Re: [time-nuts] Aircraft ping timing

2014-03-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/19/14 5:21 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: They only got one ping from INMARSAT at 64E above the Indian Ocean. There was no other ping to triangulate the position. One ping projects a circle on the Earth. The maximum flying range of the plane determined the ends of the NE and SE arcs of that

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/16/14 8:13 AM, d0ct0r wrote: Thanks ! Looks like I am on the right track. I've attached couple of documents which could be useful. I'am going to use two separated voltage regulators for VCC/AVDD and DVDD. And use 10 Ohm / 100Mhz ferrite board and few capacitors to separate VCC and AVDD.

Re: [time-nuts] Power Supply for AD9852 / AD9854

2014-03-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/16/14 9:34 AM, d0ct0r wrote: I would assume that using two voltage regulators will spread the load. For the AD9851 I'am planning to put external radiator glued on top of it. It's not the power dissipation of the regulators that's the concern, it's the dissipation of the 9854. A

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2014-03-14 Thread Jim Sanford
you describe in IEEE pubs (I'm a member of the power energy society) but don't remember much detail. All the best, Jim wb4...@amat.org On 3/13/2014 2:17 AM, Hal Murray wrote: [Context is maybe(?) withdrawing the proposal to stop keeping time on the US power line.] wb4...@wb4gcs.org said: Since

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Math Question

2014-03-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/12/14 10:06 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Daniel Mendes dmend...@gmail.com wrote: This is a FIR x IIR question... moving average = FIR filter with all N coeficients equalling 1/N exponential average = using a simple rule to make an IIR filter Isn't his

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency

2014-03-12 Thread Jim Sanford
accurate. Hope this helps. Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 3/12/2014 3:23 PM, Hal Murray wrote: So we know there are deviations in line freq. But it seems strange in this era of very accurate and inexpensive freq references. How much is related to the generation? Controlling the line frequency is a giant PLL

[time-nuts] Range of Sawtooth values?

2014-03-09 Thread Jim Miller
Just curious as to the range of sawtooth values that are typical for timing receivers. What's the maximum correction needed? Thanks jim ab3cv ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-08 Thread Jim Miller
Hi Hal Not arguing for or against sawtooth or hanging bridges, etc. My needs for GPSDO performance are unquantified but likely quite modest. I just want to get something working that's a bit better than my OCXO. I don't think I need the sawtooth stuff to get started. Thanks jim ab3cv Date

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Miller
I think the hardware delay line approach is the only solution for a simple D FF lead/lag phase comparator. It would be placed ahead of the FF. Which GPS being built now provide sawtooth info? 73 jim ab3cv ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Miller
in the uBlox u-Center software users guide. Thanks Jim ab3cv Message: 3 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 16:26:35 +0100 From: Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/7/14 12:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Lars Walenius lars.walen...@hotmail.com wrote: Chris, about using one Arduino for two GPSDO controllers: Even if a microcontroller has lots of capacity I would recommend to use separate controllers for each

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/7/14 3:33 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Let's see what is needed. The ADC is 10-bits so it can read to one part in 1024. It's a 5 volt full scale so we are only able to measure 5 millivolt increments if you use the teensy3 it has a 16 bit ADC with realistically, about 13 bits

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-07 Thread Jim Miller
publish a schematic, code and test results once I have something working. Thanks Jim ab3cv Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:23:54 -0800 From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/14 2:18 AM, Hal Murray wrote: Junk crystals are good thermometers. Ballpark is 1 ppm/degree-C albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: So does this mean I can epoxy a sandstone power resister to a junk crystal and keep the frequency exactly perfect by varying the power in the resister?

Re: [time-nuts] FSCM 38243 Power Distribution Module

2014-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/14 8:32 AM, Glen Hoag wrote: FSCM 38243 is the manufacturer information. FSCM is the Federal Supply Code for Manufacturers, which appears to be a subset of CAGE (Commercial and Government Entity) codes maintained by the Defense Logistics Agency. FSCM 38243 appears to be PG Electronics

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/14 11:09 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: Junk crystals are good thermometers. Ballpark is 1 ppm/degree-C So does this mean I can epoxy a sandstone power resister to a junk crystal and keep the frequency exactly perfect by varying the power in the resister? Yes.. but you have to hold

