Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread gary
Do you have a manual? http://www.marubun.co.jp/product/network/ntp/qgc18e010oqg-att/TS2100_2.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread Martin A Flynn
This is the low-budget version without the front panel display (TS2100L) On 2/21/2013 11:03 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: Use the buttons on the front panel to drill down into the setup menu and find the dhcp setting. Have fun On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Martin A Flynn mafl...@theflynn.org

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread Lizeth Norman
Martin, You're left with telnet and rs-232. The docs available on the net seem to indicate it's more trouble to build the cable than to do the programming. Norm n3ykf On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Martin A Flynn mafl...@theflynn.org wrote: This is the low-budget version without the front

[time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Daniel Mendes
Hi, I have a Picotest U6200A. I´m trying to log the grid frequency (60Hz) to generate data for my work. I need to get data from every cycle. I setup their program (it always starts in chinese... very funny) but seems that it can only log every 100ms. Questions: 1) Is that a limitation of

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread Martin A Flynn
On 2/21/2013 10:16 PM, Mike S wrote: On 2/21/2013 10:05 PM, Martin A Flynn wrote: Hi folks, I picked up a used TS-2100L for use at a local technology museum. Unit powers up, locks, and syncs. (all three front panel LED are green) Using wire shark I can see traffic to the device on

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Don't have a Picotest, but do have similar counters. It's very common for them to do what looks like a divide of the input frequency before they measure it. The net result is that you can't measure 60 Hz in 1/60th of a second. You measure it in 4/60th's of a second instead. The next problem

Re: [time-nuts] altinex switches

2013-02-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Robert, The only way it would make sense to make the center pin diameter smaller on a 75 ohm BNC is if the center section of the connector has dielectric in it. So, I would venture then that if you find a 75 ohm BNC that has dielectric in the mating area, around the pin, it will be a

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Curiosity makes me wonder why you want to measure cycle-by-cycle variations in the generator frequency. Are you looking for cycle swing when the load changes? Or is it a matter of wanting to because you should be able to? Which, of course, is a great reason for doing all sorts of things!

Re: [time-nuts] altinex switches

2013-02-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Using common WWII coax materials, 75 ohms is roughly the minimum loss per foot design. 50 ohms is the maximum power handling design. The low loss / high power duality is what still has us matching transmitters into 50 ohms and running cable TV at 75 ohms. Bob -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Daniel Mendes
No, just designing a very wicked PLL and needing statistics of the frequency derivative... No generator is involved, it´s mains frequency (but you gave me another idea... thanks!). Daniel Em 22/02/2013 11:53, Chuck Harris escreveu: Curiosity makes me wonder why you want to measure

Re: [time-nuts] altinex switches

2013-02-22 Thread Tom Miller
Actually max power is around 30 ohms. Fifty ohms was a compromise. Here is a good paper on coax design.

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread Scott McGrath
Recommend doing a reset to default and configure as directed there are a lot of configurable options which can control access to this box Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Martin A Flynn mafl...@theflynn.org wrote: On 2/21/2013 10:16 PM, Mike S wrote: On 2/21/2013 10:05 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Hal Murray
dmend...@gmail.com said: No, just designing a very wicked PLL and needing statistics of the frequency derivative... No generator is involved, it´s mains frequency (but you gave me another idea... thanks!). There is a lot of noise on the line. I'm not sure if frequency makes sense on a

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Chris Albertson
People have measured AC mains period (and hence frequency) with very simple devices. The best is just an AC plug-in power cube and a diode to square the sine wave then this is connected directly to a DCD input on a serial port. The Linix PPS driver will time tage each pulse with a nanosecond

[time-nuts] WWVB

2013-02-22 Thread Donald Henderickx
Is wwvb consistent in the testing of there modulation scheme?I find that My Spectracom 8182 will stay in time sync for several days,and then loose it for five or six hours. Is any one else experiencing this? I am thinking of trying my kinemetrics/truetime 60-TF to see if it might function.

