[time-nuts] OT: Timer-counter wanted

2009-06-06 Thread neon John
Hey guys, I'm looking for a counter/timer for my lab. I don't need anything of Time Nuts grade, just a general purpose counter. I don't do sleazebay plus I'd rather pass a few bux to a fellow time nutter. So if you have a spare one of fairly recent vintage, preferably not containing a cooling

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD 7 ntp server

2008-12-31 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:57:33 -0700 (MST), M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com wrote: In message: b3bd5fcb0812311604q2c8f7129v9b1185457c8a9...@mail.gmail.com Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com writes: : Okay, not very fun. I was hoping to see ...58,59,60,00. Instead my : system

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's Leap Log

2008-12-31 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:06:02 +1300, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/1 Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com: Note that there is an error in the first column heading in Lady Heather's Leap Log. It says UTC... should be GPS. The three line hour timestamp comment is correct (UTC). The

Re: [time-nuts] How are you going to spend your extra second?

2008-12-24 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:17:07 +, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, the lords of time have blessed us this year with a whole extra second of existence. How are you going to use yours? Dunno. Let me think about it for a sec. ooops... Merry Christmas all John -- John De Armond

[time-nuts] OT: Forum -- email gateway/bridge

2008-12-24 Thread Neon John
this is completely off-topic (so please reply via direct email) but since this is the greatest brain trust on the internet, I thought I'd risk asking the question. I can't stand web forums. My loathing goes beyond hatred. Even worse now that I'm stuck back on dial-up again. Unfortunately there

Re: [time-nuts] He is a Time-Nut Troublemaker....

2008-12-23 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:27:28 +0100, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: David M. Witten II skrev: Points of pride, I'm sure. All this talk still does not make me feel like going out and get a firearm of any sort, fashinating as they can be in their own right. If someone got me

Re: [time-nuts] US Shipping Was huntron tracker advice

2008-12-11 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:55:26 +1300, Steve Rooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... International Traffic in Arms Regulations, well I don't like to poke holes in that excuse but unless the US customs are REALLY paranoid, I can't see how most of the items I have tried to purchase would be covered

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage standards

2008-12-11 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:27:54 -0700 (MST), M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing that got me was the word 'really' in Bruce's statement. It read like someone who had tried it, had limited success, but in the end wound up believing that while possible, it wasn't really practical.

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage Standards

2008-12-11 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:32:23 -0600, Brian Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should consider coming up with a standard voltage reference as a TAPR project. We have a lot of good brainpower out here and it seems a lot of experience available. I think that this is a spectacular idea.

Re: [time-nuts] V standards

2008-12-11 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:27:34 -0500, Mike Monett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This discussion of voltage standards is very informative and useful, and my thanks to all who are contributing. It is clear why precise frequency standards are needed - there are innumerable applications such as GPS, VLBI,

Re: [time-nuts] position determination over short distance

2008-12-05 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:26:52 -0800, Lux, James P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a fair amount of F/OSS software from JPL available to do this sort of calibration. It's used to calibrate cameras used on Mars rovers, among other things. The target pattern for calibration is a bunch of big

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz over optical fiber?

2008-12-05 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:33:25 -0800, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I know of several commecial systems. If you only need to do a short jump, then using fairly basic E/O-O/E equipment should work well enought. It all depends if you want/can to roll your own or need to buy a

Re: [time-nuts] What's all this about violins in the streets?

2008-11-19 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:27:10 -0600, Bill Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies, but I didn't think you'd want to hear about jumps. My good friend, and software genius, was late for a lunch appointment today. The atomic alarm clock that he has used for years was 3.3 hours behind this

Re: [time-nuts] Oh the horror

2008-11-19 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:03:15 +0100, Björn Gabrielsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a much smaller scale... but the incident shown in the attached picture was no fun either... two old BVAs came the standard (brutal) post service packed like in the picture. Do y'all have UPS down there? That

Re: [time-nuts] Oh the horror

2008-11-19 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:01:23 -0800, Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It looks like the entire shipping case has been dropped or turned over from a reasonable height. The 7mm thick internal glass cylinder has been shattered and inside that the glass bulb has been

Re: [time-nuts] Ancient OCXO in scope calibrator.

