Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Not true, the configuration is loaded from EEPROM to RAM on power up. Bruce Azelio Boriani wrote: By preload I think you mean the configuration step of the logic. It seems that the Xilinx one stops the clock after the configuration is done. Anyway using small EEPROM based CPLDs you have no

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread cfo
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:03:20 -0700, Jerry Mulchin wrote: You might want to take a look at the Atmel XMEGA parts. Far more capabilities than the ATMega parts. Watch out . If using an Xmega make sure to select the U ... Usb ones. Most of the non U parts have an errata list longer than the

[time-nuts] HP 10811D question

2012-04-28 Thread Christopher Brown
I have a 5370B with a -60111, and a 5335 with a dead 10544. I also have a 10811D sitting on the desk. I have been through the 10811A/B manual, and what looks like an extension for the D/E and various -XXX versions. It looks to me like the D is a drop in replacement for the A, but did not see

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
configuration is loaded from EEPROM to RAM on power up For every kind of logic? Even for the simplest XC3000 series (and the Altera equivalent EPM3000 series) small EEPROM CPLD? On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:04 AM, cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:03:20 -0700, Jerry Mulchin

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811D question

2012-04-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
By checking the 10811A/B manual and the 10811D/E specifications they are perfectly equal. Pinout is the same as can be seen here http://www.qsl.net/d/dk7nt/cro/download/5091-1639E.pdf compared with www.hparchive.com/Manuals/HP-10811AB-Manual.pdf On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Christopher

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread MailLists
I guess you wanted to refer to the old XPLA PZ3k/5k CoolRunner series bought from Philips, renamed XCR3k/5k, and later enhanced to XPLA3/XCR3kXL, not the antique FPGA family XC3k... (C)PLDs don't need an external memory for configuration storing, it's internal. There are also some Lattice,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/28/2012 02:39 AM, Hal Murray wrote: The quake talk was not on line so I watched the one on Climate Change and it's impact on N. California. Interesting, but no human impact data, only wildlife. It's up now. http://online.wr.usgs.gov/calendar/2012/apr12.html For a good time sink,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/27/12 5:39 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Back to somewhat time-nutty stuff... Does anybody understand how they are using GPS and/or have performance numbers? They don't need the actual position (DC), just the changes in position. They need it now. They can't wait for post processing. I'm not

[time-nuts] Online article mentioning this list

2012-04-28 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
http://www.isgtw.org/feature/open-hardware-creating-more-open-world Includes photo of the Atomic Wristwatch! Regards, -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208     http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Google for: high rate gps seismology You will find many wonderful papers that describe this new field. Start with: http://www.colorado.edu/engineering/GPS/Larson_Seismology2009.pdf /tvb (iPhone4) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Hal: In the talk there was a slide showing a comparison between ground position calculated from an accelerometer and a real time precision GPS. The Accelerometer is AC coupled and so misses the DC coupled GPS answer that shows the permanent ground movement. I'm guessing it takes a GPS

[time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread Ed Palmer
First, I'd like to thank Magnus, Joe, Paul, and Ed for taking the time to provide answers, ideas, and challenges to my assumptions. It has all been very helpful. I'm still working on it so I don't have a resolution yet. Second, pictures. If anyone is interested, check out

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread shalimr9
I have not studied CPLDs but Actel has the only true Flash based FPGAs. The flash cells directly control the FPGA fabric. As such, they are mostly immune to Single Event Upset that plagues just about any other FPGA technology, and there is no configuration step at power up. Didier KO4BB Sent

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread paul swed
Ed Several comments Great pix with the right level of detail to actually see and analyze stuff. Second what a find you have there. A real mans RB nothing small about the gas cells. Good also to see many what I consider to be common components of the late 60s and 70s. Also I noticed little or no

Re: [time-nuts] Online article mentioning this list

2012-04-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
Yes, that photo of Billy with my 5071 has always been a favorite. http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/ There's a lesser known one too... http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-tom/ /tvb - Original Message - From: Sanjeev Gupta gha...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooke, In the papers they were getting some results with even 1 Hz sampling, but, as expected, 10 Hz was better. That's probably sufficient for seismic waves; 100 Hz is overkill. See Figure 5 of the Larson paper I for a nice example of the AC vs. DC coupling that you mentioned. I also agree

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811D question

2012-04-28 Thread Christopher Brown
Thanks for the cross-check (and the links)! The 5091-1639E.pdf datasheet was the piece I was missing. The only D/E docs I had found were advert and per - sub model stability specs. No pinout, voltage, schema info. On 4/28/12 4:31 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: By checking the 10811A/B manual

