Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-12 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/12/2007 15:32:53 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another way to dual boot that would be a lot easier than trying to graft Win98 onto a WinXP drive is to just use another drive for Win98. Even a 1GB drive would do. Most modern motherboards allow you to

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-12 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/12/2007 06:44:10 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To set compatibility mode, find the executable and right-click for the "properties". You will see a "compatibilty" tab. The settings should be obvious. Click on the link at the bottom for more help.

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-11 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/11/2007 14:22:14 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought I remember from the manual that there's a whole set of nice SCPI commands. Can't you just send them by hand or code something up using the USB-GPIB board? /tvb If only I had the time... Co

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-11 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/11/2007 15:29:46 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am trying to set up a Win98 machine with GPIB since I > bought a quite old version of Visi from Wavecrest that runs > only on Win98. Did you try using "compatibility mode" on WinXP to run that softw

Re: [time-nuts] Oops - wrong URL for tvb plot!

2007-04-11 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/10/2007 18:44:58 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Knowing or calculating the sample rate is useful: 15-20 samples/second seems OK for a 53132. But if you were to measure it you would come up with a more exact number. One way to do this is time the colle

Re: [time-nuts] Gate propagation delay jitter

2007-04-10 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/10/2007 14:33:17 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes ground bounce can play havoc with the effective switching thresholds. One would expect this effect to be much worse with single ended clocks. Bruce Hi Bruce, not to give away too much, but in ou

Re: [time-nuts] Gate propagation delay jitter

2007-04-10 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/10/2007 14:28:11 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then we would need to know/measure the jitter of the retiming flipflop. There appears to be little definitive published data on the jitter of various logic gates and flipflops. Consequently a simple reli

Re: [time-nuts] Oops - wrong URL for tvb plot!

2007-04-10 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/10/2007 14:48:34 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: with a 53132A against a good atomic house standard. You'll see a large phase offset (many microseconds), a frequency offset (about +3e-12 or -3e-13). No, I didn't remove frequency drift (if any) from the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-08 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/8/2007 17:09:34 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This problem is one reason why I have a Windows 98 machine to run such irreplaceable orphaned applications. Yeah, same here but I got my only GPIB running on Win2K for my HP Spectrum analyzers. Just n

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-08 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/8/2007 16:49:00 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Wavecrest, 53132A etc have no specifications for the effect of the input circuit noise with a finite slew rate input, the only way to make a more precise comparison is to actually make some measure

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-08 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/8/2007 14:21:05 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Said, >One way to settle this is for you to collect a data set >of back-to-back single-shot time interval samples over >GPIB and have a look at the data. Even a hundred >samples is enough; it will take a

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-08 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/8/2007 04:02:38 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Wavecrest instrument only has a single shot resolution of 25ps not as you claim 800fs (this is only achieved after averaging) The above counters can only be compared for this purpose if their single

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-08 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/7/2007 15:16:30 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your theoretical resolution seems somewhat awry see: http://www.femto-st.fr/~rubiola/conference-articles/2005fcs%28rubiola%29-count ers.pdf Hi Bruce, My math is essentially their reference [4, p.26],

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/7/2007 04:08:20 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Wavecrests are wonderful tools, but they address a different problem than what normal time-nuts usually care about, so they are not a given perfect counter for long term comparision. It is aimed at j

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-07 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/7/2007 00:00:25 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the only "time-nut visit" I have done, the nut was VERY proud of his Wavecrest! You do not think the userbase is limited by pricelevel and availability? Hi Bjoern, there is one on Ebay today for $9

[time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-06 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello guys, I am looking for Wavecrest Visi software for my DTS-2075 jitter analyzer. Does anyone know where to get it? BTW: not sure why these units are not so popular on this list, they have picosecond cable-length measurement which is fantastic to measure Antenna cable delays, <3ps in

Re: [time-nuts] Standards for units

2007-04-03 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/3/2007 19:29:25 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An Arianne 5 rocket had to be destroyed with its cargo when it veered off course because of a faulty conversion from English to metric in the guidance software. What a bummer! I hate it when that happen

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-31 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/31/2007 17:29:21 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Multiplying the 2 signals is essential as the non correlated components of the 2 signals will then average to zero (for infinite measurement time) whilst the correlated components of the 2 signals will

