A few weeks back I started a discussion on the demise of LORAN C. It was
quite a long discussion and spawned several others.
I will indeed miss LORAN C as a frequency reference for several reasons. It
was very good more stable then wwvb on the east coast.
And for 10 years I have had 3 austron 2100
Hi Paul:
Austron made a simulator, see:
http://www.prc68.com/I/A2042.shtml
Click on photos to see larger images.
If anyone has any documentation on this unit please let me know.
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
paul swed wrote:
A few weeks back I started a discussion on the
Brook no info on it. What I worked on is a solution for those of us that
have austrons and no simulators to feed them.
I suspect they might be hard to come by.
Regard
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote:
Hi Paul:
Austron made a simulator, see:
Hi Paul:
The 2042 will give you an idea of what features you might want to
include, that's why I added larger photos. In addition the European
Loran chains have GRI values that are is smaller steps than the US
chains. I'd like to know more about your simulator.
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
Hi Brooke,
I'm on the east coast w/ nothing but ocean between me and Europe. I have
some vague hopes my Austron might be able to lock onto a chain there,
perhaps with a bigger loop.
Do you have a link to their GRIs handy? I've not searched as yet.
Thanks,
-Jhn
===
Hi Paul:
In message 2667.12.6.201.51.1260307507.squir...@popaccts.quik.com, J. Forste
r writes:
Do you have a link to their GRIs handy? I've not searched as yet.
6731, 7499, 7001 and 9007.
The last one is probably your best bet, as it has its master on
the Faroyr Islands.
--
Poul-Henning Kamp |
Hello Paul,
I have just been to the British National Physical Laboratory's
bi-annual Time and Frequency meeting in London, and gained the
strong impression that LORAN was far from dead. Apparently there was
a meeting in Prague recently, with Britain, France, and Norway all
behind eLoran,
Thanks Peter,
I will hope that it evolves to eloran but for .0002% of the budget we will
shut it down.
That said if you want to use your Austrons in North America I have an answer
for you.
There is the suggestion of at least on the eastcoast using Europe. But thats
skywave and my research
I just received this good news from Poul-Henning Kamp:
=
If you want the GRIs in microseconds, add a zero:
67310, 74990, 70010 and 90070
My 2100F had no issues with them.
=
That's great news for me, if the signal is strong enough.
-John
=
Thanks Peter,
Hmmm I tried that on my 2100f to see if I could get skywave Europe LORAN.
May have to try it again.
Thanks for the tip.
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:52 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:
I just received this good news from Poul-Henning Kamp:
=
If you want the GRIs in microseconds, add a
Anyone know about the LORAN-C Monitor, part of the Austron System 5000?
Anyone want it? Two digital displays and a rectangular scope.
Bill Hawkins
___
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to
Sounds neat if no one else is interested I would be.
But I may find out its 200 lbs. :-)
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net wrote:
Anyone know about the LORAN-C Monitor, part of the Austron System 5000?
Anyone want it? Two digital displays and a rectangular scope.
In message 4b130e24.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes:
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
That particular aspect have been in deep investigation, and so has the
M-codes. Their similarity in strength and code separation make the
effect less than the gain you get. The BOC code aids to
(maybe two orders
of magnitude ?) than common literature would suggest is possible. Something
to do when I retire (:
- Original Message
From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 12:35:50 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C
Mark Spencer wrote:
Yep... There is some room for experimenation. As an example looking at some
of the results reported from the ARRL Frequency measuring test, it seems that
some of the participants are able to determine the frequencies of HF signals
progated via sky waves with an accuracy
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 4b130e24.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes:
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
That particular aspect have been in deep investigation, and so has the
M-codes. Their similarity in strength and code separation make the
effect less than the gain you
, November 28, 2009 2:47:55 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C demise
Hi
Some of us have been trying to get the telcom OEM's to embrace a backup for
GPS. There are a number of possible things they could do at various points in
their networks. Different companies have pushed different approaches for many
How about the Volunteer Association of GPS Backup for Timing, VAGBT ?
