In a message dated 3/1/2007 05:50:30 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Said, It seems there are indeed many ways to kill a cat. What happens to the close-in phase noise using this method? Cheers, Stephan. Hi Stephan, you are asking the right questions :) The near-carrier phase noise depends on the 1GHz reference source: 1) If it is a crystal such as the Xpresso 1GHz series from Fox, then the phase noise of the 1GHz reference will actually be reduced by 20dB for every 1:10 reduction in output frequency! 2) If you are using a standard (noisy) VCO, then the phase noise of your 10MHz reference source will be increased (multiplied) by the standard 20dB for every 10x increase in output frequency. This is due to the fact that when using a VCO, the PLL will use the reference crystal to actually reduce the phase noise of the VCO. You will likely use a loop filter with 1 - 15KHz BW. So you get the 10MHz reference noise multiplication inside this loop filter BW. Outside the BW, it's the DACs and VCO's noise floor. But for a crystal 1GHz reference, you would use a simple PLL with an extremely small loop filter BW (say <1Hz) so that your total phase noise is only dependent on the 1GHz crystal reference, and not at all on your 10MHz reference anymore. The PLL could be as simple as an Exor gate in this case. I have been trying to get phase noise/jitter specs from Fox for their new 1GHz Xpresso crystals, but it is hard to come by. I am waiting for feedback from them. They only specify "UI"!? But let's say these are as good as advertised, and for me that would mean say better than -95dBc/Hz at 10Hz offset from 1GHz carrier, then by reduction through the DDS, we would theoretically get -20dB below this, or -115dBc/Hz at 100MHz output. I would assume that at that point the noise floor of the DDS DAC chip is the limiting factor at <-150dBc/Hz as it is for the well-known AD9858 chip (it actually measures about -155dBc/Hz). AD has new chips coming this month, see for example the AD9957 with a 14 bit DAC (9858 has 10 bits), I assume these will have an even lower phase noise floor and very important lower spurs than the AD9858, the datasheet says TBD: _http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/AD9957.pdf_ (http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/AD9957.pdf) Bye, Said <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list [email protected] https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