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-31 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/31/2007 18:14:01 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since the average person in the rest of the world copes with the metric system without any difficulty, the first reason would appear to be based on a tacit assumption that average US citizen is less int

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-31 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/31/2007 18:21:40 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was just looking at the 3048 manuals the other night. Bumped into a new site with HP manuals I haven't seen before. Cheers, Magnus Hi Magnus, do you have URL pointer? thanks, Said **

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-31 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/30/2007 23:47:12 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thermal noise and other noise in each channel are statistically independent and their product averages to zero. The actual residual decreases as the number of spectra averaged increases. Hi Bruce, h

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-31 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/31/2007 04:50:11 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree, it is indeed a fantastic number, but you have to compare it with other results. There is comercial tools out there which is only 20-30 dB behind. Actually, the correlation techniques improves the

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-30 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/30/2007 19:14:31 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With a +13dBm carrier this corresponds to a noise voltage of 100pV/rtHz across a 50 ohm resistor or a noise current of 2pA/rtHz flowing through it. Hi Bruce, but isn't the thermal noise at room tem

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-30 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/30/2007 12:26:46 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Until I've actually read the paper, ask yourself how our GPS receivers is able to track signals below their internal noise. There are a number of tricky aspects involved in doing that and I beleive the

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-30 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/30/2007 16:02:15 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It does in fact measure below the thermal noise floor. This is not too difficult as it uses a crosscorrelation technique. Bruce Hi Bruce, interesting how microphonic effects would affect the results.

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system forRF devices.

2007-03-30 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/30/2007 10:27:10 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even suppose you could measure it, what would it take to generate such a pure carrier. That may even be more difficult. - Yup, I agree. That's a lot of dB's... bye, Said **

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system for RF devices.

2007-03-30 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/29/2007 21:33:44 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: _http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0503/0503015.pdf_ (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0503/0503015.pdf) Hi Bruce, Isn't a -200dBc/Hz floor below the thermal noise floor that can be achieved?

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-18 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/18/2007 06:29:32 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, that is the general idea. Also medical equipment must not be used by the US medical community in the US, hazardous materials must sold only to companies that are proven capable of safe use and dispo

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-18 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/17/2007 07:40:07 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reminds me of the extra-ordinary light bulb: http://www.centennialbulb.org/ /tvb This bulb has burned about 3714 Kilowatthours or so of power so far, or 3.7 Megawattshours! That's impressive. bye,

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-16 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/16/2007 20:37:28 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is there anyone in the market for a used FTS-4050 for parts? I would be > interested to sell the actual Cs reference inside the unit. Want to keep > the 19" rack mount enclosure though. I'm interested,

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-16 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/16/2007 18:32:58 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, some high end rubidium (such as Perkin-Elmer) manufacturers are able to develope 133Rb clocks having > 450 000 hours MTBF! That'a a lot of nanoseconds! Hi Jack, we cannot expect the units to wo

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-16 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/16/2007 11:34:56 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Cesium atoms make a one-way trip from one end of the tube the other; from a nice solid/liquid pool of silvery cesium in the oven to a splattered mess in the getter. So there's no restoring the tube t

Re: [time-nuts] An Excellent Tutorial on Precision Clocks

2007-03-15 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/15/2007 14:02:40 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed. I have a Howard Johnson DVD with Xilinx MGT fluff. Kind of nice and pedagogic but nothing new when I got it. I think they agree with me that I don't need the beginners material. Hi Magnus, ch

Re: [time-nuts] An Excellent Tutorial on Precision Clocks

2007-03-15 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/14/2007 23:20:54 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt Ettus wrote: > I was just investigating this very issue. It seems that every program > you use to compute these impedances comes up with different answers, > sometimes wildly different. Anyone have

Re: [time-nuts] An Excellent Tutorial on Precision Clocks

2007-03-15 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/15/2007 02:56:33 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Transmission Line Design Handbook" of Brian C. Wadell Hi Magnus, Ouuch! This one cost me $155 at Amazon. BTW: I can also highly recommend Dr. Howard Johnson's lectures. bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise frequency multiplication