2008-09-09 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:19:39 +0100, David C. Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following the good advice I received about increasing the value of the trimmer capacitor, I replaced the trimmer which was originally 3-12pF, with another one which was 2-22pF. I would leave the same trimmer in there

Re: [time-nuts] VNG sound files

2008-09-08 Thread Neon John
Likewise, thanks. Are you going to be able to post any of the other files? I'd love to hear #7 and #8. Thanks again, John On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:20:21 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim, Many thanks for making the recordings available, it brought back a fond memory, I must

Re: [time-nuts] Help with HP 8640B generator

2008-09-07 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:40:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Sokolov) wrote: Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd have put a head in each cube if that had been possible. What kind of head? Or whose head? Navy-speak for toilet. John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-27 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:55:42 -0400, Mike Naruta AA8K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wife: Maybe he really IS your best friend. :) Probably so. Actually I had a great marriage for 25 of the 27 years. Then menopause hit with a vengeance. I sure am glad I'm an outie instead of an innie. I'd not

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-26 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:34:11 +, Mark Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pointless overkill? Ask those people in New Orleans what happens when originals and backups are kept in the same city. I know of several (ex) businesses that wisely kept their backups in different buildings there... all

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-26 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:04:07 -0400, phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tell me what risk I'm exposed to An angry wife ! She and my (former) best friend ran away about 5 years ago. Thankfully. :-) John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-26 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:17:06 -0700, Chris Kuethe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might wanna keep an eye on the DVD's. I hear the dyes aren't quite as stable and long-lived as the manufacturers claim. I've heard rumors of discs being stored undisturbed in safety-deposit boxes for 5yrs starting to break

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:40:14 +1000, Jim Palfreyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Well I've had the best weekend since I've just acquired a pendulum clock that used to be a telecommunication time standard in the 50s. Nice. I'd love to have a photo of that with both the clock and the rack

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:30:33 +, Mark Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any backup that is stored in the same city as the original (some would say within 100 miles of the city) is NOT a backup. It is just a disk waiting for a (real) disaster. No fire proof safe, baggie, etc is a substitute

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-24 Thread Neon John
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:47:12 -0500, Robert Vassar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I backup to a USB hard disk. I plug it in, backup, unplug it, de- cable and park it in a filing cabinet. The disk spends 99.99% of it's life powered off. It should last a decade or more like this, but I buy a new

Re: [time-nuts] How to get 32.768KHz from 10MHz.

2008-07-28 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:22:08 -0700, Jim Lux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:01 PM 7/23/2008, Mike S wrote: You're missing the point. The application is to drive a common, readily available consumer clock. Simple and cheap. It can be done with a single $1 PIC. You could spend $20 or $100 and not

[time-nuts] soldering (was cesium clock)

2008-06-28 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:57:51 +1000, Neville Michie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/06/2008, at 1:14 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Stainless is trickier to solder than constantan. Welding may be preferable. A hint for soft soldering stainless steel, iron, nickel, chromium, copper, brass,

Re: [time-nuts] Thoughts on IR thermometers?

2008-05-27 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:31:49 -0400, Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everybody I tried to use a cheap IR thermometer to do some quick, pre-circuit analysis tests, a couple of years ago on a particular job. It went bad, the laser did not even line up with the area being measured, I missed

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia: Please don't use the Spam button to unsubscribe

2008-05-14 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 12 May 2008 16:43:06 -0400, John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this happens too often, AOL will think I'm a bad guy and ban my domain from sending email to *anyone* at AOL. Getting them to back off from this is a major pain in the *** (I know, I've been through it).

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia: Please don't use the Spam button to unsubscribe

2008-05-14 Thread Neon John
current one which isn't the one that I use on this list. John On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:22:57 -0400, John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neon John wrote: Wouldn't that be kind of a good thing? I mean, can the intersection of the set of AOL members and the set of folks who can

Re: [time-nuts] Favorite DC power Supply?

2008-05-02 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 03 May 2008 08:58:58 +0930, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am building two GPS-driven devices, an NTP server based on an ancient single board computer and a Nixie clock. Our power here is not what one might call reliable - we are stuck on a spur of a very long 19kV, single

Re: [time-nuts] sub cables

2008-05-01 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 1 May 2008 11:13:48 +0100, Alan Melia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least with the optical cables it is only the powerfeed circuit that gets the surge not the amplifier front end as it was in the FDM systems. I always thought the terminal equipment was a slighly lower reliability

