Re: [time-nuts] magnetic electronic components

2015-06-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/23/15 4:02 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote: Yes, for ferrites, many (all?) of the Amidon FT-xxx parts are perfectly standard Fair-Rite cores available from full-line distributors like Mouser, Newark, etc. Iron powder cores are not stocked by any of the standard distributors that I know of, but

[time-nuts] windows and leap seconds

2015-06-24 Thread Jim Lux
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909614 basically: ignore the leap second, so your computer is fast relative to UTC, and next time you resynchronize time it adjusts Windows, these days, runs NTP http://blogs.msdn.com/b/mthree/archive/2015/01/08/leap-seconds-010815.aspx

Re: [time-nuts] magnetic electronic components

2015-06-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/22/15 12:02 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: Hi, I was looking up some stuff and realized (again) that I don't know anything about how magnetic electronic components (inductors/solenoids, transfomers, baluns, ferrite beads...) work. Yes, I can calculate the inductance, I know how to get from the

Re: [time-nuts] magnetic electronic components

2015-06-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/23/15 4:25 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote: Experimental Methods in RF Design has a half-dozen pages specifically on the choices of powdered iron and ferrite materials, and lots of working circuits and designs with measurements. Aka EMRFD. http://www.arrl.org/shop/Experimental-Methods-in-RF-Design

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/21/15 11:28 AM, Don Latham wrote: Just for fun, went to the site. $149 for basic, but by the time I added all the toolboxes I thought (!) I needed, I was over $750. sigh. Don Hence the popularity of the student license (or Octave) ___

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-20 Thread Jim Lux
on an open loop microwave source down to 10 Hz. Not quite the VCO Jim was looking for, but close …. page 25 shows down to 100 Hz, Typical Free-Running Source at 10 GHz. Eyeballing it it looks like 20dB/decade from 10-100k, a bit more from 1-10k, and almost 30 dB/decade from 100Hz to 1k. I

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/20/15 3:03 PM, Dave Daniel wrote: I wish the MathWorks would resume that practice. Back in the late 90s they would sell one licenses for MatLab and SimuLink for an affordable price if one singed an agreement that restricted one to personal (specifically, non-commercial) use. My copy from

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/18/15 1:46 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Mark: Is there any documentation on the HB100? first hit on google for HB100 microwave sensor (recognizing that what comes up as *my* first hit will probably be different than *your* first hit)...

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/18/15 3:46 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Be careful when you do find the data. When you go very close in on something like a VCO, you get much higher phase noise than we normally worry about. Some of the “assumptions” that underly the measurements are no longer true. Small angle of modulation

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/18/15 10:05 AM, Mark Sims wrote: If you want to play with a homodyne doppler radar, search Ebay for hb100 microwave sensor. It is a cute little 10 GHz doppler module that costs around $6. It can be operated in continuous or pulsed mode. The output does require a couple of op-amps to

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/17/15 1:08 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Jim, John Miles have been a bit active: http://www.ke5fx.com/brick/brick.htm Just to give you a start-sample. those seemed to be all PLL outputs.. I didn't see the bare VCO data. And, I'm really interested in the 1 Hz to 100 Hz kind of range

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/17/15 1:08 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 6/17/2015 8:22 AM, Jim Lux wrote: I'm looking for some representative data for inexpensive microwave VCOs (in the 2.5-6 GHz range, in general). Not in a locked loop situation, If the phase noise data you have goes to a low enough

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/17/15 6:15 PM, John Miles wrote: Also see http://www.ke5fx.com/gunnpll.html , a quick and dirty but successful attempt at locking a Gunnplexer in a relatively low (1 kHz) loop bandwidth. The inband noise is likely too high for good performance in a radar application, but the basic idea is

[time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-17 Thread Jim Lux
I'm looking for some representative data for inexpensive microwave VCOs (in the 2.5-6 GHz range, in general). Not in a locked loop situation, but just bare: with a DC voltage on the tuning input. I'm particularly interested in data closer than 100 Hz. Most of the data sheets (e.g. from