Propose of the group is to provide backup distribution of timing information
for GPS users, via armature radio and cesium clocks. To develop many local
transmit stations as possible and low cost receivers with both extended
Any thoughts on how complex a receiver would need to be to produce a 1 pps
signal that was locked to the carrier frequency it was receiving ? Lot#39;s of
comercial transmitting equipment is designed to use an external frequency
standard and if a transmitter at a high altitude site was locked to
Hi guys,
Are there any manufacturers that currently produce LORAN receivers? I
talked to a pilot friend who is very active in my area and he said he is
only aware of one person he knows that has a LORAN receiver in his aircraft
and the guy doesn't use it. None of my other pilot buddies seem to
On 11/29/09 11:40 AM, Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote:
Any thoughts on how complex a receiver would need to be to produce a 1 pps
signal that was locked to the carrier frequency it was receiving ? Lot#39;s
of comercial transmitting equipment is designed to use an external
The main difference is that receiving lf signals is challenging in many areas
built up areas and the doppler shift of hf via sky wave reduces the accuracy
considerably, while there are already a large number of exisiting high power
transmitters that can be locked to an external time base and
Looking at the vhf/UHF ham repeater as a model, it is possible to get
government and commercial cooperation but this is often with the assistance of
a insider. A ham that is also the station engineer for example. My idea was to
end run the government and commercial interest with the idea that
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:25:06PM -0800, Mark Spencer wrote:
The main difference is that receiving lf signals is challenging in
many areas built up areas and the doppler shift of hf via sky wave
reduces the accuracy considerably, while there are already a large
number of exisiting high power
Hi,
Well, most of this discussion is about GPS backup. The GLONASS system has
received global coverage (again) for navigation. Timing is less demanding
if we consider the static and known position case. In some years we will
have Galileo (Euro) and Compass (China). Perhaps also regional Japanese
Stanley Reynolds wrote:
It is clear that the government and commercial interest made a decision about GPS backup by not developing or using loran or other systems. The question is if the GPS signal stops as the loran signal will what will I check my standards with ? By stopping I mean a system
David I. Emery wrote:
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:25:06PM -0800, Mark Spencer wrote:
The main difference is that receiving lf signals is challenging in
many areas built up areas and the doppler shift of hf via sky wave
reduces the accuracy considerably, while there are already a large
number of
b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
Hi,
Well, most of this discussion is about GPS backup. The GLONASS system has
received global coverage (again) for navigation. Timing is less demanding
if we consider the static and known position case. In some years we will
have Galileo (Euro) and Compass (China).
In message 4b130050.1050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes:
b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5 jammers is off the shelf. Not particular
efficient, not to speak of L3 and L4 being of no significant use.
Not to mention the fact that there is a good probability that
GPS
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 4b130050.1050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes:
b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5 jammers is off the shelf. Not particular
efficient, not to speak of L3 and L4 being of no significant use.
Not to mention the fact that there
In message 4b130050.1050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson
writes:
b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5 jammers is off the shelf. Not particular
efficient, not to speak of L3 and L4 being of no significant use.
Not to mention the fact that there is a good probability that
b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
In message 4b130050.1050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson
writes:
b...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
L1, L2, L3, L4 and L5 jammers is off the shelf. Not particular
efficient, not to speak of L3 and L4 being of no significant use.
Not to mention the fact that there is
Given the confusing and seemingly ambiguous infomation on the .gov site, a
clearer picture is given by this announcement:
http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/news/coast-guard-jettisons-loran-9178
excerpted below:
Coast Guard Jettisons Loran
November 25, 2009
--
The
There are on-line petition sites where people can sign on to support a
particular cause. Has anyone started such a petition to save LORAN?
I've not seen one.
Best,
-John
==
Given the confusing and seemingly ambiguous infomation on the .gov site, a
clearer picture is given by
Time and frequency measurement people were specifically
exclude from the polls I have seen to determine whether
or not Loran should continue. They only wanted navigation
users input... and I guess there weren't any.
