Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2010B possibilities?

2007-02-11 Thread Chuck Harris
there with the USNO's C-Beam standards, but on the short term, you were dithering about some point with a few hundred second period on the dither. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time

Re: [time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Use Kermit. It's free, it runs on any computer, and will log to a disk. -Chuck Harris Jason Rabel wrote: I did some Googling but kept hitting dead ends, so I figured I would hit you guys up for some help. I finally got my Shera board working (Thanks to James Miller for helping me finally

Re: [time-nuts] Serial Port Logging Script?

2007-01-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Virtually all the unixen have a program dos2unix that will turn CRLF into LF. If they don't, there is always sed. -Chuck Harris Jason Rabel wrote: Yeah I think I kind of jumped the gun after doing a little more investigation... The board is outputting a CR and LF so technically the logserial

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-17 Thread Chuck Harris
that they were talking about guns in the hands of the people. Thomas Jefferson, as a private individual, owned canon! A period equivalent of owning an atomic bomb today. But seriously, why are you dragging your misinformed opinions into time-nuts (even if you intended it as a joke)? -Chuck

Re: [time-nuts] Ha! It LIVES!!

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
You will be seeing many more suspicious and bad solder joints thanks to RoHS and the adoption of lead free solders. Even really good RoHS solder joints look bad. -Chuck Harris Jason Rabel wrote: Bruce, Inspiring story! I have seen some nasty cold-solder joints too in commercial equipment

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
. the shiny finish turns to a mossy crinkle finish, like a wrinkle finish paint job. What you are seeing is the electroplated finish crystalize. -Chuck Harris OBTW, in the irony department, it has been reported that RoHS solders are actually more toxic (and mobile) when they enter the ground water than

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Harris Daun Yeagley wrote: Part of the law of unintended consequences! Sometimes it's better to leave things alone. Daun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:24 PM To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Sorry, incoming rant: Especially when you consider the amount of lead that will enter the environment when a single automotive battery (which are not subject to RoHS, by the way) is improperly dumped

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread Chuck Harris
67/37 solder. 350C is easily hot enough to melt the non lead solder. It just isn't hot enough to make it pretty. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] ARRL FMT results

2007-01-04 Thread Chuck Harris
, but something. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370A

2006-10-16 Thread Chuck Harris
ether mixture. I don't precisely know what polyphenyl ether is, but I do know that it is very slippery. It works very nicely on the gold fingers of 7000 series plugins... which is precisely the sort of duty it was made for. -Chuck Harris Robert Atkinson wrote: Hi Chuck, I'd agree on the use

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370A

2006-10-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Didier Juges wrote: PS: The card edge connectors on this unit are extremely tight. I easily broke one of the extractor on the CPU card, and the ROM card I am very careful to remove boards like this, I don't like to break the extractors. Once I get them removed, I give the card edge a wipe

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B

2006-09-28 Thread Chuck Harris
It isn't really a problem. If you take off the page that says copyright, they will copy them for you. Norman J McSweyn wrote: Kinko's has a little problem with any document that has a copyright. Seems that they don't want to be sued. Been there, done that, had the argument. Norm n3ykf

Re: [time-nuts] Historical HP quartz oscillator manuals available

2006-09-27 Thread Chuck Harris
Especially when you consider that HP at one time had manuals for everything they made... Then they stored them and lost them. -Chuck Harris Lester Veenstra M0YCM wrote: Stored but not scanned does not help the objective Time for plan B? Lester B Veenstra M0YCM K1YCM K1YCM/6Y5 Mail

Re: [time-nuts] A Simple PIC Divider

2006-08-07 Thread Chuck Harris
the total execution time for the loop be precisely 50 clock ticks? -Original Message- From: Chuck Harris If I wanted to divide a 10MHz clock down to 100KHz, I could do something like: while(1){ delay_us(5); output_toggle(PIN_A0

Re: [time-nuts] A Simple PIC Divider

2006-08-06 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Tom, The CCS C compiler does just fine. When you use the delay function, it is smart enough to know when it is better to insert a few NOP instructions (and other time wasters), and when it is better to toss in a loop. The code it generates is generally better than I can do myself using

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2100R Manual? Or Info?

