Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Paul Prime question is what are you calling the slave unit? In normal use Lucent treats the Ref-0 unit as the master and Ref-1 as the slave, but it's Ref-1 that contains the GPS module. Bit confusing but if you've got Ref-1 with the GPS module then you're in business:-) It's turned out

[time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread Wayne Holder
I recently picked up a 5061A surplus, but have no idea whether it works or not. The first hurdle is getting a power cord, but I'm still waiting for the proper connector to show up (the first one I ordered had the wrong orientation on the 3 pins.) In the meantime, I've been reading though what

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 6, 2014, at 3:44 AM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Paul Prime question is what are you calling the slave unit? 1) Slave in the sense that it’s slaved to the GPS in the other box. Unless we find a serial link from the Ref-0 back into the Ref-1, that’s

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread Azelio Boriani
It is not uncommon that replacement tubes are not the original ones. See here: http://www.gigatest.net/datum/cesium_tubes.pdf You can't do anything else than plugging it in and check the various voltages. If there is any life left in the tube and the ion pump is working, you can even experience a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 6, 2014, at 3:44 AM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Paul Prime question is what are you calling the slave unit? In normal use Lucent treats the Ref-0 unit as the master and Ref-1 as the slave, but it's Ref-1 that contains the GPS module. Bit

[time-nuts] TI PRU info

2014-11-06 Thread Daniel Mendes
Today I got an email about this: http://www.ti.com/tool/prucape?keyMatch=PRU%20capetisearch=Search-EN And from there I found this: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/PRU_Cape_Getting_Started_Guide Hope it helps some fellow nuts in their quest for the ultimate precision/price ratio

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Bob I view the master/slave situation the same way you do, but only commented because Lucent effectively sets things up the other way round so just wanted to be sure which way Paul was considering it. As regards, the faking, yes, a single 15 way plug containing just a link and a

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread J. L. Trantham
I agree. Plug it in and see what happens although I would probably disconnect and remove the NiCd batteries and inspect for and clean up any leakage issues. I would also remove A2, the battery charger board, until initial tests are completed. A2 is the center board seen from the bottom. I

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread Scott McGrath
The datum tubes are fairly common as they were significantly less expensive than HP/Agilent tubes and lasted longer First thing as JL notes is to remove battery and charger Just power it up and monitor the ion pump value on the test meter if it drops to zero fairly rapidly the tube may still

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread paul swed
actually all good advice but allow the pump to work for at least 2 weeks On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Scott McGrath scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: The datum tubes are fairly common as they were significantly less expensive than HP/Agilent tubes and lasted longer First thing as JL notes is to

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread paul swed
Have a second to type further. If the systems been off for 6 months it will take a long time for the ion pump to work. Simply watch the current meter and give it 24 or 48 hours. Its very slow. Even give it a week. If the current is coming down at all that is a positive sign. It may be quite small

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread Pete Lancashire
If after say a week and the current does not go down, there is one more thing you can do before you have a tube that qualifies as a door stop. You replace the internal HV supply with 3,500V @ 5 mA I had to do this on mine. Keep doing it a few minutes at a time, took something like 3 hours. No drop

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread paul swed
Pete thats quite a hint on the official fumes measurement scale. Frankenstein takes a solid 24 or so hours to your one. So it seems on the CS scale of life you are fumes and I am wisps. The meter shows just about 0 photo. Very tough to work with have to play games with meter amplifiers and such.

[time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread xaos
I just cant figure out what it is ;) http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5071A-Primary-Frequency-Standard-/191386439159?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c8f854df7 One obvious question: Are the leftover parts worth anything close to the opening bid ? -George, N2FGX

Re: [time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 6 November 2014 18:09, xaos x...@darksmile.net wrote: I just cant figure out what it is ;) http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5071A-Primary-Frequency-Standard-/191386439159?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c8f854df7 One obvious question: Are the leftover parts worth anything close to the

Re: [time-nuts] pn3048 software

2014-11-06 Thread HP-mini
If you have all the required h/w including HP GPIB card signal analyzer.. a PC with ISA slots. The original HP 3048A s/w still works very reliably in windows XP on a core2duo. WIndows XP (onwards) enforced the direct h/w access rules. To make this work you need a wrapper program to handle task

Re: [time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Pete Lancashire
I've made the seller offers before, usually takes them. IMake an offer of a $100 with a note something like Cesium Tube is missing, all the value is in the tube, making offer for spare parts They are surplus guys have no idea what the thing is. They have someone suggesting the TM vaule based on

[time-nuts] SRS CG635 Schematic

2014-11-06 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
Hello, I purchased a used Stanford Research System CG365 clock generator that is without a printed manual. As SRS's online manuals do not include schematics, does someone have a link to, or a copy of, the CG635 schematics that they would share with me? Thanks! Kevin

Re: [time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread paul swed
Wow talk about beat to heck and frankly I would stay far away from it. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: I've made the seller offers before, usually takes them. IMake an offer of a $100 with a note something like Cesium Tube is

Re: [time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread xaos
Pete, You're right. Nothing to lose. I think I'll go for it. There are a total of 3 5071's for sale. 2 have problems and the other one has no pictures of power up, etc. Prob DOA.