-Chuck
J. Forster wrote:
There are on-line petition sites where people can
My impression is that significant stake-holders (e.g. Telecom service
providers, ILECs, AOPA, National Laboratories, FAA, NIST, DHS, CG, and
others) were unwilling - at an institutional level - to embrace or own any
aspect of LORAN preservation and unable - at an individual level - to
influence
Hi
Some of us have been trying to get the telcom OEM's to embrace a backup for
GPS. There are a number of possible things they could do at various points in
their networks. Different companies have pushed different approaches for many
years. In all cases the response has been the carriers
Well that surely is pretty clear.
Now will DHS sign off I suspect yes
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:09 PM, ken hartman kdhart...@gmail.com wrote:
Given the confusing and seemingly ambiguous infomation on the .gov site, a
clearer picture is given by this announcement:
Here is the ALCOAST COMMANDANT NOTE:
675/09 LONG RANGE NAVIGATION (LORAN-C) TERMINATION 11/25/2009
http://www.uscg.mil/ANNOUNCEMENTS/
(apology in advance, if this was already posted.)
___
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go
Does anyone know if there is any organized attempt to save LORAN?
-Eric
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Joe Geller joegel...@roadrunner.com wrote:
The Coast Guard has always been stretched very thin with limited resources
for many missions. The saying was, every year we do more and more with
AOPA
-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Eric Garner
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:44 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
Does anyone know
The Coast Guard has always been stretched very thin with limited resources
for many missions. The saying was, every year we do more and more with less
and less.
I served in the late 70s as an electronics technician, EE, and later after Navy
flight school, flying air rescue into the 80s.
I
Thanks John...
It was pre my usual caffine intake...
Dave G0WBX.
-Original Message-
From: J. Forster j...@quik.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
Hyperbolic, not parabolic.
-John
Someone may correct me on this.
But isn't Loran a parabolic
November 2009 01:38
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
Also, somebody mentioned French chains. Any info on those would be
appreciated. They might worl, especially on the east coast.
-John
==
Hello !
Before you throw away
to be corrected on this. I may be thinking of another
system of course.
Regards.
Dave G0WBX.
-Original Message-
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:44:27 -0500
From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Antonio,
I ran into that last night.
So much for an easy test.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM, asma...@fc.up.pt wrote:
The problem with the some European chains is that they have four-digit
GRPs . Therefore, the standard 2000C and maybe others are useless.
Regards,
Antonio
CT1TE
with the timings, multi hop and
all that.
As above, I stand to be corrected on this. I may be thinking of another
system of course.
Regards.
Dave G0WBX.
-Original Message-
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:44:27 -0500
From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
-and-non-gnss-positions for info.
Rob Kimberley
-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: 11 November 2009 01:38
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C
: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
Also, somebody mentioned French chains. Any info on those would be
appreciated. They might worl, especially on the east coast.
-John
==
Hello !
Before you throw away your Loran Receivers, have you checked what will
happen with the Canadian
] On
Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: 11 November 2009 01:38
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
Also, somebody mentioned French chains. Any info on those would be
appreciated. They might worl, especially on the east coast.
-John
Hi Alan, I hope so. Peter Vince is coming.
Rob
-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Melia
Sent: 11 November 2009 20:10
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran C shutdown
/09, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote:
From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Date: Monday, 9 November, 2009, 23:06
Don't overlook that laser/fiber ring-gyros
In a message dated 09/11/2009 23:24:27 GMT Standard Time,
alan.me...@btinternet.com writes:
There is a system in the UK that already does that and used digital TV as
well I believe. The accurate nav is only really needed in coastal water and
the phones cover most of those. Ain't many trees
On the other hand... With GPS-aiding its argued that high performance
INS-systems are not needed. The same performance will be reached with a
low cost GPS and a mid to low performance inertial system. So I doubt we
will have low cost high performance intertial sensors anytime soon.
--
Björn
...@lysator.liu.se wrote:
From: b...@lysator.liu.se b...@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 19:29
On the other hand... With GPS-aiding its argued that high performance
INS
...@lysator.liu.se b...@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 19:29
On the other hand... With GPS-aiding its argued that high performance
INS-systems are not needed
In message 2455.41.130.184.218.1257890017.squir...@webmail.lysator.liu.se, bg
@lysator.liu.se writes:
High performance mechanical rotating gyros are associated with platform
systems. Ring laser gyros and fiber optic gyros are typically strapdown,
which completely dominate modern navigation.
