Re: [time-nuts] hp 54600a and rs-232

2014-04-22 Thread bownes
"Framing error" or "override" sounds like a parity or stop bit issues. Have you changed those at all? 7E2 often works when 8N1 is specified. > On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:34, "Collins, Graham" wrote: > > Thank you Thomas, > > I have that document but it wasn't of much help. I spent much time over

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO & Crystal Aging

2014-04-11 Thread bownes
Interesting idea. It might be an interesting experiment to couple a large number of inexpensive xtals to see how it impacts effects such as sudden changes in a single xtal. With sufficient monitoring of each one, you could even tune the coupling to amplify/attenuate the results of the 'good' a

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968

2014-02-25 Thread Bob Bownes
Lot's of connectors change specification @ 18Ghz or are not rated bast 18Ghz. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > jim...@earthlink.net said: > > there's a BIG jump in cost when you cross that 18GHz boundary line. > > What's magic about 18 GHz? Why not 16 or 20? > > > -- >

Re: [time-nuts] fast edge, rise time.

2013-12-26 Thread bownes
There are some good alternatives to krytrons. Just don't expect to be able to afford or export them. ;) > On Dec 26, 2013, at 21:26, Bob Camp wrote: > > Hi > > Unless you want run for < 1 second, that rules out a Krytron. > > Length of operation also impacts some of the other implementatio

Re: [time-nuts] Clock Driver Design

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Bownes
TV video distribution amps work very nicely. Even better if you open them up and change the matching from 75ohm to 50. :) Bob On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV < glennmaill...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Would an analog video distribution amplifier work? > These are available ch

Re: [time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-08 Thread Bob Bownes
e gate in this case will move the pulse by 100MS. > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Bob Bownes wrote: >> 100ms is an awful lot of 'inverter gates'! >> >> On Sep 7, 2013, at 23:15, Chris Albertson wrote: >> >>> With RS232 the data uses negative

Re: [time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Bownes
100ms is an awful lot of 'inverter gates'! On Sep 7, 2013, at 23:15, Chris Albertson wrote: > With RS232 the data uses negative logic (low is "1") and the control > lines use positive logic (high is "1".) That is, a control line is > "asserted" when it is at logic 0, a positive voltage. > >

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Bownes
They also make nice panadapters... On Aug 5, 2013, at 17:25, Lizeth Norman wrote: > Gents, > These things are limited in usefulness by themselves. They need decent > filtering and preamps for any weak signal stuff. > If all you want to do receive the local channels, then these are for you! > Nor

Re: [time-nuts] [OT} audiophile outlets.....

2013-06-19 Thread bownes
And there is your product. The GPSDO derived 44.1 kHz reference! I only ask for a 10% royalty.:) On Jun 19, 2013, at 20:54, Tom Knox wrote: > I wonder what is the best way to obtain 44.1KHz from a 5-10MHz reference. > > Thomas Knox > > > >> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:14:17 -0600 >> From: ala

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up question re: microcontroller families

2013-05-26 Thread bownes
For making a blinking LEDs, it is hard to beat a 74LS74. However, a PIC, is probably less expensive! :) On May 26, 2013, at 13:33, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > If you head over to the auction sites and do a bit of creative digging / > bidding, the Arduino clones are amazingly cheap. They easily b

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up question re: microcontroller families

2013-05-26 Thread bownes
I use the Arduino as a rapid prototype development platform. I build the application and the hardware on the Arduino and then move the cpu to a standalone board. You can also use the Arduino as a programmer much like someone else suggested. Bob On May 26, 2013, at 13:19, Chris Albertson wrot

Re: [time-nuts] Good (cheap) PIC chip choice for project?

2013-05-25 Thread Bob Bownes
I suspect Linux based systems are a few sigma away from the original goal of a cheap pic choice...:) But to get back to the original point, you can get samples of most of the PIC chips from MicroChip for free. I think the limit is 3 per week. Or 30 days, I don't remember. Bob On May 25, 2013,

Re: [time-nuts] apple Xcode

2013-05-20 Thread bownes
Oh, you can do it, but you really need to know what you're doing. As the prev poster said, it depends on what you are doing. Simple compiles are straightforward, autoconf if its a bit more complex, use Xcode. If you are doing work on an app that needs a GUI, Xcode makes it easy. On May 20, 2

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nut Pickens at the MIT Flea ?