[time-nuts] PHK quoted in Slate online article about leap second

2015-06-14 Thread Jim Lux
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/06/next_leap_second_june_30_dangers_to_software_military_gps_banking_air_traffic.2.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] Looking for manual

2015-06-07 Thread Jim Sanford
All: Just acquired Rhode Schwarz GPS receiver (and 10 Mhz reference oscillator) ED167MP. Looking for manual; struck out on RS site and KO4BB.com Anybody have one? Suggestions? Thanks, Jim wb4...@amsat.org mailto:wb4...@amsat.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus

Re: [time-nuts] USB problems and solutions - Some what Off Topic -- USB-C

2015-06-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/2/15 4:07 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The one thing I would be a bit careful about is the power levels. Consider an 8 port hub: 5V 3A from each would be 24A total. That’s pretty unusual. Most hubs give you one or two high current outputs. There are very few 8 port hubs and lots of 7 port

Re: [time-nuts] iGPS?

2015-05-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/18/15 11:06 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Bob: In the link in the message from Brian it explains that iGPS is for military users of the Iridium system. The key feature is to allow a moving vehicle to lock on the GPS signal while being jammed. They do that and also get a more accurate fix by

Re: [time-nuts] iGPS?

2015-05-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/18/15 7:59 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Yes GPS can do better than 50M but we are talking about a single fix from a cell phone in a moving car not a survey receiver. . The displayed location is better because the phone applies a filter to the location data. Some thing like a Kalman filter.

Re: [time-nuts] Time in a cave

2015-05-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/12/15 4:00 PM, Tucek, Joseph wrote: I'm looking for information on non-GPS time sources. For background, I need to provide PTP to a cluster where we don't have line of sight to the sky, and are unlikely to get roof-rights without a fight. There are CDMA solutions that would work (e.g.

Re: [time-nuts] EMI and CE certification

2015-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/11/15 12:52 PM, Adrian Godwin wrote: Is it driven as an inductive loop? That might put it under different regulations. On 11 May 2015 17:47, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Yes, but in the case of the lawnmower fence, and the invisible dog fence, the transmitter drives the fence

[time-nuts] SVG Re: lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/15 11:40 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 45C7C6B09BC548C19241E4E0673E9E9F@system072, Bill Hawkins writes: Did the pictures have to be in SVG format? Is this only a problem for those who routinely use SVG? A problem how ? I *like* SVG since you can zoom without

Re: [time-nuts] Important parameters for a GPS/GNSS antenna

2015-05-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/8/15 11:37 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message fc02a5e8-5396-4474-a307-546e10909...@n1k.org, Bob Camp writes: The “put the antenna up and rotate it to see what happens” experiment has indeed been done. The objective was not correcting the antenna’s issues, but validating that

Re: [time-nuts] lawnmower robots may be the end of VLF timekeeping

2015-05-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/9/15 5:15 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I spent some time capturing some data today. The measurements is from my $20 loop-antenna in the attic, which is something like 8 meters up and 10 meters besides the lawn-mower loop: http://phk.freebsd.dk/time/20150509.html Clearly, you

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361/Thunderbolt antenna advice

2015-05-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/6/15 3:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: GPS helix antennas were a really big deal in about 1982. Once people started to get experience with GPS and a variety of designs, they became less of a big deal. I do not know of any modern precision antennas that use a helix. Most precision antennas

Re: [time-nuts] Important parameters for a GPS/GNSS antenna

2015-05-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/7/15 7:23 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sun, 03 May 2015 07:29:30 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: When you post-process raw GPS data you get to include antenna phase center / gain / az/el corrections for free. Speaking of which... I wonder if anybody ever made a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361/Thunderbolt antenna advice

2015-05-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/6/15 12:53 AM, John Marsden wrote: Ok, I only ask becuse there seemed to be a big thing about LHCP quad helix antennas - even to the point of seein an article showing how to 'unwrap. a RHCP Q-H, and rewrap it 'inside-out' to change the polarisation to LHCP. I'm seriously considering