2007-03-02 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/2/2007 03:11:25 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Phase noise of -115dBc/Hz @ 10Hz for a 100MHz carrier sounds a bit steep when compared to one of Wenzel's ultra low noise ULN series which achieves -125dBc/Hz @ 100Hz. (these oscillators are probably the b

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise frequency multiplication

2007-03-01 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/1/2007 13:30:26 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had never thought about relative performance issues of using a VCXO locked with a really narrow band PLL to a lower frequency reference versus a multiplier with a narrow band cleanup filter at the outpu

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise frequency multiplication

2007-03-01 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 3/1/2007 05:50:30 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Said, It seems there are indeed many ways to kill a cat. What happens to the close-in phase noise using this method? Cheers, Stephan. Hi Stephan, you are asking the right questions :) The nea

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt versus Home made

2007-03-01 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/27/2007 15:01:44 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, my original post was not very clear - I had only wondered if faster PPS signals might ever help with the measurement each second; I didn't mean to suggest that they might affect the required overal

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise frequency multiplication

2007-03-01 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/28/2007 15:20:56 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It describes a way in which an analogue odd-order frequency multiplier could be built cheaply with superior noise characteristics. This circuit that is described is really simple and quite ingenious. Unfo

Re: [time-nuts] Linux code for Prologix GPIB/USB

2007-02-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/25/2007 22:20:09 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found it also went into blinking-LED mode if I sent it another command too quickly and didn't have flow control working. It works fine without flow control as long as you pause before sending it a

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/24/2007 01:49:21 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Attached GIF file illustrates one possible approach to a TAC using discrete components. Hi Bruce, interesting schematics. I wonder if the circuit could be modified to self-calibration on ever

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/24/2007 03:11:22 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You will find the following presentation contains detail on the performance of TACs implemented using modern high speed ic technology. http://hep.uchicago.edu/workshops/2005-picosecond/8-Fukun_Tang_ps_

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-23 Thread SAIDJACK
Thanks Rick, I got the PDF! bye, Said ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/c

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-23 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/23/2007 05:58:09 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Current mode ramp generators using long tailed pairs to switch the charging current for a capacitor are the time honoured approach for fast ramp generators. Hi Bruce, would you have some sample sc

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-22 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/22/2007 22:17:43 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mine is off more (or was until it died a couple of weeks ago). But I have yet to attempt the full cal procedure for reasons similar to yours. I did find that using GPSDO 10 mhz the error was quite st

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-22 Thread SAIDJACK
Thanks John, these feedbacks confirm that it is not my mal-handling of the front panel buttons giving me grief :) bye, Said ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-22 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/23/2007 00:41:41 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At HP, what we liked to do was to run a synthesizer from the frequency standard and set it to put out an offset frequency, like 10.0005 MHz. (We had the luxury of having a lot of 8662's around :-) We

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-22 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/22/2007 23:15:49 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3. The interpolator has somewhat questionable accuracy when you get down to 12 digits. This is hidden somewhat by the firmware, but if you monitor the bits the interpolator puts out, you can see what

Re: [time-nuts] GPS splitter

2007-02-20 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/21/2007 06:13:52 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I have a bunch of these mini-circuits splitters that cover 500 - 2000 Mhz. It has continuity on all ports. Has anyone tried something like this to use a single GPS antenna on 2 receivers? They

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay

2007-02-18 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/18/2007 19:34:44 W. Europe Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Two of those, with similar symptoms of bad sockets, otherwise similar appearance, sold within an hour of each other, one for about $100 and the other for $250. Hi Guys, anybody have a 5370B (or A

time-nuts@febo.com

2007-02-16 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Jeroen, after what some folks disclosed here, e.g. that these may all be broken units, and that they may be the inferior commercial versions, I tend to agree. The risk is too high for paying more than say $125.. Has anyone actually ordered, and tested one yet? bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi everyone, I got a quote for the Symmetricom Cs tubes. No comment. "After having done a little research, we do not have any replacement tubes for the FTS4050 Model. We have new tubes for Models 4040, 4065, and 4201. The cost $17,800" bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Didier, that's great info thanks so much, I'll be looking for one... price seems reasonable. I have a 5334A and B, and love the fact that they run quietly. Something to consider on the 5370. My dream counter is the 53132A, but those are so expensive... bye, Said