2013-05-19 Thread Bob Bownes
We should plan a Time-Nuts BOF lunch after the next flea. Saw little TN gear @ Dayton save one Efretom RBI time base for $1800 and a few 10811s of dubious quality for $50 ea. the dents put me off gambling on one since I was given or the afternoon before! ;) On May 19, 2013, at 21:50, paul swed

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-27 Thread bownes
On Mar 27, 2013, at 22:54, Jim Lux wrote: > On 3/27/13 3:20 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > > > Of course, for the more mechanically inclined.. what about a big flywheel > driving an alternator. You might be able to rejigger a car alternator. I > don't recall how many poles they have.. A motor dri

Re: [time-nuts] Nifty "MINI TIC" for DMTD

2013-02-08 Thread bownes
Used is definitely the way to go. My stereo zoom scope was $15! On Feb 8, 2013, at 16:12, "DaveH" wrote: > Check to see if there are any tech auctions in your area. > > Picked up a nice scope with stand and illuminator for $90 in the Seattle > area. > > Dave > >> -Original Message- >>

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-01-27 Thread Bob Bownes
There are some well documented issues with timing and USB that have been rehashed here a few times. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: > >> At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or >> Ethernet to serial ada

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-01-27 Thread bownes
The problem with the Ethernet adapters is the lack of software support on the OS side. I'd have gone to that long ago if I could point any bit if software at a serial port that was actually on a terminal server out on the ip fabric. On Jan 27, 2013, at 12:30, Peter Gottlieb wrote: > At work w

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A trouble

2013-01-12 Thread bownes
That is exactly what mine does when it has marginal power on the 48v input. You may find that 50-52vdc works. On Jan 13, 2013, at 0:14, Joseph Gray wrote: > After many years of faithful service, my Z3801A has stopped working. > It seems to be going through a loop at powerup. All of the LEDs bl

Re: [time-nuts] suggestions for free samples from AD

2013-01-05 Thread bownes
You can generally get free samples of moderate cost from a vendors website. Mini-circuits and Hittite are the notable exceptions. On Jan 5, 2013, at 20:42, Lizeth Norman wrote: > Gentlemen: > My experience is that if you place an order of some substance, > assistance will be forthcoming. > Som

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Bob Bownes
Paul Wade built a board recently to do just this. www.w1ghz.org. Bob On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > THis is exactly what they are talking about the 74HC390 can do over > 50MHz and costs abut 30 cents. You don't need ECL or anything so > exotic the 30 cent part will w

Re: [time-nuts] GPS DO Alternatives

2012-12-08 Thread bownes
I've only been following this thread distantly, however, I have been playing with arduinos quite a bit of late. If you wanted to incorporate one as the processor of choice in a new design, the cost is quite low, under $4.00us for the processor in quantity one. I've used one in a new design in

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-11-30 Thread bownes
It all depends on what clock your talking about. Any given PC probably has more than one oscillator onboard. Generally there will be one for the CPU, one for the display circuitry, and probably one for the real time clock. Presuming you are talking about the CPU clock, it should be fairly strai

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread bownes
You can also overdrive a mmic and get good results. That is what I'm using as the oscillator for my 1.296 GHz beacon. Bob On Nov 27, 2012, at 15:45, Ed Palmer wrote: > Hi Don, > > Yes, I've heard of SRDs. I think every Rb standard uses them. I recently > purchased a YIG Multiplier that in

Re: [time-nuts] Nifty "MINI TIC" for DMTD work

2012-11-19 Thread bownes
+1 please! On Nov 19, 2012, at 16:23, mcqu...@sonic.net wrote: >> >> "MINI-TIC" for DMTD work >> >> >> Hi Everyone! >> >> I've been testing a Miniature 2 channel TIC that Bert Kehren and Juerg >> Koegel >> and Richard Mc Corkle have designed. > > > Please add my name to the list! > Thank yo