[time-nuts] Match Stick Clock

2008-04-20 Thread Neon John
One of the coolest art clocks I've seen in awhile http://www.christiaanpostma.nl/ Flash animation of it working here: http://technabob.com/blog/2008/04/19/word-clock-slowly-reveals-the-time-with-text/ John -- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com

[time-nuts] Trinity Timing - How far we've come

2008-03-12 Thread Neon John
In this paper http://www.sciencemadness.org/lanl1_a/lib-www/la-pubs/00350316.pdf you can read the detailed description (including schematics) of the high accuracy timing system built to control the Manhattan Project's Trinity test - the first nuclear device explosion. This is an absolutely

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Hewlett Packard paint codes

2007-12-27 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:35:26 -0500, Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am missing the original post, hopefully I am on topic.. I color match quite a bit. I refurbish lab instruments. I have a piece of glass over top of my scanner platten. I mix the paint right on the scanner and evaluate it

Re: [time-nuts] AC reference voltage

2007-12-27 Thread Neon John
Generating the AC isn't a problem. For 60 hz, a variac is fine. For higher frequencies, an audio transformer, for example, a plate transformer, and a signal generator will do the job. You don't need any power since a DVM has a high input impedance. You only need the voltage with enough drive

Re: [time-nuts] Stuff I bought

2007-12-27 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:30:05 -0800, Jeff Mock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smart Tweezers http://www.advancedevices.com/ It's an RLC meter packaged in a pair of tweezers. It's accurate and fast, feels good to use on the bench. When working with SMT parts, particularly capacitors that typically

Re: [time-nuts] Stuff I bought

2007-12-27 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:55:27 + (GMT), Robert Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my holiday gift this year was a Sony PRS-505 Reader. http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551storeId=10151langId=-1categoryId=16184 This is not as off-topic as

Re: [time-nuts] Ronald Held's main question

2007-12-18 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:05:29 -0800, Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was probably in the late 70s that a friend showed me a small booklet from NBS. It was describing how to use TV signals to calibrate your local clock. I think NBC and HP cooperated. I think the story was that NBC had

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-17 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:49 -0800, Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talk to your building superintendent. Offer to provide NTP service to the whole complex if he will help you setup a GPS antenna. I can see it now. Duh, how's this NTP stuff gonna help me unstop the toilet in 23? :-)

Re: [time-nuts] Antennas in apartments

2007-12-17 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:43:41 -0500, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neon John wrote: Federal law says that landlords cannot prohibit satellite TV dishes. Another one of those best laws money can buy. The implication for a solution to the GPS antenna problem is fairly obvious. I

Re: [time-nuts] John Vig elected President of IEEE

2007-12-10 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:19 -0500, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: Right click and SaveAs this 7.4 MB PPT file to your PC: Quartz Resonator Oscillator Tutorial

Re: [time-nuts] John Vig elected President of IEEE

2007-12-10 Thread Neon John
May be a dumb question but why don't you just export the slides to bitmap graphics or to a PDF? I rarely give presentations anymore but that's the approach I've always taken, especially if I'm going to have to use other hardware. A series of TIFFs or JPGs and the free Irfanview which will run

Re: [time-nuts] Watches

2007-12-04 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:06:01 -0500, Daun Yeagley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've wanted to experiment with that, but I need to come up with another Accutron, as I don't want to ruin the Spaceview that I got from my wife on our first Christmas way back in '67! Know any reasonable sources?

Re: [time-nuts] Watches - the china connection

2007-12-04 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:01:29 -0500, Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bill, I guess it depends on what you think it is that the market is desiring. There is little or no apparent interest in a newly manufactured Bulova Accutron Spaceview watch. Modern Quartz watches have long since

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:27 +, Joe McElvenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of a simple way of producing an AC voltage standard suitable for general workshop use without reference to another one? About one percent

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:52:13 -0500, Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with a mercury relay is that the switching delay is significant and not well controlled, so the duty cycle of the resulting waveform is not

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-06 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:41:21 -0500, Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was no reference to a 6 bit scope. First paragraph of the original post: Joe McElvenney wrote: Hi, Excuse the topic but is does push the

Re: [time-nuts] EFC Input pin impedance for the HP 10544A and10811-6011

2007-10-28 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:08:11 +1300, Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The opposite effect is sometimes desirable to force a browser to display an image (usually a JPEG) to display on whatever resolution screen is in

Re: [time-nuts] QCM

2007-10-25 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:04:06 +0200, Jeroen Bastemeijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ulrich, You question is not as much off-topic as you might think. It is all about frequency stability and resonators ;-) In the past I

