Re: [time-nuts] HP3048 RMB software

2013-09-14 Thread John Seamons
On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:03 AM, David Hooke wrote: Does anyone have a secret stash of the RMB A.03.0x version? I don't have that. But what I do have that might be of interest to someone is the source code (BASIC) for the older 3047A system (11740A/35601A). I have uploaded it to KO4BB (give

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Flemming Larsen
The shaking table, or base plate, is not a non-moving mass, but is the coupling factor which transfers the energy from the sum of all the other moving masses from the strongest to the weaker. Another example of majority rule, if you will. Remove the resonance frequency of this coupling factor

[time-nuts] TBolt temperature sensor

2013-09-14 Thread Mark Sims
Lady Heather does not truncate the display of any values. Generally, it It reports all values to the resolution that the device sends... garbage in, garbage out. -- but the program you're using (LH?) apparently truncates the display

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/14/2013 04:37 AM, David McGaw wrote: Not true. It depends on the strength and reciprocity of the coupling. If essentially equal as with the metronomes which are coupled pendulums (the math exists for this), the systems will come to some combination frequency, though as has been

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Tim Shoppa
Coupled oscillators can do very interesting things above and beyond simple synchronization. Look at the circuit at the bottom of this page with 5 cross-connected neon bulb multivibrators. http://donklipstein.com/sillyne2.html They are symmetrically cross connected favoring no particular

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes, the settling in is fractal and the path taken to sync isn't the same every time. For a simple way to look at multiple coupled clocks go back to old style filter theory: 1) You have some number of resonators 2) You have some set of coupling coefficients between the resonators 3) You

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Tim Shoppa
The math I am familiar with, seems to have mostly developed around master-slave arrangements associated with radar pulses and (as you point out) TV. In the MIT Rad Lab series there are some single-purpose treatments but a good summary is Millman Taub, Pulse and Digital Circuits. Their approach is

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Tim Shoppa
A frame-by-frame analysis of the metronome video could show the frequency and phase of each of the 32 metronomes as a function of time. Is there a non-youtube version of the video using a well-characterized video format? I'm not sure I would trust the youtube video codecs to keep time correctly,

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Google Orbital Resonance. The same process works for *very* large systems, and you can lock at interesting ratios like 2:3 or 1:2:4 in addition to 1:1. Bob On Sep 14, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Tim Shoppa tsho...@gmail.com wrote: A frame-by-frame analysis of the metronome video could show the

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread David J Taylor
A frame-by-frame analysis of the metronome video could show the frequency and phase of each of the 32 metronomes as a function of time. Is there a non-youtube version of the video using a well-characterized video format? I'm not sure I would trust the youtube video codecs to keep time correctly,

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/14/13 6:20 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote: The math I am familiar with, seems to have mostly developed around master-slave arrangements associated with radar pulses and (as you point out) TV. In the MIT Rad Lab series there are some single-purpose treatments but a good summary is Millman Taub, Pulse

Re: [time-nuts] General Radio Connector

2013-09-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There is a General Radio group on Yahoo ( gen...@yahoogroups.com ) that's a *really* good place to look for these things. Bob On Sep 14, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Gordon Batey gpba...@wildblue.net wrote: Greetings, I have obtained several older style General Radio items that use the OLD

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-14 Thread quartz55
Today I moved the antenna to above the beams. This is temporary because it's in the way of the beams turning. I guess I need to get someone out here to help me install it on top of the beam mast. I don't feel confident to do it myself anymore. I suppose it's not going to hurt anything if

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-14 Thread quartz55
Here's a better view of the antenna looking due south. http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg287/DogTi/abovebeamssouth_zpsd8fb78ca.jpg Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Sep 14, 2013, at 12:45 PM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote: Today I moved the antenna to above the beams. This is temporary because it's in the way of the beams turning. I guess I need to get someone out here to help me install it on top of the beam mast. I don't feel confident

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As long as the wind does not blow the tower around, that's probably your best location. Bob On Sep 14, 2013, at 1:26 PM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote: Here's a better view of the antenna looking due south.

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
I get a spread of around 300ppt, that means I'm always within 300x10^-9 Hz of 10MHz or .0003Hz at 1GHz? Note 300 ppt is a fractional frequency, unit-less value, so at 10 MHz, 300e-12 * 1e7 Hz = 0.003 Hz at 1 GHz, 300e-12 * 1e9 Hz = 0.3 Hz I suppose the ppt spread is pretty much a function

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Joe Leikhim
Microwave injection locking of Magnetrons with beam steering phased array. Lots of math!

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-14 Thread quartz55
If it's on the top of the antenna mast, it should only rotate around the mast, which may be 4 at most. I can stabalize the mast a bit with a outrigger at the bottom which I've been meaning to do for years. The pipe from the chimney is 1 thick wall, so there isn't much wind effect there, I

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you mostly keep the beams pointed into the wind, I'd do that before you do the next survey. Bob On Sep 14, 2013, at 2:59 PM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote: If it's on the top of the antenna mast, it should only rotate around the mast, which may be 4 at most. I can stabalize the

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/14/13 11:22 AM, Joe Leikhim wrote: Microwave injection locking of Magnetrons with beam steering phased array. Lots of math!

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator stability was (New NTBW50AA)

2013-09-14 Thread WarrenS
OT for the current heading, so I renamed it Oscillator stability as Tom says, it's a complicated subject. And to complicate things even further, here are a few of advanced subtleties that I've observed from the TBolt when using LadyHeather. 1) The TBolt uses the received GPS signal as the

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator stability was (New NTBW50AA)

2013-09-14 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Warren, There's a lot of good information in this post, and I've discovered a lot of it while writing my GPSDO PLL.  In point 5, you mention that to correct for frequency it has to be off frequency.  I've seen this on both sides of it.  From time to time, I see extremely long periods of no

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Joe Leikhim
Funny when I go to the links and read about the subject, time seems to slowww down By the way, googling microwave weed burner to find this article turned up another application of microwave heating for a very different kind of weed. -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/14/13 5:19 PM, Joe Leikhim wrote: Funny when I go to the links and read about the subject, time seems to slowww down By the way, googling microwave weed burner to find this article turned up another application of microwave heating for a very different kind of weed. Oh wow..