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/13/2007 12:34:00 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the price, I would hold off. It is a nitch market. His first few may go for $250 or more but eventually the prices will go down. He has a low EBAY rating so he is new. Eventually he will figure o

[time-nuts] Cesium Beam Lifetime

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello guys, I got my FTS4050 Cesium Reference, and have it up and running. It works quite well. The Beam current reads 1.8V (I guess this means 1.8mA?), and Zeeman works. I am now fine-tuning with GPS. Some questions I had: * Can I read the remaining lifetime of the Cs tube out of the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPSDO

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/13/2007 09:13:50 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: used the "Contact Seller" button and asked him where the units came from. He confirmed they were from the same E911 box I got mine from. He must of got that pallet I was trying to get! @#$% Hi

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Brooke, I Agree with Jason. $300 is a good try for 50 units on his side, he probably paid $100 ea. for them. He was willing to let a single unit go for $250 on Ebay with all the hassle of listing it, taking payment, paying Ebay and Paypal their 10% share etc. He would probably let 10

Re: [time-nuts] TRIMBLE GPS RECEIVER MODULE PART# B12118-13321

2007-02-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Brooke, wow, great feedback on this item! Who is keeping track of all of the interested parties? How can we do a group purchase? bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolts available (maybe in quantity)

2007-02-12 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi guys, count me in, if the price is $250 or less. No internal DC-DC, not the greatest Allan Variance, phase noise not that great... but for $250 who can complain. bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-b

[time-nuts] Fwd: Good references to noise related subjects?

2007-02-02 Thread SAIDJACK
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: > Hi All, > > My knowledge base on phase noise, low-noise design, noise figure, etc. is > based upon many bits and pieces that I have gathered from many sources (e.g Sorry Stephan, I meant the IEEE UFFC Journal, not proceedings. bye, Said --- Begin Message --

Re: [time-nuts] Good references to noise related subjects?

2007-02-02 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 2/2/2007 04:41:14 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: > Hi All, > > My knowledge base on phase noise, low-noise design, noise figure, etc. is > based upon many bits and pieces that I have gathered from many sources (e.g > famous boo

Re: [time-nuts] OT: RoHS crap

2007-01-15 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Chuck, from a manufacturer's perspective: 1) Test & MEasurement electronics are exempt at least until 2009, maybe until 2011 or longer. Good for us, we can keep using the good old Pb. 2) Consumer products reliability just took a steep dive due to tin whiskers causing shorts in t

Re: [time-nuts] TIC resolution impact on GPSDO's performance

2006-12-25 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/25/2006 06:18:57 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my own GPSDO i discipline the LO's pps to have a MAXIMUM phase offset of 500 ms against the receiver's pps. That avoids lots of ambiguity problems and leaves the widest phase measurement range to make

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of filter delay

2006-12-24 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/24/2006 15:05:52 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > yes the heater circuit is problematic, and will affect stability a lot. > > For example, some OCXO's don't have separate (Kelvin sensed) ground pins for >

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of filter delay

2006-12-24 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Bruce, yes the heater circuit is problematic, and will affect stability a lot. For example, some OCXO's don't have separate (Kelvin sensed) ground pins for the heater, and EFC voltage. The result is that any changes in the heater current will cause a voltage change in the ground pin o

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of filter delay

2006-12-23 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/23/2006 15:17:33 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The FIR filter used in some GPSDOCXOs is not the optimum prefilter for the control loop. An exponential averaging (IIR) filter is better. However an FIR filter has the advantage of being easy to do and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS orthodontics: sawteeth & hanging bridges - theeffect of t...

