Re: [time-nuts] Digests too often...

2010-02-28 Thread Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)
Hi Matt, Thank you for your prompt reply, yes I understand, the problem these days is there are more and more mobility and poeple sending their emails to their mobile phones. May be an idea is to have two style of digests like heavy or lite, or another solution to offer users to choose the

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/Binputs

2010-02-28 Thread Ed Palmer
A few months ago I bought an HP 8647A signal generator that had the plastic shaft of an optical encoder sheared off at the bushing. I had to take the encoder apart and graft an aluminum shaft onto the stub of the plastic one. To my amazement, it worked! Ed Don Latham wrote: I've fixed

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-02-28 Thread Mike Feher
The 0032 was an op-amp and the 0033 and 0063 a buffer. The 0063 was a high power/higher slew-rate version. They were, and still are, great to use. I do have some 0032s and 0033s. Never played with the 0063. 73 - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That's the one, right down to the description of the pots. If it doesn't become a working counter, it's cheap enough to be a parts donor. Of course having multiple counters all with the exact same broken parts doesn't do much good . For the external arm level control I might go for a

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for a 5370 red digit cover/window

2010-02-28 Thread paul swed
Jim Worse case if you do not find the replacement Digi-key and I would guess mouser caries the filter material for a reasonable price. (At least they did) I needed some to replace a missing piece on a HP 5360 and HP 8505. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Jim Cotton jim.cot...@wmich.edu wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] My DIY frequency counter and a request for help

2010-02-28 Thread paul swed
You went quite?? On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Gerard you have some great comments already and welcome back to the electronics hobby. A couple of things. Curious about whats on the board etc. Here would be my thoughts. If the same 10 MC signal thats

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for a 5370 red digit cover/window

2010-02-28 Thread J. L. Trantham
I have a 5370B that is missing about half of it's red plastic digit cover/window and would like to repair it as well. Do you have a suggestion as to how to start searching Digi-Key and Mouser? Thanks, Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Putting The C on the feedback R in a positive gain setup is only going to take the roll off gain down to 1. Doing the same with an inverting amp or using a series R / cap to ground will drop the gain a lot more in the roll off region. I would worry about any resistor that's marked as 10K

Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO? (Heatpipe cooler)

2010-02-28 Thread Joe Gwinn
At 2:02 AM + 2/28/10, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:02:05 -0600 From: Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO? To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Message-ID:

Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO? (Heatpipe cooler)

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A few words of caution here. I have run compact rubidiums for a number of years. It is *very* tempting to skimp on the heat sink. Cooling something that's heating it's self up sounds silly. Having tried the not much heat sink approach several times (I'm a slow learner). The rubidium does

Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO?

2010-02-28 Thread Scott Mace
I have a Datum Rubidium Frequency Standard, which is a 1U aluminum chassis that is about 2mm thick. It contains a LPRO and a 24V/5V power supply with room to spare. I installed a Fury GPSDO and a small DC-DC converter in the same enclosure. The top cover is vented. The chassis stays

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for a 5370 red digit cover/window

2010-02-28 Thread paul swed
I found them in the led section Try led filter??? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:25 AM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote: I have a 5370B that is missing about half of it's red plastic digit cover/window and would like to repair it as well. Do you have a suggestion as to how to start searching

Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO? (Heatpipe cooler)

2010-02-28 Thread paul swed
An approach is to put just the rb unit in say the basement. Its always cooler (at least mine is) The area I work in can get pretty warm in the summer if I am gone for a week This approach solves that problem pretty well On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi A few

Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO? (Heatpipe cooler)

2010-02-28 Thread Ed Palmer
Joe Gwinn wrote: At 2:02 AM + 2/28/10, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:02:05 -0600 From: Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Rack-mounting an LPRO? To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Message-ID:

[time-nuts] DIY frequency counter help (Gerard PG5G)

2010-02-28 Thread Murray Greenman
Gerard, By now you've no doubt had more offers to assist than you need, and in particular from far more local enthusiasts than me. However, if I can help answer any particular points, I would be pleased to do so. My reason for suggesting this is that I have available a Pendulum CNT-90 counter,

[time-nuts] DIY Frequency Counter

2010-02-28 Thread Martyn Smith
Gerard, I just read your post about your DIY counter and asking for help. I'm not sure when you actually wrote it. I'm based in Chelmsford Essex and can give you some help. I have multiple frequency standards as well as 4 x SR620 timer counters. Let me know if I can be of help. Regards

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
My simulations indicate that terminating the Mixer IF port in an RF short (with both RF and LO ports saturated) increases the beat frequency zero crossing slope by more than a factor of 2 (exact value depends on mixer component characteristics) but doesnt significantly increase the beat

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/Binputs

2010-02-28 Thread Rex
Don Latham wrote: I've fixed shafts like this carefully with plastic swizzle sticks and super glue. Did I say carefully? a little dab'll do ya... Don It is a tricky business. The 5370A I got a while back, had what was left of the shaft glued into the bushing by an earlier repair attempt.

