Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-03 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, First I'm in the UK so this does not directly affect me. I do have some slightly independent comments. Firstly the Garmin tests seemed very reasonable and erred to favor LightSquared. They were free field in an anecohic chamber. There was an L1 notch filter in the output of the

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread David J Taylor
http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/data-shows-disastrous-gps-jamming-fcc-approved-broadcaster-11029?utm_source=GPSutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Navigate_01_31_2011utm_content=data-shows-disastrous-gps-jamming-fcc-approved-broadcaster-11029 Sounds like the planning folk here in the UK who

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread gary
The company, Lightsquared, has stated that it will work with the GPS industry to see which GPS equipment needs filtering so that they don't look into our band. Oh, so we get to buy new gear because they want to interfere. Perhaps we should turn the FCC into an engineering organization rather

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread paul swed
OK the threads run long enough and time to clarify all of this for everyone. See its all about business and cost. Currently the GPS service is a huge reoccurring open ended cos. Now we have convinced everyone else in the world that they have to have the equivalent or better system there are at

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Mark Spencer
, 2011 12:17:27 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/data-shows-disastrous-gps-jamming-fcc-approved-broadcaster-11029?utm_source=GPSutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Navigate_01_31_2011utm_content=data-shows

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread jimlux
On 2/2/11 6:31 AM, Mark Spencer wrote: Hopefully timing receivers using elevated gps antennas with band pass filtering (ie. the 58532A or equivalent..) and a good sky view and strong signal levels will be more resistant to out of band interference than a typical consumer grade portable GPS with

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Mike S
At 09:45 AM 2/2/2011, jimlux wrote... what was interesting is that the jamming/fail to get fix was at a closer distance for the consumer receiver than for the FAA approved receiver for aircraft. Maybe it's better signal processing in the (presumably newer) consumer receiver. Or maybe they

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread jimlux
On 2/2/11 7:14 AM, Mike S wrote: At 09:45 AM 2/2/2011, jimlux wrote... what was interesting is that the jamming/fail to get fix was at a closer distance for the consumer receiver than for the FAA approved receiver for aircraft. Maybe it's better signal processing in the (presumably newer)

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Mark Spencer
2, 2011 6:45:29 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead what was interesting is that the jamming/fail to get fix was at a closer distance for the consumer receiver than for the FAA approved receiver for aircraft.  Maybe it's better signal processing

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Don Latham
likely have a shorter product cycle.   This may lead to more issues in timing applications. - Original Message From: jimlux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:45:29 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: so, once the safety of life equipment is in place, with controlled purchase of receivers no doubt, the consumer signals can be shut off at will. And we're SOL. Neat. That is why the Russians and EU are each spending

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Eric Garner
product cycle.   This may lead to more issues in timing applications. - Original Message From: jimlux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:45:29 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead what

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread paul swed
GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead what was interesting is that the jamming/fail to get fix was at a closer distance for the consumer receiver than for the FAA approved receiver for aircraft. Maybe it's better signal processing in the (presumably newer) consumer

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Chris Albertson
I wonder how much advancement has occurred in timing receivers over the years versus consumer devices which likely have a shorter product cycle.   This may lead to more issues in timing applications. Many timing receivers already have decent anti-jam features. They were designed for use on

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: True enough there will be three systems heck many channels also. But that reality actually means my magical HP 3801 may not work or could become unreliable at best. So how do we hack those new receivers for time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: A notch filter can also be constructed to notch out the jammer if it is out of band. A twin T design might be effective and low cost Unfortunately, unless the interfering carrier is much too far away to be a problem in the first place, the phase shift of the notch filter (and

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: Chris wrote: A notch filter can also be constructed to notch out the jammer if it is out of band.  A twin T design might be  effective and low cost Unfortunately, unless the interfering carrier is much

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread J. Forster
Most GPS users care about position, not time. -John === Chris wrote: A notch filter can also be constructed to notch out the jammer if it is out of band. A twin T design might be effective and low cost Unfortunately, unless the interfering carrier is much too far away to be

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread bownes
Of the 2 lc orgs I administer or am a member of, and the roughly 8 other lc orgs I interact with on a regular basis, only one uses lc certified gps equip. The others are all consumer grade or don't use gps. However, a slew of filings and letters from the lc community might not be a bad

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread Rex
On 2/2/2011 2:29 PM, bownes wrote: Of the 2 lc orgs I administer or am a member of, and the roughly 8 other lc orgs I interact with on a regular basis, only one uses lc certified gps equip. The others are all consumer grade or don't use gps. However, a slew of filings and letters from the lc

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-02 Thread bownes
Sorry. Life critical. Fire, ems, law enforcement, aviation, etc. On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Rex r...@sonic.net wrote: On 2/2/2011 2:29 PM, bownes wrote: Of the 2 lc orgs I administer or am a member of, and the roughly 8 other lc orgs I interact with on a regular basis, only one uses lc

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-01 Thread WB6BNQ
Joe, The only thing they are worth is a 6 inch linear accelerator. 73BillWB6BNQ Joseph Gray wrote: Reading the article, it sure smells like something is going on and it doesn't smell good. What's the going price for an FCC official, a Congressman,

Re: [time-nuts] From GPS World - Lightsquared has been given the goahead

2011-02-01 Thread lists
You left out IBOC, especially IBOC on AM at night. The FCC brass has zero technical knowledge. -Original Message- From: x...@darksmile.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:17:40 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com;