2006-12-22 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/21/2006 10:44:29 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1 second raw samples: 10.40 ns then removing small linear frequency offset, 1 second samples: 9.36 ns 30 second averages: 9.62 ns 300 second averages: 10.0 ns Did I do something wrong? PHK, what do you

Re: [time-nuts] GPS orthodontics: sawteeth & hanging bridges

2006-12-22 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi, it's funny, Randy seems to be the only engineer here really familiar with the Motorola innards. Aren't there any Motorola GPS engineers here?? Would love to hear some of the nitty gritty details of how the firmware/hardware works, what you guys think about the iLotus products, etc e

Re: [time-nuts] Typical EFC frequency response (bandwidth) of a OCXO

2006-12-18 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Bob, thanks for the specs!! For some reason this unit is slightly different though in it's specs: It only uses +24V, no negative input provided by the Wavecrest PS. If you are right, the -5.2V is only applied to the output to bias it, which is not needed. The -5.2V pin is left floating

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-17 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Bruce, great ideas, thanks! Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-16 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Bruce, would you have pointers to good temperature sensing circuits with sub millidegree resolution? thanks, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-16 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Ulrich, good details on how to set the time constant for best GPSDO performance etc! Some issues you did not mention are but that are essential to get a good GPSDO are: * Aging compensation * Temperature compensation * fault recovery, such as mechanical shock to crystal

Re: [time-nuts] Typical EFC frequency response (bandwidth) of a OCXO

2006-12-16 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Stephan, I have a surplus 100MHz Vectron OCXO from a Wavecrest DTS-2070 jitter-measurement system that was de-comissioned due to CPU memory failure. The oscillator works great, and it was the main timebase in the $90K+ jitter instrument, so I suspect it's the "best" OCXO they could buy

Re: [time-nuts] Digital PLL ICs, alternatives and digital loop filters

2006-12-16 Thread SAIDJACK
Sorry Stephan, forgot to mention, the loop filter thermal instability is so small and slow compared to the feedback loop that it will be completely compensated out by the PLL phase comparator. Since you are disciplining an OCXO, you probably want to set the loop filter bandwidth to less

Re: [time-nuts] Digital PLL ICs, alternatives and digital loop filters

2006-12-16 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi there, NS has some small PLL eval boards that are controlled using a paralell cable to your PC. Take a look at the LMX2316 for example. The eval board is $150 - maybe a bit pricey. Analog devices has footprint compatible (but not software compatible!) PLL chips that have significantl

Re: [time-nuts] LPRO-101 with Brooks Shera's GPS locking circuit

2006-12-16 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/16/2006 12:31:31 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hal Murray writes: > >> You still want to produce some form of quality measure for the ADEV >> shape in order to form some form of control loop. > >Suppose I build I goo

Re: [time-nuts] Best GPS 1PPS Accuracy

2006-12-15 Thread SAIDJACK
HI Tom, got it. I was wondering because there is a 10MHz OCXO in the block diagram as well. bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Best GPS 1PPS Accuracy

2006-12-14 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/14/2006 16:46:10 Pacific Standard /tvb writes: The beauty of a GPSDO is that you're only changing the DAC every few minutes so there's plenty of time to look carefully at the quality of your 1 Hz samples before you commit the DAC update. It would be a more difficu

Re: [time-nuts] Best GPS 1PPS Accuracy

2006-12-14 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Randy, I will do a longer-term test with +-50ns setting. That should be interesting :) bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Best GPS 1PPS Accuracy

2006-12-14 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 12/14/2006 12:00:36 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hello Said, > > from my own experience in detecting and removal of outliers i can asure > you that it is a challenging and ambitious task in statistical math. I > fear you expect too much from a receiv

Re: [time-nuts] Best GPS 1PPS Accuracy

2006-12-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Randy, as always, great info! yes, please do send out the old VP TRAIM doc :) thanks, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Best GPS 1PPS Accuracy

2006-12-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi guys, slightly off-topic, but has anyone done stability tests with the m12+ or M12M when the antenna goes bad in TRAIM-enabled mode (e.g. less than 4 good sats being received by i.e. disconnecting the antenna)? I see that the 1PPS output goes away only after about 5 or so additional p

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nuts at PTTI this past week

2006-12-12 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, thanks for the updates, I didn't see your earlier email. Let's just hope they get this under control, and the iLotus production parts are just as good as at least the M12+ used to be... I did have one M12M with firmware v1.0x6 as well, and the performance was significantly better

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nuts at PTTI this past week

2006-12-11 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, how many M12M iLotus samples did you test to find the one with 30ns offset? Were these pre-production samples or mass production units? How did the other ones perform? Seems iLotus may not test/calibrate/inspect as thoroughly as Motorola did? Thanks, Said