Re: [time-nuts] New +/- 1 sec in 100 days mech clock

2015-04-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/20/15 12:59 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 00:40:06 -0700 Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Mechanical, yes. Home brew, no. It is an absolutely stunning clock, both in beauty and performance. Given the fact that a CNC milling machine can be bought quite

Re: [time-nuts] Tuning a Trimble Thunderbolt

2015-04-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/20/15 7:25 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Unfortunately, you are unlikely to do any better than this with the antenna location you described. Time to buy a house, with no tall trees nearby. (You may already have heard that time-nuttiness can be expensive ;-) Actually, what you

Re: [time-nuts] Visual clock comparison

2015-04-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/18/15 7:02 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Many years ago while standing around (between races) with some pretty good stopwatches, a group of us decided to see just how well a set of people could time the same pair of start / stop events. Our conclusion was that as a group we could get agreement

[time-nuts] last page in april 2015 IEEE Spectrum

2015-04-18 Thread Jim Lux
An interesting look back: it's a copy of a Tracor ad showing someone carrying a portable Rb clock down the stairs of a PSA plane. Lots of history in that photo: no jetway, PSA, people wearing coat and tie on an airplane. Even the street name for GTC, on Bellanca Av, redolent of long-gone

Re: [time-nuts] [volt-nuts] The Art of Electronics

2015-04-17 Thread Jim Palfreyman
What's been added? This is a brilliant book, but I need to know what the updates are! Jim On 17 April 2015 at 18:12, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 20150417074427.ga31...@sol.ermione.com, Andrea Baldoni writes: Hello. In the case someone missed the new

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/15 11:33 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi, O One might look at the available frequencies and see if there is a telemetry band available which allows wider bandwidth. For the application, I don't see that very much transmitted power is needed. If the OP is a licensed amateur radio

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/6/15 2:14 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:51:34 -0500 Robert Watzlavick roc...@watzlavick.com wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:12 PM, Robert Watzlavick wrote: I have an amateur radio license (mostly CW/HF and some VHF/UHF experience) and I've written some driver software for

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/6/15 2:21 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:49:01 +0200 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.se wrote: This is on either side of the amateur 23 cm band. That's also the first band where you have bandwidth enough to fool around with stuff like this without breaking the bandplan.

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/28/15 10:27 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi So If the rocket continuously accelerates at 10,000 G’s, you will get a 20 ppm shift with typical sensitivity. If you do this for very long, you will also get into time dilation issues. (you hit 0.1C in 2 minutes). 10,000G is more like an

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/25/15 7:27 PM, Robert Watzlavick wrote: I'm working on a project that I could use some advice on and also might be of interest to the list. If it's not appropriate for the list, my apologies. I want to develop a tracking system for an amateur rocket that can allow me to track the rocket

Re: [time-nuts] simple explanation of noise spectra with mixing

2015-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/1/15 10:23 AM, Joseph Gwinn wrote: time-nuts Digest, Vol 128, Issue 1, Message: 8 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:46:18 -0800 From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] simple explanation of noise

[time-nuts] Monsanto IC

2015-03-01 Thread jim s
the IC for sale. Any info appreciated. thanks Jim http://www.etestmanuals.com/Search.aspx?Mfg=MON Ebay listing for a monsanto counter / timer VINTAGE-Monsanto-110B-Programmable-Counter-Timer-/ http://www.ebay.com/itm/331268326313 Monsanto IC: Monsanto-SD102-Vintage-Very-Rare-White-Ceramic-Gold

[time-nuts] simple explanation of noise spectra with mixing, etc.