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/14 12:21 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi As long as your resistor keeps the temperature to within a micro degree it will do pretty well. Oh, you were looking for 1E-12.. I was thinking 1E-9 would be good enough. The other issue is that the phase noise might be pretty bad with a cheap

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/14 1:00 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 02/03/14 21:45, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The gotcha is that there are second order temperature effects. If you are going to run the crystal very far off turn, you need to keep it more stable than you might think. hysteresis, memory effect, restart of

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
As Jim mentions in another post, you can run on the fundamental and the third (or 5th or 7th) and get a thermometer out of the delta between the two modes. The gotcha is that a change in load impedance will shift the frequencies unequally. That will give you an apparent temperature change. I

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/27/14 6:40 AM, Didier Juges wrote: The BBB has 2GB of flash on board (non removable) and has a micro SD socket. Would not be too hard to keep a backup copy of the OS and apps on the SD card so that it would be easy to boot from SD and reload the built-in flash if the BBB fails to boot

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968

2014-02-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/26/14 12:44 AM, Hal Murray wrote: rich...@karlquist.com said: Solid dielectric cable and connectors of 3.5 mm size are mode limited to 18 GHz. That is why there is so much stuff rated at 18 GHz as opposed to 16 or 20 GHz. Thanks. That's what I was looking for. Wiki says that SMA

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968

2014-02-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/25/14 1:40 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: So what's all this about a Thallium Beam Tube??? For info about the pro/con of Thallium beam frequency standards, see: http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/9.pdf http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/211.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] Different breed of time nuttery

2014-02-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/23/14 8:11 PM, Daniel Mendes wrote: This is a different breed of time nuttery than usual in this list but i think that at least some of you will enjoy it: http://www.behance.net/gallery/FLUX-1440/2420150 Found it at hack a day An enormous amount of work went into painting the

Re: [time-nuts] Different breed of time nuttery

2014-02-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/24/14 6:08 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Really impressive would be to have it create the patterns that make the numeric display out of only several feet of slowly moving rope connected as a loop... but that would require some thinking, rather than just a brute force approach. It's art, after

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968

2014-02-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/24/14 8:17 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message caa-f0u_jbz5dyb+hacmwfpkz6vhfo7arz+jpsmhrt9uss2n...@mail.gmail.com , Pete Lancashire writes: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/publications/measure/pdf/1968_09.pdf pages 8 9 As far as I know, those satellites never made it

[time-nuts] connor winfield GPSDO module phase noise

2014-02-22 Thread Jim Lux
I ran across these units http://www.conwin.com/time-frequency_references-gps_disciplined-gps_references.html and I found some references from a few years ago in the time-nuts archives, but I can't find any data on phase noise, etc. for the disciplined output. The data sheet/user manual/etc

Re: [time-nuts] comparing two clocks

2014-02-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/22/14 5:17 AM, Jimmy Burrell wrote: I need some help with a 'noob' question regarding some practical examples in some of the NIST literature. When attempting to compare two clocks, I'm a bit confused on the subject of exactly how to use my counter to compare a delayed clock relative to

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB antennas

2014-02-22 Thread JIM FARLEY
Google 'fractal antenna'.  Fractal Antennas are a relatively recent (late 1980's to mid-1990's) discovery/invention.  I have read that they are approximately 20% more efficient than normal antennas.  Jim, KG4FXV From: d0ct0r t...@patoka.org To: Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] connor winfield GPSDO module phase noise

2014-02-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/22/14 10:01 AM, Said Jackson wrote: Jim, Check the archives, I am pretty sure I reported on one of them, I think it was on the FTS-250.. Or FTS-125. Found it.. thanks.. the key was to put your name in the search My recollection: Not that bad for the price, but phase noise and spurs

Re: [time-nuts] connor winfield GPSDO module phase noise

2014-02-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/22/14 6:06 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Jim, not sure if I had sent these before, or if you found them in the archives, here are my ADEV, phase noise, and frequency stability measurements results of the FTS-250. All I did was remove the GPS antenna for about 10 seconds during the test

Re: [time-nuts] ID this filter

2014-02-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/21/14 5:37 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: It may be a downconverter rather than a filter some GPS time systems notably ones by true time used an active down converter to transform signal to baseband for long cable runs. Voltage to converter was rather high as I recall Sent from my iPhone

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/20/14 4:40 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2014, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: The large amplitude swings happen on a very short time scale too. Certainly 1 second at times. 8-bits is 48 dB. 16-bit parts at 60kHz should be cheap now. Why bother with AGC? Just make