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Need HP 7475A Drivers for XP or Linux

2007-10-21 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:41:30 -0700, Eric Fort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I really appreciate the Detailed reply, Thanks. Your web page has an error though

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Need HP 7475A Drivers for XP or Linux

2007-10-21 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:41:16 -0600, Joseph Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I just need pens and paper...(I have one offer for this, more sources are welcome) Thanks to all, Eric I know that HP stopped making pens

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Need HP 7475A Drivers for XP or Linux

2007-10-20 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:57:27 -0700, Eric Fort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a wealth of knowlege here about keeping older HP hardware running. Would anyone in this group have experience using a 7475A plotter

Re: [time-nuts] Improving the stability of crystal oscillators

2007-10-13 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Nah, not for this application. A Peltier module typically has a COP of 1. That is, it moves a watt of energy for each watt consumed. Thus, for each watt moved, two watts have to be dissipated to air. I can't imagine a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 523B frequency counter Sputnik

2007-10-04 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:27:40 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little known piece of Sputnik history... http://www.hparchive.com/Journals/HPJ-1957-09-Sputnik.pdf Deja Vue. Happened upon this not an hour ago

Re: [time-nuts] Bush Accepts Pentagon Position on GPS

2007-09-20 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:48:51 -0500, Bill Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Yes, this is way off topic, unless you consider the passage of time. While I do

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page

2007-08-28 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:02:59 -, Jean-Louis Oneto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hello all, I succeeded to read it with Corel PaintShopPro XI and then

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page

2007-08-28 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:28:01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/28/2007 15:06:22 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PDF is ok, but hard to modify without spending money (like to split a

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page

2007-08-28 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:45:11 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: respectfully disagree: that would mean we should get out our good-old pen-plotters and vector-graphics displays as well? My E-size HP pen plotter is still working

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 Web Page

2007-08-28 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:44:56 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, ok, I guess my comment about 600dpi PDF files being sufficient for the job is not resonating here. Case in point: At a previous employer, our boss

Re: [time-nuts] EMI from florescent lights

2007-08-10 Thread Neon John
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I've converted my entire house to CFLs. I have probably half a dozen radio-controlled clocks. No problem with them. No problem with operating my GPS receiver indoors either. The only thing that bothers my radio-controlled

Re: [time-nuts] R: Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers?

2007-07-30 Thread Neon John
. Otherwise I'll do it when I get a round tuit. John On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:13:11 -0500, Brian Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll, I regret that I have sent some technical information to a person on the time nuts list. I was suppose to be made available to this group. Brian - N4FMN Neon John

Re: [time-nuts] My Casio G-Shock watch and other fun stuff

2007-06-21 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:04:49 +1000, Palfreyman, Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, My watch is one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120108656745 (Casio module 3050) I was wondering whether it was good design on Casios part - i.e. discipline the oscillator based

Re: [time-nuts] My Casio G-Shock watch and other fun stuff

2007-06-21 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:57:37 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Shoppa) wrote: Neon John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't quite understand why they'd all run so close during the day after a sync but drift so fast if a sync was missed. In a typical disciplined oscillator timeclock, the predicted

Re: [time-nuts] My Casio G-Shock watch and other fun stuff

2007-06-20 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:00:02 +1000, Palfreyman, Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reported the unusual accuracy of my Casio G-Schock radio controlled watch (with the radio controlled feature turned off) a month or so back. Well to back up my rough observations I decided to measure it properly.

Re: [time-nuts] IEEE papers

2007-06-15 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:14:34 -0700 (PDT), Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have also experienced the frustration of trying to download IEEE papers. I am a member of IEEE along with two of their affiliated societies and still get the same run-around. There are two techniques that I have

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup

2007-06-09 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:27:29 -0400, Norman J McSweyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apropos the conversation: Techrecovery sold me a 5370a that was toast. The customer service guy gave me a runaround for six weeks trying to first get another instrument and after I gave that up as a lost cause, then a

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-30 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 30 May 2007 01:10:02 -0800, Bill Beam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen: Those of you who have never taken a university physics course are excused for confusion over centripital/centrifugal/psudo forces. Some of you who did take a university physics class spent too much time asleep in

