Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a variety of VCXO's and TCVCXO's on the Mouser site. Prices seem to range from $3 to $10 for the reasonable candidates. http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fox/FOX924B-1/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsBj6bBr9Q9afDupvxlfd2QBmF8W0236Ww%3d Is one of the many. It runs at 10 MHz, CMOS output, and

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-29 Thread Dale J. Robertson
If I'm not mistaken, the oscillator frequency needs to be an integer multiple of 240 KHz. Dale Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2013, at 8:37, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi There are a variety of VCXO's and TCVCXO's on the Mouser site. Prices seem to range from $3 to $10 for the

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-29 Thread dlewis6767
The data sheet indicates the Fox924B is not voltage controllable, wever. -Don -Original Message- From: Bob Camp Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:37 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable

[time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Silly me to not dig all the way to the bottom of the data sheet …. Looks like the auction sites may be the better choice. Bob On Mar 29, 2013, at 9:35 AM, dlewis6767 dlewis6...@austin.rr.com wrote: The data sheet indicates the Fox924B is not voltage controllable, wever. -Don

[time-nuts] Question about samplers

2013-03-29 Thread Daniel Mendes
Looking at e-pay (nobody here seems to refer to it by it´s name... don´t know why.. any relationship to Sauron?) I found several items from HP named samplers, like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-5086-7961-Sampler-50GHz-/120789801136

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-29 Thread paul swed
Indeed thats the problem. The VCO needs to be available grabbing something from ebays good for me but not you. Also the oscillator does need to be an integer of 240 Khz and Ideally divide on a separate chain to 1 or 2 Mhz so it could be multiplied to 5 or 10 Mhz as an example. Though for the

Re: [time-nuts] Question about samplers

2013-03-29 Thread paul swed
If the schematics are available then you can reverse engineer a solution or adaptation. the other thing I do is hunt down the hp journal for the device that used them and when it was introduced. Often the article will give you a fair hint as to whats going on. However the real detail of sample

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-29 Thread Didier
I thought that would work too. Look at this page: http://ko4bb.com/Manuals/03)_Manual_and_Test_Equipment_Links.php The tone may reflect some of my frustration. Please note that it is not really fine print and not exactly buried at the bottom of the page. Yet I get emails several times a week

[time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeGPS-LLR / X72 Rubidium

2013-03-29 Thread Adrian
Hi all, I've got a Symmetricom TimeGPS-LLR module which appears to be a cool toy. Inside I found a X72 rubidium oscillator. The module has a 2006 date code and appears to be brand new. The Rb is also 2006 date-coded and should have the 1 PPS capability. It also came with the control software

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Too much tuning range is easy enough to fix. Use a pot to set it on frequency and then hook it to the rest of the stuff with a fixed resistor. The gotcha would be if the poor thing drifts so much that it *needs* the wide range to stay in lock. My guess is that you could buy a hundred

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread David J Taylor
FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ == It's already been done! GPS occultation sensors have been fitted to Metop-A and Metop-B satellites, which

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeGPS-LLR / X72 Rubidium

2013-03-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I haven't seen one of the units you have. Other similar boxes from the same people are built to frequency. Unless you want to change between harmonically related frequencies, it's more than a jumper or firmware setting. You swap both parts and firmware. Bob On Mar 29, 2013, at 11:38 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Albertson
This would work. I know it has been tested in space already using a tiny cube-sat but for foreasting you's need a lot of these. That is not to bad because they are cheap and you could mass produce them. The real problem is the very short live of a low orbit satellite. You need t keep the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/13 9:09 AM, David J Taylor wrote: FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ == It's already been done! GPS occultation sensors have been fitted

Re: [time-nuts] Question about samplers

2013-03-29 Thread Daniel Mendes
Em 29/03/2013 12:26, paul swed escreveu: If the schematics are available then you can reverse engineer a solution or adaptation. the other thing I do is hunt down the hp journal for the device that used them and when it was introduced. Often the article will give you a fair hint as to whats

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Albertson
COSMIC and (coming soon) COSMIC-2 also do GPS occultation. Yes, but COSMIC is not a constellation of 12 satellites and it is not as cheap either. These guys want to put up 12 satellites at a total cost of only $160M -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California

Re: [time-nuts] Question about samplers

2013-03-29 Thread Ed Palmer
Yes, they're all online. Here's the link: http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/hpjindex.html The best way to find a model # would be to use google's site: command with the model # like this: site:www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal 83481a Ed On 3/29/2013 2:09 PM, Daniel Mendes wrote: Em

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Stewart Cobb
I wonder if you cannot do this same work from the ground. Has anyone tried tracking single GPS satellites from the ground using very high gain tracking antenna. Many times. USAF does this each time they launch a new GPS satellite, to check out all the kit in a high-res view before they switch

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/13 2:36 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: COSMIC and (coming soon) COSMIC-2 also do GPS occultation. Yes, but COSMIC is not a constellation of 12 satellites and it is not as cheap either. These guys want to put up 12 satellites at a total cost of only $160M COSMIC-2 is a constellation of

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5155f30c.4080...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: COSMIC and (coming soon) COSMIC-2 also do GPS occultation. GPS occultation as meteologic model input was first tested and validated on the Danish Ørsted satellite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98rsted_%28satellite%29 gps

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5156611d.6090...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: occultation is pretty heavily used now.. When you talk about weather forecasting, they talk about what percentage of the variance is reduced by adding source X, and I seem to recall that for GPS RO it's something like 10-15%.. around