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread paul swed
Yes follow the manual. You can't really hurt it. The first position is the pump position and you leave the switch there. Not much else is really running. Ovens warm and such. Turn the meter to ion pump and watch. Most likely it may go off scale to the right. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Nov 6,

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread John Miles
There's a good chance you can get it working but not necessarily with the built-in ion pump supply. In my experience, if it doesn't pump down within a day or two, it never will. No point waiting multiple days or weeks. The manual talks about how to connect an external HV power supply, and I

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, I got to spend a little quality time with my pair today. I mostly poked at the Diag port with a terminal program. Both of the units seem talk over the Diag port regardless of the mode they are in (master / slave / fault ). Both respond to a sub-set of the Z3801 SCPI commands (= not

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread J. L. Trantham
3$? Or is that too much? Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of xaos Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:10 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [Bulk] [time-nuts] There seems to be something missing from

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread Scott McGrath
Option 4 is the high performance beam tube which traded shorter life for better performance. It referred to the original tube shipped with the standard Not sure about j15 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Wayne Holder wayne.hol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the great

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Scott McGrath
The only problem with these standards is the tube availability since they have that neat little rom which allows the standard to recognize the tube. So using available non-5071 tubes is a challenge unless someone solved the rom issue But the first one is pretty beat did someone have a bad

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi From the looks of that one, I suspect it fell off the back of a truck. You aren’t going to send that one back to Beverly and get it re-tubed and repaired for the flat rate fee. Maybe Tom took his hiking in the mountains and it slipped out of the harness … :) Bob On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:08

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/6/14, 5:08 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: The only problem with these standards is the tube availability since they have that neat little rom which allows the standard to recognize the tube. So using available non-5071 tubes is a challenge unless someone solved the rom issue But the first

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread Wayne Holder
If you get the tube working, you should use a counter or Lissajous display with a GPS or rubidium standard to preset it to the correct resonance peak frequency for lockup. The tube will probably be pretty noisy at first. If it also has weak beam current, which is common, it will be very

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Could have been retrieved from a dumpster. That would beat anything I’ve found, but I may not be dumpster diving in the right neighborhoods …. Bob On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/6/14, 5:08 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: The only problem with these

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread jim s
On 11/6/2014 5:29 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Could have been retrieved from a dumpster. That would beat anything I’ve found, but I may not be dumpster diving in the right neighborhoods …. Bob On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/6/14, 5:08 PM, Scott McGrath

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] There seems to be something missing from this eBay item.

2014-11-06 Thread EB4APL
Most damages are compatible with a truck fall but he BNC connectors are intentionally destroyed using a screwdriver or the like. For me it looks like it came from an organization with a policy of destroying the equipment that is written off. I've seen this kind of things in the disposal

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread J. L. Trantham
Wayne, Forgot to mention this on my first post. On the front panel: 1. Set the MODE to 'CS OFF' 2. Set OSC FREQUENCY five turn pot to '250' (not COARSE). 3. Set MOD to 'ON'. 4. Set C FIELD to whatever the front door says it should be. 5. Set CIRCUIT CHECK to 'ION PUMP I'. Plug it in and

Re: [time-nuts] New Guy, has HP 5061A with DATUM 7105A tube seeks advice

2014-11-06 Thread John Miles
If you get the tube working, you should use a counter or Lissajous display with a GPS or rubidium standard to preset it to the correct resonance peak frequency for lockup. The tube will probably be pretty noisy at first. If it also has weak beam current, which is common, it will be very

[time-nuts] Ball Efratom MFS-209 Rubidium GPS Frequency Standard Unit *MRK *MGPS*

2014-11-06 Thread Tom Miller
This seller has three more of these units. They have a GPS disciplined OCXO and a disciplined Rb Osc. Normal operation used the Rb and fail over to a OCXO. Each unit has 28 output ports for the 10 MHz and 28 output ports for the 1-PPS all on the rear. The run on AC or 28 volts DC. Send a

Re: [time-nuts] Ball Efratom MFS-209 Rubidium GPS Frequency Standard Unit *MRK *MGPS*

2014-11-06 Thread Tom Miller
Correction! The distribution is configured for 5 MHz, not 10. There is 10 MHz available on two front panel BNC connectors. However, I think that can change. I'm looking. Tom - Original Message - From: Tom Miller tmiller11...@verizon.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday,

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I've been using the Satstat program to send commands.  What I don't understand is why the slave will accept commands such as sat elevation angle and not give an error response.  It gives a response of command complete, but it doesn't change it.  Or is that an indication that both units