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
In message 2455.41.130.184.218.1257890017.squir...@webmail.lysator.liu.se, bg
@lysator.liu.se writes:
High performance mechanical rotating gyros are associated with platform
systems. Ring laser gyros and fiber optic gyros are typically strapdown,
which completely
Hello !
Before you throw away your Loran Receivers, have you checked what will
happen with the Canadian Transmitter Chains ?
Would it be possible with better antennas to receive signals from other
countries ?
Would be interested in hearing your input on these ideas !
Thanks !
Claude
Also, somebody mentioned French chains. Any info on those would be
appreciated. They might worl, especially on the east coast.
-John
==
Hello !
Before you throw away your Loran Receivers, have you checked what will
happen with the Canadian Transmitter Chains ?
Would it be
Is Loran C used with GPS to help make land surveying more accurate?
I thought I read something about using both systems together.
---
This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may
Well that's what I am thinking about also.
Earlier in this thread there was a mention of Europe.
This would be a sky wave only signal as I recall from the navy.
So I have g3plx LORAN software and will look to see what I might get here on
the east coast.
Suspect the Canadian chains will go very
The problem with the some European chains is that they have four-digit
GRPs . Therefore, the standard 2000C and maybe others are useless.
Regards,
Antonio
CT1TE
Quoting paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com:
Well that's what I am thinking about also.
Earlier in this thread there was a mention of
In message
2455.41.130.184.218.1257890017.squir...@webmail.lysator.liu.se, bg
@lysator.liu.se writes:
High performance mechanical rotating gyros are associated with platform
systems. Ring laser gyros and fiber optic gyros are typically strapdown,
which completely dominate modern navigation.
Alan
Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I changed the header
I finally found it in the senate votes this weekend.
The house and senate voted to shut it down and the president signed it.
(We will save .2% of the budget)
The USCG and DHS said they had no need.
It was very hard
Hi:
It's here:
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/Loran/default.htm
under:
The Operating Status of LORAN-C
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.prc68.com
paul swed wrote:
Alan
Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I changed the header
I finally found it in the senate votes this weekend.
Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any?
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan
Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I changed the header
I finally found it in the senate votes this weekend.
The house and senate
The Congress is UTTERLY CLUELESS. It's supposed to shut down Jan 4, 2010.
See:
http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/Homeland_Security_FY10_Conference.pdf
-John
===
Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any?
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, paul swed
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation
becomes unreliable or unavailable ?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:
The Congress is UTTERLY CLUELESS. It's supposed to shut down Jan 4, 2010.
See:
There can be life for many Loran C receivers. They can be used as a high
resolution comparator with a Loran C simulator that could be made with a few
components and a PIC. Bert Kehren
In a message dated 11/9/2009 5:11:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rdarling...@gmail.com writes:
Anybody
I believe sextant
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote:
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation
becomes unreliable or unavailable ?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:
The Congress is UTTERLY CLUELESS.
Eric Garner wrote:
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation
becomes unreliable or unavailable ?
But that doesn't happend, right? *ironic tone*
With eLoran modernisation, there would be some chance of survival, but
obviously focus is on stripping down the suit if it
My impression is eLORAN is off the table. Since DHS is letting it go also.
Sextant, compass, and a good chronometer.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org
wrote:
Eric Garner wrote:
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation
rdarling...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any?
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, paul swed
-
From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com
To: Time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:01 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
Alan
Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I changed the header
I finally found it in the senate votes this weekend.
The house
On 11/9/09 2:43 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe sextant
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote:
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation
becomes unreliable or unavailable ?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, J.
Dead Reckoning ??
- Original Message -
From: Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when
.
-Original Message-
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Eric Garner
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:26 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
So what are ships/planes supposed
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation
becomes unreliable or unavailable ?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote:
The Congress is UTTERLY
In message b3bd5fcb0911091410qb5a8846y9ea09caa32003...@mail.gmail.com, Robert
Darlington writes:
Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any?
