Where did you get this idea from? Not only is shipping not free, but the
official carrier (China Post) is quite expensive - to the point where
many people will either use private couriers (for Chinese internal
shipments) or will courier things to HK and send them via HK post (for
international
There is already a time scale that is extensively used that has no leap
seconds - GPS. Software could use that rather than UTC for its root time.
David
On 7/2/12 1:59 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message20120702025355.ga22...@puck.nether.net, Majdi S. Abbas writes:
On Mon, Jul 02, 2012
In message 4ff166e7.1060...@alum.dartmouth.org, David McGaw writes:
There is already a time scale that is extensively used that has no leap
seconds - GPS. Software could use that rather than UTC for its root time.
For all purposes GPS = TAI + constant, and it would be a lot easier
to get the
Hi,
This is the log from my gpstm.
I is possible clean the UTC offset
23:59:41 604796 -2.63992e-009 0.078042 3.125811
38.284649 5
23:59:42 604797 -2.67206e-009 0.007611 3.125801
38.284245 5
23:59:43
I'm not a huge fan of leap seconds for enterprise computing enviornments unless
there is a regulatory or other legal requirement for the system time to exactly
match legal time.
I'm quite happy that my own personal time server didn't support the leap second
(:
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Hi,
From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
Testing software for correct handling of leap-seconds is a major undertaking
which very few people have the kit and skill to do.
A software that crashes/behaves badly when the time is updated is a bad
software.
Bye,
Jean-Louis
In message 6A49BBA9110943DEA397D3F7929F32E3@garadm, Jean-Louis Noel writes:
Hi,
From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
Testing software for correct handling of leap-seconds is a major undertaking
which very few people have the kit and skill to do.
A software that crashes/behaves badly
Hi,
From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
Yes, platitudes like that make for good sound-bites, but it doesn't
bring us any closer to a solution.
I am not considering timescale.
What happens to your system if you set the clock in the past by hand?
Mine continues working has it should be.
David McGaw n1...@alum.dartmouth.org wrote:
There is already a time scale that is extensively used that has no leap
seconds - GPS. Software could use that rather than UTC for its root time.
This just moves the problem. The software still has to use UTC when
talking to the rest of the world.
Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.com wrote:
I seem to remember someone from NPL telling me that they actually increment
the each of the last 10 seconds before the epoch by 100mS, rather than
putting in one whole second.
For which systems? That isn't how MSF works, or the telephone time
Considering how slowly the seconds accumulate, 99.99% of the population
wouldn't even notice that sunrise was what, 30 seconds off over the course
of a century?
The very few that do need to keep track of the rotations of the Earth
precisely could easily do so using a library routine that
On 7/1/12 2:43 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
Tom,
Chris,
The HP 5065A is one of the best Rb ever made.
/tvb (iPhone4)
Have you or any other list member had the opportunity to take measurements
on the ElmerPerkin/EGG Space rubidiums (in a lab environment)?
On 7/1/12 10:54 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 4ff0f373.1020...@pacific.net, Brooke Clarke writes:
Would you rather have these minor problems or have a much bigger
one when they make a larger correction?
But isn't that exactly why it is a problem ?
News coverage of leapseconds are
-Original Message-
From: Jim Lux
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 2:02 PM
[]
http://www.excelitas.com/Downloads/DTS_Frequency_Standards_RAFS.pdf
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are those the ones in GPS satellites? (for instance?)
=
Jim,
The Galileo satellites
Hi:
The Heathkit GC1000 Most Accurate Clock makes the daylight saving time 1 hour change when Colorado changes time, not
when your time zone should make the change so it's off 1 hour for a few hours on two days a year.
http://www.prc68.com/I/HeathkitGC1000.shtml
Does the GPS receiver know to
In message 4ff19d3c.4050...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes:
which is an interesting thing.. if instead of DST (for which I think
there's little practical reason to have in the first place).. say you
just shifted the clock one minute earlier or later each day, gradually
moving it to the new
On 7/2/12 6:19 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 4ff19d3c.4050...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes:
which is an interesting thing.. if instead of DST (for which I think
there's little practical reason to have in the first place).. say you
just shifted the clock one minute earlier or later
Seem to remember they had a bug in them. Thought it had been fixed
Rob
-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Bert, VE2ZAZ
Sent: 01 July 2012 01:44
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Leap Second on Datum ExacTime
I know this is hard for you Mike, try and pay attention.