Re: [time-nuts] Valentines Day Love Numbers

2014-02-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/19/14 10:24 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: This means that the concrete piers where many Cesium clocks and GPS reference stations are located are bobbing up and down as if they were on a ocean, although only tens of inches. My GPS friends comment when you start getting to sub-meter

Re: [time-nuts] GPS accuracy specs

2014-02-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/16/14 11:55 AM, Jimmy D. Burrell wrote: I've looked at several different manufacturer GPS datasheets now regarding the 1 PPS output in an attempt to compare apples to apples. Some of them rate their 1 PPS output as something on the order of PPS signals have an accuracy ranging 10ns which

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/13/14 10:09 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Atmega? I posted this off list, but I'm reposting on the list with mnor edits. I think there might be people

Re: [time-nuts] Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/13/14 4:27 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The number of bits and the performance of the ADC’s on the Arduino’s is pretty underwhelming compared to the stuff on other similarly priced MCU’s. If you are doing a design where the ADC matters, a PIC or just about anything from TI or Freescale will

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-10 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
screwdriver handle. And if nothing more shows up, I'll try opening it up and looking for 'dry' or otherwise crook solder joints, etc. I did find the idea of rubidium movement inside the bulb an interesting one, though. It's a possibility, isn't it? Cheers, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-10 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
you to use an external source of 1Hz pulses like those from a GPS receiver or a GPSDO, or a Rb Freq Reference. The dividers operate on these 1Hz/1pps pulses as well, to provide gating times of 1s, 10s, 100s or 1000s. It seems to work pretty well. Cheers, Jim Rowe -Original Message

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-09 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
Hi Mark, I doubt if the counter is off frequency, since I'm using the 1pps pulses from my GPSDO as its timebase. So although there's a bit of short-term jitter, the longer-term count should be very close. I will try the experiment you suggest, though, and see what difference inversion makes

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-09 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
Hi Magnus, Thanks for your further comments. As you probably saw in my reply to Mark Sims, I am proposing to check the swing limits 'before and after' inverting the unit, to check out the theory before I open it up and try tweaking C217. Cheers, Jim -Original Message- From

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-09 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
in the right-side-up position. I don't want to tempt fate, while its OK. What's that old adage? If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. Cheers all, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From: Jamieson (Jim) Rowe Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 8:05 AM To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-08 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
between 9.999770 and 10.36MHz -- i.e., about 230Hz low and about 36Hz high. But it was spending more of the time below 10MHz than above -- does this suggest to you that I should tweak C217 until it swings by about the same amount either way? Cheers, Jim -Original Message- From

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-08 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
'right way up' -- right? Cheers, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From: beale Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 6:40 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts]How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia The entry in the FE5680 FAQ on this subject may be helpful, if you

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-08 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
Hi Ignacio, Thanks for your comments also. I will open up the unit and see if I can find any dry or poorly soldered joints, etc. Best regards, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From: EB4APL Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 12:21 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-08 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
Thanks for that suggestion too, Mr Kehren. I'll check for dry joints, etc in that region also... Cheers, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From: ewkehren Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 12:39 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney

[time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-06 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
that another approach might be to try varying the tuning via the RS-232C serial port? Does this work via the C-tuning coil anyway, or by tweaking the DDS? I hope a much more experienced time nut can provide a few answers, please. Jim Rowe ___ time

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-06 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
all (I do have quite a bit of electrical wiring and electronic gear in my work room). All the best, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From: Ed Palmer Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:54 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-06 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
-metal shield case... Best regards, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From: Tom Harris Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:31 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia I got into trouble once when we

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-06 Thread Jamieson (Jim) Rowe
Hi Magnus, Thanks for those suggestions also. So if I understand you right, I'd be better off trying to tweak the oscillator tuning -- using the trimcap? Or did you mean via the RS-232C 'offset adjustment' command? Regards, Jim Rowe -Original Message- From: Magnus Danielson

[time-nuts] Piezo Company OXCO pinouts (William Rice)

2014-01-30 Thread Jim Teixeira
no frequency change. I think this indicates that an internal voltage regulator is used in the crystal circuitry and that it needs at least 20 volts to work. Jim Teixeira ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/24/14 11:57 AM, Volker Esper wrote: Nice! I didn't know that. But what a number, 300... Why such a digital-hostile factor? Why not 256 or 512? Volker Am 24.01.2014 20:51, schrieb tmil...@skylinenet.net: 9.8304 MHz divided by 300 is 32,768 Hz. Feed that to an electronic clock and you