Re: [time-nuts] HP glass 1 MHz crystal

2007-05-09 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 9 May 2007 09:29:58 -0400, Daun Yeagley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took some pictures of my 1 MHz HP glass crystal. You can see them here: http://www.yeagley.net/Time-Nuts/ I just tossed up a new page on my site showing another jewel - a Western Electric AM transmitter and the jewel of

Re: [time-nuts] Ignore My Test

2007-05-04 Thread Neon John
On Fri, 04 May 2007 17:12:31 -0700, Had [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs back, and all that RY RY RY mumbo-jumbo. Roger, ignore-o-tron set to stun with boredom. John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com

[time-nuts] Gentlemen, unlimber your Broadband Connections

2007-04-29 Thread Neon John
For here is the treasure-trove for those of us who like old machines, fire bottles and big hunking things that glow and make noise. http://www.pmillett.com/ In particular, http://www.pmillett.com/technical_books_online.htm Over a gig of scanned tube manuals, textbooks, reference books, etc.

Re: [time-nuts] History of Quartz radio crystals

2007-04-29 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Colin Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my wanderings, I ran across this interesting history of the quartz crystal industry. http://www.ieee-uffc.org/fc_history/bottom.html Very interesting. Another little tidbit not in that article. There was a

Re: [time-nuts] Gentlemen, unlimber your Broadband Connections

2007-04-29 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:33:51 +0100, Dr. David Kirkby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neon John wrote: For here is the treasure-trove for those of us who like old machines, fire bottles and big hunking things that glow and make noise. http://www.pmillett.com/ Nice site. Indeed! I have to make one

Re: [time-nuts] Gentlemen, unlimber your Broadband Connections

2007-04-29 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:32:51 -0500, Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Thanks a lot for that great reference. It's a good thing that basic principles of physics have not changed much in the last 50 years :-) Yes, and the main reason I like these old texts so well is that they tend to

Re: [time-nuts] Gentlemen, unlimber your Broadband Connections

2007-04-29 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:22:56 -0700, Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John: Prior to discovering the Bookmark part of Adobe .pdf documents I used a hard copy whenever possible. But after working with good bookmarks, a .pdf is my preferred way to read. As a practical matter there are

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question

2007-04-26 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:35:48 -0500, Jason Rabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people put the maximum amount they are willing to pay and let it ride. Others like to bid in smaller amounts (and maybe more impulse bidders). And then there are people like me who either manually snipe or use

Re: [time-nuts] HP10544A defective? Looking fro 10811

2007-04-22 Thread Neon John
Howard W. Ashcraft wrote: I have been building a GPSDO around an HP10544A that I purchased on eBay. After some teeth-gnashing, I have concluded that the 10544A is defective. When attached to a load (it is supposed to be rated into 50 ohms) the frequency drops radically, and in fact, the

Re: [time-nuts] How good are mechanical watches

2007-04-21 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:37:10 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's how I measured the performance of a WWVB radio controlled watch: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/Junghans/ This is a great example of sawtooth that you probably haven't seen before. Hey, that's a nice looking

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Knifephoolery

2007-04-21 Thread Neon John
I love this list! What we find to talk about. Until about this time last year when I closed the last one, for 11 years I owned and operated a pair of BBQ steak restaurants and a catering service. For much of that time I was the chief cook and bottle washer :-) Believe it or not I like to cook

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

2007-04-20 Thread Neon John
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:48:54 -0400, Daun Yeagley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is as crazy as it gets. I have seen the high end power cables before and consider this the ultimate in audiophoolishness ... I'm not sure this is the most expensive example, but it surely establishes that there is no

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

2007-04-20 Thread Neon John
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:55:16 -0400, John Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The day I told him I played a trick on him. I invited him around to hear my system. In those days a pair of home-brewed Klipsch look-alikes. He raved, until he saw that the amp wasn't the big glowing thing on the bench, I

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist

2007-04-19 Thread Neon John
I've been waiting with baited breath for a GPS watch. NOT a NAVAID on the wrist but a simple GPS-synced watch. It would seem to me that making a miniature GPS receiver would be much easier than making a WWVB receiver. Unfortunately that watch ain't it. Gad, they need a good industrial

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist

2007-04-19 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:53:42 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been waiting with baited breath for a GPS watch. NOT a NAVAID on the wrist but a simple GPS-synced watch. It would seem to me that making a miniature GPS receiver would be much easier than making a WWVB receiver.

