Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? (Bob Stewart)

2013-10-12 Thread johncroos
Howdy Bob - Hi John, I don't have LH here.? I've never looked into it.? Will it work with an NMEA GPS receiver? Bob - AE6RV My error. The T-bolt and LH combination is so common I just assumed you were using a T-bolt. As to your receiver, I do not know. Perhaps someone else on the

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-11 Thread REEVES Paul
measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? .. An ideal GPS antenna would not have a lot of gain straight overhead. You have less atmospheric loss in that direction. What you would want is an antenna that has some gain at 30 to 60 degrees. That was the issue

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-11 Thread Bob Camp
Stewart; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? .. An ideal GPS antenna would not have a lot of gain straight overhead. You have less atmospheric loss in that direction. What you would want is an antenna that has

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? (Bob Stewart)

2013-10-11 Thread johncroos
You might want measure the antenna pattern. Lady Heather has a mode that plots satellite signal level vs azimuth and elevation. You might want to try that. It takes a day or so to get a complete plot, but you have some hard data to compare various choke positions. -73 john k6iql

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? (Bob Stewart)

2013-10-11 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi John, I don't have LH here.  I've never looked into it.  Will it work with an NMEA GPS receiver? Bob - AE6RV From: johncr...@aol.com johncr...@aol.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? (Bob Stewart)

2013-10-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/11/2013 08:05 PM, johncr...@aol.com wrote: You might want measure the antenna pattern. Lady Heather has a mode that plots satellite signal level vs azimuth and elevation. You might want to try that. It takes a day or so to get a complete plot, but you have some hard data to compare

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? (Bob Stewart)

2013-10-11 Thread Bob Stewart
-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? (Bob Stewart) On 10/11/2013 08:05 PM, johncr...@aol.com wrote: You might want measure the antenna pattern. Lady Heather has a mode that plots satellite signal level vs azimuth

[time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Stewart
I bought a set of Wilton tuned pie pans yesterday to experiment with a choke ring antenna.  The kit consists of 4 pans of diameters 12, 10, 8, and 6.  The height of the sides is more or less 51mm.  I've been experimenting with placement of the patch in the pit, but I don't know what I'm looking

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Oops, that height should be 54 mm. From: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net To: Time Nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? I bought a set of Wilton tuned pie pans yesterday

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You are looking for total rejection of any signal below the horizon, and near total rejection of any signal within 10 degrees of the horizon. Obviously total and near total could have db numbers associated with them, but the numbers you get are what ever you get…. Bob On Oct 10, 2013, at

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Stewart
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? Hi You are looking for total rejection of any signal below the horizon, and near total rejection of any signal within 10 degrees of the horizon

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Don Latham
From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? Hi You are looking for total rejection of any

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Don Latham
of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? Hi You are looking for total rejection of any signal below the horizon, and near total rejection of any signal within 10 degrees

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? Hi You are looking for total rejection of any signal below the horizon, and near total rejection of any signal within 10 degrees of the horizon. Obviously total and near total could have db numbers associated with them, but the numbers you get are what

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Bob and Don, Bob: An ideal GPS antenna would not have a lot of gain straight overhead. You have less atmospheric loss in that direction. What you would want is an antenna that has some gain at 30 to 60 degrees. That was the issue with the helix antennas. They have gain straight up (and

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The first design principle they seem to use is to attenuate low angle signals. The assumption is that they are bouncing off ground level targets and then into the antenna. If there is a second principle (like polarization selection) it's not really clear how they are getting that job done.

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Stewart
To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement? Hi The first design principle they seem to use is to attenuate low angle signals

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Well, this is either strange or it makes sense.  It looks like the best pattern is about where the base/ground plane of the patch is level with the rim, and the element of the patch, on the top, is sticking above the rim. Bob ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Antenna - Patch Placement?

2013-10-10 Thread Don Latham
What I said That's where the phase center of a feed horn goes... Don Bob Stewart Well, this is either strange or it makes sense.  It looks like the best pattern is about where the base/ground plane of the patch is level with the rim, and the element of the patch, on the top, is sticking