2006-07-25 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi John, I don't know much about the 2100R, but I do have an advertisement blurb that Austron put out that describes it as a stand alone, turn key frequency management device, or something like that. I would suspect that it has a few dip switches for seting the GRI, and perhaps another few for

Re: [time-nuts] FTS 4050 questions

2006-07-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Bob, I have a copy of the manual for the FTS4050 that you are welcome to borrow for a few weeks. -Chuck Harris Bob Voelker wrote: I recently obtained an FTS 4050 cesium standard which is basically the FTS 5000 module and a power supply in a box. Does anyone know of a source for user

Re: [time-nuts] New frequency standard, Mercury better than Cesium?

2006-07-17 Thread Chuck Harris
understand it, all test equipment is exempt from RoHS. As are all batteries, oddly enough. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] New frequency standard, Mercury better than Cesium?

2006-07-17 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Said, I'm inclined to believe that a fairly short period of time after the world goes lead free with electronics, there are going to be disastrous numbers of failures. Basically, the electronics industry is being asked to forget all of the advances it has made in manufacturing, and

Re: [time-nuts] Latitude and longitude question

2006-07-09 Thread Chuck Harris
on a surveyor's ability to measure. -Chuck Harris Joseph Gray wrote: Let me first say that I don't know anything about surveying. I have a copy of the plat survey for my house. On the survey are four sets of coordinates that resemble lat/long numbers, but obviously aren't. What

Re: [time-nuts] Linear Interpolator

2006-06-30 Thread Chuck Harris
for my own use, and sold a few to friends, etc. They are a decent unit easily equal to the quality of anything Hakko makes. I still have some left if anyone is interested. $239 + shipping. Shipping is typically $25 FedEx to the USA. -Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] Manual for Sulzer 5A and Lucent Rubidium Reference Oscillator

2006-06-26 Thread Chuck Harris
If I recall correctly, TVB has the schematics for the Sulzer's on his website. -Chuck Radio Engineer wrote: I picked up a Sulzer 5A at Dayton this year, it powers up and the 5 MHz output looks close to spec, but the 1 MHz, and 100KHz divider start intermittantly, quit and don't restart.

Re: [time-nuts] Loran - any good for timekeeping?

2006-04-21 Thread Chuck Harris
A few parts in 10E12. WWVB is junk compared to Loran-C -Chuck Harris Hal Murray wrote: The US is keeping Loran-C going as a backup for GPS as well. How good is Loran for timekeeping? How does it compare to WWVB? What sort of receiver do I need? Any good how-to type web pages

Re: [time-nuts] More on paralleling output gates

2006-04-09 Thread Chuck Harris
in parallel. Which will produce a pulse that is 1/2 height when terminated with 50 ohms... hardly TTL. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Selective Availability. Is it On or Off?

2006-03-12 Thread Chuck Harris
SA was turned off to allow the troops in Desert Storm to use civilian GPS units (there was a critical shortage of military P-band units) It has never been turned on since. -Chuck Harris Don Mimlitch wrote: My understanding is that Selective Availability was turned off. Is that True? I Have

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Selective Availability. Is it On or Off?

2006-03-12 Thread Chuck Harris
Rex wrote: On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:36:12 -0500, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SA was turned off to allow the troops in Desert Storm to use civilian GPS units (there was a critical shortage of military P-band units) It has never been turned on since. -Chuck Harris Where did you

Re: [time-nuts] manuals

2006-03-10 Thread Chuck Harris
in diameter, and the other is rectangular about 1 inch x 1-1/4. Both have 3 leads, and are mounted towards the edge of the board. They are marked Catalyst Research. Replace them with a CR2477 cell that has welded on tabs. -Chuck Harris buehl wrote: Chuck: Thanks for warning. Do I have to have unit

Re: [time-nuts] manuals

2006-03-10 Thread Chuck Harris
buehl wrote: Chuck: Thanks for warning. Do I have to have unit powered up when changing battery? Oops! I read changing to be charging. The only data the cells protect is user setups. There is no calibration data at risk. -Chuck ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Selecting server hardware (newbie question)

2006-01-31 Thread Chuck Harris
Hal Murray wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Most systems use the 32 KHz battery backed TOY (Time-of-Year) clock for timekeeping rather than the CPU crystal. Wrong, few systems do. Most systems use the 32.768 kHz xtal to run their battery-backed Real Time Clock, but this is only consulted

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-19 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Didier Juges wrote: One problem with that approach is that crystals that are not intended for oven operation are optimized for minimum frequency change over 0-50 or some other normal environment temperature range

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-19 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: It would be interesting to see how such an oven performs compared to the traditional double oven. According to a guy at the danish metrology lab, the optimal strategy is moving as little heat as you can get away

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-19 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: But that brings us back full circle: How do you do an exceptional job of controlling the temperature of a crystal that was designed to operate at 25C? You put it inside a solid block of copper or aluminium

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-19 Thread Chuck Harris
Neon John wrote: That thing stayed up there about a year until one day when the news chopper's live cam didn't have any blood'n'gore to broadcast. He flew around the tower zoomed in on the handi-talkie for a few minutes. The station manager had a cow. He vaguely knew that one of his

Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?