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist

2007-04-19 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:58:06 -0700, David Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Casio watch is rechargeable, since the GPS function drains the battery in two hours. Amusingly, it takes three hours to charge it, so the GPS drain current is higher than the charger's output! Recharging a wristwatch

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery

2007-04-19 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:21:28 -0700, Bruce Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) That's absurd but if you want to delve into the tin-foil hat areas, google for speaker cable ager.

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist

2007-04-17 Thread Neon John
Hey y'all, Interesting site but he's kinda behind the times, so to speak :-) about what modern, more pedestrian watches can do. Back around Christmas I bought a Luminox dive chronometer, model 3HMBM. This is the one with the chrono functions in the form of a little LCD screen under 12 o'clock.

Re: [time-nuts] Watts Up (was Re: Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...)

2007-04-17 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:44:31 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If you have the capability of testing your WUPs, I'd certainly be interested in what you find. I'd like to think that maybe the problem is in just this one revision of firmware. But I suspect not. John Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] Sensing pendulum position, speed, or height

2007-03-29 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:45:25 -0700, Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do modern pendulum clock geeks measure what their pendulum is doing? I'm picturing a magnet on the bottom of the pendulum and a coil or hall effect sensor. Prowl around here http://www.hsn161.com/links.html

Re: [time-nuts] Hello

2007-03-28 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:14:28 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I applaud your efforts. The proof will be in the data you get from your clock. It might be possible. It certainly would be very interesting. Expect to collect a year of data to be sure. Keep us, or the members of NAWCC HSN

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-24 Thread Neon John
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:29:43 -0700, Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My digital camera died recently. (Well, it was killed. I gave it a bath in salt water when I miss-judged a wave at the ocean.) I went to the local brick and mortar camera store to get a replacement. After I told the guy

Re: [time-nuts] Delay through GPS antenna splitter/amplifier -- ananswer, and a question

2007-03-13 Thread Neon John
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:31:31 -0400, Thomas A. Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the basic problem with our hobby... I proudly tell people that I can measure time to trillionths of a second, but am hard pressed for a good answer when they ask why do you need to? For the money, for the

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:02:39 -0800, Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long ago Bob Grove promoted the idea of using 75 Ohm TV coax for ham antennas at 2 meters and higher frequencies because it had lower loss than 50 Ohm coax and was much lower in cost. For ham applications the VSWR due

Re: [time-nuts] Odd request

2007-01-25 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:50:46 -0500, Mark Amos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has led me to a silly quest. I'd like to use a traditional clock face and hands as an output device for a 1PPS signal from my GPSDO. I know this is a very broad question, but does anyone have advice on where I might

[time-nuts] Looking For Tektronix Knobs 22xx Series

2007-01-11 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:06:36 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:49:44 -0600, Jason Rabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is a little OT for this group, but I was looking for a replacement knob for my Tek 2215 scope. Just one of the little gray ones that populates a

Re: [time-nuts] Re Certified Time Nut Certificate

2006-11-04 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:24:36 -0500, Daun Yeagley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, maybe some of you need to get a Bulova Accutron. I think that is one of the things that got me started on the time-nut wagon back in the sixties. My wife bought me one for our first Christmas together back in 1967.

[time-nuts] Another clever clock

2006-10-08 Thread Neon John
http://forresto.com/files/clock.swf --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN Don't let your schooling interfere with your education-Mark Twain ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Health of GPS constellation questioned

2006-09-07 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:12:07 +0200 (CEST), Bart Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, September 6, 2006 5:22, Christopher Hoover said: [ the story seems overblown to me, but still worth sharing. follow the last link for some real data. - ch ] The last link is interesting indeed. Seems that

Re: [time-nuts] D-Links NTP server vandalism

2006-04-09 Thread Neon John
On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:53:40 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHK, So sorry to hear about your legal adventure. Have a close look at NTP from the 1930's -- at just 5 cents a day [about $0.70 in today's dollar]: http://www.leapsecond.com/history/usno.htm And I bet there was the

Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-19 Thread Neon John
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:07:47 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their suggestion for a cheap environmental chamber is an old fridge where you keep the door closed. After some weeks it will have reached a stable temperature relative to the room. Heh. Funny story about that.

Re: [time-nuts] Some More Questions

2006-01-18 Thread Neon John
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:03:37 -0800, Christopher Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John- If I divided this down to 1 PPS, would it be a better timing reference than the GPS receiver? The best idea is to use the 1 PPS to discipline (phase lock) the 10MHz OXCO in your counter. A couple starting

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