Re: [time-nuts] RasberryPi, timing and GPS receivers

2012-10-16 Thread bownes
By the way, you need not use a USB serial adapter. Several folks are doing PPS on the gpio pins. Take a look here https://github.com/davidk/adafruit-raspberrypi-linux-pps And here http://www.frambozenbier.org/index.php/raspi-community-news/4439-george-lu-on-ntp-pps On Oct 16, 2012, at 22:03

Re: [time-nuts] Antique 5061A option 004

2012-10-15 Thread bownes
Boy am I glad I didn't go to either! On Oct 15, 2012, at 17:30, "David I. Emery" wrote: >In a mad moment at the NEARFest flea this weekend I grabbed > a 5061A for $250. Poor thing was getting wet in the rain and needed > a home. Really really heavy to carry to the car, however... > >

Re: [time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation betweentwo clients.

2012-10-05 Thread bownes
Comments inline. On Oct 5, 2012, at 18:26, Hal Murray wrote: > > bow...@gmail.com said: >> The problem is that they start in sync and over the course of a day drift >> that far apart despite having NTP running. We're not sure why NTP isn't >> correcting it along the way. Though at this point,

Re: [time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation betweentwo clients.

2012-10-04 Thread Bob Bownes
David, The problem is that they start in sync and over the course of a day drift that far apart despite having NTP running. We're not sure why NTP isn't correcting it along the way. Though at this point, we are looking at a firmware bug. Thanks! Bob On Oct 5, 2012, at 12:30 AM, "David J Taylor

Re: [time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation between two clients.

2012-10-04 Thread Bob Bownes
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:04:27 -0400 > Bob Bownes wrote: > > > The problem stems from one of the two (identical) machines drifting off > by > > 60-70 seconds per day. So a few ms here and there are ok. > > Is i

Re: [time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation between two clients.

2012-10-04 Thread Bob Bownes
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > bow...@gmail.com said: > > Due to reasons I really can't go into, a systems user is concerned with > the > > displacement of two servers from the same pair of stratum 2 NTP servers. > > > Assuming you are running the standard ntpd... It i

[time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation between two clients.

2012-10-04 Thread bownes
It had to happen eventually. Time Nut interest overlapped with $DAY_JOB. Due to reasons I really can't go into, a systems user is concerned with the displacement of two servers from the same pair of stratum 2 NTP servers. I'm convinced that it really isn an issue as long as the two systems i

Re: [time-nuts] OT question about liquid cooling

2012-10-03 Thread bownes
BWIWY (back when I was young) we needed a dummy load for a supercomputer (think Cray YMP size) that drew many many kw. Our test load was about 250' of 3/4" copper tubing coiled at about 12" dia and 1" spacing. The load was varied by changing where the + and - leads were bolted onto the coil wi

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Jammer

2012-10-02 Thread bownes
Many folks. The paranoid tinfoil hat crowd Folks who are concerned that law enforcement has placed a GPS tracker on their car. Truckers avoiding log enforcement Truckers who want to sleep rather than drive. Ambulance drivers who want to sleep but claim to have been held up at hospital. Em

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on a Laptop

2012-09-27 Thread Bob Bownes
I run an XP VM in either VirtualBox (under linux) or Parallels (on my mac) to do the same thing. Works like a charm. Bob On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM, paul swed wrote: > My I like your approach. > Now I have to go see what all of this might cost. > On vmware are you running esxi?? > Suspec

Re: [time-nuts] Javad's J-Shield

2012-09-21 Thread Bob Bownes
It isn't an article. It's an 11 page ad. Notice there are no magazine page footers and the formatting is not the same as articles. Most 'reputable' publications would now put 'Advertisement' at the bottom of each page. Bob On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: > I understand fu

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread bownes
The local sandwich shop that I frequent recently switched to LED lighting. When I walk up to the counter I can see the flicker when people's hands are moving. The same applies for LED taillights when a vehicle is moving as well as newer LED tower lighting. Bob On Sep 18, 2012, at 13:15, Hal

Re: [time-nuts] Reducing lab noise with LED lighting.

