Re: [time-nuts] Star Box

2013-08-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Joe, On 08/16/2013 04:47 AM, Joseph Gray wrote: I just picked up a Star Box for $10. It has an Allstar DGPS board inside. I saw several mentions of similar boards in the archives and I have found some documentation on the net. Has anyone actually used one of these in a GPSDO? Does it work

Re: [time-nuts] My GPSDO project: OCXO Thermal Oscillation?

2013-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I thought I could just re-enter the numbers from the last survey I did. But either something is wrong or I'm missing something (betting on the latter). I can't seem to enable TRAIM. I thought I had it setup just like

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Guido Küppers
Hi Alan, the one I used was a Oncore UT. The message needed for the RFTG is @@Ea.. once a second if I remember correctly. Note that the RFTG doesn't talk to the UT, it just listens, so you will need to initiate the messages somehow.  There's also some windows diagnostic software for the RFTG

Re: [time-nuts] My GPSDO project: OCXO Thermal Oscillation?

2013-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If one of your sources can be offset (it's a DDS) then mixing the two is a good way to increase the resolution. Separate the two by a couple Hz and feed them into a double balanced mixer. Run the beat note into an amp and limiter. Output of the limiter drives the 5335. Resolution goes up by

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, the one I used was a Oncore UT. The message needed for the RFTG is @@Ea.. So if I send the bytes: @@Ea.. it will accept the 1pps pulse? Any idea on the baud rate, 9600 N 8 1 ? Thanks for your help Alan ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, I found a manual here: http://www.elgps.com/public_ftp/Documentos/SIRF_Protocol.pdf I don't see the @@Ea.. sequence anywhere. Is it NMEA or SIRF Binary? Any more tips before I try this? Thanks, Alan ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Guido Küppers
Hi Alan, sorry for my misleading comment. What I meant was the RFTG will need @@Ea messages coming from the UT. They contain the necessary gps data for the RFTG to accept the pps pulse. You initiate on the UT by sending it a @@Ea request. This has to be done for example  y a PC running the

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, So you didn't fake the data from the UT, you only made something to ask the UT to output it. I see some UT units on eBay, but I don't recognize the antenna connectors. I've got a small screw on antenna (SMA?), but the ones on eBay look like that small round push on like I've seen

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Guido Küppers
Alan, wrong manual, the UT doesn't talk sirf as far as I remember. Although it can do NMEA this is not what want. Try to find a manual for the motorola Oncore receivers, the commands and messages I mentioned are specific to them. Have fun, Guido Von Samsung Mobile gesendet Alan Kamrowski II

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi All the UT cards that I have ever seen use the small push on antenna connector. I have never seen one that directly takes anything normal like an SMA or a BNC. You buy the card and then a bit of coax with the push on on one end and (normally) an SMA on the other end. The antenna for the

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 109, Issue 57

2013-08-17 Thread Didier Juges
Looking at the high price (and closed software) of what is currently offered, I have been thinking of making a kit of my GPSMonitor (see KO4BB.com) I think I could sell an assembled and tested kit with a 2x16 char display for $60 or so if I get 50 people interested. Of course, the source code

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 109, Issue 57

2013-08-17 Thread Chris Albertson
$60 seems high. Yes I understand why you'd have to charge that much for a low volume run. but an Arduino-like device costs $30 and TI sells their MSP430 Launch Pad for $10 (shipped) and all you need to add to it is the 2x16 display and those or $6.So you could assemble something for $20.