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Ed, nice pix, thanks. Looking at the Elko Varicon I have in hand (DXX455-1000-3) the contacts are essentially hermaphroditic. This chassis mount housing gives up its contacts fairly easily, just unbend a tab to release. Turn them 90 degrees and you have something that works like the mating PCB

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Yes, I should have been more specific. The details about the state machine clock behaviour aren't on the datasheet and were obtained by asking Xilinx. The reason for using CMOS RAM to controll the CPLD interconnections is to reduce the static power consumption well below that possible when

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/28/12 12:10 PM, shali...@gmail.com wrote: I have not studied CPLDs but Actel has the only true Flash based FPGAs. The flash cells directly control the FPGA fabric. As such, they are mostly immune to Single Event Upset that plagues just about any other FPGA technology, and there is no

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: The USGS talk was the first time I'd heard about the need to look at an earthquake as happening along some length of fault line. For the big quake in Japan the forecast software assumed a point source for the quake and that cause them to under estimate the magnitude and get other

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread Ed Palmer
Paul, On 4/28/2012 1:26 PM, paul swed wrote: Ed Several comments Great pix with the right level of detail to actually see and analyze stuff. Second what a find you have there. A real mans RB nothing small about the gas cells. Exactly. I can use this as an experimental platform for various

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread Ed Palmer
Bob, On 4/28/2012 2:33 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Ed, nice pix, thanks. Looking at the Elko Varicon I have in hand (DXX455-1000-3) the contacts are essentially hermaphroditic. This chassis mount housing gives up its contacts fairly easily, just unbend a tab to release. Turn them 90 degrees

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread shalimr9
By the way, Actel is now part of Microsemi, with all that it entails. Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:19:40 To:

[time-nuts] PICDIV for 1 min pulses

2012-04-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts (and Tom in particular), I am now seeing the effects of the article a few days earlier. At least two friends wants to play around. One of my friends wants to drive a classic clock from a rubidium. I recommended him to take a look at the PICDIV and he kind of liked it. So,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brooke, Right, an overloaded accelerometer is a problem -- if you have only one or a few of them. But the beauty of using cellular sites is that you have hundreds or thousands of them across populated areas; so it's no problem if the a bunch of sensors near the epicenter overload. A clipped

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: They do use two different seismometers at each location, a large movement and a sensitive. http://www.prc68.com/I/Seismometer.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/Clarke4Congress.html Tom Van Baak wrote: Brooke, Right, an overloaded

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Ed, On 04/29/2012 12:11 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: Paul, On 4/28/2012 1:26 PM, paul swed wrote: Ed Several comments Great pix with the right level of detail to actually see and analyze stuff. Second what a find you have there. A real mans RB nothing small about the gas cells. Exactly. I can use

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread bownes
WIWAUG (when I was an under grad), it was explained to me that the seismometers were log scale and basically don't clip. When you get into a big event, the last few decimal places just don't matter. We also used differential GPS across known fault lines to measure slip both over time and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/28/12 3:32 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Related to that, are there any seismometer experts on the list? I've always wondered why they don't augment the extremely sensitive detectors with less sensitive detectors? Of course a really good detector will overload; so just co-locate cheap detectors

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Ed, On 04/28/2012 08:43 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: First, I'd like to thank Magnus, Joe, Paul, and Ed for taking the time to provide answers, ideas, and challenges to my assumptions. It has all been very helpful. I'm still working on it so I don't have a resolution yet. Happy to help, while not

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread Mark Spencer
In the early 1980's I visited the dominion radio astronomy observatory in Canada.I observed a bunker like structure and asked my host what it contained, he advised me that it housed a special seismograph that would only be of use in the event of a large earth quake. Sent from my iPod

[time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts

2012-04-28 Thread Gordon Batey
Greetings to the time keepers, We used to use those connectors way back in the dark ages in GE Numerical Controlled machine tool controls to connect daughter boards to the mother board as I recall. It is a bifurcated (?) connector and We called them ELCO connectors. Check

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread bg
Hi Brooke, Hi Tom: They do use two different seismometers at each location, a large movement and a sensitive. http://www.prc68.com/I/Seismometer.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/Clarke4Congress.html It is a bit fun that the

Re: [time-nuts] Antique Rb Standard - Thanks, Pictures, Parts Request, Question

2012-04-28 Thread paul swed
Other thing I have no clue to. What happens to photocells after X years. I suspect they degrade also. Since thats the frontend of the rcvr that would do quite a number. Regards On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hi Ed, On 04/28/2012 08:43 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread David J Taylor
I enjoyed the talk, thanks to the OP for pointing it out. Of course, I would have liked more detail on the GPS! 73, David GM8ARV -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk