Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
Can't compare the Z3805A to the HP58503A but I have found in the archives that the Z3805A has a 16 channel GPS receiver and it is better to find the Symmetricom labeled one as it has a real double-oven OCXO. According to a 2010 time-nut message the Z3805A is almost the same as the TBolt. On Sat,

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, I've got at least one of all of these sitting in the basement. They are a very much mixed bag. Some of the HP's are quite good. Others not so much. The variation isn't so much model to model. They vary unit to unit. The TBolt's vary by year. Roughly they group as pre-2001, 2001 to 2003,

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread EWKehren
Not being a time nut but a frequency nut I lack some of the time test equipment, but my partner on our joint development work makes up for it. So he among other things recently looked at the 1 pps output of the Tbolt against a Cesium. Using a HP 5352A with 500 samples over 50% are within +-

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you stretch out to 10,000 samples and watch over a full 24 hour period, you likely will see some in the +/-1.5 ns region. Bob On Sep 8, 2012, at 11:06 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Not being a time nut but a frequency nut I lack some of the time test equipment, but my partner on our

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt temperature sensor [WAS: Recommendations for a newbie?]

2012-09-08 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bob wrote: The strange temperature chip in the later TBolts isn't much of an issue. The chip is poorly located for temperature control. It only seems to impact the plots on Lady Heather. Trimble wasn't bothered enough by it to patch the firmware. My experience is consistent with this.

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread EWKehren
For a GPS receiver that is in my book acceptable but then I am not a time-nut. I use that signal to discipline Rb's. Works for me. Bert Kehren In a message dated 9/8/2012 12:47:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, li...@rtty.us writes: Hi If you stretch out to 10,000 samples and watch over a

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Said wrote (re: eBay 58503As): they work well for me, look brand-new, and came with power supply, rs-232 cable, and antenna. I think it's a 5V antenna. The unit had about 37000 on the lifetime. The seller has close up photos, that's what the units look like. I plugged in the power, ran GPSCon

[time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-08 Thread Florian Teply
Hi fellow time nuts, quite soon I'll have to come up with a clever idea to characterize a few chips of a 130nm BiCMOS technology for transients. Unfortunately, I'll have to look at something on the order of five dozen outputs per chip, all at the same time. If money and development time was no

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-08 Thread Marek Peca
Hello, On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Florian Teply wrote: (..) But then I'll have to throw a few hundred Time Interval Counters at the problem in order to get the information on the duration of the transients. So in general, amplitude information comes from the comparator trigger levels, time

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Robert Liesenfeld
Wow, thank you everyone for the wealth of information and advice. It sounds like for my needs, either the TBolt or HP Z-box will do just fine, and cost is going to be more of a driver than anything else. It seems that the HPs are more plentiful on a certain well-known auction site, but

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-08 Thread Florian Teply
Hello, Am Sat, 8 Sep 2012 19:41:28 +0200 (CEST) schrieb Marek Peca ma...@duch.cz: (..) But then I'll have to throw a few hundred Time Interval Counters at the problem in order to get the information on the duration of the transients. So in general, amplitude information comes from the

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-08 Thread Marek Peca
Hello, Well, for the CMOS stuff 100ps should do just fine. Of course, less is better, but there's only so much one can reasonably do for so many channels... Even a PICTIC should be able to do better than 500 ps for a single channel. From what I've read, a few hundred units of HP5370 should

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
The HP5352A has a 2nS single shot resolution: how can you have 300pS or 1nS measures? On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Robert Liesenfeld xu...@xunil.net wrote: Wow, thank you everyone for the wealth of information and advice. It sounds like for my needs, either the TBolt or HP Z-box will do

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Said Jackson
Charles, Not sure why this is confusing to you, he clearly explains all the differences in the description, and what is shown in the photos is exactly what I received. The z3805A based units cost more than Z3801As, and the ones with one or two 1pps and 10Mhz outputs cost slightly more. He

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

2012-09-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Florian, On 09/08/2012 07:34 PM, Florian Teply wrote: Hi fellow time nuts, quite soon I'll have to come up with a clever idea to characterize a few chips of a 130nm BiCMOS technology for transients. Unfortunately, I'll have to look at something on the order of five dozen outputs per chip,

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread EWKehren
Sorry my mistake 5372A I will send you the data direct Bert Kehren In a message dated 9/8/2012 6:15:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, azelio.bori...@screen.it writes: The HP5352A has a 2nS single shot resolution: how can you have 300pS or 1nS measures? On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:08 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You will have a tough time with the 5372 running the longer time spans… Bob On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:08 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Sorry my mistake 5372A I will send you the data direct Bert Kehren In a message dated 9/8/2012 6:15:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/09/2012 03:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi You will have a tough time with the 5372 running the longer time spans… Yes and no. Using the 5372A internal memory, you have 8192 memory positions to play with. You can mitigate that by parametrisation, Fast Port or just use it as a triggered

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It would be nice if somebody came up with a fast port adaptation to one of the standard data collection programs. Bob On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 09/09/2012 03:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi You will have a tough time with the 5372

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Said wrote: Not sure why this is confusing to you, he clearly explains all the differences in the description I don't see anyplace where he explains all the differences, clearly or otherwise. And as I said, ALL of the descriptions I've seen (including the descriptions of the Z3805-based

Re: [time-nuts] Recommendations for a newbie?

2012-09-08 Thread Said Jackson
Charles, Because you make and post negative assumptions about a seller without any first hand experience based on your opinion on what you consider a sub-par EBay listing by a non-English seller. I'd be very reluctant to count on finding anything specific inside the housing This is close