2015-02-28 Thread Jim Lux
Is there a handy one pager kind of explanation of noise spectra after some forms of signal processing.. For instance, if you have a oscillator which has a 1/f characteristic, and you mix it with itself, what is the spectra of the output of the mixer. Or if you have a 1/f^3 characteristic

Re: [time-nuts] patek phillipe digital clock, sold as curio/antique

2015-02-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/27/15 3:23 AM, Flemming Larsen wrote: Check the price here: Patek Philippe Digital Display Clock | | | | | | | | | | | Patek Philippe Digital Display ClockVintage digital display clock by Patek Philippe of Geneva. Made for Abou Watfa of Damascus, circa 1970. Rare Patek

[time-nuts] patek phillipe digital clock, sold as curio/antique

2015-02-27 Thread Jim Lux
In yesterday's Wall Street Journal (or maybe USA Today, I can't remember..) Nice Nixie displays... I wonder if it normally displays the same time on all, or if it is a multi-time zone/elapsed time kind of thing. It looks a lot like clock display stacks used for displaying Mission Elapsed

Re: [time-nuts] Navstar Systems Ltd

2015-02-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/21/15 9:32 AM, Alberto di Bene wrote: So I agree that the best use I can make of that Navstar mushroom unit is to pry it open, and try to find the electrical signals before they are converted to optical... at least now, thanks to David, I know what the supply voltage of the beast is...

[time-nuts] Navstar Systems Ltd

2015-02-21 Thread Jim Lux
Alberto posted some pictures of a GPS receiver from Navstar Systems Ltd.. They're still in business, but don't appear to be doing that any more.. However, I did run across this: Sarantel is a spin-off of Symmetricom founded in 2000 by Dr. Leisten. Leisten was spearheading the development of a

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/20/15 6:30 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: I think the easiest cable to make really long, if one must be long is the antenna cable. Use 100 meters of the kind of cable they use for cable TV. It comes double shield and has those compression type F connectors. The cable can cary both the GPS

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/19/15 1:59 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:51:04 +0100 Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: When i had one on my desk, i opened it up, but apparently i forgot to take pictures. From what i remember, i think it works either similar to the VNWA design done by DG8SAQ[1,2]

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/19/15 9:11 AM, Matt wrote: Hi, My university would like to have a 1ms precise source of time to do some networking experiments (measure one way propagation delays etc...). So I wandered on the internet to find the best choice with a budget of ~1000€ (~1100 American dollars). I've been

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/18/15 1:49 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: You could try tinyVNA[1]. I have used it once, it has some quirks (it's half hobby, half commercial project and that shows) but works otherwise. I have no idea how accurate it is. Attila Kinali [1]

[time-nuts] CSAC change in temperature, max is now 40C

2015-02-09 Thread Jim Lux
The latest rev of the CSAC data sheet (rev H) shows the max non-operating temperature to be 40C.. and operating from -10 to +35C that's a substantial difference from the former version of the sheet which presumably had the temperatures from the summary page: The Quantum SA.45s Chip Scale

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-08 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/8/15 2:11 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 10:07:44 -0800 Tom McDermott tom.n...@gmail.com wrote: While compensating for cable delay is relatively straight forward by measuring the length and compensating for the velocity factor, a question is: how much amplifier / filter group

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab with Wine: No RS232 interface available

2015-02-07 Thread Jim Lux
from a freq counter for some ADEV measurements. Once HYPERTRM runs, no other program can access the serial port. Good point, I tried TimeLab direclty after fresh reboots, but the interfaces are still invisible. Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net One trick with Windows is to disable and then renable

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/6/15 12:42 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: The typical noise generator chips uses a PRNG based on DFFs and XOR gate(s). A typical weakness is that the chain of DFFs is to short, causing a relatively high rate of cycling, which hearable as a beating. However, for

[time-nuts] Systron Donner IMU/GPS and/or Jupiter Pico

2015-02-06 Thread Jim Lux
I have a colleague who's using the Systron-Donner MMQ IMU/GPS unit, and he's wondering if there's a way to get integer seconds out of it. It uses a Jupiter Pico GPS, I believe, and one of the messages provides Seconds of Week GPS time, as well as UTC seconds and UTC day, month, year. So

Re: [time-nuts] Good references on holdover?