2012-09-17 Thread Bob Bownes
AllElectronics has has some ~24", 24 white LED white strips available for about $7 of late. I purchased a bunch and stick them under the lips of the shelves in my office/lab and powered them with an old laptop brick I had sitting about. Look great, wickedly cheap, and very effective, especially at

Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port

2012-08-19 Thread bownes
Agreed. Just pointing out there isn't a big porting effort to get ntpd itself up and running. On Aug 19, 2012, at 22:24, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, bownes wrote: > >> It comes w ntp out of the box if you run fedora. >> >> >

Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port

2012-08-19 Thread bownes
AFIK there are no > neat counters like on a 45xx board. You also don't have a well tuned ntp > since it's LInux. > > Bob > > On Aug 19, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Chris Albertson > wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM, bownes wrote: >> >>&

Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port

2012-08-19 Thread bownes
Why not just use a raspberry pi? Uses a whole 2w at idle. Ntp might bump that to 2.01. On Aug 19, 2012, at 13:06, Chris Albertson wrote: > This sounds like a newer version of the board I use. The thing to check > is if the CPU heat sink has a fan or not. Having no fan indicates that

Re: [time-nuts] web presentation of data

2012-08-07 Thread Bob Bownes
If you are looking to graph long running data and provide rolled up summaries, the combination of MRTG and RRDtool is pretty hard to beat. Can work with pretty much anything on the back end. And it's the industry standard for network monitoring. http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/doc/mrtg.en.html Or some

Re: [time-nuts] Cables dor 10 mHz

2012-07-30 Thread bownes
Not only do i remember the frozen yellow hose, I still have my vampire tap drill/tool...now finding it may be another matter...:) On Jul 30, 2012, at 18:53, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Sylvain Munaut <246...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> 10 mHz >> >> Please use MHz .

Re: [time-nuts] Cables dor 10 mHz

2012-07-30 Thread Bob Bownes
Old ThinNet was coax, as was ThickNet before it. Only in the Modern Age have they been using twisted pair. :) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Sylvain Munaut <246...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 10 mHz > > Please use MHz ... > > 10 mHz is 10 milli-hertz, ie 1 cycle every 10 second. > > > An yes, ethe

Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared questionfor SFO area....

2012-07-27 Thread bownes
Interesting that they use jammers. The guys on the ambulances just wrap the antennas with the foil from burger wrappers or the like. On Jul 28, 2012, at 0:34, Jim Lux wrote: > On 7/27/12 6:42 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote: >> Does anyone know if there is ANY recent active Lightsquared testing taki

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble T Lassen 2 - suitableantenna....advice.....questions

2012-07-23 Thread Bob Bownes
The pulse from my T-Bolt is on the order of 1uS wide. I captured it on the digital scope for posterity and future reference. http://www.fastbobs.com/pictures/1pps.jpg Bob On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > I wass fooled by this too. My analog scope does not sync on at

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt mounting

2012-07-13 Thread bownes
As someone pointed out, it is dependent on where you are, as well as a number of other factors. I've got a nice chunk of concrete tied to bedrock about 10' below the surface with a thermal variation that is below the threshold of the thermometer i have there. Since I need to put something e

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt mounting

2012-07-13 Thread bownes
I've oft considered bolting one to the cement wall in my basement, which is a very nice, very stable 57deg F just to see how it holds. On Jul 13, 2012, at 14:36, "Don Latham" wrote: > You can get one of these at any large truck stop :-) > Don > > Peter Gottlieb > Now I >> suppose one cou

Re: [time-nuts] [OT]: HP-5061A and a dust bunny.....