Mike S wrote:
On 7/2/2012 8:36 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:
Why put everyone on Earth at risk when it isn't even close to necessary?
Are you arguing the Luddite POV? All non-trivial software has faults, so why
risk
using it?
On 7/2/2012 9:41 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:
I know this is hard for you Mike, try and pay attention.
Are insults really a necessary part of your argument?
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On 7/2/2012 9:28 AM, Jim Lux wrote:
but if we ARE going to establish artificial connections between wall
clock time (work hours, store opening times, bar closing times, etc.)
and the sun, why not do it gradually.
Time and the sun are certainly a _natural_ connection, not an artificial
one.
On 7/2/12 7:08 AM, Mike S wrote:
On 7/2/2012 9:28 AM, Jim Lux wrote:
but if we ARE going to establish artificial connections between wall
clock time (work hours, store opening times, bar closing times, etc.)
and the sun, why not do it gradually.
Time and the sun are certainly a _natural_
Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote:
which is an interesting thing.. if instead of DST (for which I think there's
little practical reason to have in the first place).. say you just shifted the
clock one minute earlier or later each day, gradually moving it to the new
alignment relative to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18672173
Rob
-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Tony Finch
Sent: 02 July 2012 16:26
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay
Hi Mike,
Clearly when you called me a Luddite you were passing me a
complement?
For whatever reason, you have taken it upon yourself to behave
like an ass towards me whenever I post on this group. Don't be
surprised when I respond to your impolite behavior.
The argument is simple. There is
On 7/2/2012 1:04 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
Clearly when you called me a Luddite you were passing me a
complement?
I called you no such thing. I asked if you were arguing from that point
of view, since you were arguing against using technology because of the
risk. That seems to be characterized
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
Just make everybody use TAI and make T-O-D alignment a cultural
thing rather than a numerological superstition?
No. Not every body - every computer.
Let the fragile, programmer-bound computer systems, like transaction
time-stamping for high frequency stock trading, use
Are insults really a necessary part of your argument?
Are you arguing the Luddite POV?
I was text chatting with my wife when I mentioned how hot it was here in
Kunar Province. She told me that lots of places are having a heat wave.
I guess the temps are affecting some people.
So what did I do
Hi
Yes, I have poked at the early ones (1980's). They are the only thing I have
seen that will beat the HP 5065. There is also a lot of published data on them.
Bob
On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:43 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
Tom,
Chris,
The HP 5065A is one of the best Rb ever made.
/tvb
On 07/02/2012 03:18 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote:
Hi:
The Heathkit GC1000 Most Accurate Clock makes the daylight saving time 1
hour change when Colorado changes time, not when your time zone should
make the change so it's off 1 hour for a few hours on two days a year.
How do the older Efratom FRK series fair compared to the 5065A?
Robert G8RPI.
From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2012, 20:48
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-5065a advise
Hi
The FRK's (of any era) are not quite as good as a properly running 5065A on
short term stability.
Bob
On Jul 2, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote:
How do the older Efratom FRK series fair compared to the 5065A?
Robert G8RPI.
From:
I talked with a guy that runs a company in China that makes flashlights. He
says that he gets reimbursed for his export shipping costs on items made in
China. That is why you see almost all stuff that is made in and shipped from
China on Ebay with free shipping.
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I have a few hundred Amphenol BNC bulkhead jacks available for sale. They are
part 31-221-RFX1 and are new in factory bags. I'm asking $1 each + shipping.
I'm the US and I will ship worldwide. I accept money orders, PayPal, and credit
cards. Please contact me off list if you are interested.
Magnus seen here in his recent trip to NIST is an obvious giant in the field of
Time and Freq Metrology. Shown here in Peak Search mode.
Thomas Knox
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I think he was winding you up. I lived in China for several years and
dealt with a lot of people that did international shipping, and I have
never heard of this - I have, however, seen a lot of people ship stuff via
HK for cost reasons.
Regards,
Pete
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:29 AM, Mark Sims
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