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 10:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Lizeth Norman normanliz...@gmail.comwrote: Is it possible to write (assuming the poor little creature would do it) a piece of code, that given your lat/long, the time and a two line element set for an orbiting

[time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
to compensate.. Or, provide a finer resolution for the timer libraries. I suspect someone has already done this, so I'll do some googling. #include TimerOne.h #include Time.h // Solar clock to drive mechanical mechanism // Jim Lux, 19 Jan 2014 // assumes a mechanical clock is connected

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
much the same for it as well. The math gets a bit more complicated, but the drop / add result nets out to the same thing. Yes, that's something I need to add: a overall rate adjust to calibrate the crystal. Bob On Jan 20, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: here's

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 9:20 AM, Jim Lux wrote: Interestingly, it occurred to me that one could just add a sufficiently large deviation random number to the period each time to dither it. The rate changes once per hour (per tvb's EOT routine), so there's 3600 ticks at a given rate. If I were to vary

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 9:48 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There are *lots* of ways to do any sort of code. I can’t think of any practical problem that has a single unique “best” way to do it. All I’m trying to say is that there is a way to get the job done (to much better accuracy than you need) with what you

[time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 1:51 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Use 24h clocks for best results. They can be had from www.clockkit.com, an excellent source of DIY quartz clock parts. I couldn't find 24hr movements on the clockkit.com site.. where are they? ___

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 10:06 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/19/14 1:51 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Use 24h clocks for best results. They can be had from www.clockkit.com, an excellent source of DIY quartz clock parts. I couldn't find 24hr movements on the clockkit.com site.. where are they? http

[time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
So here's my next idea.. Set up a 24 hour movement (no minute hand) so that you have the sun moving around the dial: at the top at solar noon, with the rate being reasonably constant around the dial(e.g. using the solar clock algorithms developed) Then, have two other pointers or sectored

Re: [time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 11:00 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I realize this is *exactly* what the OP didn’t want to do, but …. A PI or any of the little dedicated ARM + GPU gizmos driving a cheap junk HDMI monitor or TV would make for a very nice display of all that data… The total cost could still be under

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 3:32 PM, Rex wrote: That listing is a bit vague about if it has a second hand. For the kind of pulse drive that has been discussed here, it seems you would want a definite second capability and step vs. smooth second hand drive. I know nothing except a little web searching, but this

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 5:57 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Since most of those cheapo movements are a simple single-coil motor, energized with alternating polarity short pulses, it would seem that there is no need for a 24 hour movement. You can just have your micro pulse it twice the normal period, but

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 6:15 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/19/14 10:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Lizeth Norman normanliz...@gmail.com wrote: This is why I am a fan of the Teensy3... It's

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 2:00 AM, P Nielsen wrote: To Jim Lux. After you get it working, would you consider putting the details online, or selling as a kit? Half coded. I'll publish all the details.. It's pretty easy.. a Arduino, a clock, a wall wart to power it. I haven't tried it yet (no clock to test

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 1:49 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Are you perhaps thinking of sidereal time, Chris? Either way, the difference is within the limits of the basic tin wind-up alarm clock. A quality wrist watch

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 9:17 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: The usual quartz clock that runs off of a AA cell is a little trickier to drive than you might think. You need to feed its stepper motor coil with an alternating +1.5V and -1.5V pulse. The pulse follows the rising or trailing edge of a 1/2 Hz square wave.

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 9:40 AM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Jim Lux Right now, the EOT is changing almost 30 seconds/day, which implies that the clock could be some seconds off during part of the day (although true at noon). [] 30 seconds/day? http://www.sundials.co.uk/pix/c/eot3.gif from: http

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
); // turn off pulse pinMode(D1,INPUT); } That way you're not drawing power most of the time.. -Chuck Harris Jim Lux wrote: On 1/19/14 9:17 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: The usual quartz clock that runs off of a AA cell is a little trickier to drive than you might think. You

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 10:47 AM, Don Latham wrote: Jim: I used a simple f/f, q and ~q and 180 ohm resistors. Could easily be done with two ard outputs. needs 1/2 sec cycle. i just disconnected the coils from the epoxied blob with the clock electronics. You can also drive it backwards if it amuses. . . Don