Re: [time-nuts] My DIY frequency counter and a request for help

2010-02-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Gerard, Gerard PG5G wrote: Hello all, First post here, so I'll start with a quick introduction. I trained as an electronic engineer but don't work in that field any more, which has given me the appetite back to do some electronic engineering as a hobby. I have been a licensed ham

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Here's some data: The setup is very simple: Two oscillators at 10 MHz driving common base / 50 ohm output buffers. The buffers ensure that the source impedance is really 50 ohms. One puts out 9.3 dbm the other 9.5 dbm. They can be tuned for a beat note in the 0 to 100 Hz range. The

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Left out: All the data was taken with a beat note of roughly 10.2 Hz Bob On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Here's some data: The setup is very simple: Two oscillators at 10 MHz driving common base / 50 ohm output buffers. The buffers ensure that the source

[time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-02-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
Rock I take to be crystal. How about gas and air? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:15 PM To: p...@b737.co.uk; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] My DIY frequency counter and a request for

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The results for the RPD-1's are about what I expected: there's little difference in slope between either a 50 ohm +47nF termination or a 47nF termination. The slopes are about 6.5x greater than the values given by Minicircuits. (8mv/degree = 2.88V/cycle). I assume that they use 500 ohms

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-02-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bill Hawkins wrote: Rock I take to be crystal. How about gas and air? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:15 PM To: p...@b737.co.uk; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] My DIY frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-02-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
Whack! (sound of hand hitting forehead) Gas must be Ru and Cs. How do you run your pneumatic clocks? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Bill Hawkins [mailto:b...@iaxs.net] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:34 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement';

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-02-28 Thread Stanley Reynolds
A while back we had a thread about Paris and a network of air synced clocks ? Stanley - Original Message From: Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 7:41:20 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Minicircuits guys claim 800 to 1000 mv / radian. In my units that would be 5 to 6.2 volts per cycle. I believe I'm getting ~ 3 X that mostly from the open circuit termination at audio. It's certainly something I could head back downstairs and check. The 10% increase in slope between

Re: [time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The winds in Sweden change directions in a *very* predictable fashion? Bob On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote: A while back we had a thread about Paris and a network of air synced clocks ? Stanley - Original Message From: Bruce Griffiths

[time-nuts] Rock, gas, and air

2010-02-28 Thread Murray Greenman
Probably hot air... Murray -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of time-nuts-requ...@febo.com Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 2:56 p.m. To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: time-nuts Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3 Send time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, RPD-1 #1 puts out 9.97 volts into a 500 ohm resistor to ground termination (no blocking capacitor). That's still well above the catalog spec. I'm running 25% more voltage than their 7 dbm. That still does not fully explain what I'm seeing. The scope does indeed indicate 15 volts when

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-02-28 Thread Dave hartzell
Today I have been trying to drive a 5370B directly from a TADD-2, with little luck (other HP freq counters seem to work OK). I was about to ask about it on this list, but noticed this thread. I guess this could explain why I am getting erroneous, random readings? Dave On Sat, Feb 27, 2010

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/Binputs

2010-02-28 Thread John Miles
What threshold are you using? If you leave it set to preset/0 volts, you may find that crosstalk between outputs on the TADD-2 cause false triggering. I usually use the divide-by-10 setting with the threshold set to about 0.25V. It also helps to remove the jumpers from any outputs on the TADD-2

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-02-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The TADD-2 output drivers exhibit significant ringing and crosstalk due to ground and Vcc bounce. To minimise crosstalk dedicate each 74AC04 output device to a single frequency and load. Because of the ringing setting the trigger threshold is more critical than usual. No damage occurs

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Unless Minicircuits have made significant changes to the RPD-1 there has to be some kind of calibration error or an as yet poorly understood effect. Did you try the load and filter shown in the attached application note? Replicating Minicircuits measurements within 10% or so is probably

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/Binputs

2010-02-28 Thread Dave hartzell
Thanks for the tips John. Do you use the 50 ohm or 1M ohm settings with the TADD-2? Dave On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:42 PM, John Miles jmi...@pop.net wrote: What threshold are you using? If you leave it set to preset/0 volts, you may find that crosstalk between outputs on the TADD-2 cause

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-02-28 Thread Dave hartzell
Thanks for the tips Bruce. Is there a better version of the 74AC04? It sounds like I should also use an attenuator, perhaps 3 - 10 dB... Dave On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: The TADD-2 output drivers exhibit significant ringing and

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving5370A/Binputs

2010-02-28 Thread John Miles
If you drive it from 50-ohm coax, you need to use the 50-ohm setting, or the resulting reflections may cause trouble. The 74AC04s in the TADD-2 are happy enough driving 50 ohms, so that's the best way to go. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Achieving maximum performance when driving 5370A/B inputs

2010-02-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
You could substitute a 74AHC04 which has better control of ground and Vcc bounce. At least they are specified. At least a 3dB attenuator with a 5370B. at least 11dB with a 5370A. Or just use the built in 20dB (10x) attenuator. Bruce Dave hartzell wrote: Thanks for the tips Bruce. Is there a