Re: [time-nuts] Yet another 468-DC situation

2013-08-27 Thread Howard Davidson
This kind of problem is almost always the electrolytic filter capacitors in the power supply shorting. Sometimes they take the diodes with them. the repair is easy. I often preemptively replace all the power supply electrolytics in old devices. hld On 8/26/2013 9:25 PM, paul wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrst Application Note

2013-08-27 Thread Chuck Harris
You might try using the wayback machine, and look to see if one of the older archived copies of gigamax's website has a good link. I have been pleasantly surprised sometimes. -Chuck Harris Ed Palmer wrote: Hello, As the subject states, I'm looking for an Application Note published by

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrst Application Note

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Ed, That link has been dead for all the years I've visited their site. Given the format of other PDF file names in that directory the link may be a typo but none of the obvious alternatives work for me. It's application note #130. I've looked at the last decade of my downloads and don't see

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrst Application Note

2013-08-27 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, Have sent pdf to Ed. Henk Op 27 aug. 2013, om 14:49 heeft Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com het volgende geschreven: Hi Ed, That link has been dead for all the years I've visited their site. Given the format of other PDF file names in that directory the link may be a typo but none

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrst Application Note

2013-08-27 Thread Ed Palmer
Henk, Thanks very much! I knew that someone would have a copy. Chuck, I always check the wayback machine. I just sometimes forget to mention that. :) The wayback machine is good, but there are many technical issues and administrative decisions that make it more frustrating than useful.

[time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Steven Kluck
I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland de Witte's experiment.  Simple and fascinating!  Position one clock

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Steven, You can contact me off-line about this if you want more information. Being someone with plenty of cesium clocks I looked into his claims in the late 90's. His cables and electronics were not at all temperature compensated. It's a simple mistake we all make at one point or another in

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 27 August 2013 16:25, Steven Kluck skluck...@yahoo.com wrote: I am new to this group, and my main interest is time keeping/ time signal reception, but all of this frequency talk is catching my interest. If I had a couple of extra cesium frequency references, I would want to try Roland

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CANX10hDW7BGH27=N0N8ZSMfUk+a2gT5ir_hv7h=e5kqewtj...@mail.gmail.com, Dr. David Kirkby writes: Maybe if the cables were burried sufficiently deep, there would be no short term changes of temperature, since the temperature underground is more contant than on the surface of the earth.

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Don Latham
If the cables are buried on the order of 1 m deep, in touch with the ground, temperature effects are drastically cut, without controllers, etc. Surface temp changes are very attenuated. Don Tom Van Baak Hi Steven, You can contact me off-line about this if you want more information. Being

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread mc235960
Le 27 août 2013 à 20:27, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : In message CANX10hDW7BGH27=N0N8ZSMfUk+a2gT5ir_hv7h=e5kqewtj...@mail.gmail.com, Dr. David Kirkby writes: Maybe if the cables were burried sufficiently deep, there would be no short term changes of temperature, since the temperature

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Florian Teply
Am Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:56:51 -0400 schrieb Bob Camp li...@rtty.us: Hi On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 08/25/2013 08:25 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The most common approach is to *assume* that the two devices are not correlated.

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-08-27 13:35, Florian Teply wrote: No, HP did not make the long tube Cs standards at NIST (as the NIST guys always love to point out) and they are very different animals than the ones you can buy. So, the international definition of the second has always been safe from manufacturer

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There was a point in time where HP made a *lot* of the Cs standards out there. Bob On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hi, On 08/26/2013 01:56 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Aug 26, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Magnus Danielson

Re: [time-nuts] de Witte's Experiment

2013-08-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/27/2013 07:39 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Steven, You can contact me off-line about this if you want more information. Being someone with plenty of cesium clocks I looked into his claims in the late 90's. His cables and electronics were not at all temperature compensated. It's a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10544 oscillator question

2013-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 10544 was a BT cut based oscillator. When they went to the SC in the 10811, making it from natural quartz was pretty much not an option. HP bought blanks from several suppliers. I suspect they each switched to synthetic at a different point. Bob On Aug 26, 2013, at 1:20 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] DIY HP/Agilent 53131A 010 High Stability Timebase Option

2013-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Probably both cheaper and easier to plug it into a TBolt …. Not as portable though. Bob On Aug 26, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Raj vu2...@gmail.com wrote: Found this on Hack-a-day http://gerrysweeney.com/diy-hpagilent-53131a-010-high-stability-timebase-option/ Regards -- Raj, VU2ZAP

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 time to lock

2013-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The OCXO in most Rb's isn't all that great. They are after good ADEV, but tempco and aging aren't terribly important. Bob On Aug 26, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Nathaniel Bezanson mys...@telcodata.us wrote: At room temperature, mine takes about 3-4 minutes heating until the lamp will start.

Re: [time-nuts] Yet another 468-DC situation

2013-08-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What are you trying to do? If you are simply trying to run NTP, there are a lot of options. If you want more than that, then your options narrow down a bit. Bob On Aug 27, 2013, at 12:25 AM, paul p...@thesimonet.org wrote: Greetings Time Nuts! I used to work for an electric

[time-nuts] Z3815 question

2013-08-27 Thread Hui Zhang
Dear All: I just got a Z3815A GPSDOS, now it working well, but I have few questions: 1, Why my Z3815A will do survey everytime at power on? Even its finished survey 100%. 2, Why its date is 1994 Jun 11? But time is correct. 3, What's type of antenna connector in back panel? Thanks! Hui

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815 question

2013-08-27 Thread Hui Zhang
Sorry I forgot a qeustion about EFC, last night when I power on my Z3815A, it had a alarm message is EFC limit, I use follow command to watch EFC value: Sent: :DIAG:ROSC:EFC:ABS? reply: +489118 Sent: :DIAG:ROSC:EFC:rel? reply: -6.70809E+000 And then, I reboot the device, the alarm

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 time to lock

2013-08-27 Thread Ed Palmer
Yes, in many of the more recent Rb standards you're lucky if the crystal is ovenized at all. But are you sure that they're after good ADEV? I get the impression that the only thing they're interested in is low drift for the unit (e.g. for holdover purposes) since they're intended to be