Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-21 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 19/06/2009 15:42:15 GMT Daylight Time, optoma...@rogers.com writes: I was thinking that if I injected a signal with a known waveform I could follow it around the amplification circuits and such. My only real need is to create something that does not appear to already b

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Gary Chatters
Patrick wrote: Thanks John With regard to frequency and price, low frequency is fine for me and I am hoping to buy something for < $250-Patrick The HP 3336 (A,B,C) is similar to the 3325 but somewhat lesser capabilities and can be a bit cheaper. There is one on eBay "in working condition"

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Patrick: There are a bunch of signal sources that could be used. The rack sized HP signal generators that weigh 50+ pounds were designed to have very low phase noise and although now many years old are still very good for that. The HP 3325() is the only signal generator that has adjustable

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Chuck Harris
Robert Darlington wrote: As John Miles said, no HP signal generator should produce a distorted output at low level. My Tektronix does! It depends on how they lower the signal level. If the signal level is lowered using a traditional attenuator, the distortion will be unchanged, but if the si

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Robert Darlington
Patrick, Using a large fixed attenuator should work fine. I learned the attenuator trick when dealing with some variable gain amp chips from Analog. Instead of varying the gain, they run at some fixed level that produces a clean output, and vary the attenuation level to prevent non-linear effect

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Pete
Patrick, If signal tracing in a "mystery" circuit is important, I would look for a generator with external FM input. This feature is common in upscale units. Using a basic audio function generator on the FM input, you can supply 2 tone FM, switching at 1 or 2Hz which is easy to identify in the

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Stan W1LE
Hello Pat, Ebay could be your friend in locating a signal generator, as well as researching availability and pricing. My perspective is that Ebay is the big flea market in the ether and you do not know what you got, till you get it on your test bench and exercise it. Bid accordingly, most d

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I took a look at the phase noise of a 3325B and as Jim said, the phase noise is not great -- about -60 dBc at 1 Hz offset. An external reference cleans up the close in (<10 Hz) signal, but beyond about 10 Hz the synthesizer noice drowns out the reference; from the noise from 10 Hz to about 3 k

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Patrick
Hi James Thanks for your feedback on this. My needs are probably very privative compared to those of the people on this list. I service a lot of the time without a schematic so I spend a lot of time figuring out how the circuit works. I was thinking that if I injected a signal with a known wa

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Lux, James P
On 6/19/09 6:38 AM, "optoma...@rogers.com" wrote: > Hey Robert > > Great tip about the attenuator. > > I looked up some models on the internet and some look fairly expensive. > I know that I will always be injecting low voltage signals, do you think > it would be wise to buy a cheaper fixed

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Lux, James P
We use a lot of 3325As in the lab at JPL (they used to have dozens of them at the deep space network, so there are lots of them around). Some have the rear panel option that puts out a sine wave up to 60MHz, which is fairly convenient. The settability with lots o' digits is nice (that's why they

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Lux, James P
How accurate? What frequency range? What spectral performance (harmonics, spurs)? One thing to watch out for on testing with very low level signals is leakage out of the signal generator and into the unit under test via a path other than the coax. When we test deep space transponders at work at

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread John Miles
9, 2009 6:39 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator? > > > Hey Robert > > Great tip about the attenuator. > > I looked up some models on the internet and some look fairly expensive. > I know t

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread optomatic
Hey Robert Great tip about the attenuator. I looked up some models on the internet and some look fairly expensive. I know that I will always be injecting low voltage signals, do you think it would be wise to buy a cheaper fixed attenuator, let's say 20dB?, and then just depend on the variable

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Robert Darlington
I just bought an HP 3325A synthesizer/function generator that I really like (for some things anyway) in about that price range. What you get is probably dependent on what YOU need though. This thing is pretty limited but this particular one has the high voltage option so the output goes up to 40

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Patrick
Thanks John With regard to frequency and price, low frequency is fine for me and I am hoping to buy something for < $250-Patrick John Miles wrote: > Budget? Freq range? > > HP 8657As are good general-purpose SGs. Reliable, serviceable, and > reasonably clean. Avoid 8656s and 8660s IMHO unless

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread John Miles
Budget? Freq range? HP 8657As are good general-purpose SGs. Reliable, serviceable, and reasonably clean. Avoid 8656s and 8660s IMHO unless you can get one for next to nothing. If you don't mind getting your hands dirty there have been some inexpensive 8662As on the surplus market lately. They

[time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Patrick
Hey everyone Sorry for the off topic post. I have received great advice in the past with items for my little shop and I can't resist to ask again. I am thinking about buying a signal generator. I suspect that I will mostly use it to inject low uV/mV signals into the amplification stages of the la