Re: [time-nuts] lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-11 Thread Chuck Harris
Bill Hawkins wrote: Did the pictures have to be in SVG format? SVG is extremely available, and extremely useful because it allows you to scale the picture to any size you like, and retain all of the detail. It provides a lot more functionality than just that, but I am sure that you can use

Re: [time-nuts] lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 45C7C6B09BC548C19241E4E0673E9E9F@system072, Bill Hawkins writes: Did the pictures have to be in SVG format? Is this only a problem for those who routinely use SVG? A problem how ? I *like* SVG since you can zoom without pixellation effects, and spent an afternoon writing

[time-nuts] Greek clocks - planets rather than seconds

2015-05-11 Thread Hal Murray
Michael Wright talking about the Antikythera http://www.the-eg.com/videos/michael-wright-antikythera-resurrector-eg8 The video is 1/2 hour. I thought it was good. He's a colorful speaker. Anybody know how they made gears back then? Or machinery in general? What did they use for a file?

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Alex Pummer
yes for transmitter antennas, but not for receiver antennas in Austria Germany Switzerland France Hungary one could have receiver antenna as long as he want, but the height is limited similarly as in the US 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 5/10/2015 7:15 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: My recollection is that

Re: [time-nuts] HPGL and SVG (was Re: lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping)

2015-05-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message caj_qrvafz6dnihttst7_-fag_q0g2vdmf5e3jdvsopwm_90...@mail.gmail.com , Tim Shoppa writes: I love Poul-Henning's SVG scope plots. [...] I wonder if he actually uses a piece of HP equipment and then converts the output from HPGL to SVG? The HP8568 was dumped using my Pylt' code

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Adrian Godwin
Is it driven as an inductive loop? That might put it under different regulations. On 11 May 2015 17:47, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Yes, but in the case of the lawnmower fence, and the invisible dog fence, the transmitter drives the fence as an antenna. In the US, the antenna

Re: [time-nuts] Greek clocks - planets rather than seconds

2015-05-11 Thread Peter Torry
Hal, Gear wheels have been cut by hand for many a century. A simple dividing head made from wood and fixed to a mandrel would index a blank wheel and allow the teeth to be cut by a saw and then rounded up to a cycloidal shape with a file. As time progressed shaped files were used and later

Re: [time-nuts] Greek clocks - planets rather than seconds

2015-05-11 Thread Tom Harris
Good question. I intrigued me so I researched it. To make gears the Greek craftsmen made a circular blank, then marked it out for the correct number of teeth, probably using dividers, then filed the teeth with a triangular needle file Analysis of the Antikythera Mechanism shows the sort of

Re: [time-nuts] lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-11 Thread Bill Hawkins
Yes, flexibility is the key. Once upon a time I could hack hardware and software using Unix and C, starting in 1982. I can no longer keep up with the bright ideas of millions of programmers. Bought some Windows 7 machines a year ago before they gave way to 8. Still use XP because I can do what I

[time-nuts] 53132A Polish UHS Time Base Option Interesting Ovservation

2015-05-11 Thread J. L. Trantham
I recently obtained a 53132A and added the HP Opt 010 High Stability Time Base option with a 10811 variant OCXO. I left it on for over a week and it, ultimately, seemed to slow down in its drift, with the displayed frequency, as it 'read' my GPSDO, slowly decreasing, suggesting that the Time

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On most of these “buried” systems, the *intended* output is an audio ( 15 KHz) signal. Since the carrier is below the bottom end of the regulations, you are in “who cares” territory. That’s the intent. The problem comes from the fact that they modulate the carrier in ways the reg’s never

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The only definitive statement I have seen for implementation of the 13 bit week is that it will be part of the Block III deployment process. Anything going on now is “testing only”. Block III now looks like a 2017 sort of thing. There may be people out there with fancy simulators that are

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/11/15 12:52 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: Is it driven as an inductive loop? That might put it under different regulations. On 11 May 2015 17:47, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Yes, but in the case of the lawnmower fence, and the invisible dog fence, the transmitter drives the fence

[time-nuts] SVG Re: lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/15 11:40 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 45C7C6B09BC548C19241E4E0673E9E9F@system072, Bill Hawkins writes: Did the pictures have to be in SVG format? Is this only a problem for those who routinely use SVG? A problem how ? I *like* SVG since you can zoom without

[time-nuts] HPGL and SVG (was Re: lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping)

2015-05-11 Thread Tim Shoppa
I am a huge fan of SVG. I love Poul-Henning's SVG scope plots. The resemblance to the HP Pen Plotter output that was the standard of excellence in the 70's is remarkable. The pens themselves were obsoleted by HP in the 1990's and then I had to start hoarding them, but I think third-party

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Chuck Harris
Yes, but in the case of the lawnmower fence, and the invisible dog fence, the transmitter drives the fence as an antenna. In the US, the antenna size for free bands is seriously limited. As an example, the so called Lowfer band at 136KHz is limited to antennas no larger than 15m in length.

Re: [time-nuts] lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-11 Thread Mark Spencer
In practice it seems to be hard to fight interference issues at lower frequencies. A local 50,000 watt AM (medium wave) broadcaster, put up a FM (VHF) transmitter several years ago. One of the reasons they gave for going to FM were the interference issues on the AM band. I noticed the