mark Sims wrote: The next version of Lady Heather has support for some bigger screen sizes. Unfortunately the graphics library used cannot enter an arbitrary full screen video mode. It needs to know what the

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread WB6BNQ
Mark, Correct that to read 1920x1200 on the first one. BillWB6BNQ WB6BNQ wrote: Mark, My screen sizes are 1900x1600 --- 1600x1200 --- 1024x768 BillWB6BNQ Mark Sims wrote: The next version of Lady Heather has support for some bigger screen sizes. Unfortunately the graphics

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread John Miles
The next version of Lady Heather has support for some bigger screen sizes.  Unfortunately the graphics library used cannot enter an arbitrary full screen video mode.  It needs to know what the screen res is before it can set a full screen video mode.   It can create a window of arbitrary

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread Brian Kirby
1680x1050, another is 1280x1024, a laptop at 1152x864 another laptop at 1024x768. Mark Sims wrote: The next version of Lady Heather has support for some bigger screen sizes. Unfortunately the graphics library used cannot enter an arbitrary full screen video mode. It needs to know what the

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread Hal Murray
The question is what is the maximum full screen resolution of your video monitor?   If there is some consensus on screen sizes in use,  I can optimize the code for maximum natural goodness... There are several good screen sizes. In the old days, the magic numbers were either 1280x1024 or

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread John Allen
Laptop (wide screen) 1280 x 800 Netbook 1024 x 600 Desktops - a. 1024x768 b. 1280x1024 c. 1680x1050 John K1AE -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:50 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com