2012-07-08 Thread bownes
I understand this event perfectly. Our feline owners leave us presents on an occasional basis. Usually we find them straight away, but when we can't, ninja nose wife takes over. For some reason, however, they tend to only leave the back half of the dead rabbit. My spouse says it is because the

Re: [time-nuts] US 5065A standby battery cell source?

2012-07-01 Thread bownes
I get my tabbed batteries from Batteries America. Decent prices and good quality. On Jul 1, 2012, at 19:41, Dan Rae wrote: > All this discussion of the excellence of these Rb units reminds me that > another cell must have died in my battery pack since the slightest glitch in > the power h

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Paywall Rant (was Re: Spoofing GPS)

2012-06-28 Thread Bob Bownes
The fact that a clause is not enforceable doesn't prevent it from being put in contracts to scare non lawyers. I had my personal attorney, who happens to work for a firm that has another atty that specializes in employee/union side labor law, review one of my employment contracts once. His opinion

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-22 Thread Bob Bownes
I buy them on ebay. Usually <$30+S&H for 32 ports. 64 port units are harder to find as are self booting units. (Most xylogics boot from the network, which is easy enough to make work) On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: > Terminal servers are simple boxes. You just Telne

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up onusing ?

2012-05-22 Thread Bob Bownes
I use the lantronix serial to ethernet converters and I use Xylogix terminal servers. I've not had much luck getting either to work with classic windows based applications, though I'd love to do so as I have a plethora of both. I use a 64 port xylogix in the basement to connect to all the serial p

Re: [time-nuts] Clocks for Audio gear

2012-05-11 Thread Bob Bownes
> > 2) - an interesting experiment in brain filtering is to stand near a > broadband noise source (fan or air conditioner or radio with someone > talking) and talk with someone. Have a recorder going and record your > conversation. You can understand the other person perfectly while face to > face

Re: [time-nuts] GPS, USGS Early Earthquake Warning

2012-04-28 Thread bownes
WIWAUG (when I was an under grad), it was explained to me that the seismometers were log scale and basically don't clip. When you get into a big event, the last few decimal places just don't matter. We also used differential GPS across known fault lines to measure slip both over time and durin

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)

2012-04-16 Thread Bob Bownes
You know, I have a 1Gig Tek digital (DSA602 with 11A72/11A71,11A34) on my bench and a 1G Tek analog (7934). The 7934 never gets fired up anymore. I really should reclaim the space. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Tom Knox wrote: > > I was speaking several years ago to someone at Tektronix and

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C at MIT

2012-04-15 Thread bownes
Yup. Once a month. Good sized parking lot plus four or five floors of a parking garage. Sounds like there were enough T-N there to have had a gathering! :) I too looked at all the loran units and decided to pass. III On Apr 15, 2012, at 17:45, "Don Latham" wrote: > Oh, I can't stand it...f

Re: [time-nuts] Best location for a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-11 Thread Bob Bownes
I suspect that would make the multipath problem even worse. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Andrea Baldoni wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:19:40AM -0400, Bob Bownes wrote: > > > I do like the optical isolation suggestion. While less than optimal, > > perhaps the easiest

Re: [time-nuts] Best location for a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-11 Thread Bob Bownes
Don't forget to tighten the fiber connectors and correct for the length of the fiber or you'll be off by 60ns! ;) On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Bob Bownes wrote: > > > The issue is that this treats the t'bo

Re: [time-nuts] Best location for a GPS antenna...?

2012-04-11 Thread Bob Bownes
I do like the optical isolation suggestion. While less than optimal, perhaps the easiest solution is not to put the isolation between the t'bolt and the antenna, but to put the isolation between the t'bolt and the distribution amplifier. For example, locate the antenna as suggested. Locate the t'b

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-03-30 Thread Bob Bownes
I find it very curious that the 'master clock' computer is very clearly a desktop class machine rather than something in a sever rack with controlled environmentals, power, etc. Bob On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Javier Serrano < javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012

Re: [time-nuts] 0MHz distribution...NOT

2012-03-12 Thread Bob Bownes
What, if any, are the phase changes? On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > > > On 03/10/2012 04:44 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: > >> I've done this as well. >> >> I daisy chained several pieces of hp and marconi gear together that all >> had an approx 1k ohm input imp

[time-nuts] 5061's on ebay

2012-02-22 Thread Bob Bownes
There are 3 5061's listed on ebay at the moment. Anyone know anything about them? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] How best to exchange Large files?