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 109, Issue 57

2013-08-17 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 8/17/2013 5:52 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: /TI sells their MSP430 Launch Pad for $10 (shipped)/ Much better than that. TI has reduced the price of the EK-LM4F120XL Stellaris LM4F120 LaunchPad Evaluation Board which now costs USD 7.99 shipped... And that board sports a Stellaris LM4F120H5QR

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 109, Issue 57

2013-08-17 Thread paul swed
I agree with Chris. Though the effort in the software has to account for something. I have 3 of the TIs when they were on sale even cheaper $7 as I recall. But that said. I have not had time to do anything with them. Nor half a dozen other things. So adding a display would be very reasonable. But

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Guido Kueppers
Am Samstag, den 17.08.2013, 09:56 -0500 schrieb Alan Kamrowski II: Hi Guido, So you didn't fake the data from the UT, you only made something to ask the UT to output it. That´s exactly what I did, although I used the fake approach before that , when I didn't have a UT on hand. I see some

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 109, Issue 57

2013-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Assuming that TI does it the same way as the rest of the world, the pricing is even more crazy. They sell the stuff at cost to below cost to get people interested in their chips. For them It's part of the marketing process rather than a profit center. Not all the demo / evaluation stuff

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 109, Issue 57

2013-08-17 Thread Didier Juges
Silabs sells the 8051 board described on my page for $10 and you can use my free source code with it, unlike and arduino or a TI board for which you have to write your own code from scratch, so if you are looking for the rock bottom price, there is no better alternative. The LCD is $10 at

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, That´s exactly what I did, although I used the fake approach before that , when I didn't have a UT on hand. Was that successful? If I could just output the same data stream to it once a second with the pulse from an AVR or something that would be great. Do you still have this

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Bob, All the UT cards that I have ever seen use the small push on antenna connector. I have never seen one that directly takes anything normal like an SMA or a BNC. You buy the card and then a bit of coax with the push on on one end and (normally) an SMA on the other end. The antenna for

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Bob Stewart
You can find complete copies of the Motorola Oncoremanuals here:  http://wa5rrn.com  Click the GPS Information link, then the Oncore link.  You want Chapter 6 for the data stream descriptions, but get them all.  He has other interesting GPS related manuals, as well. Bob - AE6RV

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Guido Küppers
Alan, yes it worked. I'll have to look through my software projects and send you the source file.  Have fun, Guido Von Samsung Mobile gesendet Alan Kamrowski II ala...@earthlink.net hat geschrieben: Hi Guido, That´s exactly what I did, although I used the fake approach before that , when I

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor

2013-08-17 Thread Didier Juges
This is a repost with a new thread. Sorry for the bandwidth. Looking at the high price (and closed software) of what is currently offered, I have been thinking of making a kit of my GPSMonitor (see KO4BB.com) I think I could sell an assembled and tested kit with a 2x16 char display for $60 or

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
HI On Aug 17, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Alan Kamrowski II ala...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Bob, All the UT cards that I have ever seen use the small push on antenna connector. I have never seen one that directly takes anything normal like an SMA or a BNC. You buy the card and then a bit of coax

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor

2013-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In comparison to a 50 piece one off run, consider that most of these low end promo boards are produced at the 5 K a month level, with heavily discounted parts on them. Many of them are sold through distribution. Many (likely the bulk) of them are given away on a listen to our presentation

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, yes it worked. I'll have to look through my software projects and send you the source file. That would be awesome - thank you for looking! Alan -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Guido Küppers Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather without a PC

2013-08-17 Thread Didier
Does the iPAQ have a serial port? I have a Dell PDA that runs Pocket PC2003 with WiFi and Bluetooth but no serial port. Didier Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi, This is not my software. See http://fuzzythinking.com/projects/thunderhead/ I just used the complied file, but the

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather without a PC

2013-08-17 Thread Didier
I do have a desktop IPAQ. It runs Windows Embedded on ARM (at least, this one does) Didfier Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi There are two products called IPAQ. One was a desktop computer, the other was a PDA. The desktop will run anything, the PDA can handle some of the BSD's and Linux's.

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-17 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, yes it worked. I'll have to look through my software projects and send you the source file. Please do, so far my attempt is just failing. I'm trying to send: //transmit gps data txserial_putc('@'); txserial_putc('@'); checksum=0;

Re: [time-nuts] Star Box

2013-08-17 Thread Joseph Gray
Magnus, Thanks for the comments. I did find the manual online. I will have to read through it when I get a chance. From the past comments in the archives, I was hoping to hear about anyone's experience using this in a GPSDO and whether it would be better than other brands. I have set it aside