2006-01-03 Thread Chuck Harris
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Mike Feher wrote: I just bought myself a couple of Hakko model 850 hot air surface mount soldering stations and various nozzles. But that is at quite a considerable cost. Fine if you are a professional or dedicated hobbiest, but not if you are a child. Poppycock!

Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?

2006-01-03 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: If a kid wants to work in this arena, he will. You ought to see the mass of equipment my son access to (that he ignores completely). I don't think the question if there is a barrier as much as to what the height

Re: [time-nuts] Help - Hope?

2006-01-03 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Poul, In my opinion, the only obstacle to becoming an electronics hobbyist is the same one that has always been there, and that is interest. If you are interested, you will find a way to play. -Chuck Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: From my

Re: [time-nuts] tracor manuals

2005-11-21 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Robert, It has been a long time now, but as best as I can recall, my 599 manuals went with my 599 when I sold it. I sold it at a hamfest about 10 years ago, to an ET teacher from North Carolina his name slips my mind right now. -Chuck Robert Langenhuysen wrote: Hi, I heard from a

Re: [time-nuts] GPS timing receivers

2005-10-25 Thread Chuck Harris
Because PPS isn't encoded in the loran signal. The only way you have of recovering PPS information is to know when the next time of coincidence (TOC) will occur at your location, and start your 1PPS at that time. A TOC is when your master chain's starting pulse happens to occur at an exactly

Re: [time-nuts] Other HP 10x manuals (was HP 107BR)

2005-09-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Brooke, I don't have a manual for the 115BR, so I had to rely on my inherent mechanical intuition... I had to replace one ball bearing, and since it was an odd size, I had to turn an adapter on my lathe. I took apart all of the other shielded ball bearings, and washed them down in varsol to

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2026W

2005-09-03 Thread Chuck Harris
Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Gang, Well I finally came up with a Austron 2026W Loaran-C antenna but it came with out the whip and documentation. Can someone tell what length whip Austron Specified for this antenna. Thanks, Had K7MLR The 2026W whip antenna is 102 inches high; the base unit it

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Alberto, My point in starting this whole controversy was that there are no adjustments on the sound cards, and the oscillators are just garden variety in quality. Typically, they are simply a miniature crystal that runs an oscillator on an ASIC. The accuracy your card gets is

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Chuck Harris
for frequency. There is no reason to believe that they will be any more accurate than musicality requires. -Chuck Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: No one has yet addressed the actual oscillator that is on board the sound card. What are they using

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: I met a violinist some years back who suffered from a 440Hz tinitus on his left ear. When he tuned his fiddle after that, it was 440.0Hz measured with a frequency counter. Did you make this measurement, or were you

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
with remote reading are the norm rather than the exception - and synchronised mains frequency has become a fond memory. There are plenty of remote reading meters in the US, but they all seem to be of the Ferraris type in their measurement transducers. -Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost synchronization

2005-08-21 Thread Chuck Harris
Magnus Danielson wrote: For any solutions that give you stable frequency only (XO, RF carriers, 60 Hz) you will need a way to set the initial time and to reset the time when the batteries fail. For some countries will 60 Hz or 50 Hz no longer be maintained on 24 h basis, so it may be a bad

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-21 Thread Chuck Harris
Tom Van Baak wrote: still the powerline. Basically, any appliance, or device that plugs into the powerline is likely to use the powerline for its timing function. -chuck Correct, my measurements clearly show that mains power is steered to UTC. See:

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-21 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: However, I have never, ever heard of anyone that could prove to do better than 1 cent. Do you have any reference to your claim? Perfect pitch has always been something that has fascinated me, if only because

Re: [time-nuts] Learning technology by taking the clock apart...