2012-02-21 Thread bownes
Wow. I just save it to an nfs share on the NAS. Then I can get to it from anywhere in the house/world... Have not seen anyone use kermit or zmodem orsplit or rar or uuencode for a long long time. On Feb 21, 2012, at 18:59, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Robert

Re: [time-nuts] Low-long-term-drift clock for board level integration?

2012-02-20 Thread Bob Bownes
Think trying to measure the distance between two distant moving spacecraft with no idea what the gravitational gradient is between them or the ability to measure the doppler. Unless, of course, Bill is doing much different things than he was when I last ran into him. :) On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A......????

2012-02-17 Thread bownes
t; > Any interest? > Make me an offer and it's yours after I get time to test is out. > > > -Brian, WA1ZMS > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:56 PM, bownes wrote: > > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >

Re: [time-nuts] Tek to HP conversion... Was: Re: Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI

2012-02-17 Thread bownes
Yup. Between the 1ghz 7000 series, the DSA602 w 1Ghz plug ins, and the 2236 portable I don't expect I'll ever need to buy another scope. On Feb 17, 2012, at 16:36, "J. Forster" wrote: > Tek went into the toilet when Danaher bought them out. > > I bought a TDS1002 and could not even get the

[time-nuts] Tek to HP conversion... Was: Re: Fwd: FE-5680A Contact FEI

2012-02-17 Thread Bob Bownes
I was a Tek aficionado for many many years. My first personal scope was a tek, my first work scope was a Tek. I've owned at least half a dozen over the decades. The three scopes I own today are Tek. But everything else on my lab bench has changed over to HP (with the exception of a couple of TM5006

Re: [time-nuts] nanoseconds in the news

2012-02-16 Thread bownes
There was a system in NJ with over 3000 ps2s in a supercomputer config. The financial industry's idea of high cost is a bit different than most. The price of your real time ticker feed from the exchanges is directly proportional to the associated network latency due to speed of light. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A 1 pps photo

2012-02-03 Thread Bob Bownes
Just for completeness sake, here is a screen capture off of my DSA-602 of the 1pps. Note that the trace starts 500ns _before_ the 1pps triggers the capture. Ah the wonders of digital sampling. http://www.fastbobs.com/pictures/1pps.jpg Also as a pdf http://www.fastbobs.com/pictures/1pps.pdf Bob

Re: [time-nuts] TM 5680-0211 for 5680A series Rubidiums

2012-02-01 Thread Bob Bownes
If someone sends me the manual, I have a location I can host it. Bob On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Larry McDavid wrote: > I wish Rob Kimberley's email address had been preserved so I could also > ask for this manual pdf file without adding traffic to TimeNuts. > > Chris Albertson offered to

[time-nuts] Determination of the placement of the first pps

2012-01-20 Thread Bob Bownes
As I am, as Heinlein would say, but an egg in terms of time-nuttery, perhaps someone could point me toward some history in order to help answer a question recently posed to me. At what point was the original global 1pps leading (trailing?) edge defined/distributed and to what was (is) it reference

[time-nuts] 5370A on ebay

2012-01-17 Thread Bob Bownes
if anyone is looking for a 5370, there is one on ebay that is currently listed for $29+shipping... http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-5370A-Universal-Time-Interval-Counter-/160714650831?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256b56f4cf No financial interest, but that's a lot less than I paid for mine! ;)

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-13 Thread bownes
On Jan 13, 2012, at 17:51, Chris Albertson wrote: > > > I'm surprised that no one has built a GPIB controller from a uP. > Electrically the GPIB is simple and slow by modern standards. > Several have. That is basically what the prologix is. There is another one you see on eBay quite oft