You should complain, I built one from scratch:
http://phk.freebsd.dk/AducLoran/AducLoran-0.3.pdf
:-)
--
Poul-Henning Kamp
That old Carousel IV buried in the back of my garage my someday
have a use again
-pete
Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any?
-Bob
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan
Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I
: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Eric Garner
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:26 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation
Don't overlook that laser/fiber ring-gyros will drop in price the
patents expire and the predatory pricing ends:
http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/mk39/assets/mk39.pdf
As much as I have enjoyed playing with Loran-C, I would far rather
have a shoebox-sized, totally autonomous
drilling
platforms :-))
Alan G3NYK
- Original Message -
From: Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com
To: les...@veenstras.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
The tree reference is for nav in forest or jungle canopy areas. A very few
trees will largely kill GPS. LORAN does not care. I have that exact
problem.
-John
There is a system in the UK that already does that and used digital TV as
well I believe. The accurate nav is only really
Hi all;
I guess this is change we can believe in!
Rich
___
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.
Unfortunatly very few commercial aircraft carry Loran C equipment. The large
ones would fall back on inertial navigation.
Robert G8RPI.
--- On Mon, 9/11/09, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown
To: Discussion
Magnus Danielson wrote:
So far:
UTC based: France, Sweden
GMT based (UT1?): Great Brittian, Denmark
I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC
based, but I do not know for sure.
Norway is UTC-based as of 2008-01-01.
The law on units, measurements and standard
Hei Magne!
Magne Mæhre wrote:
Magnus Danielson wrote:
So far:
UTC based: France, Sweden
GMT based (UT1?): Great Brittian, Denmark
I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC
based, but I do not know for sure.
Norway is UTC-based as of 2008-01-01.
Jim Palfreyman skrev:
In Australia, each state or territory defines its own time. I've scanned the
Australian legal database and found bills for all states and territories
defining time relative to UTC.
So you can put the whole of Australia definitely in the UTC pile.
OK, thanks Jim.
Magnus,
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:16:10 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote:
the legal time for Germany (done via DCF77) , as defined in the
german 'Zeitgesetz' as summarized here:
http: //www.ptb.de/de/org/4/44/441/dars.htm
English version is on
http://www.ptb.de/en/org/4/44/441/_index.htm
Thank
Arnold,
Arnold Tibus skrev:
Magnus,
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:16:10 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote:
the legal time for Germany (done via DCF77) , as defined in the
german 'Zeitgesetz' as summarized here:
http: //www.ptb.de/de/org/4/44/441/dars.htm
English version is on
In message 49c17d52.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes:
Last time I checked, Gudhjem is the home of 777 soles.
I doubt that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_(fish)
It is a bit humours that the Danish translation of the EC Directive on
summer-time shifts defines the shifts
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of M. Warner Losh
Sent: 19 March 2009 00:20
To: time-nuts@febo.com; mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks
In message: 49c17d52.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org
Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes:
: I am still
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:04:51 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote:
Arnold,
To remove another questionmark partly:
I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC
based, but I do not know for sure.
The german time is fixed by law to MEZ=CET, the Central European
Time,
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev:
In message 49c17d52.6050...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes:
Last time I checked, Gudhjem is the home of 777 soles.
I doubt that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_(fish)
You should complain on my spelling... I knew something was fishy...
I naturally
Arnold Tibus skrev:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:04:51 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote:
Arnold,
To remove another questionmark partly:
I suspect several countries (such as US, Germany etc. etc) to be UTC
based, but I do not know for sure.
The german time is fixed by law to MEZ=CET, the
In Australia, each state or territory defines its own time. I've scanned the
Australian legal database and found bills for all states and territories
defining time relative to UTC.
So you can put the whole of Australia definitely in the UTC pile.
Jim
2009/3/18 Magnus Danielson
Arnold,
Arnold Tibus skrev:
Magnus and all,
interestlingly the discussion about GMT seem to be a never ending
story, all over the world. As I know GMT was already renamed in
the year 1925 ( or 1928 acc. other source ) to UT and
universal time coordinated (U T C) (that) is standard
- Original Message -
From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks
Arnold,
Arnold Tibus skrev:
Magnus and all
301 - 400 of 496 matches
Mail list logo