2015-02-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/6/15 1:21 AM, Javier Serrano wrote: Dear all, We would like to start working on holdover performance for White Rabbit [1]. This is a new domain for us. Our main use case is a WR switch losing its reference because someone disconnects a fiber. We can have redundancy, but it will take some

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab with Wine: No RS232 interface available

2015-02-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/4/15 3:55 PM, Mark Sims wrote: I have seen several issues with Windows programs not releasing (or perhaps not being able to releaase) the serial ports after using them. Once one of these programs accesses the serial port, no other programs can use it until you re-boot. I'm fighting

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/25/15 1:30 PM, WarrenS via time-nuts wrote: I second Poul-Henning Kamp's comments concerning D-terms, (mostly) as done in the TBolt and likely other GPSDOs. Bear in mind that a PID loop is basically a fairly simple control loop that is easily susceptible to linear analysis. They're

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/26/15 5:55 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 54c5a270.7090...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: And there's decades, if not centuries, of experience with P, PI and PID controllers in a practical sense. Not quite a century I belive: Only the advent of electronics formalized

Re: [time-nuts] What are some cw signal Generators for ATE test?

2015-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/17/15 6:59 PM, Ivan.Cousins wrote: time-nuts members: What are some signal generators for ATE test? Requirements: 100MHz to =10GHz (higher would be better) Settling time less than 1mS Reasonable phase noise Cost, less than mortgaging a house.:) 1ms settling time is fairly fast.

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/16/15 4:58 AM, Li Ang wrote: Hi I have a question about the GPS antenna. Since the GPS signal strength on the ground is about 20db lower than the thermal noise, does the gain of antenna matter? Not a whole lot.. Obviously, you don't want something -10dBi, and there is a direct effect

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/13/15 2:41 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:09:45 + Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: One exception here is space qualified oscillators. For those you go to the JPL and ask them to help you. Actually, you want to go to Applied Physics Labs (APL).. they're the

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPIB

2015-01-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/12/15 1:00 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Yes, you can get an Arduino R3 on eBay for $4 with shipping... The GPIB connector will cost you more! Didier KO4BB A sandwich of two PCB is about the same thickness as the center plug of a GPIB male connector. So layout 2x12 pads to match the pins and

Re: [time-nuts] Sources for Mission Time Clock

2015-01-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/11/15 7:30 AM, Martin A Flynn wrote: I am looking for a GMT/GET mission time clock that has the following characteristics: * Reads T minus prior to launch or deployment, T plus after. * Second display for GMT. * Simulating it on a PC display would be OK, would prefer an LED/LCD

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/9/15 4:57 PM, Henry Hallam wrote: Such slewing solutions are OK for Google. They wouldn't work well for one of the systems I work with, which uses system time to calculate the position of a LEO satellite for purpose of pointing a 7.6 meter X-band dish. Half a second of error corresponds

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/10/15 1:25 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Which is why we use TAI in the space business and don't fool with this Greenwich Mean Time or Coordinated Universal Time which is discontinuous and potentially non-monotonic. Does the system clock on your PCs run on TAI or do

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/10/15 3:08 PM, Hal Murray wrote: hol...@hotmail.com said: Basically the solenoid nudged the pendulum There was an article in Scientific American many years ago. They used a magnet mounted on the end of a stick attached to the pendulum arm. The arc of the magnet swung through a hole in

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/9/15 7:42 AM, steph.rey wrote: Hi Bob, Many thanks for your prompt and detailled answer. My question on applications wasn't on good ADEV where I perfetcly understand the need, but actually what could be the applications of measuring BAD ADEV (10e-7). That was my point asking what king of

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Rings and Points North

2014-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/14, 4:36 AM, Bob Camp wrote: HI On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:07 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: I would venture that the extent of the magic was to note the physical center of the array, and call that the phase center. As long as you always orient the antenna in the same