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Bownes
When you are thinking about replacing GPS receivers, don't forget about every police car, ambulance, fire truck and most of the tractor trailer's in the US...The latter don't need timing down to the second, but the first three use it to well under a minute. One of the first things you learn when o

Re: [time-nuts] Getting my Rockwell D200 GPS to work

2012-01-06 Thread bownes
-- > > > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of bownes > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:49 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >

Re: [time-nuts] Getting my Rockwell D200 GPS to work

2012-01-06 Thread bownes
Step one...is the antenna in a location where it can see they sky? Sorry if it is a stupid question but you already said it was plugged in. :) On Jan 6, 2012, at 19:24, "Don Lewis" wrote: > Can someone please give me some pointers (my first time with a GPS module). > > > > A little hand-ho

Re: [time-nuts] Speaking of shipments from China

2011-12-30 Thread bownes
It is one of those cost/benefit calculations. The cost of sorting the real gifts from the commerce <$100 labeled as gift probably wouldn't pay for itself. It is, of course illegal. The question is are we better off changing the enforcement or the law. Not to mention the cost of the latter. Ma

Re: [time-nuts] line frequency website

2011-12-30 Thread bownes
Imagine a 3d map in which colour represents phase or frequency and Z displacement of the sample point represents voltage. Would make for a nice animation anyway. On Dec 30, 2011, at 17:47, shali...@gmail.com wrote: > The problem is that while the frequency is going to be pretty much the sam

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 89, Issue 51

2011-12-15 Thread bownes
Those bolts would be whitworth. On Dec 15, 2011, at 14:43, "Steve ." wrote: > The laboratory where i work obviously reports results using the SI metric > system. There is one exception though, and that is the energy side, > specifically calorimetry. At first glance the calorimeters appear to

Re: [time-nuts] gravity controlled pendulumn clock?

2011-12-13 Thread Bob Bownes
What's metric or Common Measure about seconds? ;) Bob On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Don Latham wrote: > Ah yes, God's units as revealed by the French. :-)my mistake > Don > > Jim Palfreyman >> Gentlemen, gentlemen and gentlemen! >> >> We are time-nuts. Accuracy is paramount. We are scientist

Re: [time-nuts] filtering a 10Mhz frequency standard?

2011-12-12 Thread Bob Bownes
Paul Wade did a paper on 10Mhz GPSDO filtering for Microwave Update in October. It is in the proceedings. I don't know if it is available elsewhere. Bob On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:17 PM, wrote: > I think you would want to avoid crystal filters due to microphonics. > > I've found building good L

Re: [time-nuts] New York State Metrology lab

2011-12-07 Thread Bob Bownes
Ayup. For some definition of precision at least. :) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 12/7/11 8:18 AM, Bob Bownes wrote: >> >> Much to my amazement, this morning I discovered that the State of New >> York, where I live, has their own Metrology lab less t

[time-nuts] New York State Metrology lab

2011-12-07 Thread Bob Bownes
Much to my amazement, this morning I discovered that the State of New York, where I live, has their own Metrology lab less than a mile from my office. And are building a new lab. http://alloveralbany.com/archive/2011/12/07/that-building-going-up-on-the-state-campus-along-w#more And to my amazemen

Re: [time-nuts] The GPS velocity of light versus neutrinos

2011-11-21 Thread Bob Bownes
Keep in mind that a common view or LOS light method will have a problem with the variability of the medium density along the path being unknown. You could do it in a vacuum however. I come back to the base question of 'since the speed of light varies depending on the medium, does the speed of the

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring short term stability minus linear drift

2011-10-08 Thread bownes
On Oct 8, 2011, at 18:27, Hal Murray wrote: > >> I find that at JPL (and I assume others have found this too) that we'll go >> off and reinvent the wheel (maybe because we're working in parallel >> ignorance) for something. > > I remember a story from many years ago. I think the context w