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 11:21 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Yeah.. that *is* the challenge. Use two outputs and make a sort of H bridge Jim, No problem. 1) equation of time: See www.leapsecond.com/tools/eot1.c, source code that generates the equation of time and its derivative. Sample output attached. You

[time-nuts] arduino solar clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
So, Tom's EOT routine takes less than a millisecond to execute (in double precision) on the Arduino.. So what I can probably do is call it every minute or hour to update the rate for the next minute/hour. Now I just have to figure out how to conveniently set the current date/time (for now,

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 11:24 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I’d put the table(s) in flash. You aren’t going to change it often enough to matter in terms of re-flash cycles. They would all be pre-calculated for that clock at that location, starting from today. In my approach this would be a very application

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 12:20 PM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Jim Lux http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/exo/sundials/equation_of_time.html 5 Jan 5.2 minutes 6 Jan 5.7 minutes 30 seconds in a day.. The total variation over the year is +/- 15 minutes, but the derivative is a lot bigger at some times

[time-nuts] keeping Arduino timekeeping and clock synced up

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
It turns out there's a handy Arduino library for time. And it will ingest GPS or NTP, etc., as well as run off the internal clock. One strategy, then, is: Set the clock in the Arduino then, periodically (once a minute or hour) look up the date and time calculate rate

Re: [time-nuts] keeping Arduino timekeeping and clock synced up

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 1:51 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: So, periodically, one would need to reset both the analog clock AND the Arduino clock to bring them back to proper alignment. I suppose that periodically, one could compare number of ticks sent with UTC + EOT offset and try to compensate (by dropping

Re: [time-nuts] arduino solar clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 3:58 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: It is. Both double and float are 32-bits. Arduino uses the GCC AVR compiler. If you care a lot about precision you use integer math and do all your calculations in integer units of milli or microseconds. If you try to keep time in floats you are

Re: [time-nuts] keeping Arduino timekeeping and clock synced up

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
. --- #include Time.h // Solar clock to drive mechanical mechanism // Jim Lux, 19 Jan 2014 #include math.h #define TIME_MSG_LEN 11 // time sync to PC is HEADER followed by Unix time_t as ten ASCII digits #define TIME_HEADER 'T' // Header tag for serial time sync message #define TIME_REQUEST

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 6:41 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: Hi all, Funny how this topic of the arduino time library comes around. Have been following your conversations regarding the precise nature of arduino time (gps time aware) Is it possible to write (assuming the poor little creature would do it) a piece of

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 8:00 PM, P Nielsen wrote: It's not clear if the OP wants true local time or the time at the center of his time zone. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html My original idea was to have 12 noon equate to the sun's

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/18/14 2:25 PM, P Nielsen wrote: I am looking for a physical clock (not software) that will indicate local solar time. IOW when the sun is at its highest point, the clock would reliably read 12:00 throughout the year. So it needs to take into account the equation of time? there's

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/18/14 2:25 PM, P Nielsen wrote: I am looking for a physical clock (not software) that will indicate local solar time. IOW when the sun is at its highest point, the clock would reliably read 12:00 throughout the year. Is there a commercial product or kit available for this?

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/18/14 4:22 PM, Tom Van Baak (lab) wrote: Add GPS if you want the clock to self-adjust when moved east or west (noon moves a couple of milliseconds per meter). This feature would be especially cool if the clock were used in a vehicle. Ooohh... an automatic self adjusting sundial for

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/18/14 2:25 PM, P Nielsen wrote: I am looking for a physical clock (not software) that will indicate local solar time. IOW when the sun is at its highest point, the clock would reliably read 12:00 throughout the year. Once you buy into a microprocessor, it's pretty easy to make all

[time-nuts] Arduino Frequency Accuracy

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
Just in case you want to build a clock with an Arduino.. http://jorisvr.nl/arduino_frequency.html ADEV measurements, etc. take home message.. absolute accuracy is a few kHz out of 16 MHz... probably a 100 ppm crystal. On some Arduinos (or Teensy3's which is what I use) there's a provision

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/18/14 5:11 PM, Bill Dailey wrote: http://www.precisionsundials.com The sawyer looks like it fits the bill. $8,000 Actually, only $2,100.. that fancy helical thing Renaissance was the 8 kilobuck one.. The Sawyer thing has a lot of nice design features. Very clever how they do the