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: New NANU 2014090

2014-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/14, 5:20 AM, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Not sure if this is quite the right platform, but for someone wanting to experiment it may be worth a look... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver http://www.swiftnav.com/piksi.html from that page: 3-bit, 16.368

Re: [time-nuts] Simple AC mains zero-cross detector

2014-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/14, 6:46 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Seems to me CFLs and other loads switching on and off would affect the 60 Hz waveform enough to make microsecond measurements meaningless. folks measure the frequency to tenths of a Hz (albeit not a single cycle).. 0.1 Hz out of 60 Hz is 27

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Rings and Points North

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/15/14, 8:10 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: But to prove us wrong, put the antenna on a 17 hour turn-table, collect data for 6 months, and then see if you see any 17h peaks in the FFT! Clever idea, but.. Most rotary joints have more phase and amplitude variability than the antenna. So

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Rings and Points North

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/16/14, 5:59 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Clever idea, but.. Most rotary joints have more phase and amplitude variability than the antenna. So you're stuck with rotating back and forth with a cable that's flexing and now you get to measure the phase variability of the coax. I was thinking of

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: New NANU 2014090

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/16/14, 3:36 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Paul, That is indeed the question. Considering that the signal is better supported, I hope the light goes on somewhere. The signals is all 1,023 Mchips/s, just a thad different. Should be possible to pull off if people want to do dual frequency

Re: [time-nuts] CGSIC: FW: New NANU 2014090

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/16/14, 4:06 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Dec 16, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 12/16/14, 3:36 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Paul, That is indeed the question. Considering that the signal is better supported, I hope the light goes on somewhere. The signals is all

Re: [time-nuts] CGSIC: FW: New NANU 2014090

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/16/14, 4:29 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Jim, Bob, On 12/17/2014 01:06 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Dec 16, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 12/16/14, 3:36 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Paul, That is indeed the question. Considering that the signal is better

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging

2014-12-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/15/14, 5:35 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Angus not.ag...@btinternet.com wrote: But is it the closest to the 'true' position that you really want, or the best estimate of where the particular GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Rings and Points North

2014-12-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/15/14, 5:46 PM, Dave M wrote: With all the discussion about surveys position accuracy, I have a question about my choke ring antenna. There is an arrow marked N on the underside of the rings. How accurately does the alignment need to be to North? True north or magnetic north (my

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging

2014-12-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/15/14, 6:46 PM, Paul wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: if you've got observables and they're in RINEX format, you can do offline processing through JPL's GIPSY thing.. According to the upload form APPS still requires dual frequency

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-12-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/28/14, 7:55 AM, Richard Karlquist wrote: I find it odd that an instrument that probably cost $50,000 when new did not have a TCXO as standard, and perhaps an oven as an option. But I think HP did this sort of thing a lot. Something that would have cost very little to add, became an

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency distribution isolation transformers YCL20F001n arrived

2014-12-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/14/14, 10:41 AM, paul swed wrote: Well with zero effort the spec sheet. Bob indeed there are common mode chokes in them. Jeeze a lot in 1 package along with center taps. Regards Paul WB8TSL I've seen a lot of MiniCircuits BNC 10.7 MHz BPFs used in equipment racks over the years as a

Re: [time-nuts] Which First GPSDO to buy?

2014-12-13 Thread Jim Harman
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Re: [time-nuts] SMIQ manual

2014-12-12 Thread Jim Harman
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Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints... -- WHY?