Re: [time-nuts] [Solved] Looking for multiple PPS timestamp logging

2011-10-04 Thread Bob Bownes
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: > > What I haven't decided is whether to have my son use the 34401A and GPIB > polling via a Prologix adapter versus a simple MCU firmware using a 2.5V > reference voltage and a 10-12 bit ADC and outputs the ADC result either > once a second,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Interference Question

2011-09-30 Thread Bob Bownes
Exactly. The narrower the filter, the more it will cost. In general. On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Tom Holmes wrote: > Sticking with the intent to keep this non-political, what good is a filter > if the offending signal is within the necessary passband? > > Tom Holmes, N8ZM > Tipp City, OH

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Interference Question

2011-09-30 Thread Bob Bownes
Right. The fixed location apps are not all that hard. But the mobile ones are going to be a big problem. Not to mention getting them certified for the application. The GPS you have in your car is not certified for life critical applications. The one I have in my ambulance is. And let's not even ge

Re: [time-nuts] Fast than light neutrino

2011-09-23 Thread Bob Bownes
As always, the answer is 'it depends'. :) Solid rock? Liquid rock? Gaseous rock? Plasma? :) Wavelength? A nice light rock like calcite it probably isn't too tough to measure. Si02 is pretty easy too, I'm sure. For classic basaltic or feldspathic rocks, I suspect you are going to need something

Re: [time-nuts] Comparison of two clocks

2011-09-07 Thread Bob Bownes
The simplest method of all would be to put one on the X axis and one on the Y axis of an o-scope. What levels of precision/accuracy are you looking for? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Ilja Gerhardt wrote: > Hi time nuts - > > I am new to the list and have a trivial question on the comparison o

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-16 Thread bownes
I'd love to find a Smiths analogue clock to match the gauges in the dash of my old British car! On Jul 16, 2011, at 10:56, Michael Poulos wrote: > On 7/10/2011 5:04 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: >> My car has an interior look similar to this: >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thum

Re: [time-nuts] Panel Mount Frequency Counter

2011-07-15 Thread Bob Bownes
There are a number of kits available on ebay and other places. Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread bownes
My educated guess is that they expected to sell these to telcos, who traditionally run everything in a central office on -48v and running off of ac was an afterthought. On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:43, Marco IK1ODO wrote: > Hello group, > > after many years (about 12, I think) of faithful continuo

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-08 Thread bownes
Guess I'm an oddball, I have my choice of about a dozen wrist bourn time pieces from the dresser. Hardly the best, but my favourite is a euro spec tag heurer chrono. On Jul 8, 2011, at 11:37, Pete Lancashire wrote: > I normally don't. Use to but one day it stopped working and never got >

Re: [time-nuts] Lightspeed (leagalese) vs GPS .. Final report

2011-07-07 Thread Bob Bownes
Nice summary: “In the end, the laws of physics won out.” On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/final-report-fcc-working-group-lose-lightsquared-l-band-11848 > > ___ > time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] Video distribution amp data point

2011-06-23 Thread Bob Bownes
A while ago I was asking if anyone had a dist amp for 10mhz and many suggested looking for video distribution amps. (and a few offered up real 50ohm 10mhz dist amps, and I thank you!) To make a long story short, I found a set of 3 VideoTek VDA-16's in a 1U rack mount on ebay for the completely rea

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2011-06-10 Thread bownes
That small hemispherical antenna could also have been 900mhz. I have one here @ home that is a combined gps/900mhz antenna from an ambulance tracking system. On Jun 10, 2011, at 22:01, Hal Murray wrote: > > li...@rtty.us said: >> There's an enormous amount of gear out there that gets timing

Re: [time-nuts] Results parts selection + commercial assembly poll?

2011-05-16 Thread Bob Bownes
starting a design effort and > ruling out all the likely solutions after it's started. > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Bownes > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:56 AM > To: Disc

Re: [time-nuts] Results parts selection + commercial assembly poll?

2011-05-16 Thread Bob Bownes
I'll add that for some reason the discussion never morphed over to an alternate list created just to discuss a counter project without taking up bandwidth here. Not sure that there was enough interest. Other Bob On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > The polls ran for less t

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