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: You can also feed the line into a modem control signal on a PC serial port. (USB probably won't work.) The PPS logic from NTP will count cycles and record a timestamp on the last one. Yes RS-232 wants a signal that

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB

2013-02-22 Thread paul swed
Donald from what I have been seeing they are consistent. But there is a 1 hour period up around 1 or 2 pm est that they go back to the old modulation and that allows time clocks to lock. At least thats what the spectracom 8170 does. Then it says its locked for a very long time even though it

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
There is a lot of noise on the line. I'm not sure if frequency makes sense on a cycle to cycle basis. Hal, it might make sense since the OP is designing a PLL and wants to get a feel for (short-term) frequency excursions. I would guess the whole point of his experiment is to quantify this;

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
Bob, You're right that conventional period, frequency, or universal counters have great difficulty measuring (timing) separate events that occur as fast as 60 Hz. A fine exception is the Pendulum CNT-90/91 which is a time-stamping universal counter. With a few simple GPIB commands, you get

Re: [time-nuts] altinex switches

2013-02-22 Thread James Tucker
Don; Yes, that seemed to be where I was headed, too. Thanks for responding. JimT Sent from *my* galaxy (Nexus). On Feb 21, 2013 9:26 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Hi Jim: I had to make up a little 3-pin to 9-pin adapter using loose pins. It just kinda hangs there... Don James

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB

2013-02-22 Thread Tom Miller
Just for another data point. I have a new LaCrosse digital clock that uses the 60kHz WWVB signal to keep time. It is the model WT-8005U-B, shown here. http://www.lacrossetechnology.com/8005b/index.php It has at least three times in the last two months jumped time. Twice by an hour and once by

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB

2013-02-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So far my Casio wrist watch is perfectly happy with the new WWVB modulation scheme. Bob On Feb 22, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net wrote: Just for another data point. I have a new LaCrosse digital clock that uses the 60kHz WWVB signal to keep time. It is the model

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread David
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:16:37 -0800, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: There is a lot of noise on the line. I'm not sure if frequency makes sense on a cycle to cycle basis. Hal, it might make sense since the OP is designing a PLL and wants to get a feel for (short-term) frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A lot depends on what the real objective is. Is the loop supposed to transfer all of the 60 Hz bumps and wiggles (wide band loop) or is it supposed to ignore them (narrow band loop) ? Given that the starting point is 60 Hz wide and narrow will be relative to that. Bob On Feb 22, 2013, at

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread Martin A Flynn
Scott, Can you point me at the appropriate documentation so I can default the unit? Martin On 2/22/2013 1:06 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: Recommend doing a reset to default and configure as directed there are a lot of configurable options which can control access to this box

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread Lizeth Norman
Martin, I don't think that I've ever seen a procedure in the man to reset it. Do you have the protocol set properly for the various ports? Did you try pinging at different speeds on startup? The docs suggest you should get and ascii ? as a prompt. Can you: log into the router and find out what ip

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Gabs Ricalde
Hello, I also don't have a Picotest or similar equipment but I've done similar things by using the line input of a soundcard. Multiply the recorded signal with a 60 Hz quadrature oscillator, apply a low pass filter then do some analysis on the resulting phasor. The stability of the sound card

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
Friends, The grid contains a massive amount of inertia in the rotating synchronous machinery that generates power. The 'springiness' of the transmission lines allows local noise and even phase noise that is caused by loads added to or dropped from the line. Hal Murray (ICBW) had pictures of

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I think you have to ask what is the use that is going to be made of that number. Do you want to know how well an old synchronous clock will keep time or do you want to know when there's been an (inductive) phase shift that signifies the loss of a transmission line? Are you interested in how

Re: [time-nuts] Hello and new Project

2013-02-22 Thread Scott McGrath
Ill see if I can dig up my manual for this used these units a few years ago Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Martin A Flynn mafl...@theflynn.org wrote: Scott, Can you point me at the appropriate documentation so I can default the unit? Martin On 2/22/2013 1:06 PM, Scott