Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Chris Albertson
Rather then trying to model the capacitor why not build a reliable clock and sample the clock before and after the signal you are trying to measure. In other words you calibrate using a (say) 1 uSec pulse. That would cover the case of passive parts aging. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Lars

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Tom, I appreciate the offer.  I may wind up taking you up on it.  But, I'm more interested in doing the project than getting an interpolator that works; if you get my meaning.  So I'll just plod along at my own speed on this.  I may wind up with questions in the future.  I'll address them to

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
Bob, I have versions of the picPET that capture an ADC reading along with a timestamp. I used this with one of Richard's simpler interpolator designs. There's some info at http://leapsecond.com/pic/picpet2.htm and the projects aren't final yet but you can contact me or Richard directly. /tvb

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Lars, I'm lucky in that I'm starting with a PIC running internally at 40MHz.  So I think timing is not going to be a real problem.  But after getting a response from Richard, I'm concerned about flaws in the spice chip models.  I'm also a bit concerned about breadboarding, but come to think

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
> What Bruce says about interrupts is also worth to check in real life as > “jitter” due to unexpected interrupts or different timing may give problem. > In the Arduino GPSDO the timer1 overflow interrupt may delay the 1PPS > interrupt about 3us and delay the ADC conversion 3us. This is not so c

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Lars Walenius
>>Bob Stewart wrote: >> Tom tried to steer me to the PICTIC recently, and I sort of brushed him off, >> because, quite frankly I didn't understand. Now that I've really looked at >> it, it's a much better idea than using a dsPIC33 and brute-forcing it. But, >> I don't really need everyth

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C

2014-02-15 Thread d0ct0r
I think I found the information in the datasheet: The read operation can be used to read multiple bytes with a single transfer. When reading bytes from the slave, the master simply ACKs the data byte if it desires to read another byte before terminating the transaction. After the master reads th

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bob Stewart wrote: Tom tried to steer me to the PICTIC recently, and I sort of brushed him off, because, quite frankly I didn't understand. Now that I've really looked at it, it's a much better idea than using a dsPIC33 and brute-forcing it. But, I don't really need everything the PICTIC offers

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C

2014-02-15 Thread Hal Murray
michael.c...@sfr.fr said: > So if you do a multi-byte read to get the lot at once, then it should be > coherent. I saw some code to do this somewhere, but I have lost track of it. For things like that, I tend to write some test code to sanity check my understanding. Then I let it run overnight

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C

2014-02-15 Thread Chris Albertson
Even on the primitive chips that don't have mutlipbyte reads and buffers. Just read it twice and see it the two reads are the same. On the one in the thousand case where they differ, read a third time. Problems only happen if you are so unlucky to read the time just before the seconds flip ove

Re: [time-nuts] FTS 2000A

2014-02-15 Thread Stanley
Very sad. Looks very similar to the 1200b at this level, the internal oven. http://www.n4iqt.com/fts1000b/pictures/imag5.jpg Stanley - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: [time-nuts] FTS 2000A Attached the innards of a FTS 2000A. The unit

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C

2014-02-15 Thread Scott Newell
At 04:20 PM 2/14/2014, d0ct0r wrote: hours is the same, but seconds and minutes has changed. Is there any method to read all three values (HH:MM:SS) by one single requests ? Or is there any other workaround for this issue ? Or it is not issue at all ? Thanks ! Sure, read multiple registers (0

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C

2014-02-15 Thread mike cook
I don't think this is an issue. The datasheet indicates : When reading or writing the time and date registers, secondary (user) buffers are used to prevent errors when the internal registers update. When reading the time and date registers, the user buffers are synchronized to the internal registe

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C

2014-02-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
Read SS MM HH SS and if the first and second readings of SS are within the same minute you know you have a good reading. /tvb - Original Message - From: "d0ct0r" To: Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 2:20 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C >I would like to ask an advise for f

Re: [time-nuts] Resistors in VCO

2014-02-15 Thread cheater00 .
You can improve most old VCOs by removing voltage references derived from voltage rails and replacing them with REF0x chips. D. On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Tom Knox wrote: > Hi everyone, some VC oscillators I have played with keep trimmer resistor in > circuit to adjust the EFC close enoug

[time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom tried to steer me to the PICTIC recently, and I sort of brushed him off, because, quite frankly I didn't understand.  Now that I've really looked at it, it's a much better idea than using a dsPIC33 and brute-forcing it.  But, I don't really need everything the PICTIC offers so I started doin

[time-nuts] BC637PCI Flash Memory Dump

2014-02-15 Thread GandalfG8
I've downloaded the flash memory contents from a BC637PCI card, it's a 128K file but also had to save it as 64K to please the disassemblers I found online. That didn't look to be an issue, as far as I can tell only 64K is used anyway. The memory chip is a CAT28F010, as opposed to a 29F010 s

[time-nuts] Maxim DS3232 and I2C

2014-02-15 Thread d0ct0r
I would like to ask an advise for following: Lets say I have a DS3232 RTC connected by I2C to some MCU. The maximum allowed I2C bus speed is 400KHZ. And I need to read time (HH:MM:SS) from it. It will be THREE SEPARATE REQUESTS for each part (hours, minutes and seconds). My concern: what if I

[time-nuts] Resistors in VCO

2014-02-15 Thread Tom Knox
Hi everyone, some VC oscillators I have played with keep trimmer resistor in circuit to adjust the EFC close enough for the PLL to work. I was wondering if changing to more stable resistors could improve ADEV and P/N performance. Also could this add stability if used to divide the loop voltage.

[time-nuts] Arduino TIC's

2014-02-15 Thread Don Latham
Those contemplating Arduino TIC's and other such nuttery might like to investigate www.makerplot.com as a VERY convenient, simple interface program for the Arduino. Plots of temperature etc as well as time constant selection, remote "pushbutton" contol, etc.etc. without the tedium of GUI programm