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/18/14 5:23 PM, Mark Sims wrote: Lady Heather can display time in LMST/LAST/GMST/GAST I made a version that has an option to just show the date/time in full screen mode for Jim Lux/JPL but never heard back from him. I have passed it on to the person

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-18 Thread Jim Lux
I'm working on it now. Got the arduino UNO, need to go get a cheap cook tomorrow On Jan 18, 2014, at 18:01, P Nielsen pniel...@tpg.com.au wrote: Thank you for the suggestions so far. When I said no software, I meant not something like this:

Re: [time-nuts] L1/L2 GPS Receiver

2014-01-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/17/14 8:43 AM, Michael Perrett wrote: Magnus, I believe that he is referencing the the new L2 C/A code, which is not protected. Reference http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/civilsignals/ Is the L2c officially on yet? and how many S/V are radiating it? I know there was some

Re: [time-nuts] L1/L2 GPS Receiver

2014-01-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/17/14 11:35 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 2014-01-16 20:29, Hal Murray wrote: anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com said: The real benefit of dual-frequency is you can do post-processing with PPP. Javad has some modules but they start at 3 kUSD - if anyone knows of hobby level priced L1/L2

[time-nuts] NTP as vector for DDOS attacks?

2014-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/dos-attacks-that-took-down-big-game-sites-abused-webs-time-synch-protocol/ Interesting.. throw requests at an NTP server that look as if they come from the target, prompting large responses to the victim, presumably to overload it. The article talks

Re: [time-nuts] NTP as vector for DDOS attacks?

2014-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/10/14 1:06 PM, Paul wrote: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.comwrote: It's not a big deal. Even if one pool NTP server is down On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: The article talks about how the victim site can

Re: [time-nuts] WAAS.....

2014-01-08 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/8/14 9:06 PM, David I. Emery wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:09:04PM -0500, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Nathaniel wrote: Following from that, suppose a jammer parks nearby and doesn't leave in a timely fashion. How long does it take for the FCC to swoop in (do they swoop? in my mind they

Re: [time-nuts] WWV/WWVH audio simulator?

2014-01-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/14 9:44 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Jim, On 07/01/14 05:43, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/6/14 8:36 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Bob, It works the other way around. The standard Bell handset (103A I believe the designation was) has the 300-3400 Hz response, and with not so fancy analogue

Re: [time-nuts] sand9 TCMO

2014-01-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/14 6:05 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: MEMS might be good for certain tasks, but for closer in noise I've only seen some progress recently, but not measured it myself. Close-in noise seems to have been pretty bad for all MEMS so far. I think that's probably related to the physically

Re: [time-nuts] WWV/WWVH audio simulator?

2014-01-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/14 8:36 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Bob, It works the other way around. The standard Bell handset (103A I believe the designation was) has the 300-3400 Hz response, and with not so fancy analogue filtering, you can handle 4 kHz and thus 8 kHz sampling rate. The ITU-T G.711 A-law (where

Re: [time-nuts] WWV/WWVH audio simulator?

2014-01-03 Thread Jim Cotton
Sony SW receiver from eBay would work. Jim On 1/3/14 1:31 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Bob Albert bob91...@yahoo.com wrote: Jayson, I chuckle because WWV is my favorite radio station also. Why not tune it in on a good day and record the audio? Then you can

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring TV delays

2014-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/1/14 10:28 PM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Hal Murray Are there any events similar to New Years where some specific countdown time is shown on TV? Rocket launches, although typically not on live TV any more. More likely streamed (at least that's how I watch them). In the post launch

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring TV delays

2014-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/2/14 11:56 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: When they broadcast live TV like from a sports vent I wonder if the time code generated by the camera is preserved? But then even if it were the time might have been set manually to match the display on the camera operator's cell phone. Depends on

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring TV delays

2014-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/2/14 11:33 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: IIRC, the reason why NTSC has an almost 30 fps rate is that early vacuum tube TV sets could develop heater-cathode leakage that would put a black hum bar in the picture. Almost 30 allows the bar to move through the picture in a 60 Hz power distribution

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring TV delays

2014-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/2/14 2:33 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: Why didn't they make the color burst an exact multiple of 60 Hz? Round numbers and such http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorburst has a nice description.. The whole thing of backwards compatibility and squeezing the maximum amount of

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