Re: [time-nuts] WWVB NIST Radio Time Receiver

2010-10-20 Thread mike cook
horses for courses. All the commercial atomic clocks clocks I have seen only do time corrections every hour to save on the battery consumption. With one of these receivers ( there is even a link to a homebrew clock project on the referenced page comments tab) you get continuous time code

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB NIST Radio Time Receiver

2010-10-20 Thread Hal Murray
All the commercial atomic clocks clocks I have seen only do time corrections every hour to save on the battery consumption. I thought it was only once per day, around 2 AM where the propagation was best. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB NIST Radio Time Receiver

2010-10-20 Thread WB6BNQ
Mike, Yes the commercial units only check every so often. That is a function of the processor that is controlling the display and NOT specifically the receiver portion. The point is that you could have the receiver AND also have a display too boot for little extra money ! You can always go

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB 60 kHz Loop Antenna Progress

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net wrote: As I understand it, 60 KHz information is so slow that phase information is critical. Take a look at the Synchronous Demodulator that is listed with the Black Hole Ant. info. http://www.unusualresearch.com/Sutton/sutton.htm

[time-nuts] Some info on the ACAM TDC and a question to Brooks Shera's PI controller

2010-10-20 Thread Achim Vollhardt
Dear Group, it might be of interest, that I have some measured data on the ACAM TDC-GP2 chip, which I am using for another project in our lab here. Single shot resolution of 54 ps rms was quickly achieved, which is close enough to the 50 ps quoted in the datasheet for me to believe it :) As I

Re: [time-nuts] Some info on the ACAM TDC and a question to Brooks Shera's PI controller

2010-10-20 Thread Achim Vollhardt
I(k) = (E(k)+E(k-1))*Ki*Ts/2 + I(k-1) P(k) + Kp*E(k) Sorry.. it must read of course: I(k) = (E(k)+E(k-1))*Ki*Ts/2 + I(k-1) P(k) = Kp*E(k) 73s Achim, DH2VA ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium standard prices

2010-10-20 Thread J. L. Trantham
Perrier, Where are you located? I have been 'hooked' on CS standards for a couple of years now and have 9 functioning units, all HP, mostly 5061A's but also two 5061B's. I also have two complete units with dead tubes and another parts beast. The important parameters are Beam Current and Ion

Re: [time-nuts] 60KHz Antenna Cont'd

2010-10-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's the page I wrote years ago on the split-shield antenna: http://www.febo.com/time-freq/wwvb/antenna/index.html Unfortunately, I never took any photos and the antenna is now in pieces after a couple of moves. I've also had good luck using an active voltage probe antenna to receive both

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB 60 kHz Loop Antenna Progress

2010-10-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bill: I'm interested in using the C-Max RF front end for a clock application where the time information is the goal, not like using the HP 117 for frequency/phase info. http://www.prc68.com/I/Loop.shtml#CMMR6P60 http://www.prc68.com/I/117A.shtml But if you live on either coast of the U.S.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB 60 kHz Loop Antenna Progress

2010-10-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: Has anyone built one of the black hole antennas? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Bob Paddock wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: But then again, avoid the issue and go for a black hole antenna amplifier.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB NIST Radio Time Receiver

2010-10-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Brice: That's the C-Max RF front end, see my page for the US version: http://www.prc68.com/I/Loop.shtml#CMMR6P60 they also make versions for the other LF time signals at 40, 60 or 77.5 kHz. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Heathkid wrote: Has anyone here bought one of

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium standard prices

2010-10-20 Thread Jason Rabel
I know there was a 5061B listed on Fleabay a couple times and never sold (I think I even saw it on Craigslist)... It's located in Houston, TX... IIRC their offices are relatively close to me, I would be more than willing to drive down there and test out this unit and report back any numbers /

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium standard prices

2010-10-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Perrier: The problem is that the Cs beam tube is similar to a filament light bulb, i.e. it has a limited life. Most of the used Cs standards that are on the market have worn out tubes. The 5060 is a very crude first generation standard see: http://www.prc68.com/I/5060A.html for more

Re: [time-nuts] Some info on the ACAM TDC and a question to Brooks Shera's PI controller

2010-10-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear Achim, On 10/20/2010 03:58 PM, Achim Vollhardt wrote: Dear Group, it might be of interest, that I have some measured data on the ACAM TDC-GP2 chip, which I am using for another project in our lab here. Single shot resolution of 54 ps rms was quickly achieved, which is close enough to the

Re: [time-nuts] TestEquipTrader Cont’d

2010-10-20 Thread Pete Lancashire
Lother He who stuffed me $400 in HP gear that I now don't need. if anyone is interested in details and the legal action I may take for the principal and the 'fun' email me -pete On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: Gents, Wrote: 1. TestEquipTrader is

[time-nuts] GPSDO Comparisons

2010-10-20 Thread Ziggy
I did some searching (perhaps ineffectively) of the archives, looking for some discussion of the merits of the different GPSDO products that we commonly see on auction sites. I've seen some discussions of individual models, but nothing that really discusses the differences, and why one unit

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Comparisons

2010-10-20 Thread J. L. Trantham
First point is a question, what are you going to use it for? Stable reference? Precision timing? Etc. Second point is, in essence, 'a man with one watch knows what time it is, a man with two (or more) watches is never really quite sure'. That said, I would opt for the cheapest that will

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Comparisons

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As long as they are locked, they will follow GPS's ups and downs. In holdover there are some differences, but who plans to go into holdover... The newer receivers are more sensitive / lock faster than the stuff from the 90's. They also *seem* to be lower jitter/wander. Weather that's true

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium standard prices

2010-10-20 Thread J. L. Trantham
Jason, The best place to start is to look at the 5061B manual the operating portion of which can be found on the internet. Simple things would be to put the Mode switch in the CS Off position, plug it in, and then watch the meter indications. If everything is working correctly, the Supply

[time-nuts] Cesium standard, Fluke 207, and Spectracom 8163 Sold

2010-10-20 Thread Bill Hawkins
The items have been sold to a local buyer. I'm an old man looking to lighten the load that anchors me here, not a dealer willing to ship anywhere. Thanks for your interest. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB NIST Radio Time Receiver

2010-10-20 Thread Heathkid
Bill, That wasn't the point. I have several ATOMIC clock's from the 'mart, r-shack, you name it... and they don't keep any more accurate time than most of my wind up mechanical watches (sorry, I don't like quartz) unless I pull the batteries and have them at a decent receiving location!