[time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-06 Thread Mark Sims
Earth circumference is around 25,000 miles - 132E6 feet. 24 bit mantissa (23 bits plus sign) gives a resolution in this application of around 15.7 feet since negative measurements don't apply. --- Oh... 24 bit mantissa should give 1.25 m resolution if my headcounting is

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 518733c4.1020...@gmail.com, Sarah White writes: On 5/6/2013 12:29 AM, Mark Sims wrote: The 48-hour precision survey in Lady Heather uses a statistical weighted median filter to arrive at its final location instead of a simple average of fixes. It processes data of one minute, hour,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-06 Thread Stewart Cobb
A subtle point: The GPS satellite orbits are controlled so that their (nominal) ground tracks precisely repeat every day. To make this work, their day is not a standard 24-hour day but a sidereal day lasting 23 hours, 56 minutes, and about 4 seconds. The satellites actually go around the earth

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
@febo.com Rubrik: [time-nuts] GPS position survey Earth circumference is around 25,000 miles - 132E6 feet.  24 bit mantissa (23 bits plus sign)  gives a resolution in this application of around 15.7 feet since negative measurements don't apply. --- Oh... 24 bit mantissa should

[time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
Hi fellow time nuts! I've recently bought a Trimble Acutime gold that will be used as a reference clock for a NTP server. This receiver has the possibility of averaging it's position before entering what Trimble calls the overdetermined clock state. The default is to average the position with

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 8311230247672528820@unknownmsgid, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Miguel_Barbosa_Go n=E7alves?= writes: This receiver has the possibility of averaging it's position before entering what Trimble calls the overdetermined clock state. The default is to average the position with 2000 fixes. What do you

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
On 5 May 2013 11:51, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 8311230247672528820@unknownmsgid, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Miguel_Barbosa_Go n=E7alves?= writes: This receiver has the possibility of averaging it's position before entering what Trimble calls the overdetermined clock state.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Something like 48 hours is a good idea *if* you have the time to do them. Bob On May 5, 2013, at 7:34 AM, Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves m...@mbg.pt wrote: On 5 May 2013 11:51, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 8311230247672528820@unknownmsgid,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Chris Albertson
If the only use of the GPS receiver is to drive NTP, then 2,000 seconds is long enough NTP runs at the microsecond level and the tiny remaining error after 2000 seconds will never be noticed by NTP. However if you are really nuts and want to do the best you can then let it run for 12 hours.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message caedntmsjwt0suxbzdrnz3enyw6xhuvlhvmfw_cmq5r8etay...@mail.gmail.com , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Miguel_Barbosa_Gon=E7alves?= writes: So you think a full day of position survey will be better? I don't know if it is as sensitive on your lattitude as mine (56N) but here N*12 hours works best, for as

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
When doing a position survey, does Lady Heather have to be running? Or does the Thunderbolt do it by itself? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software 10255 NW

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
On 5 May 2013 20:18, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote: When doing a position survey, does Lady Heather have to be running? Or does the Thunderbolt do it by itself? I don't know about Thunderbolt but on my Acutime Gold the Windows software sends the restart survey command to the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Sarah White
On 5/5/2013 6:35 AM, Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves wrote: Hi fellow time nuts! I've recently bought a Trimble Acutime gold that will be used as a reference clock for a NTP server. This receiver has the possibility of averaging it's position before entering what Trimble calls the overdetermined

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread mike cook
Le 5 mai 2013 à 21:18, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R a écrit : When doing a position survey, does Lady Heather have to be running? Or does the Thunderbolt do it by itself? Good question. I would have thought that once started, the survey would complete even though LH was stopped/started,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
On 5 May 2013 12:28, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: I myself did a sampling over a period of 1 million samples (actually, it was a value of 2^20, not exactly 1 million) quickest it could have completed such a survey is 12+ days ... However, I had masks set for elevation, signal, etc.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Chris Albertson
If you are talking about using this with NTP. I don't know if you have a choice. The Trimble receiver is going to do whatever it is going to do when you power it up.Software running on a PC can perform a 24 hour survey and report the location but the Type 29 driver in NTP has no way to tell

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
Hi Chris! On 06/05/2013, at 01:21, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: If you are talking about using this with NTP. I don't know if you have a choice. The Trimble receiver is going to do whatever it is going to do when you power it up.Software running on a PC can perform

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Chris Albertson
So this is different from the Thunderbolt, even if they both use the same serial protocol or can the t-bolt also have it's flash rom programmed from a PC? The bottle neck in the system in the uncertainty in the interrupt latency on the PC where NTP runs. After all this I doubt you can captures

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread lists
-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey So this is different from the Thunderbolt, even if they both use the same serial protocol or can the t-bolt also have it's flash rom programmed from a PC? The bottle neck

[time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Mark Sims
The 48-hour precision survey in Lady Heather uses a statistical weighted median filter to arrive at its final location instead of a simple average of fixes. It processes data of one minute, hour, and overlapping 24 hour intervals to calculate the final position. It can produce a location

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Sarah White
On 5/6/2013 12:29 AM, Mark Sims wrote: The 48-hour precision survey in Lady Heather uses a statistical weighted median filter to arrive at its final location instead of a simple average of fixes. It processes data of one minute, hour, and overlapping 24 hour intervals to calculate the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position survey

2013-05-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Oh... 24 bit mantissa should give 1.25 m resolution if my headcounting is about right. Thats about 4 ns. Royal kludge indeed. Cheers Magnus Originalmeddelande Från: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com Datum: Till: time-nuts@febo.com Rubrik: [time-nuts] GPS position survey