2005-07-29 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Poul, Finally, my network access is back! Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: [I split off this topic, it's interesting in its own right I think] I must be very unusual, I fix modern TV's, radios, and other consumer electronics doo-dads

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC

2005-07-27 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Seaman writes: Now, for 3 t-shirts Poul, reread Rob's last paragraph, but this time with your blinders removed. I'm still trying to get the same

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC

2005-07-27 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Poul, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: hand. Seconds are just a frill to civil timekeeping. Wlll, almost. You see, the technocratic part of the population is very busy spinning a technological net around the rest of the population, a net where seconds can cost you fortunes one example

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC

2005-07-26 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Seaman writes: Pop quiz! What is the length of the day? No tricks - no gimmicks. Launch a tee-shirt to that guy in the last row. Right you are! A day on Earth is 23h 56m 4s. Now, for two t-shirts: Which fraction of the

Re: [time-nuts] 1pps signal presence with no GPS signal.

2005-07-07 Thread Chuck Harris
David Kirkby wrote: Javier wrote: Hello, The 1pps signal on a M12+ is switchable. It can be selected to be on all time or on only when tracking at least one satellite. Regards, Javier, EA1CRB Is turning off the 1pps, the best thing to do if controlling a crystal or rubidium? It seems

Re: [time-nuts] WTB FTS4060/S24 PCBs

2005-06-29 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Brooke, The FTS4050 is just a power supply, and a modular FTS5000 C-Beam in a very heavy rack mount package. I have the schematics for all of the boards in the C-Beam Mocule. Do you by any chance have a picture of the insides of a 4060? I am curious as to the arrangement. -Chuck Brooke

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Data collection cycle -- multiple sources to one counter?

2005-06-21 Thread Chuck Harris
Alberto di Bene wrote: Does anybody know what the HP 59307A uses ? It can switch from DC to 500 MHz and the measured DC resistance is on the order of 0.2 ohm. Looking into the unit reveals that the switching device is shaped like a fat IC, thermally coupled with the back panel. 73 Alberto

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Plugs on the FE 70E

2005-06-20 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Mike, I've never quite understood why the HP3437A, a 0-10V, high speed system voltmeter uses them, but it does. The Keithly 616 makes more sense because the extra shield allows them to run a guard. Something important on an electrometer where the impedances are effectively infinite. It

Re: [time-nuts] Battery backup of frequency standards

2005-06-09 Thread Chuck Harris
Don't do that! Under normal operation, it is desirable for the battery to be sealed. The seal prevent the evaporation of the electrolyte. SLA batteries, because of the way the electrolyte is gelled, don't have very much extra electrolyte. Any amount of evaporation is harmful to the battery.

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of Cesium tube

2005-05-12 Thread Chuck Harris
Richard (Rick) Karlquist (N6RK) wrote: The end of life can be due to several things, but most notable is a shortage of cesium ions to send hurling down the length of the tube, and an excess 1. Cesium atoms, not ions, are launched down the tube. They then get ionized by the hot wire ionizer. I

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of Cesium tube

2005-05-12 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Poul-Hemming, One neutral Cesium atom is a molecule by definition because it is the smallest possible unit that contains all of the properties of Cesium metal in bulk. That is the definition we worked with in the Chemistry I took in college. I have never heard a different definition. Since a

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of Cesium tube

2005-05-12 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Hi Poul-Hemming, One neutral Cesium atom is a molecule by definition because it is the smallest possible unit that contains all of the properties of Cesium metal in bulk. I was brought up to belive that it took at least

Re: [time-nuts] Physical Clocks - adjusting

2005-04-28 Thread Chuck Harris
Mike S wrote: What got my interest in precision time started was adjusting clocks - especially wristwatches. I've tried to keep track of watch time vs. WWV and tweak adjusters to make them better, but it's a very long process, and I've not been particularly successful, probably due to lack of

[time-nuts] HP/Agilent and manuals...

2005-04-25 Thread Chuck Harris
Just thought I would post a note on what is happening with websites hosting HP/Agilent manuals. It seems that Agilent has decided to rein in on websites that are hosting copies of HP/Agilent manuals. They have sent take-down notices to BAMA, and ebay, amoung others. They seem to be most

Re: [time-nuts] 5061 Cs frequency shift with long time constant?

2005-04-06 Thread Chuck Harris
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Thanks, Tom. That's another excellent point. The long term stability impact of this cap is worth considering. Following up on Brian's comment yesterday, I'm investigating sources for very low leakage caps. If I find some, I'll let the group know, and if there's a

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