Re: [time-nuts] Vendors of time sync hardware

2006-11-29 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Jared, Jackson Labs _www.jackson-labs.com_ (http://www.jackson-labs.com) or: _http://www.jackson-labs.com/docs/Fury_Flyer.pdf_ (http://www.jackson-labs.com/docs/Fury_Flyer.pdf) has the most cost-effective commercial GPS Disciplined Frequency References as far as we know :) We

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A

2006-11-12 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, The plot from the brochure that you are looking at is one you had measured for us on the FireFox GPSDO predecessor, which did not have Temperature or aging compensation, and had a much coarser TIM, DAC, and DAC reference etc but used the same OCXO as the Fury. The Fury improves upon

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A

2006-11-12 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, we mesaured an early Fury prototype against a PRS10 using the TSC5120A with an external 5MHz MTI 260 type free-running OCXO as a reference. The Fury was significantly better <100s against the MTI reference than the PRS10 was against the MTI ref, almost a factor of 10x better 1s t

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A

2006-11-12 Thread SAIDJACK
Mark, John, Bill, Tom, I received a number of off-line emails from you about the new Jackson-Labs Fury GPSDO, thanks much for your interest! Let me try to address all of your questions here, please excuse the long email. I am loosely associated with Jackson-Labs - it carries my name :)

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A

2006-11-11 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Rick, Jose, Hmurray, forgot to mention: the Fury unit only uses about 0.35A at 12V, and runs from 11V to 14V, so it can easily be run from a Pb battery, < 4.5W power consumption. 45min warmup time typ. with the double-oven OCXO. Better <100s Allan Deviation stability than the PRS10 SRS

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A

2006-11-11 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi there Jose, Hmurray, how about this one? _http://www.jackson-labs.com/docs/Fury_Flyer.pdf_ (http://www.jackson-labs.com/docs/Fury_Flyer.pdf) It's available in double-oven version (SC-Cut Crystal) and single-oven AT-cut. Software compatible to the HP GPSDO's, but lot's better perfor

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium & Cesium video

2006-10-30 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi guys, here is an interesting factoid: I am in China at the moment, and the Video Playback Google feature is disabled for the entire Country. We can't view the clip over here. bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://ww

Re: [time-nuts] New software versions of EZGPIB and PLOTTER available

2006-10-27 Thread SAIDJACK
Cool Ulrich! Professional quality program, for sure. Thanks, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] 5 MHz Frequency Doubler

2006-10-26 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Brian, those numbers look quite impressive! 241GHz, that's almost Infrared :) bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] 5 MHz Frequency Doubler

2006-10-26 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Brian, nice circuit. Would you have phase noise info, and harmonic/ sub-harmonic measurements for it? Thanks, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure Allan Deviation?

2006-10-23 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi there, I concur, Ulrich's Plotter program is really great! And extremely fast too. Ulrich, some points for additional features (maybe the latest version has these already?): * Settings such as trace color, Values Format, highlighted traces etc get lost when re-loading the data fil

Re: [time-nuts] The VE2ZAZ GPSDO

2006-10-20 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Bruce, I agree. The DAC reference is an LM7805CT regulator with 0.8mV/C (typ.) temperature coefficient. Considering that typical Oscillators (MTI units for example) have about +-20Hz deviation per 5V - this alone - excluding the Opamps tempco, would lead to a temperature drift o

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Analyzer on Ebay

2006-10-10 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Magnus, Yes, I did see some other units on Ebay recently, except those will only work controlled by the GPIB input, they are configured to be used remotely inside test equipment, and they seem to be untested. My unit has been "decrypted" if you will - it runs as a standard Windows PC

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Analyzer on Ebay

2006-10-10 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi there, sorry guys, one small mistake: the unit has an external 10MHz very stable time base output and input, not 100MHz. Their older DTS series used to have 100MHz outputs. bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.feb

[time-nuts] Oscillator Analyzer on Ebay

2006-10-09 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Fellow time nuts, I thought this might be of interest to some of you, if not please accept my apologies: I have a Wavecrest high-end SRT-3000 Jitter/Phase-Noise/PLL/BERT analyzers for sale that I got from Credence as surplus, and I am listing it on Ebay tomorrow morning. The SRT-3

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