2014-12-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/12/14, 5:09 AM, Bob Camp wrote: ——— Are we really that far apart - not really. We each are talking about two sides of the same coin. The real world is a messy place. Analysis often takes a back seat to the “fun of doing something”. That’s not to say it should though … And sometimes,

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/10/14, 9:45 PM, Mike Cook wrote: Le 11 déc. 2014 à 05:47, Brian Lloyd br...@lloyd.aero a écrit : On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Those sub 1 u-second numbers are very good. They argue for using the BBB as an NTP server but I wonder

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/11/14, 6:14 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote: On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Ah, but will the exact same single board computer be available for replacement in 5 years? Most likely not. These days I can't imagine a manufacturer making the same SBC or mobo

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/11/14, 7:04 AM, Paul wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Your logic would disqualify EVERY computer made today. What will still be in production in 10 years? The ones you make yourself. Or if you're a nation-state the ones you

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/11/14, 7:35 AM, Paul wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Linux isn't a whole lot better. If you have a system you cobbled together in 2004 In the PPS via GPIO this is an issue and you don't have to go back 10 years. There's been a major change

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/11/14, 8:11 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote: Discussing the lifetime of NTP server hardware is all well and good but given the thrust of this list, i.e. individual time-nuttery, I don't see it as being too germane. Few of us have the same problems that Jim Lux has at JPL. Actually, I think my

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/11/14, 9:54 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually, I think my point was that the problems I face at JPL are essentially identical to the problems we face at home. I'm not in the time and frequency group (and I don't know

Re: [time-nuts] tcxo

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Harman
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[time-nuts] 100 MHz VCXOs

2014-12-11 Thread Jim Sanford
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Re: [time-nuts] 1968 Scientific American Magazine: Cesium ClockStandards

2014-12-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/10/14, 6:31 AM, Alan Melia wrote: Hi Dave, as a long time reader (since 1955) and subscriber I remember the Amateur scientist pages ending in the 1980s. I think the contributer retired. At around that time I think the many adherents formed the Society of Amateur Scientists. Though I have

Re: [time-nuts] tcxo

2014-12-10 Thread Jim Harman
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Re: [time-nuts] 1900kHz radiolcation testing on east coast US?

2014-12-08 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/8/14, 6:15 AM, Brian Inglis wrote: On 2014-12-07 16:28, Tim Shoppa wrote: Would any time-nuts know of radiolocation-type testing going on, on east coast of US, maybe around Maine? There is a very strong wideband signal on 1900-1920kHz, with a 120Hz substructure and a 4Hz rep-rate, likely

Re: [time-nuts] tcxo

2014-12-07 Thread Jim Harman
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Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-12-07 Thread Jim Harman
is able to select the 12 BEST places GPS satellites that are in view. This is not a great effect as long as there is enough sky that there are always some in view. -- --Jim Harman ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe

Re: [time-nuts] FYI: Galileo satellite recovered and transmitting navigation signals

2014-12-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/6/14, 6:18 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:47:54 +0100 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Also, GPS L2C and L5 signals is already there. AFAIK there is no satellite with L5 capabilities in space yet. Also L2C is still marked as unhealthy.

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-12-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/5/14, 4:50 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: On 5 Dec 2014 12:23, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Shipping across the atlantic has become silly expensive over the last decade. There are a *lot* of organizations that are behind the curve on figuring out how to do it

Re: [time-nuts] Wenzel 100 MHz Oscillators (w/ EFC) available

2014-12-05 Thread Jim Sanford
Skip: I would like one, if you have any left. How do I pay? Thanks, Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 12/5/2014 1:00 PM, Skip Withrow wrote: Hello time-nuts, Please excuse the blatantly commercial announcement, I generally keep business matters off the list, but I have some Wenzel oscillators that may

[time-nuts] tutorial on phase noise and PLLs?

2014-12-04 Thread Jim Lux
I'm looking for a real short (3-4 slides or a website, really) description of why the phase noise of a PLL (microwave) looks the way it does, explaining (in sort of qualitative terms) how the phase noise transitions from the VCO (outside the loop bandwidth) to the reference (inside the loop

Re: [time-nuts] tutorial on phase noise and PLLs?

2014-12-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/4/14, 2:59 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Jim, On 12/04/2014 08:41 PM, Jim Lux wrote: I'm looking for a real short (3-4 slides or a website, really) description of why the phase noise of a PLL (microwave) looks the way it does, explaining (in sort of qualitative terms) how the phase noise

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